Orlando acquires JRich, Hedo, and Arenas.
[Editing this fanshot to encompass all the Orlando dealing, with a nod to SBN bro-site Orlando Pinstriped Post (twitter) for being first on this and working it throughout.
Chris Broussard has the full deal with Phoenix: hx sends Hedo/J Rich/Earl Clark to Orlando for Vince/Gortat/Pietrus, 2011 first round pick and cash considerations.
Arenas-for-Rashard Lewis, also. -ed.
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i'm not quite sure how this would work out
but i’m all for it as a Bulls fan. The Bulls have an uncanny ability to make Vince Carter look good.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2010 8:41 PM CST reply actions
Anyone else get the feeling that Orlando is getting desperate?
by Option27 on Dec 17, 2010 9:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure that was rhetorical
but I’ll answer anyway: Yes.
Like Smurf just said, this can only be good for the Bulls. What are they gonna do, beat us by seventy now?
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 17, 2010 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
It just makes me happier as a Bulls fan
Besides Miami and OKC, every other really good team looks to have a 2 to 3 year window. Feels alright knowing the Bulls are on the right track to be highly competitive for the next decade
by Option27 on Dec 17, 2010 10:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Knock on wood!
I’m sure Portland fans were saying the exact same shit
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 17, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
blogabull history lesson
in 3006 we were king of hte worlds after beating miami…portland fans showed up and said, hey you guys…you are like us, we are both upcoming young teams here to take the world by storm….and we were like…yea okay……then 2007 came and we began to fall apart…on the other side blazers were saying IN PRITCH WE TRUST, and PRITCHSLAPPED….then they would spend the next two years coming to our site because their super sonic internet hearing told them that we were talking about how happy and eeirly optimistic (cult like) they were. THey would appear and say oh bulls fans, yes we were alike, but we HAVE a star in brandon roy, and once oden comes back…wow we will be kings!!! And we would say, oh you poor fools, you know not of your vanity…today you smile, tomaro you will be like us….and they would say, oh bulls fans, we are not like you…simply we are better…hahaha foolish pessemistic bulls fans….
they cheered they had rudy, they had batum, they even cheered for aldridge, laughed when we traded tyrus…..and then….
and then….
and then…this season happened…..
we bulls fans, in all our happiness, in all our arrogrance, we realize a harsh truth….it takes little for it to go away, and its not real till we do it consistently. We see our flaws at all times, our gamethreads, they are the manifestation of our caution.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 18, 2010 1:46 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
i really thought you were leading up to a "...so fuck you, portland!" finish
kinda disappointed
Taj Gibson needs Horace Grant goggles
by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 1:49 AM CST up reply actions
since when do history lessons go into the future???? 3006??!!!!
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
The 3006 made it for me.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Dec 18, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
In the year 3030
everybody wants to be an MC!!!
The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!
by Prevenge on Dec 19, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Please God yes
he’s been my favorite player in the league for years, and it pains me to see him in such a shitty team. This would be awesome.
The NBA: Where Donaghy Happens.
jameer would have to be on the market now then right?
i dont see how they could possibly be thinking of starting arenas and nelson in one lineup
their defense would tkae a huge hit.
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
Can't imagine they'd be taking that big of a hit defensively going from Carter to Arenas
Anyways, Howard, Lee, and Pietrus have been the only nominally good defensive players they’ve had the last couple years and they still lead the NBA in defense.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Nope, they would start Nelson and Arenas together. Of course the D would take a hit. I’m sorry but Arenas don’t make Orlando a title contender. Orlando had their chance against the Lakers…that was their ceiling. They just aren’t built to last in the playoffs. The main culprit is Lewis, I still can’t believe Orlando gave him that contract. What was Otis Smith smoking? Lewis gets worse every year and chokes more every playoff series.
I don't understand this sentiment and how it's so common
They just aren’t built to last in the playoffs
They’ve made it to the second round, the Finals, and the Conf Finals the last 3 years. How are they not lasting in the playoffs?
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
because they arent built to take down the big dogs
they wouldnt have made it out that one year if kg was healthy
i really dont like the system they have. they can run you out of the building on any given night but over a 7 game series it’s not going to happen 4 times against boston la or even miami imo
and once dwight gets into foul trouble its over for their team
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
If you're going to factor in a healthy KG, you have to factor in a healthy Nelson as well
The way he was playing that year, they probably still would have beaten Boston.
I like their system, I think the team is incomplete. Lewis and Carter have both regressed a lot the last couple seasons and Nelson hasn’t consistently found that level he was at 2 years ago. If they can somehow get Melo or Paul or even Iguodala, they should be seen as prohibitive favorites.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Poorly worded. They aren’t the most tough, resilient bunch. Boston destroyed them last year. They can beat lower seeded, weaker teams certainly. But do you see them actually getting past Boston or Miami? I can’t. That doesn’t mean they suck but when the playoffs roll around, Carter and Lewis aren’t going to step it up.
Carter and Lewis have definitely sucked this year. Hopefully, SVG will finally give up on Rashard and relegate him to the bench
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
There's talk now
that they might get rid of Lewis:
It is still unknown which player the Wizards would receive and while many think it will be Vince Carter, there is a growing belief that Rashard Lewis will be the Magic player dealt.
Even if Arenas isn’t great, getting rid of Lewis would be worth it for the Magic.
