What are your Expectations of Tyrus Post-Bulls?
by leeac on Feb 15, 2010 2:24 PM CST
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PrintI think I asked some form of this question last year as a Tyrus critic, but would like to get some of your current thoughts based on the upcoming trade deadline...
The Tyrus supporters continue to hound on the organizations lack of ability to develop Tyrus’ potential. I think everyone here on this blog realizes that Tyrus has tremendous athleticism which typically translate into potential, which ‘could’ develop into skill. At the Tyrus’ current state, I would say he’s stuck somewhere between athleticism and potential, and has only occasionally broken out with skill to match expectations. My questions is, when is enough ‘enough’? At what hypothetical point do the Tyrus supporters give in and say, “this kid just doesn’t get it?” Under the assumption that Tyrus is traded this week, and he goes to another team with what many are calling, a “real” coach, I, for one, am anxious to see the outcome. Not because I want to see Tyrus do poorly, but I really want to see how he is able to perform outside of the Bulls organization to finally put to rest this debate on Thomas.
As a Bulls fan, I would have loved to have seen him do well here, and I still would not mind him exceeding his last 4 years performance at his next destination. If Tyrus is successful on his next team, and is able to earn himself solid minutes, and able to propel himself to somewhere near his lofty expectations in Chicago, I’ll be the first to admit that I was wrong about him, and that maybe (MAYBE) there were some elements here in Chicago’s organization that were not conducive to his success. HOWEVER, if he spends the next few years struggling to earn minutes, or bounces around from team to team as a 7ppg/5rpg headcase, earning himself a poor reputation in this league, then will all the Tyrus supporters readily agree that perhaps Tyrus himself is more at blame in this situation than the Bulls organization? Or will a future failure on Tyrus’ part cause the Tyrus supporters to lament that these NBA organizations do not know how to properly handle sensitve personalities like Tyrus’? Or that these other teams don’t realize the potential and still aren’t giving Tyrus his deserved minutes to prove his worth? Or that the Bulls somehow screwed up Tyrus so badly that he was permanently damaged developmentally?
It’s a debate that could last at least the next couple of years, and maybe more. Needless to say there will be a lot of Bulls fans watching Tyrus on his next team. Personally, I would set a reasonable bar for Tyrus for the next few years on his new team to allow him to adjust. Perhaps in the range of his 2008 season when he was getting 27 mpg, 10.9ppg, 6.4rpg. If he could match those 2008 numbers on this next team in his first season with them, and perhaps elevate himself over the next few years to 30-32mpg, I would like to see him in the 15ppg, 7-8rpg average (a couple blocks per game) on his next team. Nothing spectacular. Nothing outrageous. If on his next team, he can CONSISTENTLY convince his next coach to keep him on the court for those type minutes, CONSISTENTLY achieve those type stats, help his team win, not pull any handguns on his teammates, I will readily admit that the Bulls organization was perhaps the major reason for his uninspired performance here in Chicago (whether it be poor handling, poor coaching, inability to inspire, etc…). However, if he is unable to attain that type of consistency elsewhere in this league, are the Tyrus supporters just as willing to step forward and discuss the possibility that Tyrus was more of the problem than they cared to admit?
Some may point at my future Tyrus expectations and correctly calculate that a simple increase in Tyrus' minutes on the Bulls would have mathematically resulted in those types of numbers, but the kicker here is that Tyrus has to be on the court for those minutes in order to get those numbers (something he was unable to do here, be it his own doing or the organizations, or a combination of both).
What are your thoughts/ expectations for Tyrus on his next team(s) over the next few years? What would make you think twice about your current pro-Tyrus or anti-Tyrus stance?
