Where There's Smoke, It's Gotta Be Some Fire, Right?
Spurred on by these two fanshots : Bulls one of the "most active" teams in trade talks & It's Tech N9ne.. he's back . I have gone back to drawing board.
It's plainly obvious to me that the team needs another option for that 3rd/4th scorer, because basically without Noah we're not getting the scoring out of the 1st team that we need. Since Deng tends to disappear from time to time, we're left without a reliable option to fill in, since Noah is not here to get us the offensive putbacks off the boards. I keep seeing box scores where Booz and DRose have high 20's in scoring then our next highest scorer is like low teen's. That can't happen if we want to be a contender.
Unless, we're getting a quality big back, I don't think we include Taj in any deals. So how do we get our mythical
SG who can shoot and defend?
Nuggets Get: PF Andray Blatche from WAS, James Johnson from CHI and 1st Round Pick from CHI
Wizards Get: SG Keith Bogans and PG/SG CJ Watson from CHI
Bulls Get: SG JR Smith and PG Anthony Carter from DEN, and 2nd Round Pick from WAS
Looks like the Wizards are having problems with Blatche and this wouldn't be the 1st time Blatche has had a run-in with the organization. The Wiz just picked up Rashard Lewis who is basically the same player. They get two solid options off the bench to back up their young guards Wall and Young. Denver gets a young big, who despite the troubles is able of playing in this league and putting up double-doubles, as seen from his production after the Wizards' broke up their Big 3 last year. Plus, they get insurance for when they dump Carmelo in JJ and a 1st round pick. The Bulls get JR Smith who should be able to step right in and provide the scoring shot we need injected into the 1st team, and a steady backup PG in Carter to run the 2nd unit.
Bobcats Get: SG Ronnie Brewer, SG Keith Bogans, PG CJ Watson, and PF Brian Scalbrine from CHI
Bulls Get: SG Stephen Jackson, C Kwame Brown, SF Dominic McGuire, and F Derrick Brown from CHA
In all honesty, I would do this trade in a second. I don't really know why the Bobcats would make a deal like this, other than to get out from under Jax's 8 mil for the next 3 years. I wouldn't send any draft pick considerations back, maybe a 2nd, but no 1st. We'd be giving away a lot of our depth, but in McGuire and Brown we get 2 forwards who are athletically gifted enough to play some minutes and play well defensively. McGuire, specifically, can defend 3 positions pretty effectively. And it would allow us to still dangle JJ and a pick for a nice backup PG. Jax takes over as our starting SG, and Kwame gives us another semi-serviceable big off the bench. If nothing else he'll be another 6 fouls when playing against ORL, BOS, and LA.
Grizz Get: PF Andray Blatche from WAS, PF Brian Scalabrine from CHI and 1st Round Pick from CHI (CHA)
Wizards Get: SG Keith Bogans and SF James Johnson from CHI, PF Darrell Arthur from MEM
Bulls Get: SG OJ Mayo from MEM, and PF/C Hilton Armstrong from WAS
The Grizz won't give up Mayo without a young big in return, we don't want to give up Taj. This way we both can get what we want.
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One of the other things I've noticed
And a BIG reason why I wouldn’t mind giving up either of our 1st round picks, Charlotte’s or our’s, as long as we get an early 2nd back is.. That all the top SG prospects are slotted to go late 1st round or somewhere in the 2nd. Other than Harrison Barnes, there really isn’t a lot of gifted “big” SG coming out. If we can somehow pick up a SG for this year, we’ll have a shot at guys like Durrell Summers from MSU, Jordan Hamilton from Texas, David Lighty from OSU, Scotty Hopson from Tennessee, and Austin Freeman from Georgetown, for the future.
but the charlotte pick wouldn't be for this year.
we’re not getting that until at least 2012, probably later. That thing could be gold. I’d take any deal where we don’t need to give up the charlotte pick. even if that means giving up taj.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Dec 27, 2010 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
The chance of that pick having any value is slim..
The Bobcats are much more likely to be mediocre and have something like the 15th pick, before they lose the full protection than they are to be the worst team in the league in 5 years.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 29, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Having a ton of value*
Obviously a middle of the first round pick has some value. I just don’t think the chances are good that they won’t at some in the next few years be at least out of the protection range once.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 29, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
All they have to do is make the playoffs in 2011-2012 and it’s a “crap” pick. Not likely, of course, but if the season is shortened? Stranger things have happened.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Option 3...
Is optimal, but the Grizz won’t do it without Taj, so I vote for Option 4 – none of the above.
Someday we'll go all the way...
I think you are too optimistic in all 3
No hot sauce?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 27, 2010 11:49 AM CST reply actions
Ya #3 isn't happening, and I wouldn't do any of the others.
If someone ties his shoe while you are guarding him, then at least untie the other shoe.
Stephen Jackson all the way!!
I think he can be an efficient scorer as a fifth option in the starting lineup, and he’s got the intangibles! He’s got a gun tatoo’d on his chest and the Bulls need more of that .
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 27, 2010 12:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
lmao @ the tattoo joke
brilliantly played
"I’m stupid, but I won’t get my drama on/what I’m dealing with is too real for me to comment on" - Yeezy
In what world is Andray Blatche "basically the same player" as Rashard Lewis?
Andray Blatche is young, and he’s the Wizards top scoring option – love him or hate him… and he will command much more in return than some combination of Bogans, CJ Watson, and Darrell Arthur.
Similarly, Silas has come out and said SJax needs to lead their team in a new run n gun offense. Why would the Bobcats trade their top scorer for four of the most offensively challenged players on our bench?
I’d love to have one of these shooting guards on our roster, but in reality, we will need to give up more than just scraps to get one of these guys (unless one of them leaves a gun out on a chair in front of his locker or chokes out his coach). Come playoff race time, other teams will be offering up much more in trade value to procure one of these guys for a playoff run.
I’m inclined to think that if the Bulls want to upgrade to a LEGIT scoring SG, then Taj would likely have to be in the trade scenario.
LeBron is an Asshole
where there's Smoke, there's Joakim
No hot sauce?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 27, 2010 2:33 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
If Jordan wants to blow it up this works for me.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3xj7ps5
Bulls get Wallace, Jackson, Brown
Bobcats get Deng, JJ, Scalabrine, Bogans
Jordan cuts Scals right away and saves over 5 million total and gets a younger exciting (shhhhh!) player to keep his fans happy in Deng and a prospect in JJ and a solid defensive(sshhhhh!) player in Bogans that he can cut next year and save even more money.
Bulls get themselves into ECF with chance to go to Finals and win it all.
lol did something similar to that on 2k11 few days ago
deng,watson + for sjax, diaw,collins. Then phx offered pietrusgortat+pick for diaw+bogans+pick
Rose/Weaver/collins
Sjax/brewer
Pietrus/Korver
Booz/Taj
Noah/Gortat/asik
I'd prefer Eric Gordon...
While were on the topic of “not-gonna-happen” trades.
"Welcome to the place where I lazily threaten people and then everyone laughs."
- Kev H
by chicago030 on Dec 28, 2010 9:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs

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