Where would Richardson fit?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
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by J Theory on Dec 18, 2010 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I want to know how Arenas went from the most untradeable contract in the NBA to the Wizards asking for a 1st for him
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Dec 17, 2010 10:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i think he kept his mouth shut (mostly) and his guns at home
plus its not like orlando’s pick will be anything special.
but yeah, i get your point
Taj Gibson needs Horace Grant goggles
by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
I don't get his point.
That was the most untradeable contract, the Brandon Roy got hurt with his max deal…This is the NBA, all it takes is a few months of solid play for an idiot GM to believe a player is worth his contract.
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He was actually the second worst,
and was traded for the worst.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Dec 18, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Of any guy uninjured.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Dec 18, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
if im orlando
i force washington to take rshard’s contract for arenas
then swing a deal of vc/jameer/bass and picks to denver for melo and crap
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
Someone in the BDL chat the other day had a really good trade idea
It was to send Lewis to Portland for Roy and pieces. The idea behind the deal was that Portland is going to have a hard time rebuilding with Roy’s contract around. By dealing for Lewis, they’d get that money off the books sooner. Orlando, then, can take on the high risk, high reward contract of Roy and hope he can show up healthy for the playoffs a time or two over the remainder of his contract.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Why would Portland do that?
At least there’s still some hope with Roy. And the fans and city love him. Lewis is garbage.
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2010 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
Why would Orlando do that?
They already have a weak legged two guard? This would leave a gaping hole and huge risk in Disney…makes no sense.
Is this even a basketball game anymore, or am I watching a referee themed television show? -Juiceboxjerry
Vince Carter going to the Wizards totally makes up for the 20 pts he dropped on us in the 1st half
right after i shit talked him for a week
Taj Gibson needs Horace Grant goggles
I don't care what any of these other fools do.
We need to get a a true SG (Fernandez, Thorton, Smith or S. Jackson) and a healthy Noah back. Jell on O and D and win a damn championship. because a line-up of :
Rose
Smith / Fernandez / S. Jax
Deng
Boozer
Noah and a bench of Korver, Brewer, Watson and Gibson trumps what ever those tards can put on a floor.
Rose 2010!!!!!
the pinstripe post threads (referencing realGM stuff) are talking about a 3 way
between washington, phoenix and orlando. i think its:
PHX: carter, gortat
WSH: lewis
ORL: hedo, jrich, clark, arenas
would ORL’s starting lineup be: howard, hedo, jrich, arenas, jameer? weird group.
'David Lee is better than Taj Gibson, that is a fact. Consequently, Dorell Wright can shut down Deng.'
Can’t argue with that logic…
- Sleepy Freud
seems like a lot to get back.
ALL I want for Christmas is a starting NBA shooting guard and throw in a decent backup point guard!!! Come on Paxson.. seriously John Lucas 3?
Salaries match up on trade machine
but orlando is predicted to get 7 wins worse
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
by Rex Grossman on Dec 18, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Hedo starting over bass is likely, but dumb.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 18, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would love to piggy back on a Was-Orl trade...
I saw that Washington is looking for a 1st in the trade.. I wonder if they would be willing to give up Nick Young for an additional 1st. They are really in rebuilding mode, and I would think getting as many picks as possible would be of interest to them. Also have seen that Houston has had talks about acquiring Gortat.
We could try to sweet talk our way into something like this:
Wizards Get: Rashard Lewis from ORL, JJ from CHI, Courtney Lee from HOU, and 1st round picks from CHI and ORL
Magic Get: Gilbert Arenas from WAS, and Brad Miller from HOU
Rockets Get: Marcin Gortat from ORL, Kurt Thomas and Keith Bogans from CHI, and future 1st from CHI
Bulls Get: Nick Young from WAS, Jordan Hill from HOU, and 2nd round picks from WAS and HOU
Works $ wise
Bulls get their starting SG, in Young. An active big man, in Hill, to log some minutes down low while Noah is out. and some valuable 2nd rounders to help round out the roster next season. While still keeping our most important rotation guys AND the CHAR pick.
Wizards get rid of Arenas, get a nice young complement to Wall and replacement for Young, in Lee. Much needed depth at the SF/PF position, in Lewis and JJ. And they’ll have 3 picks in next year’s draft.
Magic get Arenas and out from under Lewis’s killer contract. A viable backup to Howard and replacement for Gortat, in Miller. And can still pull off <a href=“http:// ”http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cc73fk" target="_blank">http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cc73fk" target="new">the trade for JRich and Hedo, by sending VC and Redick over to Phoenix.
Rockets get a quality big man to plug in down low with Yao being out for the year again, and 2 nice backups at the SG and PF/C positions, plus an extra 1st round pick in 2011.
with arenas gone
i think they might try to focus on nick young being the sg of the future for them. Hes put together a few good games this year. If nothing more he is their sixth man at the sg spot. I think they are more willing to see how he plays out and what kind of contract he wants…my guess is he ends up in free agency before the trade block….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
courtney lee gets moved and we end up with nick young? no thanks. plus i doubt they move hill anytime soon
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I think Nick Young is a better player than Courtney Lee
He is really turning into a dynamite off-the-ball scorer.
he's streaky, inefficient and lousy on D
i go with Lee for consistency and hustle.
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
clarified for jsb
No he isn’t but we do not need occasionally great.
