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Bucks 92, Bulls 83: First look observations on new guys Korver and Watson, and some old guys too

The Bulls and Bucks played a pretty anemic and sloppy game Wednesday night, with the final score not mattering much when you figure the entire 4th quarter was mostly scrub squadron. And it being preseason and all.

So on to a bunch of observations:

  • A great anti-welcome to Neil and Stacy being back on my TV. As insufferable as ever. At least Stacy can no longer give Taj Gibson an extra first name of 'the rookie' any more, so there's that.
  • A sloppy game, yes. But 24 turnovers for an opponent is an impressive work of defense whether a few were unforced or not. Bulls looked solid on that end tonight.
  • Offense was a different story, and expected: when celebrating the end of the inside scoring problem with Boozer in the fold, it follows to assume it's still there with Boozer out. Bulls looked to be getting open looks in the first half, but they were still long two-point jumpers.
  • Not much to to add on Rose or Noah. Rose didn't seem to be looking for his supposed summer pet project, the 3-point shot (attempting one), which is fine.
  • Luol Deng may have been the best starter of the night, 16 points on 10 shots, and 3 of those shots were behind the arc. I don't recall any of his jumpers coming with his feet on the line. Also drew a couple charges.
  • Kyle Korver had the most impressive debut of the new guys. I certainly see him being more than a spot-up shooter and more like a legit 6th man if he plays like this: he was working consistently off screens and has a nice array of moves to get his shot off. Only hit one three-pointer but hit 7 foul shots, was not expecting that. Should he actually be in the starting lineup if Brewer is hurt? Maybe, Bogans didn't impress and Korver's shooting would really be helpful with the starters (especially with Boozer out). I'm guessing they figure Brewer will be back soon enough, so it's best to have Korver learn his role now. I was pretty impressed with his ability to be a #1 option on a bench lineup.
  • As far as the other new guys: CJ Watson filled in fine as the backup PG, I didn't notice any glaring weaknesses in bringing the ball up and initiating the offense. Didn't shoot well and was outplayed by free agent contemporary Keyon Dooling, but Watson gets extra credit from me for a nice steal on Purdue scum Chris Kramer. Omer Asik didn't have a great line, and picked up some tough early fouls...but he didn't look overmatched, either. And he showed that quick leaping ability on his one field goal that is very encouraging. Kurt Thomas and Brian Scalabrine will continue to do what they do (though I didn't know Scal was such a whiner to the refs, must be the Celtic in him). Interesting to note that while Asik was first of those three off the bench in the 1st half, he was last to get in during the 2nd half.
  • Taj Gibson had to leave the game in the 2nd half due to back trouble. Early reports are he's fine, but that's obviously scary given Boozer's injury. Up until that point Drew Gooden was frequently schooling him, too.
  • Special anti-shoutout to Sam Smith, who had this to say in the first half:
    Not sure what it means, but I've never seen so many Bulls bench guys leaping up for shots made. Betcha Heat doesn't have that spirit.

    Bonus bus vouchers to Sam's rest home to figure out what that actually does mean. Besides the smell of ham and cheese.
  • James Johnson...still too aggressive on both ends. Closes out too recklessly on defense, immediately goes to a dribble-drive on offense. Not a good start for him.
  • John Lucas barely played, and the rest of the non-guaranteed (save Scal) didn't play at all.

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Anyone know what was up with the rebounding differential?

Looked pretty awful.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Oct 6, 2010 12:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Asik got most of the minutes at center

and was really weak on the boards. Also, Deng was spending a lot of time jumping in the passing lanes, so he wasn’t getting the kind of rebound numbers he usually does.

On the bright side though, Derrick looked far more aggressive on the offensive boards. He must have listened when Thibs was talking about how dangerous he is off the rebound.

by tuff-gong on Oct 6, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see a reason Rose can't be at least close to the rebounder Rondo is

maybe it was the Thibs effect all along

I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it

by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 6, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's pretty optimistic, given that Rondo is the best rebounding PG in the league...

