(Update with Trade Machine Awesomeness) Iguodala: The Best - and Only - Trade the Bulls Need to Make; And It Should Happen on Wednesday
by tyger1147 on Dec 12, 2010 4:38 PM CST
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I've mentioned the following trade a few times already in various threads, but with a) Thibs still starting Bogans and b) December 15th approaching quickly, I wanted to throw it up one more time. Following, is the trade. After the jump, is the explanation. Add your own trade proposals or tell me why mine sucks.
Bulls trade away: Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver, James Johnson, Bobcats' first round pick, $3 million ($11.5 outgoing salary)
Bulls trade for: Andre Iguodala ($12,345,250 incoming salary), TeamC's first round pick.
Philly trades away: Andre Iguodala (outgoing $12,345,250)
Philly trades for: Kyle Korver, Player X, $3 million, Bulls 2011 first round pick (incoming salary must be between $9,876,200 & %15,431,562)
TeamC trades away: Player X (2011 first round pick)
TeamC trades for: Ronnie Brewer
Before I get into the things about TeamC and Player X, I will acknowledge that I know that those things the Bulls give up are of far more value than Iguodala. That is, in a vacuum, or in a Profit Championship. Luckily, the Bulls aren't - or shouldn't be - playing for a Profit Championship, and they don't work in a vacuum. The non-players are easily changeable, however. Here's the team for this year.
Rose - Watson
Iguodala - Watson - Bogans
Deng - Iguodala
Boozer - Gibson - Thomas
Noah - Asik - Thomas
The team suffers from 3-pt shooting, certainly. It doesn't have a typical, do-nothing PG. And it doesn't have a lot of depth if Boozer goes down again and they want to give Deng 10 mpg at PF. But that's this year. Next year, if exceptions remained the same, they could use the MLE, BAE and/or veteran exceptions to get those positions. Or they could simply buy a draft pick or two in the first or second and go that route. But this starting team is as balanced and powerful as it probably comes. Deng is your fourth best scoring option. Say what you want about him, but that's effin' great.
I don't know what Philly could get better for Iggy. a sharp-shooter, an expiring contract (see below), one or two first round picks?
About the specifics: I would start with offering less than that. Not $3 million, not giving up at least one of the picks, etc., but I would definitely go to this much to get Iguodala and not give up starters, Gibson or Asik.
TeamC would be a team that wouldn't mind getting a late first round pick and Ronnie Brewer for an expiring contract. Player X would be an expiring or two-year contract player between $4.8 million and $10 million.
Possibilities for TeamC and Player X:
Boston - Jermaine O'Neal, or Marquis Daniels+Nate Robinson
Miami - James Jones+Juwan+Stackhouse+yada,yada, yada (luckily, they don't match up well
Orlando - Pietrus (Brewer is better, even if only by a little)
Atlanta - Maurice Evans+Jason Collins+whatever
New Orleans - Willie Green+Mbenga (Brewer would be very, very interesting with Paul... and if we can keep Paul in N.O. instead of going to NYK with Amar'e, so much the better)
Dallas - DeShawn Stevenson+Alexis Aijinca (can the Bulls somehow get back Dominique Jones and/or Ian Mahinmi - I mean, they sent D.J. to the D-League)
Phoenix - Grant Hill+Earl Clark (I'd do it, but I don't know if Phoenix would)
Lakers - SASHA!!!,
Pacers - Posey, Others to combine
Portland - Not sure since they've already made trades an the sites aren't updated. Probably don't need an athletic wing since they have Matthews, Roy, Babbitt, Johnson, Batum, Fernandez, etc. Maybe they'd take Brewer and a future first for Fernandez and someone else???
Lakers would probably be the most likely. Vujacic is worthless to them and he's an expiring contract. And they aren't playing hot right now. I'd try to get a pick from them, in fact, or someone else. In that case, Philly would save roughly $44 million (contracts plus cash) while getting another project at SF and a first round pick.
UPDATE!
Bulls send out Korver, Brewer, Johnson, Charlotte's pick, all to Philly
76ers send over Iguodala.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cexu7q
What about getting some depth back
Bulls send Korver, Johnson, Charlotte pick to Philly, AND Brewer, next year's first to Miami
Philly sends Iggy to Chicago
Miami sends crap (House, Howard, Magloire, Pittman) to Philly, AND James Jones to Chicago.
(Heat still have Igauskas, Dampier and Anthony until Haslem is back, and MIller was shooting around and looking good the other day - they could start Miller and Ilgauskas with the Three, then bring Anthony, Haslem, Arroyo/Chalmers and Brewer off the bench)
Jones isn't great, but he's a good 3-pt shooter. Giving the Bulls depth that everyone is worried about
NOW YOU CAN DO OTHERS!!!
