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Does Gar Paxdorf Have A Plan?.. I know I see one (LONG READ)

I can't help but hope that Gar Paxsdorf is thinking somewhere along the same lines that I am.  And I believe that they are, because they left that almost $1.5 mil under the cap.  And if they are thinking the same way I'm thinking than you can forget about any big money trades.  So no Melo, Rip, BG, Iggy, Kevin Martin, or Ellis.  Think young with untapped potential but has shown flashes.  Here's my thinking:

Star-divide

-- 1) In Hindsight Great Offseason:   Even with Boozer not playing, he's a better signing than Bosh and Stoudemire.  He may cost more than Bosh, but look at his performance early on, Taj has out played him.  He came cheaper than Stoudemire and you have to think he'll be a better rebounder and defender.  After that none of our guys has a contract longer than 3 years, and the most a year is Korver's 5 a year.  I'll admit it, I'm very happy we struck out on trading Deng to get the space to sign DWade, Lebron, and Bosh. (And don't kid yourself if we had the space, they would have come here, instead of Miami) I'd rather beat them.

-- 2) They Like This Team:  Resigning Noah and not trading Deng proves that.  Noah gets his $12 mil a year and goes out and shows he worth it, and probably took a hometown discount if he actually got out in the open market (with current conditions) After not being able to clear cap space, keeping Deng, is looking like a pretty smart decision.  I really don't see a better bang for your buck, when I look at other SF's.  He may not be the most talented, but he's the most talented $11 mil/ year SF you going to get.

-- 3) They Are Looking Long Term:   With the new collective bargaining agreement coming, I think the Bulls are set up pretty nicely.  I don't think you are going to see a hard cap like the NHL.  I think the system will be a hybrid of the current system and the NFL's system, where you get a hard cap, but more ability to keep your own guys.  Think something like a Franchise Player tag, where you get 2 and those guys live outside the cap, salarywise, everyone else has to fit under the cap.  The Larry Bird rule would have to be modified a bit, maybe make the tenure you have to have to initiate it longer.  Keep the MLE, and the Vet minimum and your good.  If this is the case then having Boozer at $15 mil, Noah at $12 mil, and Deng at $11 mil really isn't bad.  Salaries will definitely not be any higher than they are now, which means D.Rose's max extension will probably be in the $15 - $17 mil range. 

My Conclusion: (This all depends on the Collective Bargaining Agreement, of course)

They have constructed a team of young professionals that work hard and enjoy working hard.  A group that under a new energetic, intelligent new coach can all grow together into something special.  Not only for this season, but for years to come.  The only weak link is SG.  I really think Joe Johnson was the guy, if he had waited for a while and until ATL threw all that money at him (thank goodness they did).  By signing Brewer and Bogans, the Org gave themselves a band-aid, I expect they thought for the year, or at least until trading deadline time.  Then you use your recently acquired mid-level free agents, and a combination of draft picks to supplement your needs at SG, backup PG, and maybe another servicable big.  I believe that to be the original thinking before the start of the year.

And I said earlier to look for young players, with upside who have show flashes.  Well, I'll add, that are making no more than $6 mil this year, and would except extensions of no more than $10 mil.  Anyone I traded for this year would be extended for at least the next 3 or 4 years.  I'm thinking they are looking for the disenchanted young player, that is looking for an opportunity to win.  And I don't think they are giving up Taj.  JJ, Brewer, Bogans, Scals, Watson and Thomas are our trading pieces as far as players go, and of course our draft picks.

The start of the season, with our team looking so good without Boozer, and the East looking more winnable than expected should have hastened the SG search.  If we can get a guy in here by New Year's it would be ideal.  That way you can easily introduce him to system while you ease Boozer back in at the same time.  And have him for most of the year, instead of the last half.  But at the same time, teams will be more urgent to trade closer to the deadline, so it will be a thin line of when to make the move.  The list of guys on our SG wish list should be:

OJ Mayo -- He just seems like the perfect choice, and with his declining status in Memphis, maybe we can get him for Charlotte's 1st and Watson, since they are looking for back up PG help.

Rodney Stuckey -- He may not be available, but with the Pistons record and the clashes with Head Coach John Kuester, he may be out if they decide to truly rebuild.  I don't see Rip being moved and BG isn't going anywhere.  His game isn't a perfect match for the spot, but could develop into it.  I've always thought they were wasting him at the PG spot.  We would probably have to give up some combination of 1st round picks and Watson, Asik, Bogans, and Thomas to make it work.  He's probably the hardest to resign to a decent contract.

