Tyrus to MN? Lots of other Bulls Rumors...
Man, the Bulls are really active in talks at the deadline...this link has Tyrus Thomas stuff, Kirk Hinrich stuff and chatter about plenty of potential deals...(personally, I like the idea of grabbing Scola somehow, since he will be a RFA this summer)
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Scola would be awesome.
They could do with him what they should be doing with Thomas (in my opinion, of course). Keep the RFA rights until they need to sign a better PF or a deadline or whatever. It would virtually guarantee them a big upgrade at PF for at least the next couple of years. Although some might find that debatable.
The Bulls are going to be big losers over the next year.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That holier-than-thou pessimism doesn't get old
wait it does
by NittanyCub on Feb 15, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Your sarcasm is clever.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
yeah, not sure how Scola came up
on the other hand, if the Wolves really are serious about moving Al Jeff for a SF, why not get Deng involved in this? sure Big Al has his flaws, but he would be valuable in any sign and trade if we were fortunate enough to interest Bosh/Wade. and worst case scenario, you keep him and have him and Noah in your frontcourt. Al is making more than Deng, but move Kirk/Salmons, and the cap space will still be there.
Scola was not mentioned.
I took the Scola talk from yesterday’s rumor.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 15, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Woj seems certain that Al Jefferson is leaving the Wolves
Once the Timberwolves trade Al Jefferson(notes) this summer, they can re-sign Thomas and plug him into the frontline with Kevin Love(notes). Jefferson is expected to be traded for a talented, young small forward.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
Yeah, I'm curious how he writes that as a forgone conclusion
But Adrian Woj seems to write when he is mostly sure on something, not that I take anything as gospel that I read.
But interesting, nonetheless.
All your base are belong to Vinny.
Might
Deng be a talented, young small forward?
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 15, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Classic Org Move
one Eastern Conference general manager who had been told the elements of the package included Thomas and Vujacic to Portland, the Bulls’ Kirk Hinrich(notes) to Los Angeles and the Lakers’ Adam Morrison(notes), another expiring deal and a first-round pick to the Bulls.
It sounds like bullshit to me, but would it not be a classic move to deal two high lottery picks for Adam Morrison, another expiring deal, and a low first round pick?
Cue gullable fan rationalizing…. but think of all the space we have now!! We might be able to bring in Wade and Bosh!!!! That would be unbelieva-BULL!!!
The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999
So you enjoy being average?
Because that’s what keeping those two high lottery picks around does for you.
No one thinks it is a given the free agents would come, but they would rather the team have a chance to get them instead of just accepting being mediocre. Nothing gullible about not wanting to be middle of the road. Far better to fail, trying to be great, then settling for .500.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 15, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Reinsdorf's Cup of Tea
That’s a good fan….have faith in the Bulls to swing for the fences and hit a grand slam. Just what Reinsdorf loves. Selling hope.
I’ve got an idea…..how about living in reality instead of the what-ifs that never come true for the Bulls? How about resigning Ben Gordon and paying the LT for one year because you are being punished for the Ben Wallace contract? How about bringing in Carlos Boozer when he is readily available, and again paying the LT? How about making a real move for Amare Stoudemire? Or how about going all out to develop Tyrus Thomas because you recognize that Vinny isn’t doing it?
But no, instead we’ll sell hope for that 2010 summer. That’s right, we’ll sure be in the arena. The Bulls will be major players on the free agent market. We could get LeBron! Maybe Wade! Maybe Bosh! Maybe Joe Johnson! Dare to be great! Just like we were with T-Mac, and Duncan, and Grant Hill………
The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999
by nateroth on Feb 15, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not even about having faith.
It’s about demanding more then being in the middle.
I’m living in the reality that right now we are average, being average is not acceptable. If we don’t trade enough guys to get cap space, we’ll still be average. If we fail, so be it, at least they tried. I’ll take that from my front office any day over what we have right now.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 15, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Perfect is the Enemy of the Good with this Team
I share your frustration, especially about this being a lost year. But the Bulls could make moves to improve the team but that would cost a lot of money and they are unwilling to do that. They are selling it as they are going for “flexibility” to make the big moves that might be available.
In the 1% chance that Wade or Bosh do want to come here, then yes, it would be a good move. But why not make a different move that is on the table now? Obviously Boozer would not be as good of a get as Wade, but why not take the 100% certainty of Boozer instead of the low probability of Wade? Same with Amare.
Spend money to try to make the team better. We have supported the team, led the league in profits, etc. Instead this front office tries to sell hope that brighter days are right around the corner.
The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999
How do you know we have what the Suns want?