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i dont see how any of those situations helps philly in the long run or could be sold to their fan base well
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
by sin on Dec 12, 2010 4:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
of course id want iggy though if there was any possible way of getting him without giving up deng
rose/iggy/deng/booz/noah would be siiiiiick
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
well, they get "something" for Iggy in a first round pick or two... and they "save" $40+ million
Did I not make those clear enough and need to move them up?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
meh i dunno if thats an easy sell to the fan base but i could see it i guess
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
At the end of the day, I'd probably do it
just because we’re adding a really good player, and not giving up much. And it’s not like we’re ready to win a title with this team. Although I have serious doubts about whether Philly would do it, and how well Iggy would fit on this team. In many ways I can see Korver helping us a lot more
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2010 4:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I wouldnt make this trade with a lockout looming
This trade will have the Bulls paying all 5 starters $10 million+ when DRose signs his extension. Thats really dicey since we dont know what the salary situation will be like with the new CBA.
Besides Iggy doesnt provide any 3pters. The Bulls are still weak in that area, especially when you trade away the best 3pt shooter in Korvor.
by VaderMaul on Dec 12, 2010 4:54 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
They have two starters that shoot over 35%. How many more do you need?
And, I’d actually think the lockout looming would be incentive to do this. What if they make a hard cap of $75 million or something, and teams can only be grandfathered in? Probably be unfair, but something like that could happen. With the salaries of Deng, Boozer, Noah and then Rose, the Bulls might not have another chance to get significantly better.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'd be loathe to lose Korver's shooting. :(
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, three point shooting is pretty much a necessity if you wanna be a good team
and it’s not as replaceable as people make it out to be
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Even with Rose and Deng shooting the lights out AND Korver, the Bulls are still below average
with respect to the three point shooting. Iggy really exacerbates that problem.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
the lakers were a pretty terrible 3 point shooting team last year
at least their starting lineup was.
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
But they get to the line really, really well. Plus the Lakers offense last year was not as good
as it could or should have been. They also still had good spacing because of the triangle.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They actually didn't get to the line as much as I thought. I redact that point.
But they were a low turnover team, unlike the Bulls who turn it over quite a bit.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well yeah obviously we have flaws
i was just trying to say three point shooting isnt something you necessarily need to have that much if you have no holes anywhere else.
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
I agree.
3 pt shooting is a big deal. I love 3’s, and there are certain situations I think would occur where I’d think DAMN, wish they had Korver. But there’s plenty of those about another ball-handler now.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
wouldnt iggy help with the TO issues?
'David Lee is better than Taj Gibson, that is a fact. Consequently, Dorell Wright can shut down Deng.'
Can’t argue with that logic…
- Sleepy Freud
Probably not. His career TOV rate is 14.8%, which is not great.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 13, 2010 2:17 AM CST up reply actions
but each of his last 4 years he has posted a lower TOV% than the bulls
team currently is.
'David Lee is better than Taj Gibson, that is a fact. Consequently, Dorell Wright can shut down Deng.'
Can’t argue with that logic…
- Sleepy Freud
by TheMoon on Dec 13, 2010 2:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
meh, the Laker's disagree.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Even with this trade the Bulls aren't as talented as the Lakers.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree.
Kobe is clearly on the decline. As is Fisher and Artest. Maybe not as good as this year, but the Bulls defense would be Top 5. And, even while the offense struggles, I find it hard to believe Iggy makes them worse over 48 minutes.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 12, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but their length and size is what makes the lakers so hardf to handle
We don’t have anything like that. I love Noah, but he isn’t exactly a big body
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Bulls athleticism and speed would be what makes them hard to handle.
Deng can hang with Artest… but Fisher, Kobe and Bynum wouldn’t hold a candle to the speed and athleticism of Rose, Iguodala and Noah over the next few years.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Bynum's sheer size is his primary asset, not his athleticism
And he has a pretty nice post game to complement that. Whenever Gasol has been out and he can take his time on the block, he’s been a 20-10 player. Noah’s a terrific defensive center but that’s quite the size difference for him to make up for. That and he enables Gasol to play against opposing fours and as seen in the last few years in the playoffs, Gasol utterly dominates Boozer when matched straight-up.
Rose and Iggy would certainly be hell of a backcourt, but I’d imagine spacing would be problem unless Rose improves in that regard and you’d be wasting his talents by relying on him to fulfill a spacing role and not attacking the rim. A lineup like that would be ideal with a stretch four.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Dec 12, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand Bynum's size is his asset.
