Rose injures hip in Bulls loss to Magic
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2010 12:26 PM CST
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Print[UPDATE by your friendly BullsBlogger, 02/11/10 12:25 PM CST: Rose MRI shows no significant injury, and he's heading to Dallas.]
Nothing to say about the game, when Rose and Noah don't play, that's a pretty expected result.
The big news is Derrick Rose leaving the game in the 1st quarter, falling hard after a foul by Dwight Howard. The price of those FTAs we all clamor for, I guess.
KC Johnson with the latest report I could find:
Rose retreated to the locker room, where initial X-rays were negative. Athletic trainer Fred Tedeschi said the team still hasn't ruled out a fracture completely but that it looks unlikely.
Rose left the United Center before game's end to get an MRI on his hip and didn't address reporters.
Neither Tedeschi nor coach Vinny Del Negro would speculate on Rose's status for this weekend's All-Star festivities. Rose is scheduled to defend his Skills Challenge title Saturday night and participate in his first All-Star Game on Sunday.
"I've seen these contusions go both ways," Tedeschi said. "If there isn't much inflammation, we can be optimistic. If there are things going on in the MRI, we'll deal with them."
Here's to hoping Rose can still make the All-Star weekend, we need him hanging with the stars of the league, telling them how neato it is to be a Chicago Bull.
In other news, here's the latest on the Tyrus Thomas trade front.
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W/o Rose and Noah the Bulls become the D-league all-star team. Just good enough not to get blown out by 30.
pretty much
i stopped after the 1st quarter to eat dinner, and then watched till halftime. then i wondered why i was watching it still.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Yep..
How many teams out there are still decent if their two best players are hurt?
by Grinder in Training on Feb 11, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Um Lakers
Just whupped the red hot Jazz, despite AK47 and DWill’s seemingly solid game. I was shocked by that one.
And Deng’s our second best player. Noah’s a good player, but Deng’s the guy that team’s have to game plan around…..
Though I like Noah more.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
We clearly aren't as good as the Lakers.
I think that’s kind of the point. Only a select few elite teams could play well with out their best players, or 2 of three best if you prefer Deng over Noah.
I feel it’s easier to replace Deng’s production at SF with Salmons, then it is to replace what Noah does, but I can’t really argue that Deng isn’t the better player.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 11, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I get the point
But I was just saying that….
I feel it’s easier to replace Deng with Salmons too….but I still would say Deng’s the #2 to Noah. It’s just harder to find a good C these days.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Its very hard
to replace Rose’s production w/ the Captain.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 11, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
It's more like replacing rose with salmons/pargo
Since Kirk starts anyways
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 11, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Kirk slides
over to the point w/ Salmons or Pargo
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 11, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
That is the funniest nickname around here by far
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Actually Deng is
the 2nd best player on the Bulls.
A team like the Nuggets can lose their best player and still hold up very well.
As can the Lakers.
Even a team like Portland, all ready sans Oden, Pryz, recently had Roy miss games, but they were still competitive in most of their losses.
Again, I said,
Just good enough not to get blown out by 30.The Bulls roster is horrible and they’d likely get spanked by a non-elite team w/o Rose and Noah. Remember when they lost to a team with 8 players; 3 of them D-League call-ups?
I think this guy agrees with you
“Quite honestly, without Derrick, they’re a little easier to defend,” Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said before correcting himself. “Not a little easier.”
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Feb 11, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Oh noes!
We have to trust THIS training staff?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Could be worse
We could be entrusting him to either the Cubs or Bears training staff.
Even worse yet, he could be in the care of the Bulls sta…
…
Crap.
Already sick of the oft-injured Rose.
Can we trade for Ricky Rubio already?
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Feb 11, 2010 8:54 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I hope this
injury isn’t bad, this is the type of thing that’ll allow management to say “We need to keep Kirk”, when we need Kirk to GO!!!!!!!!!!!, did you see the GREAT CAPTAIN lead us to a blow out loss and disappeared for the entire game.
Rose goes down and we do nothing
I’ll admit I didn’t see the game only the drive in which he was bodied by Dwight Howard, but I also did not see any indignation or uproar by his teamates, and it seems that they proceeded to lay down for the whipping that followed. Now if this is the old Bulls and if MJ of Scottie had went down like that, hard fouls for this entire game is now in order, if this is a team of wimps then we need to make some changes, Howard was bragging after the game about how he ran into Superman. Heartless is no way to go through life and I surely don’t want that quality on my team. This is your Star and you don’t let that go Unchecked, Ever.
by sugarbear06 on Feb 11, 2010 9:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well.. the guy with the most heart on our team
Was also hurt, so it wasn’t much of a surprise really. Noah is the only type on this team to do something like that.