Or that we haven’t tried? I have no way to know that we haven’t offered a decent offer for Amare. Unless you are in the room when it happens, what you read in the media is only speculation.
Sure getting Amare now or or Boozer would be fine. I’m just saying, to not trade away our guys now would be stupid. They aren’t going to help us win anything worth winning. If that means you get Amare back all the better, but I have no reason to believe they haven’t entertained the idea. It’s a two way street.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 15, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Sarver wants
payroll deductions. This is well known.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Feb 15, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yes..
But he can choose which payroll deductions he gets. There could be better options then what the Bulls have (in his opinion).
by Grinder in Training on Feb 15, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Well
"What has, or will kill this," one GM said, "is that Portland just won’t take Vujacic on."
The Lakers guard is owed $5.5 million next season.
It’s better than the 9 owed to Kurt next year
Odd is the fact
That Portland would be the facilitator to getting Kurt in Los Angeles…. a bitter rival.
But I guess desperation for a big man in an injury-filled season (when you are trying hard to win now) will do that. But I still don’t see Portland helping LA get stronger…
All your base are belong to Vinny.
well
Kurt is a LOT better than Vujacic, in my opinion. Both are still horribly overpaid.
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2010 All-Star.
And more to come. Derrick Rose.
I'd still be shocked if they move Hinrich
I don’t see how him or Salmons going is ‘Org. as usual’…it’d be an actual plan for this summer. Or at least the opportunity to plan.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 15, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Chad Ford expanded on what the trade would entail in an Insider article today
Here’s one potential solution: The word out of the All-Star Game late Sunday had the Lakers recruiting the Portland Trail Blazers as a third team in trade talks with the Bulls. According to one source familiar with the discussions, the Lakers would get Hinrich, the Bulls would get Adam Morrison, Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw and Juwan Howard, and the Blazers would land Tyrus Thomas and Sasha Vujacic. Such a deal would lessen the amount of money the Lakers would be adding to their payroll next season.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeWatch-100215
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
And where is that "middling first rounder" the Bulls are demanding?
Ehh, either way, if this happens and they could somehow unload Salmons, I would be on cloud nine
Off the top of my head
Portland has an extra late first rounder this year, or at the very least, a ton of extra second round picks. Lakers traded their first rounder for this year in the Gasol trade.
And yeah, this makes sense for all sides except Portland taking on Vujacic’s contract, which I understand is the only sticking point.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Oh, and related to that
Houston is still interested in Miller, so assuming they don’t get Iguodala/Dalembert or Jamison with McGrady, I’d wager they’d look at a Salmons/Miller for McGrady deal.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I just don't see it happening
Unless they think Miller takes them to the Finals this year, which would just be dumb.
Apparently Adelman still likes Miller in his offense
Which is the primary force behind it (besides the fact that they have no size whatsoever). It’s a pretty marginal move, yes, but I don’t think Morey is looking for a Gasol trade in this case.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I could see it
if the Rockets REALLY wanted to get rid of McGrady, but everything I’ve heard says that they are content with letting McGrady go after the season.
Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2007. NCAA Tournament South Region MVP 2008. First Overall Pick in 2008 Draft. 2009 Rookie of the Year, 1st Team All-Rookie. Tied for Most Points by a Rookie in First Playoff Game (36), Second Player Ever With 35 points and 10 assists in playoff debut (Chris Paul).
2010 All-Star.
And more to come. Derrick Rose.
Interesting that the Bulls actually save money this season
Despite taking on four new players (two extra on roster).
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk94bg8
That’s having four expiring contracts while giving away Tyrus’. That really will strip down next year’s roster, and also will not really bring in any other attractive big “pieces” to drag other FAs to the bulls.
Also, I’m still not sold on Portland’s involvement here. Why would they help the Lakers, the team most likely to kick their asses out of the playoffs this year? Plus, Portland would ship out Outlaw/Howard and gain a guard they don’t want… when they need more bigs? I thought they were really happy with Juwan Howard stepping up?
All your base are belong to Vinny.
Wow, that's interesting.
I’ll take it. If the Bulls get the Blazers’ late first and a single 2nd rounder, I’ll take it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah, give me that 1st rounder and the Bulls can Sherron Collins and Xavier Henry or Greg Monroe...
….depending on who they want to target in the off-season.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I like Sherron Collins
but Henry and Monroe would be much bigger needs, at least based off of the current Bulls’ roster.
Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2007. NCAA Tournament South Region MVP 2008. First Overall Pick in 2008 Draft. 2009 Rookie of the Year, 1st Team All-Rookie. Tied for Most Points by a Rookie in First Playoff Game (36), Second Player Ever With 35 points and 10 assists in playoff debut (Chris Paul).
