Chad Ford: Salmons to Bucks for Kurt Thomas & Francisco Elson
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UPDATE: So far all that seems to be agreed upon is Salmons to the Bucks. The expiring platter coming back is yet to be determined -ed.
From the Fanshots. The Bulls doing the right thing here. They needed to preserve 2010 cap space. They needed to stay under the luxury tax this season. And, it possible, help themselves on the court.
Not so sure on that last one, but they do need bigs with Noah out for a potentially long time, and they always have until tomorrow's deadline to make more moves.
Oh, and Bulls won tonight. -ed.]
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the biggest question?
will VDN call thomas kurt or kirk
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Feb 17, 2010 8:12 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Have to give Sue credit
The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999
by nateroth on Feb 17, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hoping that will not be a question
Because we might instead get Joe Alexander and Hakim Warrick
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2010 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
in all seriousness though
good deal by the bulls; both are expiring, kirk thomas can play a little bit, and hopefully devin brown and james johnson can take salmons minutes without too big a fall off. this was a deal we had to make, and even though we can now offer a max deal, id still like to see kurt go for expirings if that deal is out there.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Little move but it's good
Now if they can make a couple more moves like last year. Move Kirt and Thomas and proceed this summer
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Feb 17, 2010 8:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
They just got Kirt Thomas...
Do you think this deal will turn into a three-way or do you want him shipped out immediately (ala Gooden in Washington)
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I say keep him
With Noah hurt he can play some minutes
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Feb 17, 2010 10:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Confused
I thought you wanted him to be moved.
Now if they can make a couple more moves like last year. Move Kirt and Thomas and proceed this summer
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he means Kirt hinrich and tyrus Thomas?
This is gonna be hell. I think pax made this trade just to screw with us.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 17, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I was playing the mess with Hinrichs
Name game. Thomas we should keep
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- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Feb 18, 2010 7:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nice move
Maybe there is one more in the works?
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
really?
he’s the one that can play a bit (I thought)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
And resign with the Bucks for a playoff run
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- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Feb 17, 2010 9:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If they don't trade Tyrus Thomas now, I might effin' kill somebody.
They will be deliberately trying to ruin him at that point.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Too strong of words. I'm not going to kill anyone, obviously.
But I’ll be angry.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
what does it matter now?
the Bulls don’t owe making themselves worse just so Tyrus can get playing time. They’ve been ruining him for his whole career (with his help), the next 30 games won’t make much of a difference.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
we can get value from a draft pick
since we will lose him anyways?
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
It would only matter if they could get a second round pick or something for him
I wanted to say late 1st round, but that seems like a pipedream.
Anyway, he is an expiring deal that can play a little, so it wouldn’t be crazy to think they could nab a pick or something that would have some value after this season.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
He's actually "played within himself" this past 3 games.
His PER is 16.7 and his TS% is now the 3rd highest on the team. He’s been on fire.
They just got enough front court depth. They just traded away one of their three players that can play competently at guard. They’d make themselves better by trading Thomas for a guard instead of playing him 10-15 mpg.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's true too
Logically, I’m very OK with the Bulls missing the playoffs this season, but I hate the idea of watching Pargo and Brown out there. Actually, I’m not all that happy watching Kirk either.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
It matters if we get a draft pick out of it
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Feb 17, 2010 9:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if theres one thing i like about this move,
is that it gives them the flexibility to keep TT if we get a shooting guard in free agency. If there’s one thing that the past three games has said about TT is that he can bury a hachet. I think VDN is taking TT’s acceptance of his discipline to mean he’s being professional about it and can work with him going forward.
If we get Bosh, then you can let TT go or sign and trade him.
What?
Seriously, what?
The Bulls are not keeping TT…they have been shopping him all season…and frankly, he has not shown on the court that he is worth keeping…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Getting anyone in free agency involves renouncing the right to resign TT
Unless we decide to settle for JJ Redick… which some people actually seem to be advocating.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 17, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
@CSheridanESPN Source says Bulls-Bucks trade could be “expanded” Thursday, but bottom line for Salmons will still be starting SG gig in Brewtown
What does that mean?
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
8 team trade! Let's do it!
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Rose for Jennings
to cement the deal
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 17, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
I just puked all over my bed
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by WalmartSecurity on Feb 17, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Tyrus will be included for a pick or something
And then he can lead the Bucks to a playoff spot over the Bulls.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
There was an earlier report about Tyrus offers.
It said Denver, I believe, was offering expiring + 1st rounder for Tyrus but the Bulls wanted somebody who could play right now I think?
If the Bulls can get a first rounder (even late first rounder) in exchange for injured expirings and Thomas, I think that’s worth it at this point.
It’s not like he’s played minutes to justify holding onto him over a 1st rounder pick to this point anyways.
Tyrus' dream is being traded to another team
and finding out he’s going to be coached by Skiles again is his worst nightmare.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
i was wondering how what they've announced so far could be it...bulls dont have enough roster spots for a 2-for-1
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
But what is this talk about Rockets/Bulls/Kings deal that sends McGrady to Bulls?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-mcgradyhouston021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
and since the Bucks deal hasn’t been finalized/announced…do they wanna consider this?
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Yea, that's linked in YFBB's post. Interesting. And by "interesting"
I mean, what the fuck is going on?!!
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. That trade makes no sense.
The Rockets didn’t want Kirk, Salmons and Tyrus but they DO want Nocioni and Udrih. What?! Sacramento would be doing backflips if this trade went through. I just don’t see why the Rockets take on that salary and those many years. Both are on for 2 more years after this whereas Salmons was only one and Kirk was the same as Nocioni. Plus they would’ve had Tyrus! Makes no sense unless the pick Sacramento is giving up has limited protection on it.