Terrence Williams -- I know, I know he's an headcase, but he's a headcase who can ball. Please remember the triple-double he dropped on us last year. He's not even Delonte West crazy, he just seems to suffer from the same thing Noah went through his 1st 2 years.  He hasn't matured yet.  A change in scenery could do wonders for him, and a team of young guys to help and hold him accountable could do even more.  Having Noah and DRose as leaders of your team, and young assistants like Brunson, Griffin, and Pinckney could help the young man.  No one has ever said anything about his work ethic being bad, just his punctuality.  He would be the cheapest, you could probably get away with just sending Scalabrine and our late 1st for him.

Courtney Lee -- Seems like a good fit and if Houston keeps losing, they could be looking to unload some players for draft picks.  Our 1st and Bogans should matchup nicely. 

Corey Brewer -- He's basically caught in a numbers crunch in Minny.  I think he would have to be a package deal, maybe Bogans, Watson, and 1st round pick for Brewer and Kosta Koufos, who seems like a bizarro Asik.

Marcus Thornton -- He would be a more perfect fit than Mayo if he played D.  Another cheap one though

From this list you have a group of guys all no older than 26, that you could plug into your SG hole and get potentially, at least 13 a game in our system and play solid to above average D at the position, for this year.  And have the potential to be much more down the road, and not want big time contracts with an extension.  All without giving up any of your top 6 -7 guys talent wise.

My Preference:

Mayo, Williams, Thornton, Lee, Stuckey, Brewer

Depending on what we do to get a SG, which should be priority #1, that sets up our trading deadline moves.  More than likely Watson will be included in any deal for a SG, so I'm thinking a back up like Sebastian Telfair from Minnesota, Ramon Sessions from Cleveland, or Patty Mills from Portland.  Out of that group I like Mills.

Now the extra big man, may seem like a luxury, but I don't think you can ever have enough quality bigs to throw out there.  Plus, I don't trust Kurt Thomas to play all that well when called upon, and with Boozer being somewhat injury prone and Taj having these foot problems, not to mention Noah's history.  I think we need a good young quality big to challenge Asik as the 4th big off the bench (when Boozer returns). 

Would you be happy with these additions by the time the trading deadline is over?.. And which combination would you rather have?

Scenario #1

Bull Get: Terrence Williams for Keith Bogans and our 1st round pick, Jason Thompson and Omri Casspi for Watson, JJ, and Thomas and Charlotte's pick, Patty Mills for Scalabrine and a 2nd round pick

or

Scenario #2

Bulls Get: OJ Mayo for Watson and the Charlotte pick, Spencer Hawes for Bogans and Scalabrine, and Ramon Sessions for Thomas, JJ, and our 1st round pick

 

You're welcome to use this post to come up with alternative theories on what u would do to tighten things up for the stretch run as well.

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I hate playing the culture card

But with Stuckey and Williams I think there is the real possibility it becomes an issue. It’s been said before, but with Thib’s system and the talent level of the rest of this team, it really does seem like an absolute necessity that all our main guys buy into it, and what might be gained in talent could easily be outweighed if a guy comes in here worried more about his shots or stats than team success.

As for Lee/Brewer, I’m not sure there’s a significant upgrade in those two situations. They seem pretty comparable to what we’ve already got in Brewer/Bogans in that they’re pretty good but not great defenders with one identifiable offensive skill. I do like Brewer though, and if we could get him without giving up a 1st round pick it’d be worth it.

by jpm356 on Nov 26, 2010 8:33 AM CST reply actions  

I don't agree on Stuckey and Williams

I’ve never read that they were bad teammates, complained about minutes, or lack of effort. Williams’ problems seem to all stem from a maturity standpoint. He just needs a better support system around him. Stuckey has had issues with the Head Coach over playing style, just like Tayshaun Prince. But everything I read says he’s a great teammate and has a great work ethic.
Being in a new and winning situation can do wonders.

by Ceasaleo on Nov 26, 2010 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd love to get Mayo...

Melo or someone like him would upset the chemistry of this team. The reason we are winning is defense and rebounding, and Luol is actually good at that. Get Mayo, who isn’t a high usage guy, would be ideal. A young athletic 2 who can score and probably be molded in a good defender by Thibs is perfect for us. Not sure how we would get ’er done, but he should be our target.

dear gar/pax,
trade for carmelo anthony.
thank you

by chicago030 on Nov 26, 2010 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

Good post

I like Mayo in that second scenario. My hope if that Pax is realizing that the process of building a championship contender may have just sped up with Rose going into the next orbit of stars and guys like Taj and Noah lifting their games. It’s time to get a SG and make a run for it all this year.

I’m not a fan of Deng and don’t believe he can be trusted in the long run, but I’ll admit that he does bring certain things to the table and is getting better at shooting the 3. At this rate if we can just get a young competent SG to just get us 12-15 ppg, and not be stupid, we have a real shot this year to get to the finals. I, like you, thought Joe Johnson would be a nice fit and it looks like he would have been the missing piece, but he jumped for the money and is now stuck in basketball hell…Oh well.