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i am speaking for myself of course, but if tyrus were to go on to average 25/10 on some
other team i would never say, “see, you guys were fools, this is proof he should have been playing more and starting for the last 3 years” because i already know those things. likewise, if he goes on to play 20 mins a game and average 5/4 that wont mean anything to me since it has no bearing on the fact that he is the best PF on the team now and should have been starting anyways for the last 2 years.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 15, 2010 2:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
most assuredly agreed
Life doesn’t always have to be a pissing contest. Thomas was the best PF on this team the past three years. When he got minutes, he usually performed. He was been the clutch player for this team in important games on more than one occasion. He should have been starting more and this question shouldn’t have ever needed to be asked.*
*I’m not saying leeac shouldn’t have asked it, if I’m making sense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think
the point of the question is to try to extrapolate what happened during Tyrus’ tenure here on the Bulls based on his future performance with other teams. I think it would be very eye opening for Tyrus to finish up his career as a 15mpg 5/4 guy elsewhere. Again, ability to stay on the remains one of the core (and sore) points at the center of this debate – Although Taj’s name will come up, I don’t think the intention was to turn this into a Tyrus vs. Taj issue (that issue is . If the man cannot stay on the court, he cannot help his team. If Tyrus cannot stay on the court for OTHER teams, is it really a Bulls issue, or is it a Tyrus issue?
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
I don't understand. You want us to further speculate what it would mean if something happens but doesn't happen...
…but does happen?
There have already been some (kelly dwyer) who speculate that the Bulls screwed Thomas up already. No one will see him as a potential project as he once was and give him the minutes and development he needs. I don’t think any of us think that how we are raised (in this case, as a man, as a young person, as a young project basketball player) doesn’t have any bearing on how we turn out.
I don’t think it’s possible to get the conclusion you want, especially preemptively.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Isn't speculation what we do best around here?
If you are unwilling to try to tie Tyrus’ future performance to his tenure here as a Bull, then that would be your answer. I think your justification that he is already screwed up is a valid opinion. But at 23 years old, I don’t think there would be a single potential suitor that isn’t salivating at the mouth thinking about how they’re going to fix/develop Thomas. His athhleticism is a fact. His potential is untapped. I think he gets a VERY fair chance to develop on another team. That’s why I’m at least willing to discuss that I can be wrong if Tyrus can prove me wrong.
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
i think youre still confused. tyrus can not possibly do anything in the future to prove you
right or wrong for thinking he shouldnt start/get big minutes now or for the last 2-3 years.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I'm pretty sure I'm not confused
Nor did I ever say that Tyrus should/ shouldn’t be starting or playing big minutes right now. And I think that you’re still missing the point of the post. There are PLENTY of things that Tyrus can do with his chance with a new team that can reflect back on what happened in his time as a Bull. Yet you seem to keep wanting to dwell on your knowledge that Tyrus should be starting now and playing big minutes now. I’d like to dig a little deeper as to WHY he’s not starting now and playing big minutes now, and if we’ll ever really be able to figure it out. My guess is that his future performance will help answer these questions… does THAT clear up any of the ‘confusion’?
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
I keep open the possibility that...
your answer is correct. But is it 100% VDN?
Assuming the “Bulls Organization” and “VDN” are one in the same, what percentage is it “VDN/Bulls” fault vs. “Tyrus’ Fault” for the current predicament?…
To give you an idea of my (arguably distorted) perception, I would be at VDN/Bulls=20%, Tyrus=80% responsibility.
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
Dude
The bulls have an injured roster ….playing brad miller 40 mins a night aint gona fix anything…the bulls need to start Tyrus and play him big minutes…Arguing about the bulls management vs tyrus past aint gona change the fact that the ovious is the bulls need tyrus to play big minutes on the court NOW. Hence the reason why VDN is mostly at fault here …and trust me on this one Tyrus will not start as a bull ever again!!
no. im more confused now. so tyrus goes to another team, plays 36 mins a night
and averages 15/8 (in other words, what he would be doing here if he played that much). what have you learned exactly? that someone will play him 36 mins a night? is that really what this post was for?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
No one wants to reward people they dislike.
I can only assume that the The coaching staff has a problem with Tyrus, and not just this one. Whether that’s Ty’s fault or not, I have not the slightest idea.
by BigBabyCollin on Feb 16, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
In some respects you're getting a little closer...
if this were multiple choice you would almost be there.
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
youre right. there are a lot of posts and comments and articles and junk
to read and in the interest of time i skim very quickly which sometimes means i flub the read. which is exactly what happened here.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
* type-o's
- “remain on the court”
- “(that issue is covered in several other posts)”
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
its a non-issue. like i already said, it doesnt change a thing.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
You are absolutely correct
in that is is not an issue (at least it is no longer an issue). It’s really question. That’s why it was asked. It wasn’t meant to change anything, but to provide some insight into what (and how) people think. And it’s working.