Maybe because scola and noc are brothers?
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by J Theory on Feb 17, 2010 10:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why try to save more money and get cap space?.
Is there really a chance that we can sign two FAs and one being better than Kirk or Tyrus.. Not really. Team got good chemistry. Lose Miller, Pargo and all the dead wood, then sign LeBron (the dancing diva) , Bosh (the hick from OKC), Wade (South Side pride) OR (Johnson with another grade B FA). You have a contender..
i agree with this.
as of now, we got more cap space to bring in a max free agent this summer, as well as got a big in case noah is out for a while. at the same time, we have a team that will still make the playoffs this year. mission accomplished.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Let me just say
WOOOOOO!! Gar made a move, and a good one. Maybe the Summer 2010 Plan does exist after all.
by YaoPau on Feb 17, 2010 9:22 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Maybe Gar exists?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Schanoski said Rockets wanted Taj Gibson.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Why would we give up anything of real value fro McGrady if we can move Salmons?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Only to keep the Knicks from freeing cap space
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
seriously who would pick the knicks over the Bulls?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
hopefully not Lebron and Bosh
i think if the Cavs win it, Lebron’s staying and they won’t be able to get Bosh outside of a sign and trade that would probably be crap for Toronto. and if Amare goes to Mia and is a good fit, that takes them out of the Bosh picture.
so we win by default!
unless the Knicks get Lebron and Bosh.
Why would the Rockets trade McGrady for anything other than value?
He is like the Houston version of Tyrus Thomas…he expires in the offseason, so unless there is value returning (in the case of the Bulls, draft picks), why would they trade him?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Which is why a Rockets-Bulls trade really doesn't make sense
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Tyrus is of value
Rockets were trying to take advantage of perceived desperation by demanding more than just one good player.
Well, if you try too hard to screw people in trades, there ends up being no trade at all.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
In terms of value...
Tyrus = Tmac. Each is an expiring contract, and there is no motivation for either team to trade them unless they get something in return (draft picks for the Bulls or players for the Rockets)
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
except
tyrus is on the court and mcgrady isnt? even if neither team has a chance of getting out of the first round, wins and playing well still bring in some revenue right?
by Sambossanova on Feb 17, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Rockets are lacking size and athleticism. Plus they could either let Tyrus go, or resign him after the season depending on how he worked out. Tyrus is definitely an upgrade over Tmac for them who definitely wasn’t coming back.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I think you guys missed my point...
Tyrus is not in the Bulls’ future plans and TMAC is not in the Rockets future plans, both teams will let them walk away for nothing this Summer…so trading either for just cap space is a wash…
Both teams should be demanding something of value in a trade for them, otherwise, they could just let their contracts expire…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
How could I miss your point?
My last post just explained exactly why I disagreed, and Tyrus is something of value for the Rockets. He’s worth more to them than Tmac, and helps them this year, and possibly in future years if things work out. Therefore it’s not a wash from their perspective.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
So...
You think Tyrus would be of value to the Rockets?
Do you not think TMAC would be of value to the Bulls?
I was speaking of the value of the players to their own team, specifically regarding what they are seeking in trades for those players…ie. talent and draft picks.
I am saying that it makes no sense for either team to trade that player for an expiring contract, because that player is in essence, an expiring contract to their own team…
Now if you want to discuss the merits of trading TMAC for Tyrus, and that is an entirely different issue…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
That's why there are reports of a three way ;)
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
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by J Theory on Feb 17, 2010 10:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not Taj!
Although, I have to say he looked OK against the Knicks
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Good start.
Takes care of our minimum requirements at the deadline. I’d put the Bulls at a C+ to a B- if this is all that happens.
Now it’s time to go after what is out there: value. It may be value in freeing up more cap space (hell, that’s likely) or something massive in instant value such as Amare. We’ll see what tomorrow brings.
I’m optimistic about a potential McGrady trade, if only to clear out the non Deng remaining bad contracts for the summer.
The only non-deng remaining bad contract is hinrich at this point.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 17, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Um...
Jerome James is a pretty bad contract…
For that matter, so is James Johnson, but at least he only has one more season guaranteed.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
He is still getting paid not to play...
but you are right, as an expiring, it has value.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Link?
I have never seen this confirmed by any reputable NBA source.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Huh?
James Johnson is on a low salary rookie deal. He’s not affected that much cap space. We could have a lot worse contracts. Jerome James is expiring anyway so how does he even count in the discussion of bad contracts?
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Really...
You think the 4th highest player on the team, at $6.6M (more than BG ever made in one season as Bull) who has not played a single minute is a good allocation of resources in a league with a salary cap? I agree that there is value as an expiring, but that is a terrible contract…
At this point, James Johnson has played like D-Leaguer…and he is guaranteed $1.7M next season…not a huge hit, but he has been a bad basketball player…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
That's not the point D 2.0
nobody ever expected Jerome James to play. He is only here for his expiring contract. He’s an asset for business reasons. That would be like complaining about whatever Kurt Thomas or Elson makes when they are only being acquired for their contracts. It would only be bad for us if he was still on the books past this year. I’ll give you Johnson has been bad, but it’s not enough money to be a real issue and it’s possible he may improve since he is a rookie afterall.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I get your point...