Dwight Howard is a pretty clean player though, with his size, and Rose coming in for the contact, I don’t know how mad you should be at Howard.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 11, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
definitely was just an accident
it was totally a play for a ball, and dwight’s a big dude. the lowering of his arm was what did it, but it wasn’t a dirty play.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Exactly, Howard's postgame comment may have been dumb.
But, he probably thought it was funny. Asking for retaliation is petty and dumb.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 11, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
manning up
protecting your basket in same intensity is dumb and petty?
by sugarbear06 on Feb 11, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Are you serious?
Who on the Chicago Bulls can protect the basket with the same intensity as a Dwight Howard?
by Grinder in Training on Feb 11, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
how dare you
it’s the ‘Bang Gang’. That’s WAY less suggestive.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
I really have to explain the difference?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 11, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
"Heartless is no way to go through life "
it’s a way to blog, however.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
someone agrees with you
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Orlando can do that to anyone though....
They’re streaky shooters were hitting everything early and then the 1st quarter lead was huge, and the Bulls players knew without 2 of it’s best players (and it’s clear-cut #1) it would have to see a horrendous collapse and some great play by them to compete…..
Magic have always had these sorts of games, they have talented shooters and the best C in the game….and if those shooters get going they look unbeatable….probelm is those shooters don’t get it going as often as they’d like to, but because of the matchups, etc. they are a playoff nightmare….for any team….though they also could lose a game or two in a series to any borderline playoff team.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I agree.
I don’t care if we are short handed, we should of sent our D-Leaguer or Johnson out to deliver a heavy elbow to wanta be supermans back. It’s easy to brag about knocking down a man half your weight out of the air. We should of been elbowing Dwight Coward all night long.
The Dude Abides
Bill Cartwright
would have elbowed Dwight on the next possesion
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 11, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
You're getting
a rec from Chapu for the Noc love
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 11, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Paying the Piper
If we continuously push Rose to take on more of the scoring load (especially by attacking the basket) and continuously push Noah to burn himself out at both ends of the court, they will break down. Noah’s foot troubles are an ominous sign for a 7-footer. If only we had another option to attack the basket and get to the free throw line……
Maybe the minutes played by Rose and Noah are within acceptable bounds, but burning them out for a handful of more wins during a lost season with a roster that has 5 guys who never play is a mistake. Physically, they aren’t built for that like Kobe or even Wade. Expect more injuries.
The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999
true, and that's a Paxson failure
I don’t blame Vinny for keeping his rotation tight given what’s on the end of it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely a Paxson failure
But if Vinny is killing the young guys to keep his job, then it is Paxson’s job to fire Vinny. As you know the Org took a big picture approach to this season and overuse of Rose and Noah were not part of that picture. Rose should not be attacking the basket as much as he does. That was BG’s job.
The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999
Paxson wouldn't even tell Jim Boylan who to play
he’s busy trying to get his cell phone to stop ringing. Damn that thing is annoying!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say Rose should be attacking more
if getting to a Dwayne Wade level means the risk of Dwayne Wade injuries, then so be it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get the Overuse argument
Derrick Rose avg’s 36.2 MPG
Noah is at 32.7….
I think you’d expect Derrick to be at 36-38 MPG at least (Lebron avg’s 40.4 for his career) Wade with all the injuries is still at 37.7….there’s no problem at all there…..
ANd Noah could play more too when not hurt. Vinny and the team sat him after likely giving into Noah’s will to try to play.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
36 MPG for
Rose isn’t overuse, I’m suprised he doesn’t play more, the Bulls offense struggles when Kirk is running the point.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 11, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
BG doesn't attack
the basket like Rose.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 11, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
It's not like Derrick is Dwayne Wade
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Feb 11, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
As in, he doesn't get knocked around as much.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Feb 11, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Are we even pushing them?
Rose is playing 36mpg, Noah 33mpg. That’s hardly overkill.
I think Derrick’s built fine. He’s certainly built better than Allen Iverson, who got knocked around for 13 years without breaking down. And plenty of big men get plantar fasciitis: Duncan’s had it, Shaq, Gasol, Aldridge, Kaman, Villanueva, Rashard Lewis etc etc etc. I’ve never heard it recurring. It could be as simple as a problem with Noah’s shoe.