I have to believe that GarPax is seeing what we’re seeing and are just waiting for Boozer to get back so they can assess this team at full strength. It’s time to think big and take a swing at it because if we can get Mayo or a rejuvenated Hamilton, we can come out of the East this year.

Yeah but it worked!

by Dils on Nov 26, 2010 9:45 AM CST reply actions  

I just hope we trade the Charlotte pick to get a better SG

and the reason I said that is that this team has a lot of will to win. But you can expect them to keep their hopes up until 2016. They better have the conditions to do reach as far as it’s possible soon or eventually they will be too tired.

by JustAnotherFan on Nov 26, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

Other Shooting Gaurds that are worth mentioning:

Anthony Parker – Big gaurd that can shoot the three, but old
Anthony Morrow – 6’5 gaurd; excellent perimeter shooter that Nets could let go for pick
Arron Afflalo – 6’5 gaurd; 40% 3’s for career; Nuggets might dismantle team by the break
 
All of the above are starting SGs in the league. Obviously, OJ Mayo is an athletic scoring 2 gaurd that would look fine in a Bulls uniform, but who knows if the Bulls can land him. Personally, I hate the phrase “Wait till next year”. If the Bulls have the opportunity to win it right now then why not? I believe that the longer Wade, James, and Bosh play together the better they become. Lets win the title now!!!!!

by MCREW on Nov 26, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

There's just way too much bullshit revisionist history in this post for me take it seriously

The Bulls didn’t strike out on bosh, wade and lebron because they couldn’t move deng. Anybody who can do proper addition can see that that’s not true.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Nov 26, 2010 11:23 AM CST reply actions  

how is that revisionist BS?

If we could have moved Deng, the same way we moved Kirk to open up cap space, and had the cap space to sign all 3, they would have been Bulls.
The only Miami ended up being the destination is because all 3 wanted to play together. So if we and Miami both had cap space to sign all 3, u really think they choose Miami and the situation they’re in now. Over Chicago with D.Rose and Noah already in place? I doubt it.

by Ceasaleo on Nov 26, 2010 12:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That's revisionist BS because it's just not true

For starters, there were no legitimate reports that the bulls were even trying to move deng. I highly doubt that he was completely unmovable and the notion that the inability to trade him is what prevented us from getting wade, bosh and lebron is just untrue. Even if we had moved deng, we would not have had the cap space to sign all 3 of them.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Nov 26, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you're still on the

“They were never trying to move Deng” BS? Give it a rest. They tried all off- season to move him. Just because he’s still here doesn’t mean they didn’t try. That’s been all over radio and everywhere else. It’s common knowledge that no one wants to deal with the Deng contract. Period. If so then Denver would make that deal for Deng and Taj in a heartbeat and they wouldn’t care about the money they would take on. They’d just be happy to not lose Melo for nothing and gain a player at the same position plus Taj.

Based on the player’s skill proportional to the money given, the Deng contract was and still is bad and a lot for another team to want to deal with at this time.

Yeah but it worked!

by Dils on Nov 26, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

"That’s been all over radio and everywhere else"

No it wasn’t. If it was, it’d be really easy for you to find just one link to something indicating that that was true. Prove me wrong.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Nov 27, 2010 12:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not searching for radio links for months ago...

But guys like Nick Fridell and Jason Goff have been saying that for moths that his contract was an issue and anyone else not in awe of Luol Deng’s greatness has also heard that this was the case.

The first two links show that Denver was unwilling to do the deal because of the Deng contract and the money still owed. The last two show that the Bulls were looking into trading him and initiated the talks. The burden of proof isn’t on me. Now go find some proof that they weren’t trying to deal him.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_16175594

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5550421&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2010/06/draft-day-update-luol-deng-deal-to-orlando-unlikely.html

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/bulls-have-discussed-deng-to-orlando.html

Yeah but it worked!

by Dils on Nov 27, 2010 8:15 AM CST up reply actions  

So Denver wasn't willing to take him. Fine. There are 28 other teams out there

The Orlando swap wasn’t a Deng-for-cap-space deal. It was a trade for two very good players and, rumor was the Bulls, not the Magic, were the ones who didn’t want to pull the trigger. Again, it shouldn’t take a lot of effort to pull up radio links if it was “all over radio and everywhere else.” And of course the burden of proof is on you. You can’t argue that the Bulls must have been trying to move Deng because there hasn’t been any evidence to say that they haven’t. That’s ridiculous. By that logic, the Bulls must be shopping Derrick Rose right now because they haven’t publicly stated they aren’t.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Nov 27, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not arguing

if the world is flat with you. I’m done with it. You asked for links and you got them for you. If they aren’t enough to satisfy you then oh well. You’re Poloplaya14, not Judge Judy. I made my point and proved it.