But I don’t entirely agree with it…just because the expectations are that the player is not going to contribute does not make the contract good one…its only “good”, in that it is favorable from a business perspective of being used as an expiring deal to acquire additional talent. My point, is that in a salary cap league, there is very little basketball value in having 11% of your salary cap wrapped up in someone who will not play…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Sure it's a bad contract
in a real sense because he’s not playing and he actually sucks even if he was, but we all know what it’s for so I don’t see it that way. If he was expected to play, like say Pargo was, then I would complain about it. I mean in all reality Brad Miller probaly has the worst contract on the team because he’s the highest paid and probably the 7th most productive guy on the team.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I guess it's a bad contract
But it’s coming off the books at the end of this year anyways, so we don’t need to make any trades to get rid of him.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 17, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
nice
You think Bulls could get rid of Hinrich too
Bulls trade Hinrich, Brad Miller, Jerome James and first round pick
for TMac, David Anderson and Houston’s first round pick
Houston
wouldn’t do that even without giving up a first round pick. They don’t want Hinrich at all.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I think we should hold off more trades now
We did what we had to do: get enough cap space for a max free agent and bring in a big for noah insurance. We have a team that can make the playoffs this year and make a major free agent splash to take the next step next year. I think we’re good.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
don't you think
we need to get a SG though….you want pargo to be backup?? thats why i think the bulls may go after McGrady still with tyrus/miller??
What about a Knicks trade?
Harrington and Nate Robinson? Ty Thomas, Jerome James, and Pargo.
They are trying to trade for him
But nothing final. Unless it just happened 5 minutes ago. But as I wrote below. I think he only agrees to a trade to LA or Boston.
Not true
Nate wants to get the hell out of there. They will not keep him and he is not wanted there. He has a bad relationship with Dantoni. He wants to be moved, they want him moved. I think that is a great trade for the Bulls. Taj is not good enough to start, Harrington is much better. Nate and Al would make Bulls a playoff team. trade two players who get no playing time and one worthless player for two good players in Nate and Harrington.
This is all moot
because Nate is going to Boston for House and Giddens. It’s not finalized, but it’s been agreed to by both teams.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
What does that mean to you?
That both teams are going to all of a sudden change their minds even though they have an agreement, and that the Bulls are going to show interest in a player they havent until this point? Finalized just means all the paperwork has been filed and it’s been agreed to by the NBA. It’s a technicality.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Hinrich is doing fine as a starting SG. We traded for Devin Brown for this specific reason. He needs to step it up now.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I agree Kirk is a good SG and I think he stays
Even though many a BAB will be pissed. But I think Harrington and Robinson give the Bulls the added scoring that they need. Especially Robinson off the bench. Better spark plug than Pargo or Brown. But I just remembered reading somewhere that he only wants to go to Boston or LA. And he has a no trade clause. I think if the T-Mac trade doesn’t go through you’ll see Al Harrington and Tyrus Thomas change teams.
robinson to boston is getting finalized tomorrow. and i think the bulls may just keep tyrus until the end of the year because of the noah situation.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I still think a Shooting Guard was supposed to be good at making shots
And that is not Kirk’s case
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 6:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bucks are looking good for a playoff run
They get Salmons, and Gooden will be bought out by the Clippers to sign with the Bucks.
Gooden is an upgrade at PF to old Kurt Thomas, so they’ve managed to upgrade both SG and PF.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Im rooting for the Bucks to make the playoffs, so long as it doesnt keep the Bulls out. I'd like Salmons to be on a good team. Hopefully this will get him going, just like getting traded to us last year did.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I certainly haven't
I’m rooting for the Bucks to miss the playoffs.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
not really a Salmons thing, personally
I always prefer guys we trade to go to good situations. i mean honestly, better there than the nets or knicks.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Another update
@STEIN_LINE_HQ Sources say Knicks remain interested in both T-Mac trade AND dealing Al Harrington to Chicago for Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
I think we're better off with Tyrus.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Best trade would be to get a first rounder for Tyrus
Because he is gone after this year. Bulls will not offer him a QO because they want max cap space.
ditto
i like what i saw from tyrus today, and taj is a decent backup, hell i dont care which one of them starts so long as they get good minutes, both should just share the position at 24 minutes each, maybe if one is doing substantially better than the other you give him (for that game) more minutes, kinda liked the rotation tonight and im hoping it wasnt just upping the value of tyrus.
But i would rather have chris bosh, so if you can get a guy who is a real decent option at sg i say you give up tyrus, for instance tmac, if it turns out he is healthy enough to start and play for most of this years games, id trade tyrus…
this trade with salmons shouldve came earlier, cuz right now we have a pretty flexible roster in terms of trading, the bulls can definetly make some more moves by tomaro….i hope they do…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I don't really agree with a straight split of minutes
They have shown they can play some productive minutes together.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Why trade Tyrus for Al?
Yeah, Al can play some 3, but I think having Tyrus in a sign and trade over the summer is much for valuable.
And while Kirk is OK at the two. If our targets are Wade → Johnson → Gay then we’ll have a2 guard. get rid of kirk
by The90sBullsRevival on Feb 17, 2010 9:41 PM CST reply actions
Agree about Tyrus, disagree about Kirk
I think we should keep Tyrus. He’ll be better for us this year than Harrington will, especially with Noah out. Let him audition for a contract, whether thats with us or somebody else. And I think our main target this offseason is Chris Bosh. If that happens and we don’t sign anybody else, Kirk is still the SG. If we do sign a star SG instead of Bosh, Kirk goes back to being a much better backup PG than we’d be able to replace him with.