As is Noah’s athleticism.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah, like I said, I'd probably go for it
Just to add a talent like that to the roster. But I’m just not sure how successful it would be. In other words, I’d do it, but it’s not a slam dunk (bad pun intended)
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
The Lakers were 11th in offense last year and do things the Bulls aren't capable of doing.
For instance not turning the ball over hardly at all.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand.
and I think the Bulls would be 15th in offense. why? I don’t know. Is Top 5 defense and Better than average offense good enough to compete? I think so.
Then, like I said, come next year, they could go get those guys. Not as good as Korver, but not bad, either.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I mean, I hear you. If we can get Iggy for spare parts, I think you probably have to do it.
I’m just saying there’d be issues. Long term it’s probably worth it (especially if Uncle Jerry opens up his wallet), but this year I think they are worse off.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2010 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
oh yeah, bring up kyle weaver for back SG/SF
he has shot over 35% on 112 NBA attempts. I think he’s good. Or Derrick Byars.
I think they’d be better this year.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
How many minutes do either of those guys get? They aren't really good enough to justify putting them out there
their ability to provide spacing notwithstanding.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2010 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
15-20
a few less than what Korver gets. I’d play Iggy 33-35 mpg, and Weaver/Byars, etc 13-15 at SG and 5 or so at SF. As much as I like Korver, I don’t see how his 24 mpg 3.4 three’s per game affect the offense to such a vast degree as everyone else apparently does. It helps, no doubt, But Iggy would help a lot in other areas.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I guess I just can't ut too much stock into 20 mins vs. 35 mins...
…especially when that 35 mins will be much better overall.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Fit does matter, though. Iggy would not be able to throw an entry pass into Boozer, much like
Ronnie Brewer had issues with the other night because guys sag off him.
He also wouldn’t be a threat off of kickouts from double teams on Boozer, so Boozer would be getting swarmed a lot more.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand, but you imply that Iggy doesn't bring something in the fit that Brewer, Korver don't.
Boozer is great on pick and roll and good on jumpshots, no? If he’s outside and so is Noah, the Bullshave two options to get to the hoop.
I guess I’mjust looking for someone else so that Rose doesn’t have to shoulder all of the shot-creating load.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The title drew me in. Got me excited.
Thorough. Disappointment.
eat. sleep. hoop. repeat. become legendary.
by Sir Buckets on Dec 12, 2010 5:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 12, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I will eat my hat. Nay...someone else's hat
if the Bulls acquired another 7-figure player without giving up one (or two).
I think Iguodala-for-parts deal is pretty awesome, Bulls can try for a dominating starting-5 (as opposed to a top-5 player system) to compete for a title. But, nah.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 12, 2010 5:13 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I agree.
Call this me being optimistic that Reinsdorf is telling the truth and spend. Like you with Rose being great, I can’t believe the Bulls will ever be true contenders if Reinsdorf is going to be cheap when it comes to actually shelling out the bucks. I guess that’s the biggest thing about me staying excited.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
even if he's not full of crap
the only thing he’s conceded is spending if the Bulls already became a contender. So that’s more like if the Bulls make the ECF, and then Rose gets his extension (and they are likely in the tax at some point). Not a preemptive move to add a lot of future payroll like this would be.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 12, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
that's true
I think that the boldest we can expect is either Mayo (for his potential), JRich (expiring contract) or JJ Red if he is on the block.
No hot sauce?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 13, 2010 6:37 AM CST up reply actions
maybe
I actually think it’s a good business move. Still two years under the lux tax? ECF for those two years? Huge profits. Then decide to blow that team up or not. Future money is committed money, but it’s not money spent.
For example, if the team isn’t what he thinks it should be, then there’s always the option of trading Deng, then.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I know I did reading this proposal.
I wanted to throw it up one more time.
Is this even a basketball game anymore, or am I watching a referee themed television show? -Juiceboxjerry
Lakers have no need for Brewer whatsoever
And he’s not exactly useful when Bynum comes back and he and Gasol make cutting in general slightly more difficult due to all the attention they attract with Bynum on the low block and Gasol in the high post. Shooters are much more valuable in that situation. Besides, the Lakers are already really deep on the wings and Brewer would only take minutes away from Brown, who has been terrific this year.
