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The Skiles Bulls: What Could Have Been

I was talking to some buddies today and we got to thinking...what if the Kirk Hinrich/Scott Skiles rebuilding plan worked? What if Kobe rumors and a pissed off Ben Wallace didn't cause the dismanteling of the leagues best "up and coming" team.

The Bulls were fresh off two consecutive playoff appearances, both first round exits. They had what many thought to be a collection of future fringe all-stars and/or solid players in Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Andres Nocioni, Mike Sweetney, and Chris Duhon. They also had a slew of Knicks draft picks headed their way, and after giving the eventual champion Miami Heat a run for their money in the first round of the playoffs, they found themselves with a enough cap space to offer a max contract. Most believed they were a center away from competing for the title. It just so happend that the previous year's starting center for the east in the all-star game, Ben Wallace, was a free agent. The Bulls brought him in, and proceded to win 49 games.

What we didn't know then that they weren't up-and-coming when they were a 49 win team that couldn't get to 50 because they couldnt beat a Mikki Moore lead Nets team so long as Vince Carter was pissed off that Andres Nocioni tried to stop him from scoring and Jason Kidd had a vendetta against Scott Skiles.

They had a very good season, swept the champion Miami Heat in round one of the playoffs, but then were dismissed by the Pistons. It seemed to get ugly fast. Before the Kobe rumors started, there were plenty of sources (I remember Sports Illustrated, ESPN the Magazine, and Lindy's Basketball in particular) that predicted a Bulls/Suns finals. Then the trade winds swirled: Kobe to Chicago for Gordon, Deng, Nocioni, Hinrich, and picks. As we all know, this didn't happen. But the Bulls still had a team that many believed to be the best in the east going into the season. It didn't turn out that way.

Skiles and Wallace butted heads. Gordon and Deng played like the Kobe rumors really bothered them. Nocioni and Hinrich forgot how to shoot jumpers. Joakim Noah, then a rookie, acted like a clown and got suspended by Ben Wallace and Adrian Griffin. PJ Brown played too many minutes and killed his knees. Skiles ened up fired and Jim Boylan was told to take care of things until the end of the year. It all fell appart.

But what if it hadnt? What if the Bulls players tookt he Kobe rumors with a grain of salt? What if Ben Wallace and Scott Skiles never butted heads? What if Deng and Gordon became all-stars? What if this team turned out the way John Paxson intended it to?

If we are to believe what the sports writers told us, they would have gone to the finals against the Suns or Lakers, and possibly won. We could have our 7th banner already. But would we have ever gotten another one? To me, even if they panned out, that team seems more "one hit wonder" than dynasty or even back-to-back.

If that team panned out, a very loose guess (based on extensions that would have probably happened and moves that actually did happen since that time) on what our 2010-2011 Bulls would look like is (please dont focus on this part of this thread...this is just an example, basically):

Ben Wallace
Joakim Noah
Luol Deng
Ben Gordon
Kirk Hinrich

Tyrus Thomas
Taj Gibson
Andres Nocioni
Flip Murray
CJ Watson
Kyle Korver
Omer Asik

What we know for sure wouldn't have happened:

1) Derrick Rose. We lucked into him because this team underperformed by so much. Had the team played out like we had hoped, we wouldn't have been anywhere near the lottery. Derrick Rose would more than likely be a Celtic or Timberwolf right now.

2) Boozer and The Summer of 2010. If the Bulls had made their Finals run, they surely would have maxed out Ben Gordon, as well as resigned Thomas, Wallace, and Nocioni. We wouldn't have been close to the capspace required to be major players in the free agent market, and we wouldnt have signed Carlos Boozer.

3) Vinny, then Thibs. Scott Skiles would more than likely still be coach of the Bulls.

 

So now my question is: was the Skiles/Hinrich/Wallace Bulls not panning out a blessing in disguise? The Bulls got the best player they've had in over a decade in Derrick Rose because that team didn't work. They've still made the playoffs every year since. Wallace's departure allowed Noah to start and become the player he is today. The losses of Gordon and Hinrich brought us Boozer. The loss of Sefolosha brought us Gibson. The loss of Skiles eventually brought us Thibs. The team still plays by the same philosophy: hustle and leave it all on the court, out work the other team. But this time, they aren't "overachieving." They're playing just as hard but because they have Rose and other better players, they're playing at a higher level than they were, which is extremley hard for an opponent to match.

The main thing that woul be different is that we wouldn't have is Rose, who seems like he really is a Hall of Fame level player, or at least will be very soon.

So what do you think? Is it good that the Skiles Bulls faltered and we had to rebuild? Do you think had that team worked out, they could have won more championships than a Derrick Rose/Carlos Boozer led Bulls team? If we hadn't been players in the free agent market and everything played out the same, Boozer would most likely be a Net. Would we even be able to compete in an East like that with the team we would have had? What if we made it to the ECF or NBA Finals that year and lost? Would we have ever gotten back since? Or would we still be looking for our 7th banner, still arguing about why the hell Denver wont take Deng's contract back for Carmelo Anthony, still trying to find out if we can get past Miami/Boston/Orlando, but trying to do it all without Derrick Rose?