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Kirk is not a good shooting guard
And he’s overpaid as a backup point handicapping the ability to fill other holes on the team. With his contract, he’s simply not a good fit for the Bulls.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i agree with the sentiment
although im a hinrich fan, yea if you are planning on getting an upgrade at the sg position trade hinrich. Now if hinrich isnt traded ill be happy, and if he is ill be a bit bummed until i see what replaces him….the ones ill be perfectly happy with are Bosh and wade, joe johnson is a probably and gay…well i dont know his game and id like to see how he plays for us before i make a verdict…i digress though, a team of rose, hinrich, deng, bosh, and noah is still a really good team and id be very happy with that team….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Most of those names are longshots
I don’t see Wade leaving Miami, it’s just too nice a place to play. Bosh seems like a logical fit down there too. There is still a chance Johnson stays in Atlanta and I think New York is a strong contender for his services with the Dantoni connection. New York also becomes a destination choice for Bosh if he wants the big market and to be “the guy”.
The more I look at the situations this Summer, the more unlikely I think it is we land a star. In an odd way, I think we have a better chance of landing Lebron than we do a few of those other guys.
I'm fine with no more trades
Clearing up cap space to sign a max contract was the most important thing, and it looks like they did that. I think it’s a pipe dream that they’ll grab multiple stars (no matter what Bill SImmons says) and I still think it’s a long shot that they get Lebron, Wade, Bosh, or even Joe Johnson (although having the cap space available in case is important).
Which is why I don’t think we should just dump Kirk and/or Tyrus for nothing. Kirk frees up some space but that’s only as issue if you think we can nab multiple stars. He’s still a solid all-around player that doesn’t disrupt the flow of the offense and get in the way of Rose. He also makes a great backup guard in the event we land a Joe Johnson this offseason. I would just hate to dump him and watch as we whiff on all the free agents this offseason.
There is one other thing that I think is important when talking about trading Hinrich, Miller, Tyrus, etc. The stronger the Bulls finish this year, the more desirable location it is for a free agent. If the Bulls can finish in the 6th spot and knock off the Celtics in the 1st round, does that make Wade, Bosh, Lebron and so on think twice if their main goal is winning a championship? I still think it’s important that this team finish strong, make the playoffs, and gain some experience for Noah and Rose. It’s not just about cap room, it’s about having a team that a star wants to play for and thinks makes a contender.
With the latest news that Stoudemire is likely to finish with Suns this season and not be traded
DWade has got to be pretty angry if the Heat make no moves. Supposedly, the Heat are willing to take chances that they could sign Amare in offseason (IF he opts out, IF he doesn’t sign with someone else)…
Hopefully DWade takes a long look at Chicago as an option if Miami whiffs out tomorrow.
All your base are belong to Vinny.
Miami has more space than anyone
They can sign Bosh without giving up anything this offseason. And don’t forget that Miami is one of the best places you could possibly wish to live and play in this league.
It's true
that the Bulls don’t have to make another move, though I wouldn’t be against it. The best part about Hinrich as a backup is that the team won’t be hurt badly if either Rose or a free agent SG gets hurt. Boston is showing how desperate things can become if you ignore having good players on the bench.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
You do realize they only have two guards who can play, right?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If Tyrus is traded...
It won’t be for Al Harrington.
He either ends up in a package for T-Mac or he goes to SA for expirings and their 1st rounder. Hopefully, the main expiring contract is Mason, so he can take over for Salmons
Honestly, I think the idea of keeping Hinrich around is growing on me. He can always be used in a trade this offseason, and he does have more value to us, than to just throw him away for some bum expirings. With all that said, I’d still like to see him moved to LA for Morrison, Farmar, and whatever else to match. Just because I think that’s a win-win trade. We get expirings and a guy who can come in and back up the PG.
its agreed upon that salmons will go to the bucks
from what i understand, but i think it could be part of a bigger trade before its finalized….
im pretty sure i just saw at the bottom of espn
we traded ty thomas and 1 other (didnt quite see it) for harrington. dont hold me against it
I think something that's being overlooked reagrding McGrady
which was mentioned in McGraw’s blog from earlier today is the Bulls desire to trade for T-Mac simply to keep the Knicks from getting that cap space. It makes a lot more sense now that we know the Bulls will have the cap space for a max guy.
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exactly. they are the main competitor this offseason.
by point.shave on Feb 17, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't even think about that
But I still contend the Bulls have something New York doesn’t when luring a free agent. Derrick Rose.
True, but if they have that cap space they could have someone as good or better than Rose
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
u guys all sure
you wouldn’t want harrington on rental for the rest of the season??? i think he’d actually fit well with Noah as a scoring PF. pick and roll with rose… i dunno, i don’t think i’d mind it.
Bird Rights
Does he have any that we’d get in a trade?
I would actually do that, but I just hate the idea of New York having Tyrus
It scares me on so many levels
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
yeah but if the bulls aren't going to give him a chance
i wouldn’t be upset if he succeeded somewhere else and we got bosh, haha
ANYWHERE but New York
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
He'll be better in New York
Just because the system fits his style better. Don’t have to play any defense and can shoot whenever you want.
wtf? why would he fit into a non-defensive oriented system better?
by point.shave on Feb 17, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
the bulls would be getting some of the weight they lost when gray was traded.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Why don't we just trade Luol for Stoudemire now and just go hard after Wade, Lebron, JJ in the off season?
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Even more reason to trade for him then
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing the Bulls don't like his injury history
Given their actions with Blair, not even spending a late 1st rounder on him, they seem pretty conservative about that sort of thing.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, because Luol Deng has been a real iron man...
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe that's why they are gun shy about that sort of thing now....
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think you get what I'm saying
They’d be trading Deng (An injury riddled player) for Stoudemire (An injury riddled player) so there would be nothing to be “gun shy” about in that regard.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Ahh I see..