The only possible motivation the Lakers would have to do this would be if they could flip Brewer for a first rounder similar to what Utah did last year but if they’re giving up a first rounder in this trade that’s pointless unless they already had a trade lined up.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Okay.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I guess I just looked at the Lakers being No. 1 in offense and 10th in defense...
and thinking Brewer helps one without really hurting the other.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The Lakers' struggles (if you can call it that) on defense
Have primarily been a result of Bynum being out and the interior defense being much weaker with Gasol in the middle for extended stretches. The fact he’s been run into the ground the past couple weeks haven’t helped and even before that, he was taking possessions off on defense to retain energy for offense. The primary strength of the Lakers’ defense is having Bynum and Gasol taking up space in the middle and giving the perimeter defenders a lot of leeway to gamble and take chances because the penetration lanes are directed towards a pair of seven foot bodies. That’s a lot harder with an exhausted Gasol being slow to provide help and while Odom is a great help defender, he doesn’t provide the same kind of interior presence.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Dec 12, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If this deal is available, I'd imagine Chicago would have to bite
If they were willing to eat Iggy’s salary, but the most natural trading partner for Iggy has always seemed to be Orlando for me. Carter’s deal next year is non-guaranteed and they can package any combination of Orton, Anderson, and multiple picks while taking back a salary like Noicioni’s. And as they’ve shown the past few years, having a high payroll isn’t a concern for Orlando’s management.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Hmm, that's interesting, and frightening. I didn't consider the Magic
They would break the record for most dunks on heads in a season
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's Tom Del Thibodeau
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. Especially because on that team Iggy's lack of spacing ability doesn't matter since Rashard
is always out on the perimeter, ’Meer can shoot the lights out and they have a bevy of other wings who shoot the 3 well. Iggy on Orlando would be terrifying.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If this was Carmelo you are talkin bout, sure, but giving up Korver and Brewer for Iggy? Hell to the NO!!
Carlos Boozah wit da People's Eyebrow :)
by Juan dela Cruz on Dec 12, 2010 6:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think we can afford to lose the shooting
for a guy who isn’t really a 2-guard, and cannot shoot to save his life. At that point we’d almost have to move Deng to 2 and let Iggy play his natural 3. Still, not nearly enough shooting.
As Sacramento's only major league sports team, the Kings' fanbase has been among the strongest in the league even during the franchise's lean years, which could just be a testament to how little there is to do in Sacramento.
by Chalkwhite on Dec 12, 2010 6:16 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This is a deal to build a contender for next year or later.
You’d be giving up on this season because the bench depth would be awful and hoping you can fill out the roster with late round draft picks and minimum free agents for next year. The starting five would be awesome, but I don’t know if you’d be able to acquire the depth the Bulls have now.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 12, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
What makes you think Iggy isn't a 2 guard?
He’s definitely quick enough and a good enough ballhandler to pass for a SG. The only area in which he doesn’t stack up to most SGs is outside shooting, and he’s better than Brewer in that department.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Why is Iggy a natural 3? Why does it even matter what you call Deng and Iggy if they’re out there together? Deng would still guard 3s and Iguodala would guard 2s. As long as one of them can shoot 3 pointers, it doesn’t hurt the team to have them out there together.
yeah,basically
if teams want to guard iggy with three’s, a lot of times, he’ll be able to get by them. if they want toguard deng with two’s, a lot of times he’ll be able to shoot over them
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't understand why the Sixers would want to do this
If they’re going to trade Igoudala, they’re committing themselves to a full rebuilding mode. They would want to get rid of Elton Brand’s contract IN ADDITION to the Igoudala contract.
That's an impossible stance
Brand is right up there with Arenas and Lewis in terms of untradeable contracts. Philly is already rebuilding and Iggy has a massive salary despite being a possible second and ideal third wheel on a good team. They can’t play him and Turner together and the latter is much cheaper at the moment.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Dec 12, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, duh
But if your the Sixers, how else can you get rid of Brand without losing Turner? I didn’t say it would be easy.
by BroLaxChill on Dec 12, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
No, you misread my post
Packaging Brand and Iggy is impossible. They’re stuck with Brand and they’re not going to give up Turner just to rid themselves of Brand, not that Turner would be enough in any case. Iggy is the contract they need to get rid of because he’ll actually get value in return whereas Brand is simply an albatross they’ll need to deal with until it expires or they can find a palatable offer. The only way Brand leaves that team is if they either swing him for Arenas or throw in first rounders to another team.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
That's kind of the reason I was thinking this is easier than most.
Of course, as you said, it comes down to demand, not supply. If other teams want to give up more, super. But I think, in this NBA, saving $40 million of committed salary is a big deal (if not huge). The talent return isn’t hot, but the savings and picks, if one wanted, is.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah, this doesn't really solve our problems.
Sure, we’d have a kick-ass defense, but defense isn’t really the problem at 2. But what this does is insure we’d lose in the playoffs to any team with size who can just pack the lane with big bodies and shotblockers. And god forbid any of those three perimeter players gets injured, because it seems we only would have 4.5 players on the roster (Bogans is the .5) who play 1-3.