WojYahooNBA
The Magic are desperate to please Dwight Howard and keep him out of free agency in two years. Will this be enough? half a minute ago via web
by Jamaic on Dec 18, 2010 1:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
UPDATE: Orlando makes deal with Phoenix
Chris Broussard has the full deal with Phoenix: hx sends Hedo/J Rich/Earl Clark to Orlando for Vince/Gortat/Pietrus, 2011 first round pick and cash considerations.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2010 1:39 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
still talking like Lewis-for-Arenas is coming next.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think the Bulls feel they NEED to do anything
and especially with Noah out, I don’t see us beating down the door for contention by February and The Org. feeling they need to make a finals push this season.
It’s “Let it breathe” time!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Totally, no need for the Bulls to make a move
to contend or even to help them get a better playoff seeding. They are almost guaranteed 4th seed, (Late push by Milwaukee excepted). Any move that sacrifices the future for now is a bad move.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 18, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
I like it for Orlando
people are saying this weakens the Magic up front, but they barely played Gortat anyway. Certainly Rashard Lewis isn’t anymore of a real PF than Turkoglu.
C- Howard
PF- Bass
SF- Turkoglu
SG- J. Richardson
PG- Nelson
6th- Arenas
7th- Q. Richardson
8th- Reddick
That’s a pretty amazing playoff rotation. Plus they can easily go small with Turk at PF, J.Rich at SF and Arenas at SG which would be a really hard lineup to stop.
All this assumes Turkoglu can step back up to the level he was at with the Magic last time though.
by JSlakov on Dec 18, 2010 1:50 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Can Turkoglu be amazing ?
Its like Orlando wanted a mulligan on not signing Turkoglu, based not on the performance of Hedo but on the performance of Carter. Hedo has been awful since leaving Orlando, but its a stretch to think he’ll snap back into form. He’s been awful not because he’s been out of the system but because he’s just awful
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 18, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
he wasn't even that great when he was in Orlando
but maybe the fit makes all the difference. I would consider putting him on the bench too, and instead have both Richardsons bombing from 3. But I suppose they like the ‘versatility’ that Hedo brought as another ballhandler/creator.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't see how that lineup changes their game from what they have now
they just switch VC for JRich
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Richardson is a lot better than Carter.
And they should start Bass and that’s better for them
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 18, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
bass is getting no love but he's been a millsap-level monster at times
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe they do it just for Howard's comfort level.
This would have been a dynasty 2-3 years ago. Now, Arenas can’t beat anyone off the dribble and Hedo has yet to justify the hype from that Finals run.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 18, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
doesn't matter. those aren't their franchise players now
they have one franchise player: Dwight. Then they have a shitload of over-qualified role players. count me on the side that says today made the magic a LOT better, barring some disastrous coaching
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
well
I don’t think he was amazing back when he was with the Magic but all he was really asked to do was shoot, feed the post and hit clutch shots. I think he can still do all that.
I say:
WHO EVEN CARES ABOUT TURKOGLU
THEY HAVE JASON RICHARDSON NOW, HE’S AN ACTUAL SG
…
problems.
The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!
Not like Turkoglu can be worse than Lewis anyways
The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!
Surely, Phoenix is preparing to deal again....right?
The value of Vince is his contract expiring after the season. Is this something Phoenix packages with Nash to get a big return?
by BO$CO on Dec 18, 2010 1:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
link or turn off your monitor.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
ha
ALL I want for Christmas is a starting NBA shooting guard and throw in a decent backup point guard!!! Come on Paxson.. seriously John Lucas 3?
Wow, Orlando is awesome.
On the bright side, this has to be the most awesome the NBA has been in years. Boston, LA, Chicago and New York are all good. Good young rookies (Griffin, Wall). Crazy cool teams in smaller markets like Orlando now. Pretty soon, people will be saying “Fuck football” (Kidding, I know that will never happen)
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
it's definitely trending towards fewer more powerful teams
it’s debateable whether that’s so great. But parity kindof blows.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't say it's parity
The NFL has parity, where you really have no fucking clue who’s good. In the NBA, I can tell you with a certain degree of certainty what teams will be around at he end of the year. I just think there’s a lot of talent, and more good teams. Which isn’t a bad thing
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think there is parity, but team's cycles are slower
because of the small number of players. Five years ago, you’d have named a different group of contenders. Not Boston, not LA, not Orlando, barely Miami (11-10 at this point 5 years ago).
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 18, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
rotation of good teams isn't parity
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If parity is defined as
every team is equally good, or has an equal shot at winning the trophy, then no.
But in the NBA, every team has an equal shot at becoming good over time if they make smart decisions, which I think is more interesting. It makes winning a championship more epic.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 18, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I agree. But that's not parity.
In that sense, then every professional sport has parity.
And no, not every team has equal chances of being good. As much as I love OKC, we’ll have to see if they actually pay to keep all of their players. If they don’t, they don’t have an “equal chance”. And if you’re saying money doesn’t matter, just the ‘chance’, then there is parity in baseball, too.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 18, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It's harder to tell who's good in the NFL because of the small amount of games.
Like, if we had the same amount of games, the Hornets would have been considered one of the best teams at the end of the regular season (13-3?).
eat. sleep. hoop. repeat. become legendary.
That isn't really parity between teams.
Due to the influence of luck and complexity the NFL standings are inherently less useful in determining who the best team is. In basketball skill rises to the top as fast or faster than basically any other team sport. Yet basketball still plays an 82 game schedule. Where as Football is forced to play a limited schedule due to the risk of injury, and injury still ends up playing a huge role in the expectation of many teams by the end of the year. To even roughly analyze football team on paper you need to look at least 20 players and 3 coaches deep. In Basketball 6 players and 1 coach probably tells you more about how good a team is.
