It's not dead until the deadline
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2010 11:48 AM CST
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PrintI'm actually quite optimistic about the Bulls ability to make a move before this coming trade deadline. At this time last season, I was leading the charge on jokes concerning Paxson's lapsed cell-phone bill, and it turned out they made a pretty good trade with a plan in mind. Granted, that plan was to replace Ben Gordon while selling the half-assed 2010 dream, but still.
And so I'd have to think that if they really are serious about clearing max cap space for 2010 (and why wouldn't they be? at it's worst it's a plan that reduces future payroll), they have an arranged Salmons or Hinrich deal for expirings in their back pocket. The likely problem in doing those deals immediately is that the expiring contracts offered can't play, and the team still would like to make the playoffs. So whether the reason to wait is as seemingly insignificant as getting the next couple games at full-strength, then it still makes sense to wait.
There's also getting what they can for Tyrus Thomas, though that entirely depends on how his working relationship with VDN is, and how concerned management is with backing their lame-duck coach even if it is strained. The talk that Thomas factors into 2010 is false, he's basically an expiring deal himself at this point. The Bulls could always retract a Qualifying Offer when they get a free agent target, or just not offer one at all. There's the stigma of 'losing him for nothing', but some of these offers are worse than getting another 30 games from Thomas. That is unless he's just playing nice for the next few games and is ready to blow up against the team again, to where maybe a quiet guy who can't play at all would actually be a step up.
There is some worry in waiting, as rumored trade partners like the Wizards, Mavs, and Blazers have already made moves. But I won't go into apoplectic fudge-the-Bulls mode until the deadline actually passes and Hinrich and/or Salmons isn't gone. I suppose it'd be quite Bullsian for them to trade neither and instead hope that Salmons opts out, then shifting the blame away from themselves if he doesn't. But even at my basest expectation for this braintrust, I think they know that's too risky.
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Tyrus didn't "blow up against the team"
he didn’t curse out Gar; he didn’t start yelling at Rose; he didn’t punch Gibson. He cursed out an incompetent head coach for not playing him when our starting center was hurt and he was being productive. He isn’t a distraction, there will be no addition by subtraction;, most of those guys have been playing with him for years and there never has been a hint that he doesn’t get along with his teammates.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 16, 2010 11:55 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Why then if that's all it is
Would Rose say “we’ve all talked to him”?
I think Tyrus is very very talented, but hasn’t figured it out and wants it handed to him…..it’s a shame really….
But if it was just an issue with Coach and player why would Rose stand up for this “lame-duck” coach and why would that Coach and Tyrus reiterate everything’s fine.
Tyrus is competitive, he got fired up, but he has to buy in to the team mentality at some point, and that’s been his biggest problem.
I’d love to keep Tyrus here, but he’s definitely not here…..
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Feb 16, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Further Point
If this was the first time Tyrus has shown any negative team things, that’s one thing….but he’s had mini incidents since his rookie year…..don’t always give the player the benefit of the doubt.
I agree Tyrus is far more gifted than Taj…..but so be it. Tyrus won’t own up to his role and that doesn’t work for the team.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Saying they have "all talked to him"
doesn’t imply that they (the teammates) have a problem with him. In fact, it implies that they all feel that they can go talk to him. I didn’t say he had a right to curse out his coach. I just said that the problem was between he and the coach and it wasn’t a distraction to his teammates.
The other stuff you are arguing and has nothing to do with my post.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 16, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
They might not have problems with him
But to me it doesn’t indicate that they are happy with him either (and the fact that they all have talked to him) also would ahve you think it’s more that they want him to buy in….the team is being coached in a way that if they get anything from Tyrus then great, if not, oh well….and that’s why it’s not a distraction. He’s being BG’d.
I think the other parts of the post are always in play with a Tyrus discussion since the only reason he’s really unhappy is that Taj is over him in PT.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
He is not being BG'd. The Bulls counted on BG
if BG had been benched, it would have been a distraction.