Plus there’s no way the Sixers ever make this trade. What do they have to gain from this? they probably still wouldn’t do it if you gave them Gibson and we picked up Brand—and that’s impossible because the salaries don’t match.
There’s no way the Bulls pick up a high-priced perimeter player this season. The salaries just can’t match in a way that would be appealing for any team trying to dump salary—which is the only way you’d get a really talented perimeter player like this. I’d rather have Iguodala at 12M for the next 4 years than the pu-pu platter of limited reserve swingmen at 11M for the next two.
i dont like the trade
sure you have a kick ass starting lineup…but it would still be a starting lineup with a major flaw, which is outside scoring…which is a weakness we have right now in our starting lineup as well. Good defensive teams could pack it in on us and that causes a lot of problems, boozer wont have his space to work in, rose would have trouble creating, even iggy would have trouble creating. If we played a great 3 point shooting team with a good defense (aka ORLANDO) we would have trouble scoring.
Tyger said this is his “optimistic” trade, and i can see why. This trade is dependent on the idea that deng and rose continue to improve on their outside shooting to the point where if left unchecked they will knock it down. I guess if planning for a team i would want to be more cautiously pessimistic and consider what i see now as the ceiling, and improve the team from there. That way if they do improve, it only helps the teams ability and builds upon the initial vision.
The idea that we would have to find a guy like a korver through fa signing, trades, and the draft, means that it would take even more time to get complete…and while we do have time…its still a gamble.
I have come to like the idea of korver starting, he isnt a bad defender (at least hasnt shown to be recently) and if we need a boost in defense, having brewer really helps establish that. All the while a luol deng sort of flourishes on the wing since his scoring and defending really compliments both brewer and korver at the moment. I would rather get some decent role players who can score to come off the bench just so korver could really start.
I also have this fear that iggy might continue to play teh way he did in the summer games….and thats not a pleasnt thought…
Its not that iggy sucks or that he couldnt help this team…its just that i think getting iggy would give us a flawed starting 5 longterm. And while even a starting lineup with korver would also be flawed, at least we have role players readily available that can change that up for us, with the proposed trade we would be forced to play the waiting game, hope talent develops or becomes available, and hope we have the assets to sign them.
Also boozer is in his prime now, so injuries will appear, and eventually that pf spot is going to need more help. The lineup we have now is more tolerable to injuries to deng or boozer (or our sg position) just not rose…with the lineup above, unless we got really stellar role players…we would be screwed with any injury whatsoever…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2010 8:26 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Like I said above,I forgot to mention getting Weaver or Byars.
Korver takes 3.4 three’s per game and plays 24 minutes. he helps, no doubt, but if Weaver or Byars can play 15 mpg, shoot 35% 3’s on two per game, I don’t think it’s some huge loss in terms of spacing. 5% less, 9 mpg less, 1.5 shots less? I just don’t buy it as some huge drop off.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
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something i didnt think of before with this trade
this would effectively be the lineup we’d have for a good half a decade if we went all in for this.
rose/iggy/deng/noah are all under 26/27 and boozer is still under 30.
we’d literally be saying thats a starting lineup capable of winning a title and im not sure it is
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
If that starting lineup's not capable of winning a title, no starting lineup with Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah will
I don’t see how you could look at the youth of that group and view it as a bad thing.
Pat Riley is the devil.
For one, starting lineups alone don't win titles.
For two, there are a bazillion lineups better than that one. Against that lineup, defense will just camp out in the lane because there still aren’t any shooters.
For one, starting lineups alone don’t win titles.
Yes, they do. The bare minimum you need is a solid eight man rotation. Depth doesn’t mean as much come playoff time when everyone gets more rest between games (and even during games courtesy of extended TV timeouts) and you can leave your starters on the floor longer than normal. How much better the other team’s sixth through ninth men are means a whole lot less than how much better your starters are.
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by Ben R on Dec 12, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Right.