But Amare would be their big 2010 acquisition then, and they’d be maxing out his contract. Deng isn’t a max player at least. I can understand why they would hesitate to invest that much into Amare.
But, like you, I think their chances of acquiring a decent FA are pretty low. Possibly non-existent. So I’d take Amare now if they can get him.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, I'm not so good when it comes to cap stuff
but I think if they traded Deng for Stoudemire and still traded Salmons (a given) they would still have enough room to sign a max guy even if they extend Stoudemire. So it would work on all levels. Just depends on how much you like Stoudemire. Or actually if you like him more than Deng, which you should
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Because Stoudemire is not that good
Great at scoring but horrible defender and crappy rebounder for his size.
I don't want to have the whole Stoudemire debate again
but I will say I disagree. If you can get a guy that is at least comparable to the other free agents now, you do that.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
his team just went on another comeback run with him on the bench.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I think we all need to remember how bad KG'sT Wolves were before
the trade to the Celtics. People said the same stuff. Not sayin Amare is KG, but we need to stop basing a player’s worth on his team’s performance.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
the difference is KG had tremendous +/- numbers. his teams pretty much never
went on runs while he was benched.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
im not saying dont try to go for amare ever. but if it takes trading deng
then you loose the rebounding and defensive balance that noah and deng provide to amare’s offense.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
KG had no one around him
Amare plays along side a multi-time MVP and perennial All-Star PG. Amare is a great offensive player, but is not an elite all-around player. He makes this team better, but not championship quality. I’d rather take a shot (even if it means missing) at getting a guy who can make this team a contender.
That's the great thing about trading Deng for Amare
We can still go after another player…
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 1:38 AM CST up reply actions
You mean a mid level SG like Anthony Morrow?
Kirk Hinrich is shooting better than Ray Allen.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 17, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
And is better on defense
Allen is done and a backcourt of him and Rose is going to get destroyed by good guards.
No.
Unless the acquire Bosh in a sign and trade…if they sign him outright, then they will only have about $2M to sign additional players (Asik?)
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
If we land Bosh
I’d hope Reinsdorf could go over the cap to get us a SG too.
You can't just decide to go over the cap
Only by resigning your own players or a trade. I don’t see how either of those options will get the Bulls a quality SG, unless someone will trade one straight up for Hinrich.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
If we land a big guy in the off season
plus keep Rose, Noah and Deng, eventually that team will be over the cap. It all depends on when The Bulls decide to extend Noah/ Rose. My guess is not til after the new CBA is installed.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
I hope so...
Warrick is a good post scorer…while Kurt is done…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
I like Warrick a lot.
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 17, 2010 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
This is so screwy, evertime someone says Kurt (Thomas) I keep thinking
they’re talking about Kirk (Hinrich). Damn you Vinny!
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
warrick would be sweet, although the fans would turn on him immediately for not playing D.
i dont care, i find him a little underrated.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
plus he brings symmetry to the team.
taj and noah— defense
miller and warrick— offense.
just try to have one from each group on the floor at all times.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 17, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather have Warrick
But I’m guessing it depends on the Tyrus/Harrington deal. If we get Harrington, not sure if they want to also have Warrick and would rather just get Thomas to buyout and save a few bucks.
Why do you care about saving a few bucks?
I’t’s not your money and will have no implications on getting other players. Warrick is better than Thomas, and I’d rather have him on the Bulls.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I want Warrick
Just speaking from the perspective of Reinsdorf and company. I’ll take all the depth we can get, but if Reinsdorf sees Kurt Thomas as a way to save half a million or something through a buyout, he’s going to do it.
Is Warrick hurt right now? His minutes are down.
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 17, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get it
Why would all of this stuff with Kurt Thomas be reported online and on espn as a completed deal that will be finalized tomorrow if its still in the “might happen/probably wont happen/might happen but in a different form” stage
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Because ESPN reporting it is different from the NBA approving it.
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 17, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Because they're relying on sources with indirect knowledge to provide them info until an official announcement
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All reports indicate this is a will-happen thing
However, there’s a gap between when the teams agree and all the paperwork is finalized and the league announces it.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 17, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
definitely love the move.
it should be probably be said tho – we are giving our competitors a pretty good player for this season
I just read it could be hakim warrick instead of kurt thomas...
someon realized Warrick DNP today?
KCJHoop
The Bucks are either going to send Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander OR Kurt Thomas and Francisco Elson to the Bulls. Probably the former.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 17, 2010 11:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
correct
and interesting.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I think Elson is hurt.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
it's realistic for them, at least
smart for them to realize that they aren’t getting under for 2010 so try and take advantage of team that is (not that it doesn’t benefit both sides)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Melo and Durrant!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Yeah!
GO BUCKS!! 2011 BITCHES!! FEEL THE ANTLERS!!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
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by The Red Menace on Feb 17, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Ha, such hubris when you're 5 months away from actually bragging about something?
At least the Bucks have zero expectations when it comes to this, the Bulls will just continue to be a laughingstock if all does not go according to plan.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 17, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
I feel confident that the Bulls at least sign someone a tad above mediocre
I think the real problems will arise when they try to sign Noah and Rose to their 2nd contracts.
K.C. said it well
Even if the Bulls are done-and there’s no guarantee they are-they’ve accomplished their goal: Max $ for FA and still can make playoffs.
They might not get a free agent who will get a max FA contract, but they now have the money to pull such a signing.
No, i'm serious!!
The BUCKS are gonna RUN THE TABLE in 2011!! YEAH! KISS THE HOOVES!!
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by The Red Menace on Feb 17, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Why funny?