And regardless, you seem to be agreeing with me. I mean, they aren’t estatic with him. Oh well. Are they happy with Kirk? Are they happy with Devin Brown or JJ? Does it matter? They need him more than they need to exchange him for expiring contracts… because he is an expiring contract. Its that simple.
That is why I dismissed the Taj/Tyrus stuff. It really has no bearing on whether or not they should trade Tyrus. Should they resign Tyrus? Should Tyrus play more? Those are the questions where Taj matters. But on a pure trading front, are you going to get a better player with an expiring contract than Tyrus Thomas? I don’t think so.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 16, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think YaoPau made an excellent point below.
Trading Thomas for expirings alone doesn’t make much sense, but getting a mid first round pick in exchange brings back value via a cheap potential rotation player for the next three to four years…like the Thabo deal last season which netted the Bulls Taj Gibson.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 16, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
and YaoPau by extension!
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I don't know if he is or isn't a distraction
and neither do you. There was also the dress-down by super-vet Lindsey Hunter earlier this year. I’m not saying the Bulls are in the right, but maybe they’ve painted themselves in this corner if Tyrus and VDN can’t co-exist (though they say they can).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
I know what I've read
And I’ve seen no evidence that he is a distraction to any of his teammates. . Lindsey dressed down Tyrus (in his role as assistant coach) and Ben Wallace and Griffin suspended Noah. Somehow, the team and the players survived. From the pages of Sam Smith -
He’s not upsetting anyone on the team. They know who he is. The public and media overreact to these things. There is no overwhelming desire on the Bulls to dump him nor a feeling they have to. I don’t expect him to be traded.
So it doesn’t seem like management or the other players feel Tyrus is a distraction. VDN played Tyrus heavy minutes when he came back, so VDN doesn’t appear to be holding a grudge. I don’t see the distraction. If the Bulls can dump Tyrus and get a mid-round pick, more power to them. But they shouldn’t dump him for expiring contracts when Noah and Gibson are hobbling.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 16, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
you're correct that I worded it incorrectly
by saying ‘against the team again’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Nail on the head
As yfBB stated, any deal is good, it’s the possibility of no deal that strikes fear into my heart.
As much as a grandiose deal for a major expiring contract (McGrady, Allen, etc) would be awesome, even Hinrich for the Boston Poo-Poo platter is at least a small win in my book. At least give us a chance for one of the Big Four™.
by Will Perdue's Pinky Ring on Feb 16, 2010 12:02 PM CST reply actions
I don't see what would lead Salmons to opt into the final year of his contract
If he waits until 2011, he’ll have to sign a new contract under the new CBA. Even if the new CBA is not halfway close to the level of the initial owners’ proposal, it is still going to call for a significant reduction in salaries. Taking a pay cut for 2010-11 would be worth it for him as he’d still have a better shot of collecting more value overall on a contract signed this summer. That said, I’d much rather see the team move Hinrich as then they have guaranteed amount of cap space with potential for even more if Salmons indeed opts out.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
The fact that the possibility of a new CBA might make it a lot harder for him to get a big contract in 2011 as opposed to 2010
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 16, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Bleh
I didn’t read your post very well. I thought you were saying you don’t see what would lead Salmons to opt out.
YFBB: Did you come back from Dallas with...
hope?
I like it. Maybe T-Mobile can give me some of that.
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
My friends call me a reckless optimist
and I understand its not over till its over, but I don’t trust the Org’s plan. I’m nervous. I might not sleep tomorrow night.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 16, 2010 12:13 PM CST reply actions
Wouldn't it be nuts if...
the Bulls somehow snagged Allen’s huge contract and ended up playing the Celts in the first round again? That would make for some good TV (and probably another first-round exit).
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
Every morning this week, I wake up expecting to hear a trade regarding the Bulls
And usually 6 out of the 7 days, i wake up disappointed. You can’t say it’s boring, that’s for sure. But my heart would slow down dramatically if the Bulls didn’t make a move by Thursday
and I would be much more productive at work...