And the Bulls six adn seven would be Gibson and Asik, which I think are more than capable in those roles. CJ Watson is fine as a 8th man combo guard, and Weaver/Byars/Bogans is fine as a 9th man. And Iggy can handle it just fine to run “point” a little here and there.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The camping in the lane thing is overstated
First of all, I’d like to believe that Rose and Deng’s improved 3-pt shooting will continue. If that’s the case, that goes a long way toward helping solve the problem of 3-pt shooting. The other thing I’d like to point out is that, just because Rose/Iguodala/Deng/Boozer/Noah would be your starters, that doesn’t mean they’ll always be on the floor with each other. You can add a shooter or two to your bench and work them into the rotation. And even though we say opposing teams will just camp out all day and shut everything down, that really won’t be the case. When Brewer comes in the game, it’s not like our offense completely shuts down. And Iguodala can do so many more things offensively than Brewer. Plus at the end of the day, any lineup with Derrick Rose in it will find a way to score points. We may not end up being the best offense in the league, but we wouldn’t have to be because our defense would be outstanding.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
having three guys
that are essentially the best scoring from similar areas on the court is never a good thing. Hell having two guys isnt that great either. Look at miamis troubles to start the season, it was because neither lebron nor wade felt comfortable sitting behind the line, both wanted to play the slashing game, and both were thrown off by it. And those two are far greater talents than rose and iggy….like i said in my post above, this trade is for those of greater optimisms….you have to believe that;
A) Deng will continue to improve that 3 ball
B)Rose will continue to improve that 3 ball
C)You will be able to find role players that can shoot the 3 ball without being a liability while on the floor
D) Iggy will buy into the system
E) There will be limited ego clashing/role confusion when things go tough
F) Injuries will always be minor until suitable role players are found that can be put into the starting rotation
Is all of th is possible….hell yes….but to me its just way too many variables to be content with. If it all works out then yey, but until it does…if im the gm…im not getting an ounce of sleep.
And i don think a starting lineup of Rose/iggy/deng/boozer/noah is going to beat orlando….we would still be a very bad matchup…regardless of shooters on our bench
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 13, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know if you've noticed, but Miami hasn't had that much trouble as of late
They’re sitting pretty at 17-8. They’re 4th in ORtg despite the chemistry issues/role confusion/whatever you want to call it and the’ve consistently played dominant defense without a dominant interior defender because of how much athleticism they have on the perimeter. You put that kind of athleticism on the Bulls with Joakim Noah anchoring the middle with Tom Thibodeau coaching that group and you could have a scary defensive team. You are taking a risk by making this trade, but you don’t get ahead in life without taking calculated risks. If we can get a player of AI’s caliber while only giving up guys who are replaceable (and the guys we’re giving up are replaceable) you do it and hope the rest of the stuff works itself out.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 13, 2010 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
this fab 5 concept is interesting
that is for sure, except until the miami heat actually accomplish the task of winning a championship (or beating an elite team) Its hard for me to buy into this. If anything is because of the miami heat that i dont like this trade because regular season be damned, i dont think the proposed starting lineup will be able to come out on top in a 7 game series. I think boston would hand us our asses the way they handed miami their asses, i think orlando will chew us up like they always do, and i think there is a stronger chance of self destruct, if not by lack of variety offensively, then by injuries to key players. Injuries are always bad but at least at the moment if boozer, deng, or even noah go down, i have a belief that the bulls can whether the storm….its uncertain of what exactly we would fill our bench wiht once iggy is here…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i dont see that lineup being better than the lakers current 5 or the celtics 5
i mean maybe im in the minority here but do you really see rose/iggy/deng/boozer/noah being able to beat out either rondo/allen/pierce/kg/shaq or fisher/bryant/artest/gasol/bynum
im thinking we get crushed on the boards and in the post in both of those scenarios. meanwhile our wing players are probably effectively shut down leaving rose to be on his lonesome trying to carry us against two of the best defenses in the league
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
It's not about being better than the lakers/celtics
It’s about just getting good enough to compete. And then, if the ball bounces our way a couple times, we win a title. And besides, like you said, Rose/Iggy/Deng/Noah are all just entering their prime. Our team will be have a pretty long window of contention. 3 years from now, Kobe and Gasol will be breaking down and every starter on the Celtics besides Rondo might be out of the league.
Pat Riley is the devil.
this concept of winning
how is it any different from the situation we are in now….we arent as good as the lakers celtics or magic at the moment, but if the ball bounces are way we can win games against them….the ball rarely bounces for you 4x out of 7….the only time i can remember a team really being lucky was the 06 miami heat…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
rigged shit that finals
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
by sin on Dec 13, 2010 2:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
our
not are….wtf…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
but theres still miami and the potential trio in ny
I see what youre saying though
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
Currently? Probably not.
Over the next five years? Absolutely. Pierce, Allen, KG, Kobe, Fisher and Artest are all on the wrong side of 30.. All six will be getting worse while it’s possible that all 5 of the Bulls would be getting better.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
For all those who think you're going to miss Korver if we make this trade...
You won’t when we sign Peja Stojakovic after Toronto buys him out.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Really?
