Maybe K.C was right? ( About Courtney Lee).
by illwill on Dec 29, 2010 6:47 PM CST
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PrintI know a lot of people on this blog are clamoring for Mayo, Melo, Smith, and Jackson. But one of the better players we probably could get and want cost us a huge amount of assets is Courtney Lee. When K.C mentioned this I was pissed like everyone else, but then I began to investigate....
Here is a quote about Lee's SHOOTING from his draft profile from draftexpress.com.
One of the main reasons for Lee’s insertion into the starting line-up and his 25.3 minutes per game (13th amongst rookies) is because of his ability to shoot the ball, especially spotting up, which is essential in this offense. Lee is shooting 40.9% from behind the arc, which is 3rd amongst rookies and 34th overall in the NBA. He displays nice mechanics and does an excellent job of setting his feet. He doesn’t have the quickest release, but his preparation before he receives the ball and his lack of wasted motion on the catch enables him to get his shot off. He’s always on balance with his feet under him and he elevates forward, carrying his momentum and his shot to the basket.
From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Courtney-Lee-471/#ixzz19XxeYVNk
http://www.draftexpress.com
The profile also goes on to talk about his SLASHING/ DRIVING.
Lee’s strengths offensively are not limited to the perimeter, as he has proven that he can get to the basket and do something once he’s there. He’s quick off the bounce and incredibly smooth as he covers a lot of ground on very few dribbles. In game three against Boston, Lee took the ball from his own free throw line and layed it in on the other side of the court in two dribbles – an impressive feat. He has outstanding body control and is able to absorb contact, due in large part to the way he utilizes a two foot jump stop in the paint which enables him to stay on balance. He’s very effective when he gets all the way to the basket, and elevates extremely well once he’s there – showing that he’s a much better than advertised athlete.
From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Courtney-Lee-471/#ixzz19Y0t9yPs
http://www.draftexpress.com
And lastly the most important element in any Thibs system..... DEFENSE.
More often than not, the biggest adjustment for players entering the league is on the defensive end, due to the enhanced speed of the game. For Lee however, he’s had a fairly smooth transition on this side of the ball and has proven that he has a chance to become an elite defender in this league. Surely things are a bit easier with the NBA’s defensive player of the year patrolling the paint, but Lee’s attention to detail, effort, and athleticism have made him a pest to go up against.
From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Courtney-Lee-471/#ixzz19Y0t9yPs
http://www.draftexpress.com
It should also be noted that he is a "HIGH CHARACTER GUY", which we all know is very important to the Bulls organization.
“If you askCourtney Leehow he can help an NBA franchise next season, his initial answer might surprise you.
‘Off the court I believe I have good character, I carry myself well and I don’t have any baggage.’
While most players are quick to point out their shooting prowess or ability to get the ball into the hands of a star player, Lee takes the more unconventional route by discussing his strength of character.
From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Courtney-Lee-471/#ixzz19YFcrg9N
http://www.draftexpress.com
Now that I look at it, getting Courtney Lee might not be such a bad idea.
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I just don't see him as much of an upgrade ove Brewer
I’d at least want to see Brewer play some more minutes before I said we should bring in Lee. Plus, the reason I like Mayo, and to a lesser extent Jackson, is because Mayo has a great upside and is really young, and Jackson is a vet that can still ball, but also brings some nice intangibles. Lee just feels very uninspired. I guess if he’s our only hope, then go for it.
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
Mayo is only two years younger than Lee
Mayo is 23, Lee is 25. But I agree with you, Mayo has a lot more upside than Lee.
No doubt.
But it’s not all up to who we want to receive in a trade. It takes 2 to tango.
Rose 2010!!!!!
that's true
but considering morey’s and memphis’ track records, who knows that both teams will want in return
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
*what
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
der?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I like Mayo as well, but it may not be a possibility.
Lee may be cheaper to obtain and will not cause any chemistry issues with his attitude. The guy is also shooting 45% from 3 and plays D as well as Brewer, so IMHO he is the better player.
Rose 2010!!!!!
I agree that Lee is better than Brewer
but we have to give up things to get Lee. And as Brolaxchill pointed out, the price could be steep because of who we’re dealing with. I’d still try and get him if we couldn’t get the other guys though
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
I should say, Lee is a better fit than Brewer, it's a lot more questionable whether he's the better player
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
If they want too much then why do it.
Maybe we could give a pick and a body, if not then screw it?
Rose 2010!!!!!