2010 All-Star.
And more to come. Derrick Rose.
Not if you get Joe Johnson, Dwyane Wade, or Chris Bosh.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
that's why
I said “based off the current Bull’s roster.”
Our need for a back up pg, right now, is much lower than our need for a shooting guard and/or a post scorer.
Wade and Bosh fill those roles nicely. =)
Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2007. NCAA Tournament South Region MVP 2008. First Overall Pick in 2008 Draft. 2009 Rookie of the Year, 1st Team All-Rookie. Tied for Most Points by a Rookie in First Playoff Game (36), Second Player Ever With 35 points and 10 assists in playoff debut (Chris Paul).
2010 All-Star.
And more to come. Derrick Rose.
ok ppl lets not get ahead of ourselves
any move that portland is involved…and where all teams benefit….WILL NOT HAPPEN
by rick_ross on Feb 15, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Portland drafted Oden over Durant
WHAMMY!
by messwiththebull on Feb 15, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Imagine
if they had Durant instead of Oden right now. They’d be a title contender…
Durant/Roy/Andre Miller/Aldridge/Webster/etc
Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2007. NCAA Tournament South Region MVP 2008. First Overall Pick in 2008 Draft. 2009 Rookie of the Year, 1st Team All-Rookie. Tied for Most Points by a Rookie in First Playoff Game (36), Second Player Ever With 35 points and 10 assists in playoff debut (Chris Paul).
2010 All-Star.
And more to come. Derrick Rose.
Imagine if they didn't trade the right to draft Chris Paul
For the right to draft Martell Webster
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 16, 2010 12:57 AM CST up reply actions
head explodes
Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2007. NCAA Tournament South Region MVP 2008. First Overall Pick in 2008 Draft. 2009 Rookie of the Year, 1st Team All-Rookie. Tied for Most Points by a Rookie in First Playoff Game (36), Second Player Ever With 35 points and 10 assists in playoff debut (Chris Paul).
2010 All-Star.
And more to come. Derrick Rose.
If Deng is no longer untouchable
And Minnesota wants a good SF, doesn’t it make sense to go for Jefferson? I think someone mentioned this further up, or hinted at it.
Why the hell would Minnesota get rid of their best player for Tyrus?
1. But humoring the idea…in the Trade Machine, Kirk+Tyrus works straight up for AlJeff.
2. But, seriously, the only way that trade doesn’t get Minnesota’s GM fired is if someone else of quality is thrown in: probably NOAH (since good young centers are hard to come by).
3. Deng+Tyrus for AlJeff +$9K in cash also works.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Feb 16, 2010 5:36 AM CST reply actions
Minnesota also may want to weaken their team to improve their chances in the lottery.
John Wall.
If Minnesota got 3 starters from the Bulls for AlJeff, then with another high lottery pick would pretty much complete the team and make them much better than they are now.
…
Minnesota is 13-40 right now…a record which is WORST in the Western Conference, 2nd worst record in the entire league. That might be reason enough to shake things up.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Feb 16, 2010 5:50 AM CST up reply actions
John Wall could solidify David Kahn's goal of having 5 point guards in the starting lineup.
Rubio, Kirk, Wall, Sessions, Flynn.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 16, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
in all honesty
I would not fuck with that. That’s a whole hell of a lot of THRUST.
Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2007. NCAA Tournament South Region MVP 2008. First Overall Pick in 2008 Draft. 2009 Rookie of the Year, 1st Team All-Rookie. Tied for Most Points by a Rookie in First Playoff Game (36), Second Player Ever With 35 points and 10 assists in playoff debut (Chris Paul).
2010 All-Star.
And more to come. Derrick Rose.
3-team trade with Lakers & T-wolves
Now that it looks like Portland will no longer be a possible destination for Tyrus, how about this 3-team trade that also involves sending Kirk to the Lakers?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzd7j92
Bulls get:
Cardinal (from T-wolves) – expiring
Morrison (from Lakers) – expiring
Farmer (from Lakers) – expiring
Mid-1st round pick (from T-wolves) – Charlotte owes lottery-protected pick to T-wolves
Lakers get:
Hinrich (from Bulls)
Pavlovic (from T-wolves) – expiring
Pecherov (from T-wolves) – expiring
T-wolves get:
Tyrus (from Bulls)
Vujacic (from Lakers)
2nd-round pick (from Lakers)
This is possible but
it all goes down to ….Will lakers play the TAX? ….all teams benefit ..but money talks alot
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