If I was Peja, I’d rather go to South Beach than Chicago. Also, Peja can’t even crack Toronto’s rotation right now. If you’re not better than Sonny Weems and Linas Klezia, you’re not better than Luol Deng, Kyle Korver or Ronnie Brewer.
by BroLaxChill on Dec 12, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
Peja's hurt right now, which is why he's not playing in Toronto
I don’t see him going to Miami because the need really isn’t there (Mike Miller, James Jones and Eddie House have the shooting specialist role covered pretty well) and as a result, I have a hard time seeing the minutes for him there. We definitely wouldn’t be the only suitors for him though, but I do think we would be one of the most attractive.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
theres a big serbian population here so he prolly wouldnt mind it
hes a good rebounder and shooter but misses a ton of games, would have to sign him for really cheap
And even if that didn't work out
We’d just have to wait til the summer where Anthony Parker, Eddie House, Rasual Butler, Michael Redd, Marcus Thornton, and Jason Kapono will all be free agents. I like Korver but he is far from irreplaceable.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
God, I wouldn't want any of those players.
The only one who isn’t awful (at this point I’m just assuming Michael Redd is retired) is Thornton, and he’s going to get more money and years than we’d give him.
Look, do you want shooting or not?
I can understand being skeptical about Redd (supposedly he’s trying to come back in February), but Parker and House are proven snipers who have both played key roles on championship contending teams. Rasual Butler’s been cold recently, but he’s had some very good shooting seasons. These guys are hardly awful and the dropoff from Korver to them really isn’t that great. The upgrade you’d get going from Bogans/Brewer to Iguodala would more than make up for it.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
i dont think the problem is just losing korver
or just adding iggy…its losing korver brewer taj and the charlotte pick. Those are 3 very valuable players to this team. Its not that they are untradeable, but basically the trade is asking us to get rid of all of them for one player, and as good as iggy is, i dont agree that he really is worth losing our only reliable 3 point shooter, our very good role players, and our backup pf who can start for an extended amount of time in a pinch almost seamlessly. To take it further, we are then expecting to find players who can do the jobs of korver (shoot 3s consistently) brewer (active defender and can backup 2/3 effectively) and taj (a guy who is a backup pf but can probably start for teams)…how long would it take? Do you think it can be done in 4 years? I dont, and until it happens i dont see how this team is an elite team,
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 13, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Taj isn't in this proposal and i would hesitate to include him
Brewer is nice but Iggy is better in almost every dimension. He takes over Bogans’ and Brewer’s minutes and you get a drastic improvement there. Then all you have to do is replace Korver. You’re probably not going to get someone quite as good as him, but you get someone passable and you’re ahead of where you started.
Pat Riley is the devil.
my bad
i couldve sworn taj was in it, i think i got confused a bit with the suns trade….that sort of changes things…..i still dont like it…but im not as opposed as i have been for the last coupe (2?) hours
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
yeah, you're getting a 2nd/3rd scoring option and a Tier 1 perimeter defensive player in Iggy...
and You’re not giving up one of your five best players (Rose, Deng, Gibson (I said it!), boozer or Noah) Count Asik somewhere in the Top 7 (if you’re talking over thenext five years), and I can’t see how it doesn’t make teh team at least marginally better. Even if the fit is horrible, they’ll still be better, in my opinion.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
the fit of the starting lineup still bothers me
pretty much all 5 players do their best work in similar areas…its bound to get crowded…going against an orlando team would still be a bad matchup for us. I guess im not dead set against it anymore…but i dont think its the best move hands down
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
We would stop penetration alot better though
Thats the key to playing with Orlando
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
is iggy that much better than brewer
defensively?
WOuldnt orlando have an easier time of stopping our penetration as well..?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Than Brewer? Maybe, maybenot.
But he’s a lot better defensively than Korver. Is he better offensively than Korver? In a vacuum, yes. As a team fit? Maybe, maybe not,but he’s a whole lot better offensively than Brewer.
So you might not gain much if you compare Brewer’s and Korver’s strengths against Iguodala, but you don’t have to sacrifice the their weaknesses, either.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yup this deal as presented is probably a no-brainer
The question is what do you do if Philly says “no, we want Taj too.”
Pat Riley is the devil.
I don't know.
Give them another pick? Tell them it ain’t happening? Or, instead of giving them a pick, they give us one? Something like that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
hmm peja would be very interesting
thats a name that hasnt been out there
Derrick Rose is a motherfucking ninja.
There's been plenty of speculation that Toronto will buy him out eventually
They’ll probably wait til the trade deadline to see if they can use him in a trade, but after that, there’s no reason for them to not buy him out.
Pat Riley is the devil.
We should pickup Peja anyway
Hes a solid enough veteran with an ability we need, people can give him as much shit or criticism as they want, but take a deep breath and remember that Bogans is our starting SG and tell me Peja is not good enough as a bench role player.
Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.
