Hollinger's article (it's insider)
Hollinger's new article features a debate we've been talking about in multiple posts all week here at BaB so I thought I'd make a post for it. While I usually hate most of what Hollinger has to say (and trust me there is tons of that in this one as well) I agree with some of the points in here.
Here is how he breaks down each one basically and I found it somewhat interesting, although I really hate that everyone is judging John Wall already based on his first few weeks in the league. I'm a huge fan of him and I fear he may one day be better than Rose but I'm not ready to crown him the next great point guard just yet.
Here is what he says about Rose:
For now, Rose is the most advanced of the three. The third-year guard was an All-Star in 2010 and has put up some phenomenal numbers in his first four games this season. Like his cohorts, he's definitely more of a scorer than a passer -- yes, he's averaging 10 assists a game, but he's also averaging 21.5 field goal attempts and put up 31 shots in 31 minutes in Chicago's season opener.
He's also not a deep shooter (with a 27.8 percent mark on 3s this year and 24.7 percent for his career) or a particularly accurate foul shooter (he owns a modest 77.5 percent career mark from the free throw line).
But he is a brilliant finisher at the rim and has augmented his ability to get into the paint with a very good floater. The next step is to use his athleticism and power to draw more fouls -- despite his physical gifts, Rose averaged only 4.3 free throw attempts per game last season. He's also just begun to tap the massive potential he has to be a defensive force with his physical skills.
I agree with most of that and I think that's a fair assessment. Rose definitely is the furthest developed of the three I would think.
In terms of power, Westbrook might be the most dominant of the bunch. Like Rose he's in his third year, and he's an even more awesome force physically -- he has the most raw power of the bunch, exploding to the hoop going right and using his physique to take contact and finish at the rim. Russell's muscular game also shows up in his unusual ability to offensive rebound, a rarity at the point. Westbrook pulled down nearly two offensive boards a game in his first two pro seasons, and last night had a pair of putbacks to keep the Thunder in the game.
As with the other two, his rough edges are still rounding into form. Westbrook still can't make 3s but he's shooting 93.6 percent from the line this season. As a point guard he's had the longest learning curve of the three and his instincts are strongest as a scorer, but either way he's a handful for opposing guards. In fact, he's second among all point guards in PER so far in the young season.
Westbrook's brute strength also makes him a major pest at the defensive end, where he can easily step up to take shooting guards and has the quickness to keep most opposing point guards in check. The only item on his checklist at that end is to contain some of his youthful exuberance -- he needs to learn to gamble and leave his feet less often.
I don't know about Westbrook being the most powerful of the three. Not sure where he gets that assessment, maybe the fact that Westbrook likes to make faces and scream whenever he throws down a dunk but I've seen Derrick do the same things Westbrook can and better.
Heres where the debate gets fun, Wall:
Rose and Westbrook, however, may have to take a backseat to the new prototype, Wall. He combines the power and size of the other two with an extra gear in his motor. Wall is so fast that Hawks coach Larry Drew had to go back two decades to find a comparison (former Utah speedster Rickey Green) before conceding that Wall still might be faster, and is much bigger, too.
In three pro games, Wall has used those jets to average 23.7 points and 10.2 assists. He's the most advanced passer of the three, and the fastest, and he might be the best shooter. He hit a pair of 3-pointers in his second pro game and already appears vastly more proficient in the midrange game than Rose or Westbrook looked as rookies.
I don't know that I agree with any of his assessment of Wall. From what I'm getting Hollinger is saying he's as strong as Rose and Westbrook (which I don't think he is) and he's even faster than the two (I think at best he's as fast as Derrick). I do agree Wall is the best passer of the three or at least shows the better vision. I'm thinking the high turnover rate will drop as he gets more acclimated to the NBA game. I do not agree with the fact that he's a better shooter at this point in his career however. He's still a very streaky shooter much like Rose was in his rookie year.
Hollinger concludes saying he thinks while Rose holds the lead for the title of best PG of the new era, Wall will end up being the leader of that pack of power point guards when all is said and done. (Could be possible but too early to say so just yet)
I do think though that we should be judging Rose and comparing him more to newer mold of PGs in Westbrook and Wall and stop the comparisons with Paul, WIlliams, Rondo (no I'm not saying Rondo is in their league)
I think there's a big difference in the newer mold of point guards where they are being relied on to carry teams now since the league has increasingly changed to one where smaller guards can dominate and is slowly becoming less of a big man's league. Paul, WIlliams, and Rondo are more of the typical point guards where they are being asked to create, set up, and run a team. Rose, Westbrook, and Wall are being asked to carry the offense and carry the entire teams at times, while also trying to distribute here and there.
Anyways it's another fun article that I'm sure will bring up more fun debates. My opinion? Rose is the best out of the three. Wall is showing promise and MIGHT overtake Rose one day but not just yet.