Wild Way to Improve.. Or Let's Make A Deal (for Mayo)
Title inspired by my late night viewing of The Bullwinkle Show lol..
When Boozer went down before Preseason, I was expecting nothing more than a team trying to tread water until his return. .500 was the ceiling of my expectations, suffice to say that the team has surpassed those expectations, even though there is time for that to be proven wrong between now and his return. I feel like the team is legit, and I'm not the only one with that opinion.
When you add our early success, with the pending return of Boozer, and the way the Eastern Conference has been shaping up early, it has to give you a quiet sense of optimism that this team can truly be EC title contenders THIS year. Miami hasn't jelled nearly as fast as everyone expected, and looks like a team that can be taken advantage of with a good PG and quality bigs (Hello, DRose, Noah, and Booz!!). Boston has looked good, but lose their floor general, Rondo, for a while and those hamstrings can be pains in the butt to heal. Orlando has looked shaky, but have gotten wins off of Howard and Nelson. Atlanta doesn't really look like they will be matching their seasons of the last couple of years. And Milwaukee, and Charlotte are both off to bad starts.
I've jumped off the "Trade for Melo" Bandwagon, I think Deng has proven that he can be an excellent SF in this system and a worthy 3rd/4th option in the offense, but he isn't a 2nd option and I think that has also become clear. With that said, I'd much rather have Deng at $9 mil/year, than Melo at close to $20 mil/year, especially if it means keeping Noah.
To me the best way to make this team better, and IMO become legit Eastern Conference title contenders is to make our starting lineup a complete lineup. Which means adding a SG that can take over the spot. Bogans and Brewer are a good platoon at SG, but we need someone who can do or at least come close to matching their combined skills in one person. A person who is capable of getting a couple of 20-something nights, on the nights when Deng disappears to supplement D.Rose and Boozer. A guy who can be depended on to compete and play good solid D on the big-time SG's he'll face, while at the same time being able to put some pressure back on them on the offensive side. There was a recent article by Sam Smith listing and detailing the SG's most likely available on the trade block, if you haven't read it, here it is: Bulls May Need Better Shooting Guard to Make Run
The 3 names on that list that stick out to me are O.J. Mayo, Rudy Fernandez, and Marcus Thornton. Basically because all three can be had for on rookie contracts, which means they'll be cheap (for the time being) and still young enough to grow with this team. Thornton, would be the cheapest, he could be had for our own 1st rounder, I would think, but he doesn't really seem like the complete SG I'm looking for in this type of trade, because his D isn't good enough. He would be a great complement to Bogans or Brewer though. I think the realization about Brandon Roy's bad knees has raised Rudy's price tag, and if they weren't going for out 1st and JJ before, who knows what they'll ask for now. That leaves Mayo, you may have noticed that I've been pimping his name around the site for some time now. I just think he is the perfect piece to this puzzle. I'll explain after the jump...
OJ Mayo is the SG that Gar Paxsdorf should be coming up with creative ways to get (just like I have been). He would be the perfect 3rd / 4th option on this team. It would take the pressure off of Deng to have to get those mid-teens to low 20's games EVERY night, so when he disappears and we all know he will, we have someone who we can realistically rely on. Instead of hoping Taj, or God forbid Bogans or Brewer come up with a big night.
-- You say he's only 6'4.. I say our starting SG now is only an inch taller, and has less quickness. Mayo plays physical D and can definitely get his shot off. He also has a 6'6 wingspan, so he's no chump.
-- You say he's only shooting 39%.. I say he's in one of the worst offenses in the league, this observation is just off the eyeball test, no actual stats to back up my claim. But when ever I see Grizz games or highlights everything seems one-on-one. It's either dumping the ball in the post to Z-Bo or Baby Gasol where it never returns or Gay out on the wing in ISO. I can't help but think that his shooting percentage would rise on a team that has more ball movement. He is a 44% shooter and hitting 38% of his 3's career-wise. Even with the bad start, he's still averaging 13.6/ game and shooting 37% from behind the arc, wouldn't you love to have that out in our starting lineup?
-- You say the guy is a punk.. I say he "was" a punk. I've heard about the selfish behavior and the infractions at USC, but I think that's behind him. Take a look at this article, it paints a totally different picture than the one that you typically hear regarding Mayo. I found this snippet, especially interesting:
These days, Mayo is the last player you can accuse of not caring about his team. When asked what he hopes to accomplish in his third year, individual accolades don't even cross his mind.