I hate the parity argument anyways yeah you could get to the Superbowl but you'll either get beat by Manning or Brady.
ALL I want for Christmas is a starting NBA shooting guard and throw in a decent backup point guard!!! Come on Paxson.. seriously John Lucas 3?
yeah, that Manning...he's always tearing it up in the superbowl
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by paddyfairview on Dec 19, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What happens to Jameer Nelson now? He's their super third guard?
Actually, that might be the best role for him, if he’s ok with it
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
I'm not sure they push him to the bench
Kind of a slap to the face, especially since he’s one of the leaders on that team. Also, not sure Arenas is all that much better.
They're not bringing in Arenas to come off the bench...
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Nelson-Arenas-JRich-Bass-Howard
unconventional? maybe. terrifying? certainly.
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Did Dwight Howard get traded?
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize Vince Crter and Rashard Lewis were defensive stalwarts.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I agree. Pretty awesome.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't see why they'd go forward with the Arenas deal now
Nelson, Arenas, Richardson, Redick, seems like a huge glut when all they have up front is Howard and Bass. Especially since they have plenty of wing scoring now they’d probably be better off trying to trade him for another decent post player.
Lewis is untradeable except for another bad contract
I wonder if they could flip JRich for a big man?
Taj?
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
(kidding btw)
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I thought about how we could have gotten JRich from the Suns
Just don’t think the contracts would have matched up right.
Me too
That was the one guy that I thought would be guaranteed awesomness for us
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
that's the plus side of handing out big, stupid contracts
wait a few years, and you’re suddenly in the running for any asset
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I would've loved in the Bull's couldve jumped in that and made it a three way
J-Rich to the Bulls, Gibson and a pick or two to the Magic?
Flip Bogans and Korver and it works again
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2wmrtwn
I kind of like that trade for everyone. Brewer replaces Pietrus’s defense, and Korver’s another guy who fits perfectly in their system.
Bulls get Williams to back up Rose, and CJ becomes Richardson’s back up.
Phoenix has to take on Bogans, but maybe we throw them a pick to make it worth it.
I wouldn't make that trade
That basically destroys the Bulls depth. You’re starting lineup would be improved once Noah gets back, but the bench would be horrific. Before Noah gets back I am not even sure the starting lineup is that improved (assuming that you consider one of Brewer/Korver) the true starter at 2 guard.
i find it hilarious that all teams lose wins on that deal
according to the trade machine
How about Lewis for Brand?
His post scoring would be nice when the shooters go cold, and if nothing else he’d be great to sop up some minutes when Howard/Bass get in foul trouble. Arenas just seems redundant when they have so many other scorers/play-makers on the wings.
what other playmakers? i think they're in serious need of a second playmaker
they have shooters but their paint and perimeter guys get walled off from each other sometimes.
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
oh after the trade
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
I seriously think it's because they already owned us anyway
It can’t get worse
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I have to agree with JBJ
They massacred us already. The FO could be doing just as much to make moves, but sadly no word other than a rumor about JR Smith.
This was a swap of expirings and bad contracts
Bulls have no big expiring contracts and their worst contract is a guy that is actually fairly valuable to the team. Getting JRich would have been awesome, but I don’t think the Bulls had the pieces to get that done.
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magics, heats, and celtic
c’mon now
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This only makes the Magic marginally better I think
Arenas isn’t any good anymore. J-Rich is probably an upgrade over Vince, but they get weaker in the front-court.
Losing Pietrius also takes away their best perimeter defender.
its a shakeup because what they had isn't working
definitely not a straight upgrade on paper, although i think they’ll get better
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
I agree it makes them better
But, I don’t see this as a “oh, shit now the Magic are awesome” type deal. They improve, sure, but I still think they aren’t as scary as the Heat or Celtics.
agreed
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
It almost seems like a lateral move
to give up on the inside out offense. I think the offense will be more dynamic with more penetration and less threes.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 18, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Less 3s?
Arenas barely ever drives the ball anymore. He takes almost 7 3s a game and 3 FTs a game. Richardson takes about 6 3s a game in Phoenix. Turk takes about 1/2 his shots from 3 at about 4 per game.
Lewis takes 5, Carter takes a little under 4, Pietrus about 5. Gortat none.
To me it looks more like they traded some offense for defense and rebounding really.
I wonder
what Orlando will do about JRich in the offseason. Can they afford to resign him? As good as this team could be, it might take more than one season to gel and if they lost JRich for nothing, then it would be a big blow to possible championships in the future.
i wonder if they will try to swing someone later on at the deadline for melo
jameer and arenas make a terrible backcourt
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
they'd have to trade for picks, too.
denver would want reddick and bass, and bass can’t go now.
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
No way Orlando has enough to get Melo
The Knicks package (Gallinari, Chandler etc.) is probably more attractive than what the Magic could put together.
I'd rather see Lewis on the Suns than on the Wiz.
Phoenix is the fountain of youth. VC doesn’t deserve that.
Understandable I suppose
Heat are most likely as vulnerable as they will be baring injury this year.
hobbled Wall gets to run the blatche-lewis-good nick/bad nick-mcgee's wasted potential show
we need to rescue Kirk
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i love the phx deal for orlando
But why do the washington deal?
They’re essentially restoring the roster that made finals and trading couurtney llee for jrich. I would keep shard
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ugh. why?