With Korver on the team, there's no role, and therefore, no minutes for him
So he’d probably go elsewhere.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 13, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
peja is a SF not a SG
i would love to have him since hes a good rebounder and shooter, but i have a hard time seeing how he gets minutes unless we do a trade that clears out some of our bench.
does anyone with synergy know what iggy's shooting is like when he has his feet set?
his weird shooting mechanics have never seemed to me to be the kind that can handle a lot of body movement and still be effective, which is what they are asked to do because iggy has been unrealistically cast as a number one option the last 4 years. so maybe his numbers are satisfactory when hes allowed to be more still?
'David Lee is better than Taj Gibson, that is a fact. Consequently, Dorell Wright can shut down Deng.'
Can’t argue with that logic…
- Sleepy Freud
Thats my take on his poor shooting
He has to take a ton of bail out shots for them.
Eliminate his three point shooting (he takes far too many) and you’ll have a bunch of 8-13 nights, playing for the Bulls.
This is a good move for the Bulls. People don’t realize how good a super athlete that can finish above the rim will be playing with Rose. Also another player that can create his own shot.
I would also keep JJ, though, once things click for him, he’s gonna be very good as a Rodney Rodgers type.
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
That's fine. I should have included him as the "expendable" pieces like picks and cash considerations.
You keep everything you can in atrade, but when it comes down to it, if you have to include JJ, picks or cash, none of them are irrecplaceable to me.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
deepdish though
or is that asking for too much?
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
That would require Bogans and cash.
LeBron is an Asshole
I'd love Iggy as our 2.
"Welcome to the place where I lazily threaten people and then everyone laughs."
- Kev H
I would need some justification that a worse player is more preferrable than a better player.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Because he/she said so. That should be enough
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
I'll do my best:
(1) Mayo is a better shooter. He’s better from distance and from the FT line. Desipte Iguodala being a higher USG player in his better years, Mayo has scored at about the same rate as him on a per-minute basis. But the way Mayo scores is what we want in upgrading our shooting guard spot. Iguodala is a dynamic guy off the dribble, which is nice, but I want our SG to be able to spread the floor — Iguodala’s main deficiency.
(2) We would have to give up much less to get Mayo. I don’t see why Philly would trade away a 26-year-old cornerstone for the pieces you articulated above — Kyle Korver, any of those Players X, a pick and some money. Rumors about Philly trading Iguodala have swirled for a few years now and it hasn’t happened, even with better offers than yours rumored. As such, I think the only way we get Iggy is by giving up Deng or Taj, plus those other pieces. But even if all we’re giving up is Brewer and Korver, that leaves us pretty thin in the backcourt, and trades our only sure-thing outside shooter for another non-shooter. Watson would be our only offense off of the bench.
That’s my main concern: I would rather have Mayo and a deeper team than Iguodala. The marginal difference between Iguodala and Mayo isn’t large enough to compensate for the lack of depth.
And yes, Iguodala is better than Mayo, but it’s not a massive difference — a significant difference (mostly on defense), yes, but not the type of difference that justifies getting rid of all of our backcourt depth. At his best, Iguodala is an 18 PER player on offense with very good defense. Mayo was projected by Hollinger’s formulas to be a 16 PER player this year with worse defense. Mayo’s PER for his first two years are very similar to Iguodala’s were (a little bit higher, actually). Basketball Prospectus states that the closest historical match for Iguodala is Ron Harper; Mayo’s closest historical match is Jason Richardson.
(3) And Mayo is younger and still improving.
(4) And Mayo is cheaper — $10M vs. $56M.
(And snley, it’s “he.”)
I'd try to get Jodie Meeks in the deal as well
The Sixers are going to find themselves with a surpluss of wings anyways and would have Korver to take Meeks’s spot as the designated 3pt shooter. Meeks can then come off the bench to play SG next to Deng/Iguodala.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
It would be interesting, but he's finally playing well.
Who knows? It’s all a pipe dream anyway, and since it didn’t happen today, I know it’s never going to happen. Bastards! But yeah, Meeks would be nice.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I dont care about Iggy anymore
But since we are doing trades with the Sixers…
How about this trade:
Chicago receive: Jodie Meeks and Marreese Speights.
Sixers receive: James Johnson (or Kurt Thomas if Sixers want an expiring contract), and the Charlotte Pick.
Jodie Meeks will at least be another 3pt shooter for the Bulls, maybe a starter at SG. Marreese Speights can play both backup PF or Center until Noah comes back; he has actually been very good in limited minutes the last few years.
And you've given no reason why Philly would actually do this.
Teams don’t give up good, young players for expiring contracts when it saves them $4 million. They might do it for $40 million, though.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
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