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Would the Bulls be better off today if the Skiles team worked out back then?
Yes
14 votes
No
170 votes

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why does this matter?

Clyde: What was his name again?
His Partner: "Ah - sheeeek"
Clyde: Bless you.

by sin on Nov 22, 2010 12:46 AM CST reply actions  

Why does anything matter?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Nov 22, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

but these what ifs are stupid

what if jordan and pippen never broke up.
what if the college rule wasnt created and we got durant
etc etc

Clyde: What was his name again?
His Partner: "Ah - sheeeek"
Clyde: Bless you.

by sin on Nov 22, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone has their own preferred form of mental masturbation, why shit on his/hers?

Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com

by snley on Nov 23, 2010 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

because maybe someone masturbates to that too

Clyde: What was his name again?
His Partner: "Ah - sheeeek"
Clyde: Bless you.

by sin on Nov 23, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

You masturbate to shit?

Ewwww.

The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!

by Prevenge on Nov 24, 2010 5:06 AM CST up reply actions  

What if you shut up about Carmelo?

TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 24, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

"they surely would have maxed out Ben Gordon"

I don’t think you understand the mind of Jerry Reinsdorf very well.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Nov 22, 2010 12:49 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

This is a lot of what-if statements, but I'll entertain you with some thoughts while reading this.

I think it’s pretty obvious to say that this worked out for the best. Getting Derrick Rose (the way we got him) will most likely never happen again. Furthermore, you can’t really say that we would’ve continued to play at a high level, especially with the Deng injury in 08. Can you imagine him going down without having Rose on that team? Perhaps we still trade for Salmons, but with the year Kirk was having, it probably would’ve been another Lottery season. Personally I think that we would be in a huge rut. Chicago wouldn’t have been an attractive venue for Free Agents due to the overall lack of talent against more competitive teams. If Gordon had signed for a large contract, the Org would likely continue to tack on bad contracts to get “The last piece” when there would be no chance of contending with Boston, Orlando, and Miami.

Overall, this was an era of inconsistency and injury. Deng has played as if his bones are made of toothipicks. Hinrich decided to show up every other year. Gordon was a defensive liability at the two, and for what he is, was way overpriced. We’d still be bitching about Tyrus and his potential, Joakim Noah may have never flourished (How sad would that be?) Maybe this team would’ve made the 07-08 playoffs, but they would’ve run straight into Ronda, the Braying Jackass KG, and the rest of the Celtic gang, and we’d have scratched our heads wondering how far away we truly were from competing in the East.

(Also, just for the hell of it, looking at the draft in 2008, had we made the playoffs, we would’ve drafted around 18-20, home of picks Marreese Speights, JaVale McGee, and J.J. Hickson. I prefer Rose myself.)

by Bodenhamer on Nov 22, 2010 5:38 AM CST reply actions  

We probably would have been like the ATL Hawks

always penciled for the 4-7th spots, just good enough to make the playoffs but not terrible enought to build through the draft. No thanks.

Out coaching VDN, so easy a cave man could do it.

by ssheth12 on Nov 22, 2010 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

this is exactly what i was thinking

when i first saw the OP ask “what could have been”

by grabmesomeBOOZ on Nov 22, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The Bulls are way better off today

the 06-07 was a turning point.

The Bulls could have kept Aldridge and had a starting line-up of:

Hinrich
Gordon
Deng
LMA
Wallace

Or Maybe

Hinrich
Roy
Deng
mmm.. PJ Brown?
Wallace

Or even kept chandler and gone for depth in free agency instead of the flashy signing of Ben Wallace on a Max

either way they are better off now.

don't let the bed bugs bite

by Rex Grossman on Nov 22, 2010 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

I think so, only because Kobe is amazing.

And I’m not drinking the Kobe kool-aid, but just sayin’…

dear gar/pax,
trade for carmelo anthony.
thank you

by chicago030 on Nov 23, 2010 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

I have to disagree with almost everybody.

If that team had ‘worked out’, that would mean they’d ALREADY be where they have spent the last 3 years trying to get. This very premise presupposes several things. For example as you mentioned Deng and Gordon becoming all stars. Also Kirk’s game not falling off, or even improving a little, Wallace’s play perhaps declining only very slowly while Noah developed. Tyrus becoming a consistent 18pt – 10reb – 2blk type of player. Thabo developing some sort of offense, etc. I would have to argue that the Bulls would have been better off had even most of this stuff happened than they are now.

Of course these things didn’t happen, so i’m pretty damn happy with what they have now.

by kingles on Nov 25, 2010 1:33 AM CST reply actions  

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