But it was mighty nice to see Deng racking up all those steals, which he could do more if Rose and Brewer are grabbing boards. Though it’s tough to limit your two best transition players transition games by asking them to rebound more.

trade offs, trade offs.

by tuff-gong on Oct 6, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rondo seems to do pretty well in transition

I just look at Rose and see that he’s got as much (or more) athleticism as Rondo and almost as much length, I don’t see why he can’t get close in terms of rebounding.

I didn’t say he’d be better, I just think Rose is capable of grabbing 5 or so boards a game.

I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it

by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have measurements,

but aren’t Rondo’s arms like freakishly long? That’s a pretty big advantage.

by tuff-gong on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rondo's hands are ridiculously big

he can easily palm a basketball. He can cup a rebound in one hand and stuff.
And yes, it’s a big advantage.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Oct 6, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

it would be awesome if korver could just get his defense to about where reddick is at for the magic

That’d make him a perfect fit for this team and we’d have no real glaring holes in the starting 5

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Oct 6, 2010 12:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Yea, I'm a little surprised Thibs didn't give a guy like Lucas any burn in the first preseason game

It looked to me like he was excited to play with his new toys, and really wanted to win this game. Everything else looked pretty good though. Most of the important guys played well enough. And you know that even the biggest scrubs on a Skiles team will play his system, so I’m not discouraged by the loss

Superteams suck.

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 6, 2010 12:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I have thoughts.

I think Korver should be the starting 2 and Thomas the starting 4. Giving you Noah,Thomas(Kurt not Kirk, not Tyrus) Deng, Korver, Rose.

Deng looks faster than I’ve ever seen him. Maybe it’s the fresh legs? Really great game. I like this Deng.

Rose is awesome.

Watson is playing Nellyball still.

Asik is HUGE but raw.

JJ was thin and bad.

Scals is a good help defender.

I love the new uni’s.

Neil is a tool.

Thank you and good night.

Opps almost forgot… anyone hear anything about Boozer filing for divorce? I read it on WGN’s ticker. http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/report-bulls-boozer-files-for-divorce.html

punching walls lately?

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 12:57 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hmmm, great point

I read about that divorce story, but didn’t make the correlation. Boozer seems like a pretty angry dude if you ask me. Kinda doubt he took a spill over his bag. Guess it doesn’t matter anymore.

Superteams suck.

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 6, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

This was a great point by.. whoever this is on that link.
Fossilhippie on October 5, 2010 9:02 PM
A fracture of the 5th metacarpal is commonly referred to a a “boxer’s fracture”.
I’d like to get a look at the walls in his place. The team may be able to dock him.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I saw that Boozer had shaved

and just assumed the broken hand was a result of trying to get rid of that monstrous beard

Superteams suck.

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 6, 2010 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah and the beard.. not a good look.

looks better without the beard. For the record.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

they won't dock him

they’ve already given the tripping excuse. It’s probably better PR for them to just accept the story than to try to get some money back for15 games.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Oct 6, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Team might know the truth

But they surely aren’t going to dock their highest paid player before he even plays a game for them, when he’s only missing a month of the season. Yeah, it sucks, but is it worth pissing him off? No.

A lot of people would be pissed off after a divorce. He broke his own pinky, could have been a lot worse. He can still work out, he’ll be in game shape.

by Grinder in Training on Oct 6, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

And it wasn't like he was base jumping.

Willingly, knowingly, violating his contract. He likely had an angry reaction to some bad news, its not like him and his buddies drank a couple of beers and decided to do some wall punching.

by JockstrapNoah on Oct 6, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

His wife is a punching bag?

Yay, high-character peoples!

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Oct 6, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am thinking more like..

Punched a wall in frustration.