Plenty of teams have been gearing up for 2010 for more then a year. Everyone else is going for 2010, so you go for 2011. Seems smart to me. I’ve considered what if the Bulls did the same. If we strike out this summer, we can just do it again next year if we sign guys to one year deals for this season.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2010 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
The Bulls kept this trade a secret
I can’t wait untill tommorow to see what else they have in store. This trade just means they are positioning themselves to make another trade tommorow.
Wade 2010!!!!!
Thomas for Harrington
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 17, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
The Bulls could be getting Joe Alexander according to K.C.’s twitter, now.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 17, 2010 11:34 PM CST reply actions
So which trade was it then?
Honestly, I am disturbed that we would trade one of our only good shooters for a couple of old duds, even though it has nice cap ramifications. Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander has been recently reported as a possible alternative deal
What is everyone hearing? I can’t wait to get Harrington also.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 17, 2010 11:36 PM CST reply actions
Am I wrong in my thinking that the Bulls can sign 2 max guys in the offseason?
With Salmons gone, they now have $35 mill on the books after this season. The cap is estimated to be at $52.5 mill. The luxury tax threshold is estimated to be at $61.2 million. Doesn’t that give them about $27 mill to spend on two guys? Max free agents are about $15.75 a year. Couldn’t they get one guy to sign for about $12 a year and backload the contract just to play with another superstar? That’s 2 guys, not one, like the media is reporting.
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It doesn't work like that
They can’t go above the cap to sign anybody unless it’s their own free agent or one of the exceptions. So the space to sign a max free agent is up to the 52.5 or whatever the cap turns out to be.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Ok I see...
i was thinking there was some sort of rule like that.
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 17, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't work like that.
There is a limit to how much you can backload a deal. Specifically, a deal can only increase by 10% per year. Any contract that is truly a “max deal” will start at $16.5 million and increase 10% per year. Any deal starting at $12 million a year will not be able to increase as much and consequently will be worth significantly less than a max deal.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 17, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
So what do you guys want from the Bulls tomorrow?
I want them to get a draft pick for Tyrus, so we don’t lose him for nothing. We will also need some type of depth for next season. So the draft pick will help.
I actually hope the Bulls keep Hinrich. He is a solid third guard for next season, even though he is pricy.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 17, 2010 11:38 PM CST reply actions
I would never trade Deng AND Noah for Bosh, which apparently the Bulls offered
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 17, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
Then I happy that you are not the one making such decisions…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Noah is a near all-star and Deng is great starting small-forward
If we give those guys away, we would have absolutely no depth. This summer we can potentially have all three of those guys if we sign Bosh, which is a good possibility. You are wrong.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 17, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Lets play would you rather...
Would you rather have a clear cut number one option on your team, a legit NBA superstar, alongside the clear cut number two in Derrick Rose, an up and coming star, with cap space to build around them this Summer to add the third and fourth options would you rather have a number three and number four to go with your two, an really hope that you could land that number over the summer?
I will take the first option every single time…superstars in the NBA win championships, and a team must make the move to get them when they are available….
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 17, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Well what do you do if Bosh walks this summer
We’re then royally fucked. Even though we now have a ton of cap room, we’ll be nowhere near as attractive a destination because Deng and Noah are now gone.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 18, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
if we moved deng/noah
we’d almost have room for 2 max guys, resigning bosh and maybe gay/lee/jj
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
I would
I would do it if it includes Bosh signing an extension.
I like Noah a lot, but he is limited offensively and the team has won without him. I still love him and his game, but you have to give up something big to get something big. Deng I have no problem dumping. He’s a nice player but has a really bad contract. If you dump Deng’s contract and bring in Bosh, I believe you still have room to sign a max contract in the offseason. So you’re sitting with Rose and Bosh with the money to bring in a guy like Lebron, Wade, or Joe Johnson. Like I said, I love Noah but have no problem getting rid of Deng’s contract.
But I doubt that ends up happening
I’m sure Bosh is going to at least test the open market. If he’s not willing to sign an extension with Toronto, why would he do so here?
Trade Kirk/TT
Trade Captain Kirk for expirings. And TT for expirings + 1st round pick. We need cap space!!!
I'd be happy with that, but the Bulls would need to get a guard back somehow
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Back-Up Gaurd
That would hopefully be coming back as an expiring. It would be rough the rest of the year with Devin Brown seeing major minutes.
yea but if the Bulls trade Hinrich
it doesn’t mean we would have enough cap space for 2 max contracts. We mine as well keep him.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 17, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
17 mil remaining
That’s alot to pay a backup even if we cant sign 2 top fa’s
you can sign one
and then another player at a market-rate instead of Hinrich’s overpaid self.
But it’s probably too risky, as Kirk is, um, well he just is.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Probably could go after Wade or Johnson
Then get David Lee for a little more than the Hinrich price
Rose
Wade or Johson
Deng
Lee
Noah
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
just trade Kirk. just do it.
I can’t take it anymore :-)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not gonna happen.
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 17, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I agree
just cause he’s Hinrich and I am just sick of him after all these years.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 17, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It Should Happen
But they cant seem to make it happen for some reason
Simple reason.
No one wants Hinrich’s crap contract.
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 18, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But he won't be able to set the record for 3pt FGs
And then JR won’t be able to retire his number.
And then all the Kirk haters won’t be able to throw tomatoes at his jersey during the ceremony.
It’s a lose-lose for everybody.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 18, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Hinrich is like the island in LOST.
People just cannot escape from his pull.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
dunno if someone posted earlier
but espn says knicks are still confident about harrington for ty thomas
ugh...I'd really rather see a 2nd round pick
The more I see of Harrington, the less I like. Granted he’s a better pick and pop guy than Noah, but I just don’t like that trade.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 17, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Better pick and pop than Noah?