If I was not constantly checking in here and other trade news sites…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 16, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Not only have the Bulls not made a trade,
the previous day’s trade possibilities seem to be off the table. I keep trying to avoid NBA sites until after the deadline, but i can’t help but peek.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
Yeah, the thing about the Camby trade
It did the same thing for me. I just couldn’t help but be pessimistic about a trade being made for Hinrich now. I was like, “Great, there goes the most logical scenario!”
Now, it’s back to hoping the Lakers get desperate
I've been nervous for the last two weeks
I know they are wainting for the best offer, but this is becoming despairing. Especially when you read that Miami and Cleveland are after Stoudemire and the Bulls only after expiring contracts. :S
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
I'm actually sort of losing my optimism
The Lakers don’t seem to want to just expiring for Kurt. Nobody’s talking about Salmons. I’m guessing that the talk of another 1st rounder for Tyrus goes by the wayside as he’s used as an enticement to get some team to give up expirings.
This time last year, who would have thought they'd get anything of value for Nocioni and Gooden?
The year before that, we were all resigned to having Ben Wallace around for at least one more year. This org excels at hiding the truth of what they’re doing from the no good press.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Care to elaborate?
It gave us salary relief And made us a better team
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 16, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
it did not give us 2009 salary relief
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Me thinks...
Someone wanted ’09 relief to resign a certain UFA who left for Detroit.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I agree
if the Lakers were willing to give up just expiring contracts for Hinrich, the deal would have been done. Salmons has all but disappeared from trade discussions. I think the Bulls best deal for Hinrich may be the Celtics poo-poo platter. No one else seems to want to take him on.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 16, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand the keeping Tyrus idea
31 games at 25ish mpg isn’t worth 4 years of a rookie contract. Even if you include playoff cash, having Tyrus increases our expected playoff revenue by probably just a couple hundred thousand. The cost to add a back of rotation player, as evidenced by Jannero Pargo, can be $1.9 million per year.
Every scenario that results in our having a competitive starting lineup next year also means we’d have no bench. Here we have a chance to add a Top 20 pick, and it sounds like we’re backing away.
oops, bad math
We’d still obviously have to pay the rookie contract (which could be 1.9 million per year), but instead of getting Pargo/Devin Brown crap, we’d have a chance at usable rotation piece at a bargain price.
what keeping Tyrus idea are you referring too?
how sure can we be that a team really offered a mid round pick for Tyrus? A lot of false rumors floating around.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 16, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Even if it's just a late 1st round pick, it's still an obvious trade to make
That would be trading 31 games and $4.5 million over four years for a possible 300+ game return. There’s a chance the late 1st player doesn’t make an impact, but even garbage time filler has value. And if he turns into an 8th man, it’s a steal.
tyrus thomas is just PLain Basketball Stupid...
instead of working out like noah did, and improving his game he just complains and sulks over playing time? okay, why in good god woulfd he think he should be shootong 16-19 footers? he needs to fucus, bulk up somewhat. increase his strength, learn and shut up// no.. he sees durant shooting three pointers etc. but tyrus thomas is just plain fu#$ing stupid to absorb,listen and think.. i wonder why?
That's funny considering he works out with the same trainer Noah and Deng does
instead of working out like noah did
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
To his credit
since he’s been in the league, he has bulked up (a bit), he has improved his jumper (he just takes it at bad times), and he has become a better help side defender.
His problem is he sees himself as something that he isn’t. He’s a rebounder/defender that needs to get most of his points in the fast break and on put backs.
Thomas has all the potential in the world, but he seems to expect it now. He can’t bide his time and do what’s best for the team until his jumper is an actual reliable option.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 16, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
or just turn off the computer
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Food for thought
Any possibility 1 thread can account for all rumors?