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
why keep rashard? what does he contribute? wouldn't anyone be thrilled to dump that contract?
especially with a playoff run coming up
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Because Lewis is even worse than Arenas
This deal is mind-boggling. I guess I can see why Orlando would do it; Rashard’s PER is currently 69th among power forwards. 69th! For a guy with two more years and 45 million left on his contract after this year. And given that his defense at PF is so bad, he might actually be even worse that 69th. In exchange for that (and an additional year’s commitment, and about 15 million more in total cost) they get a PG whose PER is currently 36th at that position. I suppose it’s an upgrade of sorts; Arenas is better than Rashard right now and looks like he has more in the tank. From Washington’s point of view, they actually save a little money long term and get a huge contract off their books one year earlier (two and a half years from now instead of three and a half). But yuck – what a bitter pill for Washington to swallow.
by thelivingant on Dec 18, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
It pushes Blatche to the bench.
And gives some continuity and dependability to the Wiz front court. Wall needs more players that are good at basketball to play with. Arenas could have been using more ball time that Wall needed and will need to improve.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 18, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
I can’t see why the Wiz would start Lewis over Blatche. Blatche is a much better player at this point.
by thelivingant on Dec 18, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Cuz he has reputation and gets paid and coaches think about dumb things like that.
Who is better is a secondary matter sometimes.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't think Blatche is better than Lewis
I think Blatche is pretty awful. He’s a raw dude.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 18, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
oh my god did you just equate Rashard Lewis with continuity and dependability?
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
he dependably sucks
Blatche doesn’t dependably do anything
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lol
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by paddyfairview on Dec 19, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Not official yet
But everyone not on a major sports network is confirming that Arenas has been dealt.
http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/statuses/16017401699106816
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/articles/112472-report-gilbert-arenas-traded-to-the-magic
Doesn't this essentially take them out of the running for Melo?
And even CP3?
I’m still on the fence about acquiring Melo… I’d be happy either way… but it’s getting hard to not be a little worried.
All you need to do to realize he’s not signing with the Nets is watch that reaction vid.
New York? He definitely wants to go there, but are they gonna gut their young talent for him? Do they even have the assets? Ever since they started playing well, quite a few NY fans seems to be against trading Gallo and/or Chandler and/or whoever for him. I worry that we may be doing the same thing with Deng and Taj.
Chicago may be emerging as an even likelier destination for Melo to end up in. Is that what we want? I don’t know. Tell me I’m not the only one dealing with this dilemma.
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I wonder what Rose wants
He made it pretty obvious prior to this season he would rather have had Joe Johnson than Lebron James. My question is, does he want Melo? And if we do get him, how does that effect Rose?
This is the main reason I'm on the fence.
Would Melo accept it’s Rose’s team?
How would their scoring mesh?
Would they coexist?
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Would he play defense? Would he be a black hole on O.
Unfortunately, no and yes.
oh he'll play defense
im absolutely sure of that after watching our team.
you dont get to be lazy here.
korver and boozer are both notoriously bad defenders but ive liked the effort ive seen from both of them here.
i dont think theres any doubt anymore that thibs will make you compete hard.
its up to melo whether he wants to come here though
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
And I think he really does want to come here. More than the media thinks
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What made you think so?
For me, it was him retweeting that article that predominantly talked about him joining the Bulls and beating the Heat. And when the Nuggets played in Chicago he seemed to really like the city, fans, tradition, etc. You know, stuff like that.
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(not that I think Chicago is his first choice, but maybe it is, who knows)
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i agree. melo is capable on defense when he actually tries.
everytime he went up against Lebron he played great D on him. i’m convinced being around a team that has bought in to what Thibs preaches will rub off on Melo.
dont forget the west conference finals against the lakers
he was great defensively in that series
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I don't think its like that for Rose
He seems to walk around with the swag of believing that there isn’t anything he can’t do. The Bulls were trying to recruit Lebron and Rose wasn’t really quick to do that. He probably still believes that the Bulls could still compete with the Magic.
who the fuck cares whos team it is
the better player will take command. if rose is the leader we all believe him to be i dont see any reason why melo wouldnt follow.
hes been following billups for 2+ years now
now the media? theyll probably spin it in a hundred different ways. melo’s team. rose’s team. blah blah blah
but i dont see any reason why melo wouldnt be able to defer to rose and let rose run the team. and plus with everyone else already bought into thibs’ system melo would have to know what hes coming into. hes not going to get his way with bulls management
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I'm not as worried about that
Its about when the times get rough or the game gets low. Will both be able to keep there composure and play off each other. Those 2 are my favorite players in the game, but I know Melo has an ego (whether or not he’s showing it lately, though he has kept it in check), but when times get hard, will he and Rose still be able to keep a chemistry together? That’s what my question is. Winning solves everything yes. But what will a loss do?
nothing?
i mean hes been losing in denver for a while now.
its not like denver was the greatest team in the west.
he didnt push out iverson. he has pushed out billups
i dont think he’ll push out rose or call him out if they had a rough stretch at some point
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Well technically
Iverson is the one person in the NBA (or was in the NBA) who had an attitude nobody could top.
i think rose has proven it's not in him to fold and quit when times get rough.
i don’t see how melo being on the team would ever change that.
Make a move
Yao is done for the year maybe longer i say we go after kevin Martin And Chuck hayes Or Bring back Brad miller
I'm all for picking up K-Mart
But after how he has played these last few games for him, I don’t see it being easy.
i don't think any of those guys are attainable right now
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Especially with Houston
They’re becoming Portland-style, where they have to be raping the other team in order to make a trade
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
somebody with an Insider account should go see what they're saying about Bulls trades on ESPN
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LOL you guys wanna know what it is?