"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight

by DRose01 on Oct 6, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that would be nicer

I’ll just go with that because I’m [usually] not a masochist.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Oct 6, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree with the thomas starting thing.

i mentioned this in one of the other threads.
he did a great job filling in for bogut.
i say we let him start at the 4/5 depending on matchups for noah. but basically the idea is to keep taj in his normal role for the most part and also you wouldnt have to play thomas heavy minutes you could just have him start the 1st/3rd quarters and thats it

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Oct 6, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.. his vet savvy made me pleased.

Solid screener, moves the ball and finds the open man. Got to love a good pro. Taj and Noah together is just too redundant. Yeah Taj can shoot the J now and then but like you said keep him in his role.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

totally agree.

it makes so much sense to start him over Taj.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why would you advocate starting Thomas over Gibson?

Don’t you know that mediocre veterans get no love around BAB when there is a young player getting minutes…

*please note, this is especially true at the PF position.

Can't wait to see Boozer and Rose running pick and roll...err...

by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 6, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Taj doesn't qualify as young and is now technically a veteran himself. Add in his limited upside and I don't

think he’ll be garnering the normal support young players get around here. Not to mention many are still pissed he stole Tyrus’s job, the bastard.

Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com

by snley on Oct 6, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

SoulEater likes Deng?

::brain explodes::

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Oct 6, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

looked good.

still won’t give up the ball on the break though.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

He had a nice game.

Wasn’t great at the board but got 4 steals in 25 minutes – thibs must be pleased

by JustAnotherFan on Oct 6, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boozer's Pimp hand is strong

I expect that Boozer will have to switch his pimp-hand to his non-shooting hand. I foresee alot of rehab with Snoop Dog at the Berto Center.

by LeBenny da Bull on Oct 6, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

anyone have any idea when Brewer is suppose to be back?

i’m interested in seeing how the 2 guard position plays out to start the season. Korver looked great tonight, and it would really be nice to have that type of shooting next to Rose and the new slimmed down Deng. The Bucks actually had to adjust their defense to stop a Bulls shooter! That opened up so many lanes to the hoop, and if JJ and Watson hadn’t been in, maybe the Bulls would have took advantage of it.

Brewer is going to play the position completely differently than Korver. I wonder how the sets will change when Brewer and Deng are out there as opposed to having a shooter at the 2 guard. Offensively it could be a struggle, but if Brewer/Deng works well together, the Bulls will have one of the top perimeter defensive duos in the league.

I don’t think we saw any C.J. Watson at the 2, but based on his shooting, I don’t know how viable that is. I thought he played pretty good D and active hands though. He was much better in the 2nd half versus the 1st half.

Bogans is a non-entity out there. Like a bald Adrian Griffin. Maybe it was just the 1st game, but he has to be more aggressive shooting open shots. The Bulls offense, especially without Boozer, can’t afford to have a complete non-entity out there.

All in all, I thought it was a good showing. Thibs certainly did better in his debut in Chicago than VDN in his debut in LA.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 6, 2010 1:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Yea, I really wanna see Brewer too

For all the talk about his defense, and Thibs preaching defense, I really wonder if he can stay on the floor if Korver maintains that kind of play all year.

Superteams suck.

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 6, 2010 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing I love about Korver, is that he has an ideal trait for playing next to Rose

When he gets the ball, he either: a) has the shot and takes it, or b) passes it back immediately. The only bad thing about starting him, is that it gives us a lot less scoring punch off the bench. Maybe you just start Ronnie, but give Korver a majority of the minutes (also depending on how badly he gets burned defensively).

Superteams suck.

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 6, 2010 1:35 AM CDT reply actions  

you gotta start Korver.

Or else everyone is sit on Rose.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

i thought like that at first but i brought up the fact that the boston team actually played effectively with no shooters at times

alot of their runs against cleveland/la/orl came with a backcourt of rondo and tony allen
they switched up the offense so that instead of ray coming off screens for shots they had tony allen in constant slashing motions and stuff.
if deng really has improved his shot we can have him moving off the ball for shots in the corners/3’s and then have brewer in constant motion slashing and cutting
and rose has a better shot than rondo so at least we can have him bail us out once in a while

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Oct 6, 2010 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're forgetting about Paul Pierce, who also is an oustanding shooter

The Celtics almost never had both him and Allen on the bench.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Oct 6, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...