I know you usually do this on the actual deadline date but considering the hysteria surrounding this years deadline, it might be fitting.
sure, anything's possible.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
in theory, at least
getting people to actually obey it is another. :D
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Bulls fans as I've suspected,
unless they pull a rabbit out the hat like last year, the Bulls will stand pat, the road to mediocrity continues, they won’t make a move untill the off-season, when they move Luol Deng for Al Jefferson, a trade idea that doesn’t involve them giving up Kirk and his declining skills. AL JEFFERSON will be the 2010-11 big aquisition, which isn’t bad, but rather sell out for the 2010 FA class
that doesnt make sense
Bulls HAVE to position themselves to get a free agent….dumping Deng for Jefferson doesn’t change much
by Playboy_BullV on Feb 16, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Jefferson could be used in a trade asset to get Bosh.
If I was going to losse Bosh, I would be happy with gaining Big Al. If we don’t get Bosh, at least we have Jefferson, who would fill our long overdue low-post scoring need. Dumping Hirich is key because we would still have enough $$ to pursue a max-type FA this off-season. Jefferson’s and Deng’s contrace are simular so it does not affect us as much as it would to make a trade for STAT.
Wade 2010!!!!!
You're among a group of BaBers that don't think the Bulls will make a deal
and I don’t understand the reasoning why. The Pax/Gar regime have been generally very active. I think everyone in our rotation besides Rose and Hinrich came here via trade. Plenty of players that Paxson didn’t like anymore (Crawford, Curry, Noc, Hughes, Wallace, Jalen, Marshall, Thabo, Gray, Gooden, Smith, Smith, Davis) were moved quickly, and there’s no reason to think the Bulls secretly won’t do the same to one of Hinrich/Salmons/Tyrus/Deng.
I say we all just calm down.
Your panicking is giving me anxiety. They are going to wait until Thursday at the last minute like they have the past 2 years.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Just found this.. Knicks' Harrington headed to Bulls or Rockets?
Knicks Blog I don’t understand why The Bulls would trade Thomas to the Knicks?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I don't like this new found optimism you picked up in Dallas yfbb
but I suppose you’re right. At the very least they can use this opportunity to trim salary for the future.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Don't want a salary dump
Hinrich and Tyrus for non-helpful expirings and no picks would not be a success in my estimation. I just have no confidence that the Bulls will lure LeBron, Wade or Bosh, and no one else is worth a true max deal plus the loss of those two. A #1 would help matters, and I’d be thrilled with rolling the dice on Amare or Boozer.
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For a second I thought this ASG
changed you to mr. nice-yfbb…then this…TMobile, must have jacked your bill up..lol
Someone out of Utah said he heard this rumor on the radio.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygqu3dc
He heard from a friend who lives in Utah who listens to the radio who heard this kinda thing. I thought I’d post it anyways.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
a friend of a friend of a friend that lives in Utah and heard from the radio about this deal.
So it’s most l fake likely very fake but hey.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
wow I can't type.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I sure hope your friend
Of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend who heard from a friend is right….as that’s essentially a trade I liked and posted here in November….
I think it fills an outside shooter and an inside presence….perfect, and keeps us able to try again if it doesn’t work out with Boozer (who is awesome and was easily the biggest snub at all star weekend—followed by Josh Smith second)….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Any trade where the Jazz
are taking back more salary is probably not true. They have been reported to be trying to get under the luxury tax line.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I forgot the Jazz had money issues.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Although AK47 is a big expiring next year.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Trading Partners
Looks like the Bulls are running out of trade partners. Getting any value now is going to be hard. Sometimes you need to go all in after the flop to win the pot…. Sometimes you hold a great hand and lose on the river…. The Bulls are coming up on the river…..
by DB Cooper00 on Feb 16, 2010 2:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I wanted to respond with a smart-a comment
But I’ve thought about this for a long time and I’ve concluded that you must be one or more of these things:
1. under 14
2. mentally disabled
3. foreign student
4. Educated from the Chicago public school system.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
5. A teacher in the Chicago public school system.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 16, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You may be right
but why reply to one of her posts that there is actually nothing wrong with? If you just waited a little bit, I’m sure you could have had your pick of bad ones to choose from lol.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
maybe you're right but I thought this one qualified
She is doing the math for us for a post that was put up today…I can sorta understand if a week has passed and now it is only 2 days till the trade deadline.