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
of course your question doesnt change anything. but im also saying that whatever tyrus
does in the future, it doesnt affect the “should tyrus start/get big minutes” debate at all.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
and "ability to stay on the court" was never the issue. i think you have him confused with mike sweetney.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 15, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"If the man can't stay on the court, he cannot help his team"
Are you talking about Tyrus or Taj?
The only time Tyrus ever seems to get extended minutes is because Gibson is a foul commiting machine for which I’m grateful. As I understand it, there is a limit to how many fouls a player is allowed to accumulate before he has to hit the bench. Do you consider Taj’s proclivity to commit so many infractions a detriment to the team since it winds up putting the other team on the line more often, which is crucial in close games? Do you view Tyrus’s shot blocking ability and team leading steal rate (3 times that of Taj) to be an asset or detriment to winning and maybe a reason to have him get more minutes as an effective help defender?
These are areas he already excels, yet he never gets to close out games. I guess Vinny is impressed with veteran savvy when a 7 footer gets one rebound in 33 minutes and than another in the final 19 minutes in a game where the Bulls were being crfushed on the boards, while going 1 for 7 for the game. (this was the night when TT blew his top). We can’t have the Bull with the 2nd highest FG % in there at crunch time firing up those long 17-23 foot jumpers at a 45% clip (highest on the team) now, can’t we?
If Tyrus can’t stay on the court with other teams you may turn out to be right, but he’s only 23 and therefore has more time to elevate his game than our currently injury riddled fading rookie.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 15, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Fine then let me ask you this?
What would it take for you to say “oh I was wrong, Tyrus is simply incapable of realizing his potential and it wasn’t the fault of the organization for his failure to develop”?
i dont really think much about his potential and the bulls failure to develop it.
your question is one to ask some other people on this site.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Why does it have to be one or another? They've failed each other.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 15, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I would say
There have been mistakes made on both parts to lead to this point.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I agree
Both sides have screwed up. The Bulls clearly did not handle TT in the best possible way. That said, I’m really not sure that even if they did do everything right that he would’ve panned out.
I have no idea if Tyrus will ever reach his potential, since I don't think anyone, including Tyrus knows what that potential is.
But if he and Taj were mountain climbers heading up a 20,000 foot summit trying to reach the peak, I do know that after the journey was completed, no matter at what point that would be, Tyrus would definitely be looking down at Gibson’s bald dome, that is if he could see that far down from the elevation he had achieved.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 15, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Solid player, just short of All-Star
I would expect him to put up similar numbers to those he had after Gooden’s was injured last year……16/8 on 50%+ shooting, with some great blocks and spectacular plays mixed in.
The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999
I finally found an example of a big talent who was mishandled for 3+ years and became a star:
Gerald Wallace. He went to college for one year like Tyrus did, then he got completely buried for three years in Sacramento. Year 4 he gets picked up by Charlotte, and now he’s an all-star. That scares me that there’s a precedent.
Didn't Jermaine Oneal follow a similar career path.
He was buried on the Portland bench for quite a while.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
maybe because
All of Portland’s players are talented. You can’t play everyone.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
serious question:
if i whisper to myself, “greg oden is a bust” will one of you guys immediately show up at my door?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 15, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
somewhat true
But the problem is portland put so much value on thier talent (bayless, rudy, mills) etc…and make impossible for teams to trade with them…and then after all this…only play those guys 10 mins a night…if lucky …i mean it just pisses me off just like the bulls piss me off not playing guys minutes they deserve…So what im trying to get at is…I HATE PORTLAND
yes I know.
The fan base over values everyone. I thought the same thing, but when all these injuries happened, and our 2nd-3rd string guys became starters and we’re still in the midst of the play-offs.. Maybe it wasn’t over valuing and maybe some of these guys are actually good.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
Hmmm.... this is interesting.