The Korver love is out of control…he has not become this great all around player because he is being coached by Thibs…Korver is still a pretty average defender (at best) who is a career 43% shooter…compare that to Brewer, who is an above average defender with a career FG% over 52%.

Can't wait to see Boozer and Rose running pick and roll...err...

by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 6, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brewer can't shoot though.

That’s why the Korver love is being spread right now. Brewer’s FG% is higher, but only because he slashes and gets his shots at the rim. Korver shoots, and shooters typically have lower FG% than slashers.
I have no evidence of this. But it makes sense.

"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."

by Dash2112 on Oct 6, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those FG%s are clearly eschewed

given the volume of 3s that Korver shoots. Korver is clearly the better all around shooter (note the .620 ts% last season.

That said, I agree that it would be pretty ridiculous to anoint Korver the starting 2 after one pre-season game in which the opponents 1st and 2nd string shooting guards were both injured, and having still not seen Brewer in this offense, or especially on defense.

by tuff-gong on Oct 6, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think it's unreasonable though

for people to call for him starting at the two over bogans, though, lol.

by Jaina on Oct 6, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brewer isn't even healthy enough to make it a competition at this point and Bogans doesn't deserve starting minutes.

As of right now Korver should be starting and finishing games for the Bulls.

Ed Farmer will tell you hit hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ummm..

Brewer only “shoots” layups, his 3pt fg% says it all 23.4%

Korver shoots a lot more 3’s which lowered his FG%, 53% of his shots career came from 3 land, meaning he’s a true role player that knows his role. he shows 41% from there, which is pretty damn good and just broke an NBA record for best 3 fg% in a (injury shortened for him) season.

He’s a 45.4% non 3 FG shooter, with the bulk of those being mid range or farther.

Obv Bulls also favored Korver as a key over Brewer, rushing out to give him the $5M/yr he got.

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Oct 6, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll add

Brewer’s slashing game is redundant with Rose….Korver’s spread the floor game is a better fit.

Utah got away with Brewer-DWILL because Okur’s a long ball Center (about 25% of his career shooting comes from there at an almost 38% clip and he’s shooting much more from that range in Utah), which is rare in the league.

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Oct 6, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

“Keith has played extremely well so far,” Thibodeau said. "Kyle (Korver) has started to shoot extremely well. We were thinking more initially of Kyle playing the backup three but he has shown he can handle the two.

by JustAnotherFan on Oct 6, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh sorry

that is from KC

Thib also said:

“He’s a very good body position defender and he can chase people around screens. He complements Derrick with his shooting to open up the floor.”

by JustAnotherFan on Oct 6, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

damn

Thibs selling Korver as the starting 2 pretty hard.

So this means Brewer only starts against dominant offensive SGs?

by tuff-gong on Oct 6, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Korver is excited with the new coach
"I don’t think I’ve had that many plays run for me in a long time," said Korver, who led the Bulls with 22 points on seven of 12 shooting and made all seven free throws. "I was loving it. I don’t want to be a spot up guy. I want to keep moving and run around and wear my guy out and that’s what happened.

via Sam Smith

by JustAnotherFan on Oct 6, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I remember this argument from the BG days, but certainly can apply here

If Korver’s constantly on the move on the offensive end, that could prove to make him more effective on the defensive end by wearing his guy out. Force teams to choose do they want to make their better guard deal with Rose always having the ball in his hands or chasing Korver around screens.

Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com

by snley on Oct 6, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the majo argument revisited....I like it.

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Oct 6, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Reggie Miller

And early Ray Allen….remember when pre Thibs he couldn’t defend….

Granted Korver’s not at these guys’s levels…but then again we might not need that. He’s as good a shooter probably.

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Oct 6, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love it!