Don't worry
I’m sure there will be more on this thread later for us to marvel at
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
What?
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
by bigballa10 on Feb 16, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is from the realgm board on T-mac
Me: Sam, I know this is the time of year when all chaos ensues and we are fed a
bunch of misinformation, but everyone seems to only discuss the Knicks’
package for Tmac as a possibility. Are the Bulls still interested in him at
all? If so, seems like the Bulls would be able to come up with a much
better package than the Knicks (e.g. Salmons, Miller, Tyrus).
Sam: i don’t know the details, but the bulls are and offered some stuff but i heard the rockets asked for no. 1 picks and guys like taj
Steep price for T-mac.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Taj for T-Mac?
there’s no way the Org EVER makes that deal. Even in 2004 they don’t make that deal. Taj is the future, haven’t you guys heard?
Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2007. NCAA Tournament South Region MVP 2008. First Overall Pick in 2008 Draft. 2009 Rookie of the Year, 1st Team All-Rookie. Tied for Most Points by a Rookie in First Playoff Game (36), Second Player Ever With 35 points and 10 assists in playoff debut (Chris Paul).
2010 All-Star.
And more to come. Derrick Rose.
If Taj is the future
The apocolypse must be right around the corner.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 17, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
No 1 pick and multiple players
for an expiring contract? Only the knicks are desperate enough for cap space that they’ll give in to Houston’s outrageous demands. It wouldn’t even be that much cap space for the Bulls, as they’d be giving up Miller’s expiring contract in return, just to make the money work.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
The Rockets have little motivation to trade TMac.
As they can just let him expire and have nearly $10M in cap space next Summer to pursue a free agent of their choosing…so, it makes some sense for them to ask for something more than just expirings in exchange…
Their situation with TMac compares favorably to the Bulls situation with Tyrus Thomas, the Bulls do not have to trade him for cap space, as he expires in the Summer…so the Bulls should be asking for a serviceable player or first round pick…with the Bulls goal of Max cap space, the first round pick is the more favorable option.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
ok lets look at it this way
David LEE, Boozer, Bosh are all free agents …..Why would we keep TAJ friken gibson….and our first rounder is going to be nothing higher than pick 16
Taj would make a great back-up PF
but move him if it helps get rid of the 2010 problem contracts.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 16, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
If the Knicks are willing to trade 2 no. 1 picks, I don’t want the Bulls to try to outbid them.
not Taj!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
I posted this on another thread and I am interested in getting some feedback:
Although I usually just read the posts here…
I thought this thread was interesting. I think we should shoot for Jefferson, and here’s a three team trade that combines some of the current Bulls rumors.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfep87v
Any thoughts?
I think it really makes sense for each team.
Bulls get a low-post scoring threat and some expiring contracts. Lakers get Captain Kurt and a championship. Minnesota gets Deng and TT, a definite upgrade to their current lineup.
I like that trade a lot
The question is whether Minnesota is willing to go through on that. I’m sure they wouldn’t be enthused to take on Vujacic’s deal, and they may want to hold on the Jefferson in hopes that they can get more value this summer.
Good point.
The downside for us is that we would really thin out at the 2 and/or 3 spot, with Salmons and JJ (maybe?) getting a ton of minutes.
The Deng for Jefferson idea just popped up on ESPN trade rumors…
I'm fine with Salmons at the 3 for half a year
The 2 spot is the big issue. We’re gonna see a lot more of Devin Brown and Jannero Pargo if something like this happens. I think it’s worth it though.
What would that lineup look like for the remainder though?.. not that i care just curious.
Rose
Salmons
Johnson
Jefferson
Noah/Taj
Grant Park!
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
My thoughts exactly... not a great lineup to say the least.