I was told players break out by the 3rd year.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Tyrus did break out in his 3rd year
in hives that is, because of his proximity to Vinny’s hair spray.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 15, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If he’s on the right team with a good coach, he will top off at 16/9 with 2 blocks and 2 steals. Not an all-star but a strong starter. Pretty a Marion in his prime type player even tho Marion was an Allstar a few times…a stat stuffer
At worst, an energy bench player getting 25 minutes 12/7 with 2 blocks
Either way, he will be a good player, it depends whether he is just good or very good. I don’t think he will suck.
The problem with this post
is that TT is a solid NBA starter … RIGHT NOW. If he was given 36 minutes a game he’d be putting up 16/9/2/2 averages.
All the team that gets him really has to do is play him more. He doesn’t even need to improve [even though he probably will].
The other thing is that there’s no way for anyone here to know what happened. You can rationalize everything you want. The likely scenario, given the Bulls’ incompetence in other areas, seems to me to be that they grossly mishandled him. Maybe he would’ve screwed up anyways, who knows? I can’t tell the future, and I can’t make up the possible past! I am not psychic! I only have ESPN. [Channel 3 on Comcast – channel 24 is ESPN 2, and they start to get into that, but not deep enough.]
Lemme show you something with your stupid arguments here:
It’s a debate that could last at least the next couple of years, and maybe more. Needless to say there will be a lot of Bulls fans watching Tyrus on his next team. Personally, I would set a reasonable bar for Tyrus for the next few years on his new team to allow him to adjust. Perhaps in the range of his 2008 season when he was getting 27 mpg, 10.9ppg, 6.4rpg. If he could match those 2008 numbers on this next team in his first season with them, and perhaps elevate himself over the next few years to 30-32mpg, I would like to see him in the 15ppg, 7-8rpg average (a couple blocks per game) on his next team. Nothing spectacular. Nothing outrageous. If on his next team, he can CONSISTENTLY convince his next coach to keep him on the court for those type minutes, CONSISTENTLY achieve those type stats, help his team win, not pull any handguns on his teammates, I will readily admit that the Bulls organization was perhaps the major reason for his uninspired performance here in Chicago (whether it be poor handling, poor coaching, inability to inspire, etc…). However, if he is unable to attain that type of consistency elsewhere in this league, are the Tyrus supporters just as willing to step forward and discuss the possibility that Tyrus was more of the problem than they cared to admit?
See, if he gets better stats somewhere else, it’s proof that he could’ve done the same in Chicago if it was more like the other place – I don’t see any ‘TT sucks and it’s his fault!!!’ rationalization you could have, maybe that he matured because the Bulls cut him? If he gets horrible stats somewhere else, Chicago could have just screwed him up. With arguments like this that are completely devoid from the world of statistics and, ya know, measurable things, there isn’t really a way to prove one side or the other logically.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
You can't just take a guy's per 36 min averages and extrapolate them.
Exhibit A: Michael Sweetney
I think what this post is asking is that what if Tyrus goes somewhere else, gets significant minutes and doesn’t produce. What then?
Michael Sweetney is about the only exhibit.
I think it’s pretty easy to understand why Sweetney couldn’t. It’s not a problem Thomas has.
Just about everyone else does. There have been studies on this. Oh well.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Question:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomaty01.html
What is the difference between Thomas’s rookie year, Thomas’s third year, and this year?
Rookie year: 6 fouls per 36. Can’t play too much, has to sit a bunch.
Last year: player 27 minutes a game, stats roughly the same, only less fouls.
This year: stats roughly the same, only 13 minutes a game.
Basically, tyger’s right. I remember reading it. I don’t remember the site.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
So, whatever, don't accept the argument until someone finds the study.
I hope someone does, I wish I knew where it was, heh.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Well,
it’s a difficult nut to crack, and there will be no black and white answers, just speculation. I was thinking the clearest cut scenario (if there is one) would be Tyrus bouncing around the league as a mediocre headcase – which would lend support to the Tyrus = bad teammate = uncoachable theories. My personal inclination is that the Bulls haven’t rendered Tyrus FUBAR just yet at 23 years of age, and that his next stop(s) will provide some valuable insight into his basketball makeup. If he can bounce back, and exceed his play (minutes, states, etc…) that he had here in Chicago, I’m more inclined to give Tyrus the benefit of the doubt that he was handled incorrectly by this organization, and other organizations were more better equipped to deal with his ‘personality’, and to work his athleticism into the gameplan.