Yup
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Lee's a way better defender than Brewer
Brewer’s defensive reputation far exceeds his actual effectiveness on that end. He gets a lot of steals but he’s a pretty mediocre man defender overall. His problem is that he’s pretty indecisive in regards to his positioning which results in him being a step too slow a lot of the time despite his tremendous athleticism. This is just my amateur analysis, but the numbers back me up: his dMult scores (a measure of his counterpart’s production) have always been middling and his on/off court defensive numbers in Utah the past couple years showed that the Jazz were a more effective defensive team with him on the bench.
Pat Riley is the devil.
if the teams d rating is better that is probably something...
but dMult for someone who gets a lot of steals prob doesnt tell the whole story, he wanders more but causes more turnovers from players he isnt guarding
Lee is a better 3pt shooter than Brewer but Brewer has more size, is more athletic, is better going to the rim, and is a better defender than Lee, IMO.
He’s a better fit than Bogan’s on offense but not sure he’s better than Bogan’s on defense. I’d rather wait till the trading deadline to see about acquiring OJ Mayo.
Adding Courtney Lee is not a bad idea
Many of the ideas floated around here are bad ideas or at least have the potential to look like terrible ideas in retrospect. But the fact that he is in his 3rd year and your still pointing to his draft profile highlights the fact that its hard to get excited about. I’m all for adding Lee if its cheap, but I wouldn’t bank on it as the sole answer. Fortunately it’s probably a move you can try while waiting patiently for the right time to get aggressive.
Well Lee is going to come at a cost
Houston’s prerogative is to accumulate and horde assets in order to make a series of blockbuster trades (think Danny Ainge before he traded for KG & Ray Allen). To them, Lee is a valuable commodity because he’s still going to be on a rookie contract for two more years and he’s an above-average bench player. Morey isn’t going to trade Lee unless he gets another trading chip he can use in a mega-deal. Also, Morey is in a better position than us in terms of leverage so we’re going to have to overpay to get Lee.
In other words, it’s going to take a lot more than James Johnson to get Lee. I wouldn’t be surprised if he balked at any deal that doesn’t include the Charlotte pick.
I don't value the Charlotte pick as much as other people.
As long as we can use it to get what we need, I’m all for trading it if it’s for the right price. And remember we are the good team, we have all of the leverage not Morey.
Rose 2010!!!!!
No Morey has the leverage againist us
Because we need Lee more than Houston does.
But in 2016 it will be unprotected and Charlotte will still suck
it is so frustrating that the best place to chat about the bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG......6 recs
by BigforkBullsFan on Dec 30, 2010 7:17 AM CST up reply actions
Why waste 5 good years of Deng, Noah, Rose and Boozer
trade it.
Get Mayo, he is a #3 pick. Good enough
No hot sauce?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 30, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Because in five years, Boozer will be 34, Deng and Noah will be 30 and Rose will be in the middle of his prime at 27.
We’re going to be good for a while and we’re going to have our cap space locked into these four guys (unless GarPaxDorf pulls a minor miracle and gets rid of Deng’s contract for some valuable pieces).
How do you expect for us to reload with low draft picks and an inflexible cap structure? This draft pick will become Chicago’s next superstar right when Boozer, Noah & Deng are all about to go on the decline.
You would still make them play 5 years without a shot at the title
Mayo or bust
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 31, 2010 5:25 AM CST up reply actions
The Bulls have a shot at the title
This season…
Is this even a basketball game anymore, or am I watching a referee themed television show? -Juiceboxjerry
Also
We don’t have a good shot of winning a title this year, why not wait until next year (when we’ll have a good understanding of the new CBA) and get a good 2-guard for cheap and we get to keep all of our assets?
We’re in the best cap structure out of all of the contenders right now (I believe our total salary is in the bottom five of all teams). Teams like Boston, Orlando, Miami and LA Lakers are going to have a difficult time keeping their rosters together if there’s a hard cap next year.
Courtney Lee is what Thibs (falsely) sees in Bogans.
He’s the classic 5th man. Great defender, spot up 3 point shooter, and capable offensive player who doesn’t need shots or the ball to be effective. I’d be all for it. He was a great fit for the Magic, and we don’t need him to be any better than he was for that.
However, I’m not sure what a fair asking price is. If they’d take Brewer straight up, I’d probably do it (although I’m a big fan of Brewer), but I doubt that’s enough. We need all the shooters we can get, so Korver’s off the table. Bulls 1st rounder would be fine with me, but no way it’s worth giving up the Charlotte pick.
I just don’t think it’s worth what the Bulls would have to give up, especially given how well Brewer has been playing. I agree with YFBB (and everyone else in the world aside from Bogans), yank Bogans and give Brewer a chance before trading away good assets for a marginally better replacement.
this is a worthless move.