The Bulls are going to be without starting center Joakim Noah for about 8 to 10 weeks, so the team is exploring the possibility of making a move for a big man.
“We’ll continue to look at it,” general manager Gar Forman told ESPNChicago.com. “We’ve already talked some about the possibility of looking into either a trade or picking somebody up, but at this point, we’ll go with what we have. We do think we have some depth. Taj Gibson has stepped in, obviously in the past and done a very good job. I think it’s an opportunity for guys. It’s an opportunity for Omer Asik to play some.”
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by sin on Dec 18, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
so "Insider" means three day old local media. awesome
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Magic have improved more than we're giving them credit for
Richardson is a better version of Pietrus (and Pietrus’ defense is very overrated, seems like all you have to do is defend Kobe for a series and people assume you’re good on D). They now have 2 perimeter players who can make a shot of their own at any time. This is when the Bulls lacking good perimeter D will hurt us. I mean sure, we can stop one of those guys driving/trying to get a shot off with ease, but when one penetrates and they get the ball moving, we can’t afford to let our rotations be slow, else someone gets an easy shot.
Meeting Orl in the playoffs is a worst-case scenario at this point, imo.
I definitely think the big deal is a lateral move.
Richardson is a better perimeter shooter but is smaller than Vince and less of a creator. Hedo can do nothing but shoot threes now days and is a weaker defender than Pietrus. And then you have back-up bigs.
I don’t know about the Arenas thing though; I think he is the wild-card. When he’s in will he try to be Agent 0 again or will he confirm to what SVG wants? Will he be a good partner for Howard? I don’t know.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 18, 2010 3:06 PM CST reply actions
they have room to start bass now though
having a conventional front court i think is really going to help them especially against the celtics.
and against miami they can go small.
they need a vet big man and theyll be deadly
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Gortat on the suns.
Will be awesome and weird?
Yeah, they needed to get younger
and now they have a center! And maybe they can play Lopez at PF or something
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Arenas to Orlando for Lewis is done, sources say. Deal has been completed.
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Wow, give the Orlando GM a freaking plaque for pulling that one off
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 18, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
lol
it’s the two worst contracts in the NBA being traded for each other.
kinda like when we traded wallace for hughes. and these contracts are even worse.
Nah
It’s more like the second worst for the fourth worst or something like that. Brandon Roy’s contract may be worse than either of them at this point. (First year of a five year contract, no meniscus, nothing that can be done medically.) At least Rashard’s is done in two and a half more years.
by thelivingant on Dec 18, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
It's not the hardest sell in the world
Otis Smith: “Hey, how’d you like to save $15 mil?”
by reprisal on Dec 18, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
now the question is
which contender can shore up the money for nash.
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
i be quaking in my boots if that happened
sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
Most logical Nash trade: Nash to Knicks for Felton + an expiring deal. Then NYK goes all in for the Melo-Nash-Amare pipe dream.
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
Doesn't Steve Nash turn 40 next year?
I wouldn’t be too worried…he is already breaking down…
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Nash is still awesome
he got my All Star votes
No hot sauce?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 21, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Do they even need Melo at that point???
I’d be so depressed.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 18, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
something like this is gonna happen
and the East will turn into a dogfight between five teams that destroy everyone else. like, for the next 5 years. i’m kinda down…
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
A ballhandling, creating 2 that has good size, can play D, and hit the 3.
Whodafuckisdat?
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But is he a good ballhandler no homo?
Haven’t really watched him play much.
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That's his biggest complaint in Portland, he doesn't get to be a playmaker.
Plus I wouldn’t want to take the ball out of Derrick’s hands. He shot 40% from 3 his rookie year and was in the dunk contest as well.
Rose 2010!!!!!
Why not? He would be our 4th option.
Someone to space the floor, play D and finish a Rose pass on the break.
Rose 2010!!!!!
He has the physical tools to be a good defender.
I’m sure Thibs would be able to get it out of him.
Rose 2010!!!!!
yeah i got no problem with him except price tag
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
For a first other than the one we have from Charlotte, he seems worth a flier. He can shoot, and we would still have both Korver and Brewer on the second unit, which currently seems to be working pretty well. Cho seems delusional. It seems like Fernandez is determined to be out of there as soon as his contract is up; with the possibility of a lock-out, this could actually be his last year in the NBA. Which means that his value is sinking. We might still give him one of our firsts (not the Charlotte first) for Fernandenz; how can he conceivably think that anyone will give him more for what may turn out to be a brief rental? And why would he want to hang onto a player that clearly will not stay there and whose trade value is sinking by the day? One of our late first rounders would have greater appeal to most teams than Fernandez if Portland wants to rebuild.
by thelivingant on Dec 18, 2010 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
i dont know
but we found the one guy in the nba that cant do any of that
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
by sin on Dec 18, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
And what's even worse
Our head coach is his biggest supporter and loves him more than anyone on the team.
this is getting shakespearian. congrats, bogans, you are all-time-tragedy bad
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have Rose take a fadeaway with like 10 hands in his face anywhere on the court
than have Bogans take a wide open 3 for the win.
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by Sir Buckets on Dec 18, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This would be funnier if it weren't completely and absolutely true.
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yeah...
pondering
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Don't be down Rose, Boozer and Noah are awesome.
Deng, Korver, Gibson and Brewer are good as well. We only need to tweek our roster, not a complete overhaul.
Rose 2010!!!!!
i mean i'm down for the dogfight lol
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
glad someone said it.