You indicate that Tyrus at 36mpg would average 16/9/2/2 this season, however, there are obviously some set of circumstances here on the Bulls that prohibit Tyrus from averaging 36mpg. If Tyrus can OVERCOME those circumstances on another team and achieve those minutes and those (or better) averages elsewhere, that would be damning evidence that the Bulls organization was unable to resolve a set of circumstances that hindered the performance of their player.
It’s not foolproof ‘logic’ (there are too many factors that could be involved), but it’s something that can be asked. ..
What would it take for you to change your tune on your current Tyrus stance?
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
Good argument
My only argument is that bulls need TT to get more minutes now due to injuries. The future doesnt really matter to me as much as what the teams needs now.. the team doesnt need miller /ricahards/TAJ having more minutes than TT.
Yeah, first I made a stupid argument, and then I said that your stupid argument didn't work.
Which was great in hindsight. Sorry, I’m kind of sick and out of it.
My point, though, was that both sides have easy rationalization to justify their sides of the argument, even after he leaves. So it is, essentially, an unwinnable argument.
I guess if TT pulled an Arenas I’d probably disown him. If he went to a really good organization, say the Spurs/Thunder/Rockets/etc., and completely flamed out, I’d probably still blame the Bulls for being dumb and destroying his self/confidence and etc. [one year of organized basketball before he was drafted?!?], though I still wouldn’t know if it was Tyrus’s fault or the Bulls’ fault.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
If Del Negro could overcome those circumstances.
What is it about Del Negro that leads you to believe he’s a leader of men?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 15, 2010 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
His way with words.
Well, the few words he knows, anyways.
by Will Perdue's Pinky Ring on Feb 16, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
What would it take for you to change your tune?
To say he was completely blameless?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm not sure if...
I could ever believe he was completely 100% blameless. Nor could I believe that the Bulls organization was 100% blameless. But true or not, when I hear about incidents like Tyrus refusing to sprint during games (Skiles), premeditated absences from practice (Boylan), blowing up at the head coach (Del Negro), it reeks of extended stays in le chateau dog house. But for me to change my tune on Thomas?… I’m sure I could do a turnaround in a few years if he stays a model citizen with his new team, earns playing time and outperforms what he did here with the Bulls.
"The word ‘potential’ doesn’t mean much to me. You have to maximize your skills and ability. Potential is just a smokescreen. You have to prove you’re real in order to earn all the praise." - Tyrus Thomas
I will keep this short and sweet
If he gets 32+ minutes a night I expect something like 18/9/4/2.5
There may be some disagreements that we have with Tyrus. But we can all agree on one thing.
That we all want to punch the fuck out of VDN.
by T.Moore on Feb 15, 2010 10:12 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Depends on where he goes
If he goes somewhere as a role player (such as San Antonio) where unless he’s got an ego problem or is crazy, and he accepts his role as the “around-the-rim-tip-dunk-block-shot-rebound” guy, he can excel. I think that having guys like Duncan, Parker and Popovich will make sure he knows his role and exclusively plays to his strengths. In such a role, assuming he starts or is the 6th/7th guy, I think he’ll be a 15 pts/8 rebs/2 blks/1.5 stls guy. And then, were such a team to re-sign him to an extension, he could reach all-star levels after the veterans retire.
However, if he goes to another team like the Bulls with no clear “alpha-dog(s)” (though Rose is changing that this season), where he could continue thinking he’s a SF/SG & a primary option and only play to his strengths in short spurts rather than all the time, then I don’t think we’ll see much difference from what’s going on now. He lacks the discipline in his game to truly harness is unique and almost unparalleled athleticism, and unfortunately he doesn’t respect anyone in the Bulls organization to do the discipline for him – or, probably more likely, they refuse to even try*.
- And by this I reference VDN’s occasional quote talking about Tyrus’ green light from 15+ feet out.
If Tyrus fell off of the earth for a while, my expectations of the bulls are about the same.
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
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