"JJ has never made that floater. He’s probably never even practiced it, he just decided to take a floater, which is why he’s James Johnson."
-JocktrapNoah
I wouldn't call it "worthless", but it's certainly not ideal
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2010 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's a slight upgrade in role players at best. I'd hope they don't deal for Lee until the very last minute of the trade deadline
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Courtney Lee is young, can hit the 3ball, and play defense - do we really need some uber upgrade when we have stars in Rose and Boozer?
I think Lee would be a great fit. We just need a role-player 2 guard and Lee would be a good match in the lineup.
by Playboy_BullV on Dec 29, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The offense is average to slightly above average at best right now
To be real championship contenders, they need to play at a higher level than that. In my opinion, to get to that level they need a secondary perimeter shot creator to complement Rose and to help with the second unit when Rose is on the bench.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
agreed.
If the Bulls could swing a deal for Iggy/Mayo/Smith/Jackson and still grab Lee for depth he’d be a perfect piece for this team, but he’s not the final piece that gets us over the Boston/Miami/Orlando hump.
Why?
If it’s an upgrade that the Bulls are able to make, why the hell shouldn’t they make it?
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 30, 2010 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
It'd be such a minimal level of upgrade, I'd hope the team exhausts all other possibilities before going after Lee
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Why would getting Lee first preclude the Bulls from going out and making another move?
There’s even a good chance Lee becomes an attractive trade piece to other team shopping their own SGs.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I thought the Bulls wouldn't be able to include Lee in a package deal, but looks like they could since they're under the cap
Anyways, trading for Lee wouldn’t necessarily mean Bogans loses his rotation spot or even his starting job.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
There's no such thing
as a “minimal upgrade” when your starting SG is avereging 3 ppg. I think we’re all getting caught up in the names. the Mayos, and the Jacksons of the world. I think we need to realize that we’re 20-10 with a starting SG that literally gives us nothing on a nightly basis. It’s really kind of amazing. Even the slightest upgrade could mean the difference between a win and loss.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 30, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree.
The counter-argument seems to be “well we could just sit Bogans and play Brewer/Korver more.” That’d be sweet too but it doesn’t seem to be happening anytime soon.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 30, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
The counter argument is feasible
but I do see what the Bulls are trying to do. Yes in the short term Brewer or Korver would be better. But Thibs likes his rotation with Brewer coming off the bench and honestly, he just doesn’t trust Korver defensively. If they can keep the rotation the same and get a guy to hit 2 open shots a half, I think the Bulls would live with that.
I also think the rumors of them wanting Mayo or Smith or is a positive thing. It means that they are thinking long term and maybe have gotten the go ahead from Reinsdorf to get a SG talent that they may have to pay in the future if he’s a success with Rose. So it means that they aren’t satisfied with just competing, but that they think with the right SG, that they can make a serious run this year. At the end of the day, any professional SG is an improvement…literally.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
That's pretty hyperbolic
Let’s keep in mind that how much a trade improves a team is determined not only by the players you acquire but by the players you give up. Which would improve our team more, giving up Taj for Mayo or getting Lee without surrendering any of our rotation players? I pick number 2.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 29, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
My question is:
Let’s say we give up a player of minimal use this year (cj, JJ, Sheek) + draft picks. How does Lee get worked into the lineup. Now we have too many guards, and is Thibs gonna bench Bogans all of a sudden for a player who hasn’t played game for our team or in our system? If Thibs hasn’t benched Bogans yet, its fairly obvious he still would not. Now, Lee could certainly play his way into the starting lineup, but now he shares time with Brewer (and Korver at times) coming off the bench to earn it.
What if we trade Brewer for Lee, then do we still have the same situation with Bogans? I guess Lee has more opportunity to play his way into the starting lineup, but it seems like alot of his value is his fit next to Rose.
The alternative: let’s say we miraculously move Bogans in acquiring Lee (perhaps in a 3 way), does he start over Brewer – (in Thibs eyes)?
The issue I see with some1 like Lee vs Mayo or Jackson is that the latter two are clear and obvious upgrades at the 2, who would come in and start (maybe not the first game, but surely soon after). I also like the idea of a major upgrade at 2, while keeping Brewer to come off the bench.
tl;dr
but trading SHEEK? Hell to the no!
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- Kev H
by chicago030 on Dec 29, 2010 10:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not a fan of Jackson or Mayo
Jackson while and upgrade of what we have has always been a whiny baby to me. Constantly complaining about calls, and while he can definitely carry the load for a team I’ve seen him rely too much on the 3 and shoot his teams out of games.