Harrington is a three-point shooter and a proven scorer…don’t you think a better pick and pop guy than Noah is a slight understatement?
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 18, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
I would rather almost keep Thomas
I want to get some sort of value for Thomas that will help us next season (a draft pick!)
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah but knowing the knicks, we could probably get them to send over a few picks...
In addition to Mike D’Antoni, the right to take LeBron from them if he signs there, the keys to MSG, and the empire state building.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 18, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Not with Donnie Walsh running the show.
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by Da Bulls' Eye on Feb 18, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Isaiah is no longer the GM
Back in the day we could’ve traded Tyrus for Jordan Hill and a couple first rounders!
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Now the Knicks are backing out of the T-Mac trade
It’s so unlike them to back out of taking a player that is over the hill
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
This is great news
As it makes it harder for them to have cap room this offseason. They needed to dump that Jefferies contract bad.
Is it possible
we package some of the Milwakee crap, KNICKS CRAP with some of our crap for Amare?
For instance if we do tt and fatty for harrington, maybe phoenix likes him more than tt, he knows the system, shoots the 3, etc and we also throw them some other exp junk there familiar with such as kurt thomas etc. maybe a first rounder?
They recieve a couple big guys, salary relief, cash, draft picks? Better than nothing right? Getting a first for Amare before he leaves is better than nothing
can't re-package players, FYI
they can be traded again, but only by their lonesome.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
dam
we really need Amare, its a win win for the bulls. i really hope with cleveland backing out, miami offering crap, the bulls have a perfect opp to pounce on this guy, its clear pho doesnt want him. Plus i hear if hes still there when the smoke clears hes gonna be salty
cant we send them
al harrington some trade exceptions cash and a 1st rounder, or did i totally miss what you just said about sending them alone. does that mean alone alone of can you send crap like trade exceptions draft picks
I thought they had 24 hours
to modify a trade… and the actual deal hasn’t been finalized, has it? Good thing only 4 teams play tonight. Otherwise there’d be some pretty bare benches…
Would I trade Deng AND Noah for Bosh.
As much as I like Bosh (and I really want him here) I wouldn’t do it that would be a dumbass trade and wouldn’t improve us that much.
WOW
Stein just tweeted that Kevin Martin is going to the Rockets, and T-Mac will either land with Sacramento or New York.
Link: http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
Good as is
The Bulls were never primed to make a run this year. They’ve been gunning for this summer free agency class.
I don’t see how anybody can bitch about this situation if they understand what’s going on. Is it exactly what the Bulls wanted to do? Probably not; they’re about to let their #2 pick walk next offseason.
I agree. This was the move we've been expecting all along.
Not pretty or flashy, but it will mean a whole lot in July.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Yup. I'm pleased if we just stand pat from here on out.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
Need more details.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Yeah, I'm guessing they launched either Ariza or Battier
…right when I was about to go to bed. Eff.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
I'm really hoping for the Raptors to cave.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
That we're probably not trading with the Rockets
I’d bet that we trade Tyrus and Jerome James for Harrington (ugh) and call it a day.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
did you read this yet?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Yeah. Not sure if I believe a word that guy says anymore though
I don’t see Colangelo giving up Bosh right now
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
Oh Tech N9ne is out of style now?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Still interesting if true.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I think T9 is Chuck Swirsky.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Bulls/Rockets deal is done
But who knew if the negotiations ever really heated up
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
I doubt it since really didn't make sense from the Bulls perspective
Their main motivation was to clear Salmons’ salary, and in order to do that with the Rockets, they would’ve had to match the Knicks’ offer of giving up a draft pick. So why would they do that if they had the Milwaukee deal lined up?
God damn Daryl Morey is a fucking gangster.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
KC is back.
Gar Forman will address the media tomorrow at 4 PM. Will Bulls have made another deal by then? Stay tuned.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
he's such a tease.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
gar is going to speak? with his mouth? in front of (other?) people and cameras?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Woj:
Houston in advanced talks with Kings for T-Mac, Laundry and Dorsey for Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, Armstrong and Rodriguez, sources tell Y
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
Wow, they couldn't get Sacramento to take on Ariza or Battier?
I’m kind of liking that less if they give up Landry.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I figured Ariza or Battier was gone
This trade is basically Landry for Martin, but you still gotta do it if you’re the Rox. They can re-sign Scola this off-season.
Brooks/Martin/Ariza/Scola/Yao is a pretty nasty starting lineup next year. Damn.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
puts ariza back in a more natural role. too high usage currently.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
This is great, Knicks have to keep Jeffries
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, that's the best part of this deal for Bulls fans...assuming it doesn't morph into a 3-way
don’t see how it can though. who else wants jeffries contract?
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
i think this is better for houston than it is for SAC.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Kevin martin is perfect for the Rockets
i wish our GM was that good
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2010 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
Better than NYC right?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Oh three way?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Anyone watch the NBATV guys interview Brad?
http://www.nba.com/video/games/knicks/2010/02/17/0020900796_chi_nyk_recap.nba/index.html
Worth watching just for Brad asking the studio where John was traded.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 12:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
What does he say?
Sorry, i can’t watch videos cuz im in taiwan
Yeah that was great.
Bradass!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
'Where is John?'
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I hope we can bring him back
On a cheap 1 year deal. I love his game and he’s a great backup C.
So they traded for 38 yr old player that plays inside
for a early 30 yr old that plays like a 38 yr old outside.