I always hated guarding those type of players.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

It seems this offense is geared towards the active SF

If you noticed both Deng and Korver had good nights. I imagine that they can be very productive as long as the bigs particularly Noah and Asik can pass out of the paint quick enough. Deng is moving like he was this Summer with the UK team. Yes he was dominant in that tournament. I honestly believe that Brewer will help Deng’s offense more than Korver. If Brewer starts I see him and Deng using their length to clog passing lanes and get easy buckets at the beginning of games. If Korver goes back to form in Philly you should expect him to dominate shorter less skilled players, like last night. So much of what he does is just get in good position to shoot.

by LeBenny da Bull on Oct 6, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

watched some highlights and clips online/nbatv

deng really looks impressive. close to the guy who earned that fat contract.
i really felt vinny robbed deng the most outta his production more than anyone else on this team.

deng is such a system guy that he needs to be cutting and slashing and in constant motion off the ball to be effective. we know he cant create too well and yet vinny tried keeping him in the corner standing still or trying to create his own shots.

its nice seeing him in a system that actually is going to utilize him

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Oct 6, 2010 1:41 AM CDT reply actions  

That's the thing

He developed so much under Skiles, that we just assumed he would develop no matter who the coach was.

Then VDN came in and he had no idea what the fuck to do.

With a fresher body type and an actual system in place, Deng might flourish under Thibs

I’m more excited than ever. I miss the “developing” Deng

by Option27 on Oct 6, 2010 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why come when I scourned VDN for not developing players, people yelled at me?

I certainly don’t think it was you, Option, but I vividly recall someone saying I was “over the line” with my “Vinny hate”.

I still think VDN did NOTHING to develop any players.

A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde

by dantheman3k on Oct 6, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Over the line with Vinny hate, at this place?

Unless you were drawing up plans to firebomb his house and asking for his address, I find that hard to believe.

by Grinder in Training on Oct 6, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah but deng would always take on the opposing team's best guy

now you have retard teams like the lakers and heat with a million weapons

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Oct 6, 2010 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

or kirk too but hes gone now too

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Oct 6, 2010 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can tweak the lineup maybe?

Rose, Brewer, Korver, Deng, Noah? Yeah it’s hard to hide him.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep fuck the heat and lakers

Honestly though ray allen was pretty useless on d before boston. If korver were half as useful we’d be fine having him out there. In fact if rose got really good we could just stick him on dwade and deng can take kobe against the lakers.
So basically either rose or korver have to become average perimeter defenders before he can be oout there for stretches

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Oct 6, 2010 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think this lineup might work against the Heat?

I put it in a question mark because of what would play out.
I think it would hypothetically work because the Heat lack size, so we don’t have to have a huge lineup in.
At the same time, this would mean…
Noah on Bosh (good for us)
Brewer on Wade (the best we can do on him)
and…

well, Korver wouldn’t guard Lebron, Deng still probably would.
We all argue Korver doesn’t have the speed / ability / length to cover a good SG (or Lebron at SF.)
Does Korver have the size or strength to guard a PF? I don’t think so.

A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde

by dantheman3k on Oct 6, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we're going to want to go big against the Heat

Don’t play into their hand, play our own game and dominate the glass.

by tuluse on Oct 7, 2010 5:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man, after seeing Wall in summer league, and now his first preseason game

I’m starting to wonder if he can be better than Rose as early as this year. The guy looks incredible. I think he’ll struggle slightly with turnovers, but other than that, he’s gonna be flat out sick right from the jump. And for anyone that says “It’s just preseason”, I think we had a pretty good handle on Rose’s ability after a preseason game or two

Superteams suck.

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 6, 2010 2:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe.

But don’t underestimate D-Rose. I think we are the most fortunate team to have him. We’ve seen too many guys be hyped the last decade and have it be for naught.

by BullsFan22 on Oct 6, 2010 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree he looked impressive

But just think back to those early Bucks games from last year when Jennings was lighting it up. Everyone was pissed that Rose couldn’t shoot from deep and that Jennings was going to overtake Rose fairly quickly. Then he started sucking the second half of the season. He was what, 0-5 last night with 0 pts?