Mayo is a high volume scorer. He needs a lot of shots to be effective and if we get him with out trading Deng he becomes the 3/4th option. Its just not enough shots for him to be effective. Plus he has never really lived up to his hype/ draft ranking. I agree he has a high ceiling, coming into the league he was known as a gym rat and his ceiling was thought to be DWade light. He had a good rookie campaign but hasn’t noticeably improved on any part of his game. Check his stats between his rookie and sophmore seasons. Almost identical except for significantly worse from the free throw line. So we make the trade and now we have to figure out how to pay him and Derrick in the off season? No Thanks.
Honestly I like Lee most of all because he fits what we need, a role player. As long as Deng stays we don’t need another dynamic scorer we need some body who can do what Bogans is SUPPOSED to do which is defend and consistently spread the floor. Lee does those things at a cheaper cost, is a high character guy who won’t complain about shots and has deep playoff and finals experience. To me its a no brainer.
Yeah, that sounds like org bullshit to me
Just get the best player you can. Particularly in Jackson’s case, an older player, I don’t think he’ll have any problem fitting in.
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2010 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
His contract does make things difficult
I’m not saying the Bulls shouldn’t pull the trigger to save money, I’m saying that because Jackson makes so much, we’re going to have to include more pieces to make the salaries match which makes it a less attractive move. Like I’ve been saying, it’s not just who you get, it’s who you give up too.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 30, 2010 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
maybe
we’ll get lucky in da draft and get a #1 overall again lol
I just wish
Ronnie Brewer would just get better offensively so we wont have 2 worry bout n e thing
I'm already looking to the draft.
I have no confidence in this organization in making an upgrade at SG during the season.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
So you look for 4th year starters with size and smarts.
AKA, Landry Fields part 2.
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. says:
"4 our of 5 of us recommend Devin Hester. The 5th dentist has gone missing. He was last seen wearing green and yellow."
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 30, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think an MVP candidate will fall that far again.
by dakoose on Dec 30, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
of course I was a bit serious. Last first round picks are where you find guys like Fields. Rebuilding teams go for the underclassment with flash and potential. Now that the Bulls are at Division Champ level they need to go for NBA-ready guys with a lot of playing experience that can step in right away and earn minutes like what Taj did.
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. says:
"4 our of 5 of us recommend Devin Hester. The 5th dentist has gone missing. He was last seen wearing green and yellow."
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 30, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Nolan Smith?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I couldn't tell you.
Honestly I just can’t get into college basketball.
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. says:
"4 our of 5 of us recommend Devin Hester. The 5th dentist has gone missing. He was last seen wearing green and yellow."
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 30, 2010 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Too short!
The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!
I'm still bewildered by what Mayo has done to be worth Gibson+Asik+JJ+picks
by hitlesswonder on Dec 30, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Do people actually think they'd give up that much?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
We have to pay the price if you want to get what you want
just watch the JJ Redick episode.
That said I mentioned before that I would not give both Asik and Gibson. JJ is useless.
Mayo or bust
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 31, 2010 5:27 AM CST up reply actions
Jr smith
He can win a game or 2 in the playoffs, when he goes off, with Noah booz and rose, that’s a finals contender
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
I made this fanpost, but count me in the Mayo / Smith camp.
I do like Lee and he’s cheap. We just don’t know Houston asking price. Lee would be a nice pick-up if we couldn’t land Mayo or Smith.
Rose 2010!!!!!
Update on Bulls shooting guard prospects from Mike McGraw.
Expanding on Tuesday’s column about how the Bulls might improve at shooting guard, I think Houston’s Courtney Lee can definitely be added to the wish list.
Memphis’ O.J. Mayo is their top choice and Denver’s J.R. Smith is a likely No. 2, with neither situation likely to heat up until closer to the Feb. 24 trade deadline.
Lee is probably their top fallback choice. The former Western Kentucky star is averaging 7.4 points and shooting 45 percent from 3-point range, serving as a back up to Kevin Martin.
How to pry Lee away from the Rockets is tougher to figure. Do the Bulls give up Taj Gibson? No. The Charlotte draft pick from the Tyrus Thomas trade? Probably not.
Another factor is Houston has won five in a row and is back to a .500 record after a slow start this season. Right now, it’s difficult to see how the Bulls could get Lee without giving up something valuable in return.
The Bulls are having conversations with a number of teams and I’m sure dozens of scenarios have been discussed. This is the time of year when teams typically test the waters to see what might be possible at the trade deadline.
There have been rumors about the Bulls and Charlotte’s Stephen Jackson, but I think Jackson and Detroit’s Richard Hamilton are pretty much out of the question because both have two expensive years left on their contracts.