Yeah but it worked!

by Dils on Nov 27, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

The original point wasn’t whether they tried to trade Deng.
It was whether they tried to trade him for NOTHING (like with Hinrich) to make more cap room to sign free agents. They did not. I’m glad they didn’t, but if they had there would have been takers.

by kingles on Nov 28, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Which was it?

They struck out on trading Deng or chose not to?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Nov 27, 2010 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Aside from the validity of the Deng move or lack off. This post is good.

And I believe it is a good direction to take. Maybe we can forget Melo. Live painfully with un-athletic and inconsistent Luol Deng, until we can ever unload him or allow him to be comfortable as he 4th option playing 30 mpg.

LBJ, Wade and Bosh will get better when the get better offiensive coaching and a defensive strategy. Spostra is a up and coning decent coach (similar to Vinny Del Negro). But Erik Spoke is totally outside of his ability at this stage with that Miami allstar talented team. Phil Jackson know what he’s taking about and they are a frustrating team to watch, and with his talent he can see it clearly as a sunny day.

Bulls need to find/discover the Taj Gibson of SGs. Cheap, moderately cheap, quality, SG.

"Maybe Paxson influenced has been a bit silenced :-) , although his carnage of the development of the team still persist"

by exult463 on Nov 26, 2010 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

I didnt realize how badly OJ Mayo is playing this year

until Marc Stein brought it up on the Weekend Dime. (38.7% FG and 13.3 PPG on 12.9 FGAs) It might be just a fluke, but his first 2 seasons are virtually identical. I am worried that Mayo has plateaued, or might even be regressing, so I am not sure if the Bulls should go hardcore to get him right now.

Personally I think once Boozer comes back and Brewer takes over as starter, the Bulls will have a good starting 5. They need a consistent bench scorer more than anything imo. I would love if the Bulls can get Marcus Thornton or Sonny Weems from Toronto. Nick Young from the Wizards might be a good pickup as well.

by VaderMaul on Nov 26, 2010 11:11 PM CST reply actions  

Sonny Weems is nice, but he's a poor fit given how poor of a shooter he is

Besides, I think Toronto really likes him. Not really a big fan of Nick Young.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Nov 26, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Toronto is willing to trade Weems if given the right incentives

Toronto has a lot of duplication at the SG/SF positions with Weems, DeMar DeRozan, Leandro Barbosa, and Linas Kleiza. Jerryd Bayless might also see some time at SG if they want to play him with Jose Calderon together. All those players have a contract next year while Weems does not. So rather than to continue the logjam at the wing positions by offering Weems a new contract, Toronto might want to trade him for some picks.

I also cant say for sure how good of a shooter he is; he seems to have a pretty good mid-range jumpshot, but he definitely isnt a good 3-pt shooter. However, considering that I want to get him as a consistent bench scorer where he will be playing a lot of time with Kyle Korver, that shouldnt be very important.

by VaderMaul on Nov 28, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

A viewpoint of Majo

“The 2010 Mayo assessment from one executive: “On a really good team, he’s a third guard.” Some within the league are beginning to see him as little more than a role player, in other words. It doesn’t help that the Grizz moved him to a reserve role this week while making rookie Xavier Henry the new starter at shooting guard."

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/11/26/and-one/

I really haven’t watch Mayo, and the little I’ve seem did not wow me as much. for some reason Courtney Lee seems to be a better fit than most identified???

If we can also keep Brewer and Kyle K. Bogan is expendable. Houston has Kevin Martin starting…

"Maybe Paxson influenced has been a bit silenced :-) , although his carnage of the development of the team still persist"

by exult463 on Nov 27, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Lee would be a pretty decent fit but I want someone who can do more than defend and hit the 3.

Another creator on the floor would give the Bulls one of the best passing teams in the league. I doubt the Bulls are thinking much about adding a Mayo or Terrence Williams to the roster but it could take this team to another level.

TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 28, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

OJ Mayo is a good player, hes not Kobe Bryant, but for a draft pick, to strengthen our roster over CJ, Brewer,Bogans

I think you make it happen.
He can shoot the three pretty well, has a decent shot and a big wingspan, IMO he can thrive in a less toxic environment.

Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.

by mrdope on Nov 29, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks like T-Will may be available soon. Very good creator and rebounder but he can’t shoot for shit.

by C Smoove on Nov 28, 2010 10:17 PM CST reply actions  

yeh, I don't know about TWill

A shooting guard that cant shoot, give me a fucking break.
hes shooting 39 FG% this year. We need someone that can shhot or score

Thornton or Mayo.

Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.

by mrdope on Nov 29, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

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