People forget…were good, even with our problems, even with no SG, just ask the Lakers. Once we fill these positions were ready for the dogfight.
also, you had “Rose and Noah”, seriously fuck the Knicks, fuck the magic, fuck steve nash and fuck agent zero.
Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.
Another reason I think we should maybe get Melo.
To prevent another superteam from forming.
Granted, Nash/Melo/Amar’e doesn’t exactly make me quiver in my shoes. Nooooot a lot of D there lol.
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That NYC team would play no defense and would lose to us in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Rose 2010!!!!!
Amar'e has been playing better D lately
I mean he’s no shut down player. But he has been far more active on the boards then in earlier in his career.
Yeah, but none of those is a really good defender. And them playing under Mike wouldn't exactly help.
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Amare would get destroyed by Booz on D and locked down by Noah on O.
Rose would just destroy Nash and Deng would make Melo work./
Rose 2010!!!!!
there were times last night when his effort on D was pathetic
the Knicks got exposed (to anyone who thought they were good, that is). only reason it was close was Gallinari going off in the 1st half
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
considering the phx team almost made the finals last year
im quaking if i see melo with the nash amare pick and roll
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depends what they give up
that phx team had perfect roles for perfect role players
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
they just gotta keep that fields kid
that kid is something else
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Wow,
Almost made the finals.
Like that’s an accomplishment…Lebron’s Cleveland team actually made the finals, as did Howard’s Magic…those Suns teams were not that good.
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in the west its a big deal
they gave the lakers pretty much all they could handle
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Man, you have an uninformed simplistic view of things.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
they almost made the finals in the west
that basically equates to ‘almost won the finals’ given the disparity of the conferences at that time
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As much as I like Nash
That is a pretty fucking risky proposition for New York: basically they significantly shorten the window for their team to contend, thanks to the age disparity between Nash and Felton, and also are gambling a lot on Nash being able to play at a high level through his chronic back problems.
I know it sounds a lot splashier – and Nash despite his age is, at his best, better than Felton – but I’d probably stick with Felton if I’m making decisions for the Knicks. However, if Nash stayed healthy enough, that team would be pretty insane for a couple years.
Yeah, I agree with that
I would love to see them get Nash somehow but Felton’s playing great for them.
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God, I know I don't think the Bulls should stay pat, but I really think the Knicks should.
They’re not a great team, and I might love Nash more than most, but I can’t see him having that much left.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 18, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hmm i just had a thought
not that phx would ever want to help the lakers probably
but the lakers created a 4m trade exception in the vujacic trade
if they were to trade blake and some crap they could acquire nash
kobe/nash/artest/pau/bynum would destroy teams
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
this seems less than impossible
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
best part about the lewis/arenas trade?
the clippers still cant get rid of baron
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you know whats hilarious?
if miami wasnt paying bosh near 160 mil they could actually trade for nash
i wonder how long until lebron and wade rip on bosh for being useless and taking up all the cap space
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
You do realize Bosh has been really good for the past month?
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 18, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
scoring wise yeah
but hes still crapping it up on the boards.
its like rebounds are too hard to grab at 7 feet
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Bosh is the not-crappy version of Rashard Lewis at this point
“I can shoot clutch threes now! weee”
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to where? a team with two starting point guards?
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
time for bulls to get their feet wet in the trade pools please
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I don't understand
How you can be a GM of a NBA Team and be stingy with money. That’s like living in the Playboy Mansion and being a virgin.
by macjack09 on Dec 18, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The Magic are contenders
and they have an owner who spends. The Bulls despite a 7 game streak, are not contenders, but anticipate being so in the next couple of years. The Bulls can afford to be patient and look for solid moves rather than risky moves.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 18, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
By the deadline we should either
1) Make a smart trade for a quality SG upgrade
2) Get Melo
If we can’t do either of those, wait it out. No need to do something stupid.
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to make big moves you have to have shit to trade. no one on our squad makes bank right now
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
that's constructive
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
yes
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i hope arenas goes back to 0 when he arrives in orlando
agent zero needs to return.
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
Too bad Williams already has "44".
That would crack my shit up
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hahaha
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Watch the highlights
http://www.nba.com/games/20101217/MINPOR/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000391#nbaGIboxscore
Get. This. Man.
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by Sir Buckets on Dec 18, 2010 3:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Orlando's projected lineup:
Nelson – Duhon – Williams
Arenas – Reddick
Jason Richardson – Quentin Richardson
Bass – Hedo – Anderson – clark
Howard -
If they start Hedo, which they will, they are stooooopid.
What they should so is try to flip Hedo for a back-up C. There is someone that has to be dumb enough to do that. hedo for Varejao? That would be a nice move.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Although you're right, Richardson is a much better player than Hedo
My guess is:
Nelson/Arenas/Duhon/Williams
Richardson/Arenas/Redick
Turkoglu/Q-Rich
Bass/Anderson
Howard/????
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
I guess. I was just thinking of starting the best players, but I could see that.
Starting Hedo is dumb. he’s too much of a ballhog.
But yeah, they don’t hav emuch at SF.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think a 4 guard rotation of
Nelson – Arenas – JRich – Reddick is pretty awesome. Leave Duhon out completely.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 18, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
i guess we know why they want to flip Reddick
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Oh my, Varejao on that team?
Two guys who are/were DPOY candidates???