Guys like Martell Webster, Anthony Parker, Daniel Gibson, Randy Foye, DeShawn Stevenson, Jason Kapono, Francisco Garcia, Antoine Wright, etc., are probably available, but aren’t much of an upgrade from what the Bulls already have.
Rose 2010!!!!!
good question:
How to pry Lee away from the Rockets is tougher to figure
Mayo or bust
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 31, 2010 5:30 AM CST up reply actions
Rose-Lee-Deng-Boozer-Noah is an ECF starting 5
try and tell me that Nelson-Lee-Hedo-Lewis-Howard is better. I don’t believe you. Lee upgrades 1st unit floor spacing and overall outside shooting without sacrificing defense. second unit playmaking issues remain, but no realistic SG trade is going to fix em.
"I'm broadening my horizons past basketball to vocabulary." - Jeff Van Gundy
oh yeah i forgot, it was Alston-Lee-Hedo-Lewis-Howard
"I'm broadening my horizons past basketball to vocabulary." - Jeff Van Gundy
by paddyfairview on Dec 30, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.
Every loves Arron Affalo, but no love for Lee? Both are essentially the same player, let’s look at the numbers.
AA – 12.8 ppg / 3.9 rpg / 2.3 apg / 0.7 spg / 50% fg / 42 % 3pt while playing 36 minutes a game.
CL (per 36) – 13.7 pprg / 4.5 rpg / 2.0 apg / 1.4 spg / 45 % fg / 44% 3pt.
Right now he is Martin’s backup and only playing 19 mins a game. The main deference between Affalo and Lee is minutes. Lee actually is a more disruptive defender and generates more spg. I find it amazing that people would want to trade for Affalo in a heartbeat, but don’t want Lee.
Rose 2010!!!!!
by illwill on Dec 30, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Like it or not, that team was better offensively than these Bulls
Even with Nelson missing the latter half of the season they were top 10 offensively while the Bulls are struggling to be average
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
you're comparing their full strength lineup with our bogans/no noah lineup
"I'm broadening my horizons past basketball to vocabulary." - Jeff Van Gundy
by paddyfairview on Dec 31, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
No, I'm not. Even at full strength with ideal rotations, I have a very hard time seeing this Bulls team with a top 10 offense
I was wrong, the Magic finished 11th, so not technically a top 10 offense. Still, they had a good system that created great spacing and a collection of players to take advantage of it. I think they are a little better than the Bulls could be at full strength.
I’m not saying the Bulls couldn’t make or win the ECF with that starting 5. Of course, it wouldn’t hurt if the Bulls proved to be a bad match up for LeBron’s team and KG was out with injury again.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Dec 31, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Times like this make me miss Kirk more...
PNobleDaLyricist
Blame Lebrick
(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...
by T.Moore on Dec 31, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Lee because
We wouldn’t have to give up much of anything, and Thibs clearly isn’t going to bench Bogans unless the Bulls trade for someone, and he can’t possibly be worse than Bogans. I would rather haver Chris Duhon.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 31, 2010 12:38 AM CST reply actions
what do you have in mind when you say
We wouldn’t have to give up much of anything
The challenge is exactly what you trade. We don’t have equal value. We would end up giving more or trying less and Houston would say no
Mayo or bust
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 31, 2010 5:34 AM CST up reply actions
Compared to what we would have to give for Mayo
It would be close to nothing.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 31, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
So Houston's just going to give him away b/c GarPax asks?
The guy is still on his rookie contract, isn’t causing problems, and is a contributing member of the rotation. The Bulls would have to give up something more valuable than him to make Houston decide they want to deal, especially as they’re making a run of their own at the playoffs following a rough start.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
hot sauce!
"I'm broadening my horizons past basketball to vocabulary." - Jeff Van Gundy
by paddyfairview on Dec 31, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I'm warming to Lee
First, I’m warming to him because he’s showing he can really shoot the lights out.
Second, I’m warming to him because he’s not JR Smith or Stephen Jackson.
But yeah, I’d still aim higher
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
I liked Lee
When he wa with Orlando…he was pretty good in the playoffs
(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...
I liked Lee before that.
When the Bulls were playing alright in 2007-2008, hovering around the middle of the NBA pack, I thought he’d be a good investment, even if a slight reach. Of course, then the Bulls totally tanked and got super lucky and got Derrick Rose. In fact, I thought that the Bulls should be really aggressive and buy/trade for a pick in that 15-25 range to take Lee, Batum, Chris Douglas-Roberts or Brandon Rush. The way all four are playing this year, I’d take any of them at their prices over what the Bulls have (although, CDR would be a distant fourth on the list). Courtney Lee would even serve as a capable PG from time-to-time.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
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