"My main thing is I just want to help my team get to the playoffs," Mayo said. "I think it's about that time. We're all getting tired of having an early end to the season after eighty-two games and we feel that this is the year that we can become a postseason team and just get better. I want to be able to contribute in all areas. I'm here for my team and I'll bring my hard hat into work every day."
Doesn't he sound like the "grimy" type of player, D.Rose is always talking about ?
-- Lastly, you'll probably say, so if he's so good and this emerging leader why would Memphis give him up?.. I answer that question by saying that he's going to be the odd man out. He, Z-Bo, and Baby Gasol will all be up for free agency in the next 2 years. They have already signed Rudy Gay and Mike Conley to big money extensions, I can't see all 3 guys getting the money they want. And they have no bigs to offset the loss of Z-Bo or Gasol, but they do have SG's to offset the loss of Mayo in Tony Allen, Xavier Henry, and Greivis Vasquez.
So here's my newest hair-brained plan to get him (and a couple of others) on to our Chicago Bulls. Stay with me because this one is a little complicated.
4-Team Trade involving Chicago, Memphis, Sacramento, and Indiana:
Bulls Get: SG / SF Dahntay Jones from Indy, Jason Thompson from Sac, and OJ Mayo from Mem, with a 2nd round pick from Sac and 2nd round pick from Indy
Pacers Get: SG Francisco Garcia from Sac, C Hamed Haddadi from Mem, and PF Brian Scalabrine from Chi, with Bulls 1st round pick
Grizz Get: PG Beno Udrih and SF / PF Donte Greene from Sac, with Bulls 1st round pick (Charlotte's pick) Kings Get: PG TJ Ford from Indy, SG / SF Ronnie Brewer, SF James Johnson, and PF / C Kurt Thomas from Chi, and Sam Young from Mem
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Trade Explanation
The 2 teams that make this trade work are Sacramento and Indiana. Indiana because they want to dump salary and Sacramento because they are $13 mil under the cap.
I didn’t want to get rid of Brewer and would have chosen Bogans first, but to make the money work and try to get the talent to even up I had to use Brewer. We end up with Mayo, our complete SG. Jones, our defensive replacement for Brewer, and Thompson, a young big who has a lot of potential, but hasn’t put it all together yet. He could form a formidable frontline rotation with Booz, Noah, Taj, and Asik. He could also be used as bait along with Bogans to acquire a backup PG and/or vet big man before the deadline too.
Indiana gets to dump TJ Ford’s $8.5 mil off their books, while getting a SG in Garcia, who could be a nice complement to young Brando Rush. Haddadi is an expiring contract and they can cut Scalabrine right away, since he’s non-guaranteed. The 1st round pick is sweetener to the deal. They would end up still having the expiring contracts of Dunleavy and Foster to play with at the deadline or have $16 mil coming off the books and ready for Free Agency in 2011
Sacramento is in need of not only a quality PG, but also a defensive presence in their lineup. This trade does both. IMO, Ford is a better fit next to Evans than Beno is, just because I believe he’s better in the uptempo. Brewer gives them a tough defender on the perimeter. If they wanted to go with Evans as the PG, you could start Brewer next to him. If he’s a SG then you start Ford. Either one is an upgrade over their current starting backcourt of Evans and Luther Head. Adding Sam Young gives you some size off the bench on the perimeter and a JJ / Casspri platoon at SF doesn’t sound bad at all. Adding Thomas gives them a vet that Cousins and Whiteside can learn from. Thompson hasn’t been getting much playing time behind Dalembert, Landry, and Cousins anyway.
The Grizz free themselves out of the “who do you sign” predicament, and get the quality backup PG that need in Beno, and a young combo forward with potential in Greene, along with a Charlotte pick that looks like it could be pretty good in the next couple of years.
ceasaleo, i have no idea whether this trade would go down even if it were proposed by
an actual GM, but i think you did an excellent job crafting this. its interesting, very complex and just has the right feel of a realistic trade.
'David Lee is better than Taj Gibson, that is a fact. Consequently, Dorell Wright can shut down Deng.'
Can’t argue with that logic…
- Sleepy Freud
A few random thoughts about the proposed trade
1) If the Bulls get Jason Thompson, he or Asik will get very little playing time. Once Boozer comes back, Taj will be the backup PF, and either Asik or Thompson will back up Noah. So instead of giving up 2 1st rounders, I would try to include Asik in the trade so it doesnt create a logjam at the center/PF position.
2) Indiana have a lot of expiring contracts, so I dont think they are as motivated to dump salaries as people think.
3) The trade cant go down until December 15th, so who knows what will go down before then.