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 18, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Magic will regret trading Gortat
They now have nobody backing up Howard and the only other big they really have is Bass.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Anderson
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Anderson's actually pretty good
he just never got any burn because of the logjam there
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Damn
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Arenas to Magic is a done deal.
I’m watching the Wizzards president on NBA TV right now.
Screw it. We should trade for S.Jax and call it a say.
Jordan pretty much has his whole roster on the trade block. We are 2 mil under the cap, so Brewer, JJ and cash, maybe a pick would probably get it done. He’s 32 and has 2 more years left on his deal after this year. I’m sure he’s not gonna drop off next year then the following year he will be an expiring.
Rose 2010!!!!!
by illwill on Dec 18, 2010 4:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
People that aren't understanding them
getting Hedo are missing the move. He allows them to play the type of offense they want where then have a ball handling SF who play at the top of the key and in transition. Howard is the key to their team. It doesn’t really matter who’s around him as long as they can get him the ball and make teams pay from outside.
I’m not OK with the Bulls standing pat and being happy with the 4th seed. They need a SG but unfortunately with Noah getting hurt, Gar/Pax may be even more gun shy to make a move that involves Taj. But these guys can’t just stand pat and live with Bogans.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Teams are dumping players (Smith, Fernandez and Jackson) no need to include Taj.
Rose 2010!!!!!
by illwill on Dec 18, 2010 5:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If this doesn't work out, it could blow up in Orlando's faces
high risk – high reward move. Hedo and Arenas have horrible contracts. The best player they traded for, Richardson, is a free agent at the end of the year. If he bolts or worse, if they resign him and he sucks, they could be wrecked with bad contracts.
Arenas with a championship? Stern must be breaking out in cold sweats right now.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 18, 2010 5:10 PM CST reply actions
I hope it does blow up in their faces.
And the Celtics are getting older by the day. It’ll be us and Miami fighting for the top of the East in the near future. We still need a SG and a quality back up PG but theres a lot of time between now and the feb. trade deadline. No need for us to panic.
Yeah it's gonna either gonna win them a ring or ruin thier franchise.
Rose 2010!!!!!
by illwill on Dec 18, 2010 5:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if it doesnt work it it doesnt matter
they were going to implode sooner or later.
vc and shard were getting more and more useless
dwight is a free agent in 2 years
they have no real young talent
jameer is the closest thing to that.
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
yeah but now they've added Arenas and Hedo's contracts
onto their already bloated contract situation. They are locked in with this team and these luxury tax payments now.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 18, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Haha on NBA TV whenever they show Arenas highlights
they show a three he hit in Bogan’s face. Makes me laugh I don’t know why.
Well DUH lol.
“Hey, I know you’re on an elite team and everything, but here’s some plane tickets to
a) The Washington fucking Wizards
or
b) The rebuilding Suns
/trollface
eat. sleep. hoop. repeat. become legendary.
My take
Lewis for Arenas, on its own, is a good move. Lewis sucks, and getting rid of him is addition by subtraction. Having a floor-spacing 4 is nice, but when you’re loaded with shooters everywhere else, it’s really not that big of a deal, and Lewis’s defensive shortcomings made him a net negative, IMO. Arenas adds another scoring option in the halfcourt, which is something Orlando could definitely use.
The Phoenix trade, on the other hand, is just moving parts for the sake of moving parts, if you ask me. JRich is an upgrade from Vince but losing Gortat weakens their frontcourt so that’s more or less a wash. Turkoglu does a lot more offensively than Pietrus, but Pietrus is the better defender and makes far less money. In the end, Orlando is better, but not by much.
Pat Riley is the devil.
lol. i think he's got a ways to go yet. although you could make an argument about Lewis being Haynesworth
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by paddyfairview on Dec 18, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe we can trade him Bogans for Redick
lessen the luxury cap hit >:)
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This is great!
Wait, no one took Duhon?
Crap!
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by L Magico on Dec 18, 2010 2:26 PM CST reply actions 14 recs
ALL I want for Christmas is a starting NBA shooting guard and throw in a decent backup point guard!!! Come on Paxson.. seriously John Lucas 3?
On second thought
I like this for Orlando IF, big if, Arenas can stay healthy. I don’t know how its going to work chemistry wise, who do you start, who gets shots, etc. Their best 5 will probably be Nelson, Arenas, Richardson, Bass, Howard. But that is a talented group. You still have Hedo, Ryan Anderson, Duhon, Q, Jason Williams and JJ Redick on the bench. If they can flip one of those guys for another backup center, they are going to be loaded.
If they can make it work, they now have guys who can hit shots and penetrate off of double-teams of Howard. Plus you don’t have to run every play through him on offense. Arenas and Otis Smith know each other; so he is gambling on his health and his maturity. But if it pays off, they will be tough to beat. Especially for us. Do not want to see this team in the playoffs.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 19, 2010 4:16 PM CST reply actions
they dont need reddick anymore, can we have him?
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Wow. They have a ton of distributors/creators now.
Nelson, Duhon, Williams, Arenas, and Turkoglu.
If they can get a decent backup center, they are primed and good to go for a realistic shot at an NBA Finals appearance.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
they already have a realistic shot at an NBA finals appearance
they can recall Orton, they drafted him this year.
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
by Rex Grossman on Dec 20, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Lol...
So Arenas has played for the Wizards and the Magic in his career.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Other than Howard, they haven't exactly been a defensively loaded team the past few years yet still been a top 5 D
VC is probably average at best and Pietrus, who wasn’t even getting many minutes, is above average. Gortat’s a good defensive C but he was only playing 16 min/g
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