Rose – Pargo
Salmons – Brown
Johnson – Salmons
Jefferson – Taj – Richard
Noah – Miller
Maybe?
I think this is more likely
Rose Pargo Richards
Brown – Salmons – Pargo
Salmons – Johnson – Morrison
Jefferson – Taj
Noah – Miller
The bright side is our frontcourt is both dominant and well-stocked in terms of depth.
personally
I prefer the first…
=)
Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2007. NCAA Tournament South Region MVP 2008. First Overall Pick in 2008 Draft. 2009 Rookie of the Year, 1st Team All-Rookie. Tied for Most Points by a Rookie in First Playoff Game (36), Second Player Ever With 35 points and 10 assists in playoff debut (Chris Paul).
2010 All-Star.
And more to come. Derrick Rose.
Can't we ship Jerome James out
to someone that needs luxury tax relief to get another guard?
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 16, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
ive heard no rumors that would suggest we could.
althought ive heard some rumors that have mentioned shipping some of our other players + james in a move.
Minny shoots down Bulls offer?
Deng +Tyrus was offered for Jefferson but the Wolves said no because Kahn wants to wait til the summer to evaluate the team. At least it shows the bulls are smart about who they should get and are smart about offering Deng for not just expiring deals.
Deng and Tyrus were offered apparently and Minny said no thanks! boo
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
i'm kinda convinced kahn is a moron.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 16, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm depressed.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
There no doubt about that in my mind
The guy drafted flynn and rubio and tried to justify the draft by saying he was planning to play them them together. Now he has changed his tune by saying he knew that rubio would not come to the states for a couple of years…
i seriously wonder about this guy....
i know its hard to analyze a draft until years after the fact……
but the job he did with last year’s draft seems verrry strange
MORE POINT GUARDS
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 16, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
From Chad Ford
Chad Ford: The Wolves continue to rebuff teams looking into the availability of Al Jefferson.
A source close to the process told ESPN.com that the Wolves recently said no to a potential Luol Deng and Tyrus Thomas for Jefferson deal, telling the Bulls they aren’t going to move Jefferson by the trade deadline, which is consistent with what Wolves GM David Kahn has been saying for weeks. However, a Deng-Thomas deal was the most realistic trade scenario we’ve heard for Jefferson.
Jefferson was one of the first big names to get mentioned in trade deadline buzz when word came out that the Pacers had rebuffed an offer of Jefferson for Danny Granger. Since then, Kahn has been adamant that he’s not trading Jefferson, or any member of his young core, by the trade deadline. Kahn has maintained he wants an entire season to evaluate the talent he has on the roster.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Guy sounds like a D-bag.
They passed on Deng and Tyrus? That sounds pretty damn fair.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Most fair basketball trade
i’ve heard this year. By that, I mean a trade that wasn’t based on cap space.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
I know I'm biased being a Bulls fan...
But I really believe that Deng-Tyrus for Jefferson is the best deal the Wolves are going to get for Jefferson, given his contract.
An upside for the Wolves is
bringing in Deng and Tyrus gives them a reasonable shot at winning some games the remainder of the season with an interesting “core” of Flynn, Deng, Tyrus, and Love. Not bad.
Deng would be good for them.
They could market him and have thing… to a degree.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
Maybe some Zen rubbed off on him.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
i would like getting jefferson in that trade.....
having said that a guy like jefferson has some bigger question marks than many see at first (injury history, having never been on an even decent NBA team)
Can we throw them someone else?
To convince Kahn to do it?Any ideas?
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Feb 16, 2010 5:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No thanks now
But that is out there for the Summer if we want to make a strong push for Wade.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 16, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
There is so much misinformation my brain is going to explode.
Why does Thursday feel so far away? Is it all the Knicks games?
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
I think
we play the Knicks 14 times in row between now and the deadline.
Or maybe that’s just me.
Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2007. NCAA Tournament South Region MVP 2008. First Overall Pick in 2008 Draft. 2009 Rookie of the Year, 1st Team All-Rookie. Tied for Most Points by a Rookie in First Playoff Game (36), Second Player Ever With 35 points and 10 assists in playoff debut (Chris Paul).
2010 All-Star.
And more to come. Derrick Rose.
The next 24 hours of Bulls/Knicks is like watching a funeral.
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
the thing about hinrich.....
i know there are dumb teams out there.
but i really don’t see why a team would want to pick up hinrich right now. i see little reason why anyone would with his contract and value. so im definitely pessimistic about our ability to move him before the deadline.
having said that – i thought the exact thing about nocioni last year (who maybe youve seen the kings are now trying to move).
Beasley spent the first two quarters like he was wandering through a forest.-Neil Funk
by SoulEater7 on Feb 16, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Paxson Twitter's
glad i ain’t GM, I love my job cause I do nothang!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
I love how you still continually rip on Paxson when he's not the GM anymore.
Do you still blame Bush for everything wrong in our country today?
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
do you think Pax isn't a part of Gar Paxdorf?
This is the kind of thing he’s most likely to be involved in. Then he shoves Gar in front of the microphones.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Mmm! once you word it like that!
He (Pax) surely is learning from the “best” of the master of disguise (Reinsdorf)
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
True, but exult is solely blaming Paxson at all times.
Which I find quite humorous.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
On the 12th day of christmas
1) Vicktor Krpypia
2) NumSkull VDN
3) Much playing time for Shannon Brown and J.R. Smith (good-ole-boys ..Pargo and Hunter)
4) Calling up Mark Price, The Dream, etc for player development. He likes cheap really average to below average guys (Randy Brown, Mike Brown) to teach. ( Illini15 when you choose your desired mentor in in particular area do you look for average??? I can imagine a fat 316 pound personal trainer … ) …something about those “browns” .. “Meet the Browns”
5) Ben Wallace
6) Noc’s contract (now Ben Gordon’s replacement :-( Salmons
7) Hiring Dr. Phil or similar psych to teach him and staff how to deal with controversial players, lack of leadership knowledge, skills ,negotiation skills, building relationship skills, was a GM outcast
8) Stupid no headband and other peanut butter rules and this phoney characters choirboy campaign when the back offices proclaims “first priority is Ben Gordon”
9) Aggressive trades and blind player lover
10) Labeling Luol Deng a “star” when he’s just a glorified slightly better Travis Outlaw with more minutes and less players on Bulls to compete for his SF position.
11) Taj Gibson ok maybe not, but JJ instead of the beast Blair
12) Gasol, Garnett, Kobe .. well I’m sure he had a real chance at one or another popular trade if he only had some guts to make a deal.
Illini stop provoking .. I’m tired of bringing up this past stuff …yet I will never vacillate in distaste of John Paxson as a Basketball executive
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Feb 16, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
4-Ever till I or Paxson really really retires .. 4-real
Bush Sr. and Clinton also ain’t without excuse!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Hmm
actually I do blame Bush for a lot of it lol
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
If...
Tyrus hasn’t grown up, he never will. He’s a head case….p-p-p-p-eace Ty!
Vinny...you look confused
McGrady to Bulls brewing?
Tyrus wanted by Spurs and Phoenix
Kirk only possibility is Celtics, Lakers just doesn’t make any sense … Phil has no need for
and ball-hog in the triangle.
Which deal will happen? if any?
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
correction: no need for a "ball dominant" point guard in the triangle offense
LA just wants to unload Sasha’s contract for a better player (Kirk). No way an advantage to the Bulls!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
I wouldn't say he's ball dominant either.
He’s proven that he’s capable of playing off the ball. And I think the Lakers would like to have another ball-handler on the court aside from Kobe if only to increase their transition opportunities. After the initial break, he could then simply run to the corner and be the spot-up shooter they want. That’s all that Derek Fisher does, except Hinrich’s a better shooter and a much much better defender.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 17, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
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