Taj gibsons had it all year
Hasn’t stopped him from dominating the league
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 11, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Nice!
dominating the league
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Proper roles
I look at Noah as a complementary piece, albeit a very valuable one. He’s just not a physical beast. He should be pulled outside of the paint every so often, even if that’s not his strength. You can’t expect him to fight for every rebound on both ends of the floor and not eventually break down.
As for Rose, while he has the talent to do anything he wants on a court, he shouldn’t be used the way Vinny’s using him now. Rose’s history dating back to high school was to control the ball and the game and get baskets for other guys, and then take over when needed. It’s not a good sign if he has to take over from the opening tip on.
The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999
That's what stars do though, they dominate from start to finish
If Rose is more used to coasting for three quarters, then I’d hope our coach would make him change that. Rose ranks 11th in usage% right now behind guys who are a lot smaller (Monta Ellis) and a lot older (Kobe, Dirk, Harrington). Marcus Camby has been an elite rebounder for years despite his Noah-esque frame and is still putting up huge numbers at age 35.
Will Noah and Rose break down faster if they’re pushed hard? Probably, but we’re talking something that will happen 10-12 years down the line. You’re making it seem like their bodies are about to go any second.
I disagree to an extent
Look at any interview with Chris Paul, he specifically says that he feels that it’s his job early in the game to get his teammates going, and then he picks it up in the 2nd quarter or half.
Now of course Paul is still dominating with his passing in the 1st, and if you mean you want Rose to dominate from start to finish with both his passing and scoring then I agree with you, but I do think there is value in having your point guard begin the game with the mindset of a facilitator.
The biggest problems are that 1. Rose can’t dominate with his passing like Paul or Nash, and 2. He doesn’t have much to pass to even if he could.
and Paul is hurt?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You don't really believe all of what you said about Rose, do you?
He’s never been known as a great facilitator. Good, not great.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Not the Rose I see....
and the scholarships of Tim Flowers and Kevin Johnson, and the draft slots of CDR and Joey Dorsey, back me up.
Going back to high school, Rose got his teammates involved first, and then took over when needed. That’s why a guy like Flowers would put up huge numbers in the state playoffs but then wash out at UW Milwaukee while Rose is an NBA All-Star at the age of 22.
Rose is not a brilliant passer but he prefers to take a back seat to other guys if it will lead to wins. Always has. Especially in big games. Just watch the difference between the first half and second half of the NCAA title game, when he realized the only way Memphis could win would be if he took over.
I’ll agree that this Bulls roster doesn’t have a go-to guy now (although BG could have been that guy), but based on watching him play for the past five years, I would bet a lot of money that Rose would rather be an 17/10 guy than a 24/5 guy.
The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999
Very real chance we miss the playoffs by a lot now
We’re only 1 game ahead of 9th seeded Milwaukee. Rose may be out, Noah and Taj will continue battling their foot injuries for the next month+, Tyrus is about to be traded for expirings, and either Hinrich or Salmons will be dealt for expirings as well.
If that doesn’t give you confidence, at least we still have creaky Luol Deng and Brad Miller! I’ve been of the opinion that getting to the playoffs means less than getting a decent crack at the lottery in a strong draft. And this would mean VDN is out for sure.
i agree with this
this season really doesn’t mean anything. if rose and noah require rest, then it’s best for the Org. to give it to them, no matter the consequences on the court this season. i’d much rather have a healthy rose + noah + lottery pick going into the summer than an 8th seed flame out and possible durability concerns for noah and rose.
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
contingent upon still getting rid of hinrich
of course.
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
I agree as well
Of course, if the Bulls don’t get any playoff revenue maybe they’ll feel they have to cut back on the team payroll rather than sign anyone.
Assuming that level idiocy isn’t present, a ticket in the lottery and a chance at another coach sound better than the playoffs to me
by hitlesswonder on Feb 11, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Bulls have plenty of revenue
Compared to most other teams in their position, a playoff series would be a nice bonus for Reinsdorf I’m sure, but won’t really change things in regards to the big name players we want.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 11, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Things you'll never hear from Jerry Reinsdorf:
Bulls have plenty of revenue
The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999
Derrick should
be fine, I don’t want to give the org another reason to try to weasle out of any Hinrich deal.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 11, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Does anyone have ESPN insider?
Chad Ford has “trades that should happen” on the ESPN website.
Wade 2010!!!!!
nothing that hasn't been discussed on here
2 trades involving bulls/lakers, bulls/spurs
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Yep - The "Trades that Should happen" left the bulls roster lookin like this
C- Noah
PF – Gibson
SF – Deng
SG- Roger Mason
PG – Rose
Back ups
C- Miller
PF- Matt Bonner
SF – James Johnson
SG – Mike Finley
PG – Jordan Farmar
Reserves
Lindsey Hunter
Josh Powell
Tiago Splitter
Adam Morrison
Jannero Pargo
and a butt load of cap space for 2010
"Where is my poster machine??"