4) I personally think the Hornets are more motivated to move Marcus Thornton than either the Blazers or the Grizzlies are at moving their respective players. Thornton will be a FA at the end of the season, so they may want to get some value for him before they have to pay him.
Good stuff
I’m coming around to the realization that Melo is just a dream and that’s probably for the best. I agree that the Bulls are a shooter away. And I mean I shooter away from having a real shot at the NBA Finals.
Mayo is definitely an interesting option as he would fit perfectly next to Rose. I think with the way this team is constructed, you can afford to lose a little defense at SG for the chance at more offense. CJ is starting to coming around but they need someone that can go out there and create shots without having to have Rose on the floor. See that’s the issue right now. Our other option have to have Rose on the floor to be productive offensively. Even when Boozer gets back, this will still be an issue.
I know there’s not a chance in hell of getting him but BG’s skill set would fit perfectly coming off the bench. He would fit the Vinny Johnson role for this team. His defense wouldn’t matter because what we need is his offense and ability to get points in bunches. He would be so perfect. Perhaps Jamal Crawford as well. But we have to get another scorer. If we do, we actually have a shot of coming out of the East this year.
Yeah but it worked!
the problem with this trade is the 2 most attractive pieces
end up in Chicago. I don’t think the Bulls need Jason Thompson, although I have no idea how good he is. Jason Thompson with Asik, Taj, Boozer and Noah already here is a recipe for trouble.
It just seems to me replacing 4 guys, 3 of whom don’t get any playing time, with 3 guys, all of which expect at least some playing time, is a recipe for trouble.
As far as OJ Mayo is concerned, I think the Bulls should just bid low. Maybe 2 first round picks – ours and Charlotte, along with JJ and Kurt Thomas. OJ Mayo has been benched in Memphis. He is clearly not in the long term plans. Two first round picks and a prospect is more than enough for Mayo at this point.
So I agree with targeting Mayo, but I’m reluctant to give up Brewer, and don’t see the need for Jones and Thompson.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 21, 2010 10:14 AM CST reply actions
Thompson could be a steal..
He isn’t getting much PT now in Sactown and they have already started trying to find suitors for him. A trade that would have sent him to ATL for Jeff Teague was turned down by ATL recently. To me he becomes a much better insurance policy than Thomas and an alternative to Asik off the bench. If we can make the trade around Christmas time, which is what I hope for instead of waiting til the trading deadline, he also becomes a nice piece to add to some kind of February deal. As far as Jones goes, he the defensive stopper replacement for Brewer at a cheaper price.
by Ceasaleo on Nov 21, 2010 4:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Meh, you never know how long Boozer will be out with injury.
I don’t typically like the injury-prone label cuz some things are freak accidents, but the guy misses games every year. Sometimes for loooong stretches. It wouldn’t hurt to have another capable big, in my opinion. Not to me, if the Bulls really wanted, they could trade Taj or Thompson for something else. I usually agree that players needing/“wanting” minutes is a big deal, but players do/should know that their first four years are the whim of the league. Better players than Thompson have played less than 15 mpg before. Plus, it would allow the Bulls to play Boozer even less on an mpg rate. Boozer – 30, Noah – 30, Taj – 15, Thompson – 15, Asik – ???. Right now, Thompson is behind: Carl Landry, DeMarcus Cousins, Samuel Dalembert and to a lesser extent, Greene and Casspi. He’s 10th in minutes. Meh, I dunno.
Jones sucks. Screw him. Send him to Tim Thomas then trade Thompson or Taj for a better PG/SG back-up.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You had me at
“and PF Brian Scalabrine from Chi”
by bashuck on Nov 21, 2010 10:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
I'd love this trade.
Personally, I’m off the Melo bandwagon. The reason we are winning is because of our defebse and rebounding. Luol is a perfect fit and I think Melo would disrupt the chemistry. SG is where we need to improve, and Mayo is who we need!!!
dear gar/pax,
trade for carmelo anthony.
thank you
by chicago030 on Nov 21, 2010 11:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
I agree.
This is one time when I think chemistry would be affected by a player. ANd I think that’s Melo. Teams can only afford one high-volume, moderate-efficiency shooter at a time. Throw in Boozer as another high-volume guy (but efficient), and that’s not a lot of balls.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
yep
This team doesn’t need a guy like Melo, as good a scorer as he is, they need to be ‘completed’ etc
We have our stars, they aren’t as big a stars a Lebron and Wade etc, but since when was it NECESSARY to have the best three players in the league to win a title, its not!
We have 3 All star caliber players on our team, with a well rounded roster and a good coach, that should be enough for a great season and a realistic run at a title.
bah
total misunderstanding of the truth.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

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