ILL TAKE IT!
he seems awfully good to me. its just the fit thing that makes this so good for HOU and so 'eh' for SAC in my opinion.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Rose,Hinrich,Harrington,Warrick and Bosh
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Another complete junk ass trade...
That just adds to the cycle of going nowhere.
Last year we traded for Salmons, And, now we’ve traded him away. Just like we’ve done with practically every other deadline deal we’ve made in the last 5-7 years.
A total joke.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Do you understand anything about cap flexibility?
Have you heard of the summer of 2010?
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2010 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
Do you understand anything about useless cap flexibility?
None of the big stars are going to come here. And then, we’re going to dish out a max contract to a guy who isn’t worth it… and have another 8th seed team.
That’s not how you build a winner. You build one by drafting well, and making deals that net positive gains. All of the players we deal for, get dealt away within a calendar year.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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okay genius.
so what player are you going to deal for right now that brings us a championship?
or were you wanting to tank seasons for a few more years to get john wall and some other kids
I think brian scalabrine
lol your statement was
That’s not how you build a winner. You build one by drafting well, and making deals that net positive gains
just saying that it worked well for the 08 celtics
You guys are insane...
As Albert Einstein defines it: doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
And that’s exactly what the Bulls have done year after year. Trading away the guy they just traded for a year ago.
It’s a revolving door that goes nowhere… I don’t know what you’re not grasping about this concept. They aren’t building anything. They’re merely re-arranging the chairs every February. It’s an embarrassment to how an organization should be run.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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You didn't answer Sin's question
What exactly do you recommend the Bulls do? Do you actually have some sort of plan that you would have rather seen them pull off .or are you just gonna talk shit?
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2010 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
eh its probably gonna be something like
they shud get bosh or at least tmac
to which someone will say
reports show we tried to get bosh by giving up everything but rose, but toronto isnt trading him, and tmac is already in houston
and then he will say
EXACTLY the bulls freakin suck, if this is all they do they suck
so in other words it will be an absurd incoherent request that somehow in his mind will solidify the argument that the bulls didnt do anything worthwhile….im pretty sure thats how these things go….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Shouldn't you be reading Mike Martz' 3,000 page playbook to Jay Cutler?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2010 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
Why can't the Bulls offer this trade?
Miller, Tyrus, James Johnson, and possibly for a first round pick for Amare. The Suns would do this deal and the Bulls could get a look at Amare for the rest of the season.
It’s not like were giving up that much and the offer is superior to the Cavs offer that they were considering before the Jamison trade.
Bulls ownership needs to show the fans that they have balls (or that they are at least concerned about anything besides money)
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2010 12:59 AM CST reply actions
It would be hilarious if Reinsdorf just Farva'd this whole situation this summer
Bulls fans: Oh, look, the Bulls signed Raja Bell and Brian Cook.
Reinsdorf: Oohoohoh shit. I got you good, you fucker!
Forman: Awesome prank, Jerry.
Reinsdorf: Better’n the crap you pull, Gar.
I’d probably start crying from both the hilarity of the situation, and that I would still waste my time watching the team.
TEAM RAMROD PAXDORF!
this time of year has me so burned out with the nba that ive forgotten who brian cook is, what position
he plays, what he looks like, or whether hes anything.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Rockets-Kings-Bulls
Do the rockets and kings trade as it is but trade Hinrich/Tyrus/Jerome James to sac for McGrady. Still gives the Kings a ton of cap space, get to try out Tyrus, and they will have legit point guard so Ty Evans can move over to the 2 spot.
by The90sBullsRevival on Feb 18, 2010 1:23 AM CST reply actions
It'd be interesting if the Kings would give us TMac for Tyrus/Miller/JJ
and then Miller ends up coming back here after being released. Too much going on at this point to have a good idea
I'm hearing
that McGrady will proably be released by the Kings, freeing him up to sign in NYC
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
I'd prefer we stand pat
We got the cap space we needed for this offseason, got depth down low (whoever we get from the bucks) in case noah is out for a while, and we’re still poised for the 5th trip to the playoffs in 6 years, which along with Rose, makes us a much more attractive place to star free agents than New York and LA Clippers
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
I agree
We got what we wanted. They made a really nice move that leaves us with a playoff team and cap room in the offseason. If we can get the Celtics in the first round, I think we can win a series too.
Not so sure
Let’s say we get Wade: we will need a PF
Let’s say we get Bosh: we will need a SG
I would still try to trade Kirk
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
I'd still like to see Tyrus moved for a 1st rd pick if possible.
Particularly if we get Warrick from the Bucks.
Well... if we are not going to keep him next year
there is no point in not trading him
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 18, 2010 7:14 AM CST up reply actions
I think it was a good bet to Milwaukee as well
As there is a good possibility that Salmons doesn’t want to continue with them next year.
*Rumours* Salmons traded for Alexander and Warrick
Supposedly …… waiting for official news
From the comments of that article...
Salmons is a pretty decent defender aswell and has an advantage when playing the 2 which i think he’ll do alot in milwaukee.
SUCKERS!!!!
yup way better trade
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Alrighty so
HoopsHype salaries has the Bulls with $31,861,826 comitted next year (subtract Salmons’ salary). How much will we have in cap holds and rookie salries approximately? Looks to me like the Bulls will have about 20 million available. That seems like too little to do much damage to me, unless the Bulls move up in the draft.
Didn't the Bulls just
get an extra million below the tax threshold w/ either package. They’ve gotta have something else under their sleeve to make use of that, maybe absorbing an extra $1 mil in a deal with a team above the tax to save them $2 mil total. I will be useless at the office today.
new thread is up.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2010 8:22 AM CST reply actions
I'm outta here
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