The most hilarious thing about this
Was your photo caption. I saw that same picture I think on Bulls.com or somewhere (I was frantically looking for an update on Derrick—well as frantically as this office deskjob bumb can be on a freezing Thursday morning in Feb) and I saw that picture and was like, that red-haired lady sure is upset…..
And then I just read your caption. Good Job, rec for that.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Dammit YFBB stop going to Bulls games
Only bad things seem to happen.
by MrBungle on Feb 11, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh Mr Hollinger
You can put your All Star snub list back in your underwear drawer
by Option27 on Feb 11, 2010 1:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I almost wish Rose and Noah were hurt for the next couple of weeks.
I like playoffs and all, but I like not enough cap space less.
FIRE SALE!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
not a bad thought.
our “team on the rise” status would still be intact by saying “look how great we were playing before our best 2 players got hurt.” plus we enter the lottery, which looks to have some pretty good players this year. might be the deepest class since 03.
If we end up in the lottery
it’s definitely not the worst thing that could happen. I don’t see the draft as being necessarily deep, but there are some really good players in that top 10 or so that could really help. If we got lucky enough to get Evan Turner, he could be Rose’s running mate for the next 10 years.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
it's really just icing on the cake
huge cap space, a lottery pick (additional trade chip), and an excuse to keep “team on the rise” status intact. oh, and we wouldn’t risk anything by giving them both a little extended rest. i don’t like the idea of a center with bad feet and an explosive pg with a bad hip.
It would be the ideal situation..
Tanking the season, shedding contracts, would be the best thing we can do.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 11, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
helll no
im sick and tired of the lottery and getting young potential that never pans out – screw trade chips – i want the playoffs -
i dont want anymore james johnsons or marcus fizers or eddy currys or any other bums
we got our young core – now we need some veterans and players in their prime…
"Where is my poster machine??"
There are players in the lottery that are not long term potential picks
Evan Turner, Patrick Patterson, Wesley Johnson, and Cole Aldrich could all come in and play right away. I think Evan Turner could be like Brandon Roy for the right team.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
How is losing in the playoffs
More enjoyable then losing in the regular season? You’ve still lost at the end of the day.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 11, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
cause its at least another week of basketball -
this time with national coverage – better atmosphere, and are you telling me you rather lose the last year and not make the playoffs? cause im pretty sure that 7 game series with the celts was the best basketball of the 09 playoffs
"Where is my poster machine??"
so you'd rather just get your extra week of "exciting" basketball this year
as opposed to, i don’t know, an extra month for many years? and a Grant Park celebration?
nobody said anything about rebuilding with lottery picks. it’s cap space with the bonus of resting our 2 most important players (though Rose might not need it) and getting a lottery pick. and did you really say “screw trade chips”? if you’re honestly happy just keeping this team and having exciting 1st round playoff series without the promise of anything more, then have fun with that. it’s gotten old for me.
Next Thursday
I’ll be disappointed if Kirk is still on the Bulls, I’ll stop watching the Bulls if that happens, lol
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 11, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah right lol
You’ve been watching Kurt since 2003!
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
I wonder which person on TEAM ROSE
is responsible for holding the bag of gummi bears
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
I guess Randy Brown
holds the now & laters
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 11, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
So now that Iverson And Bryant are out of the all star game
Does that mean Derrick starts?
My guess is Rondo is the starting PG now, but how sweet would it look for Derrick to be in the starting line up?
by Option27 on Feb 11, 2010 5:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
derrick might not even play
Why aren't they selling Rose's all star jersey?
Derrick got more votes than rondo
Imagine a rose-dwade starting backcourt… Foreshadowing something perhaps?
McGraw wrote about this already
I can’t link it cause I’m on my phone but he said it’s likely to go to Joe Johnson now.
I guess its kinda fair considering their team is far better than the Bulls
by Option27 on Feb 11, 2010 7:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
and he should’ve been voted as the starter over Iverson anyway.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
yeah except
joe johnson got fewer votes than even gilbert fuckin arenas.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
you think its cause he has a boring name?
no one remembers mike james, joe smith, and john rogers
buuuut Cuttino Mobley , Nene and Travis Outlaw, are house hold names, no question, no doubt, im right, per usual.
"Where is my poster machine??"
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