Still agree that Wall looks pretty darn good, but let’s give it some time. Jennings came back to reality.

"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight

by DRose01 on Oct 6, 2010 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big difference between Jennings and Wall in the way they get their points

Wall looks like a mini Lebron, while Jennings just looks mini

Superteams suck.

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 6, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

better player than tyreke overall imo

hes going to definitely be something special.
i say at worst hes an average point guard but
i see him challenging rose for best pg in a few years

the pg battles between rose and wall are going to be amazing
if anyone watched him play yesterday his speed rivals that of rose.
i really cannot wait to see them go full force at each other.
itll be much more entertaining and likeable than rondo vs rose

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Oct 6, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think Reke can be a top 5 player eventually

I’d compare the gap between them to the gap between Lebron and Wade. But Wall is good enoug for me to rethink my playoff seedings

by Stacey_Is_King on Oct 6, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think if Tyreke has the court discipline he could be a top 5 player…..but he has to learn when to attack and when to facilitate still. But the talent is there.

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Oct 7, 2010 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

he is fun to watch but must work on his shots

He will be good. And while I’m not placing any bets yet I won’t be surprised if he becomes better than D.Rose

by JustAnotherFan on Oct 6, 2010 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

should've been

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Oct 6, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

really?

I think every an of the big ten (outside of purdue) hates kramer.

Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.

by Illini0509 on Oct 6, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

*fan

Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.

by Illini0509 on Oct 6, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

not exactly a new development

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Oct 6, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Relatively new to Blog-a-Bull...

But why the Stacy and Neil hate? I think they compliment each other well, and Stacy is actually pretty funny at times.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Oct 6, 2010 8:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I think it mainly has to do with their voices,

as well as the things they say, AAAAAAND the fact that we hate everything not-perfect. See also: your mom’s body.

A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde

by dantheman3k on Oct 6, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Oct 6, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Neil is blind

and there’s something about them not just being homers, but being homers for stupid reasons, that gets me. Also, they slag the opponent way too much. And Neil is blind.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 6, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

*actual

I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it

by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 6, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I preferred Tom Dore...

But Neil isn’t that bad imo.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Oct 6, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

ehhh the only way I think it could get worse than Neil

is if Sam Smith was handling the play-by-play

I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it

by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 6, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then it would just be...

48 minutes of ridiculous trade rumors and speculation.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Oct 6, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well Tom Dore was worse....

I don’t care what anyone says he was awful.

I liked Neil on the radio, but he just can’t see….yesterday he was like Milwaukee has no offensive players out there right now (They had Boykins—a darn good scorer who does nothing else) and they had Ilysasova—who had an off night but is a solid streaky scorer from the second unit—I like Ersan’s game…

And he was like the Bulls have Korver….he’s the only instant offense player on the court right now….

So f-ing frustrating. I like Korver’s game a bit, and I would say he’s light years better than Boykins, but that’s all Boykins does, and Ilyasova can stretch the D out of the post well…

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Oct 6, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

On the radio all you have is what Neil tells you so you don't know he is wrong

especially when he is hammering a player on the other team for no good reason.

by silentpete on Oct 6, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Oct 6, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funk was ripping on Boykins for being short.

WTF? Everybody can see he’s short, its not exactly added value. He’s just got a mean spirit.

by JockstrapNoah on Oct 6, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is true

misidentifying players and so forth … that part’s pretty entertaining.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Oct 6, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have them on mute >90% of the time

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Oct 6, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neil Funk is a pathetic loon who thinks ripping on the opponent passes for analysis.

Stacey gets a lot of love here, YFBB is just a 79 year old curmudgeon with no heart.

Ed Farmer will tell you hit hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 6, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

On Korver's defense

I wonder if that reputation is justified or not. I mean, he certainly isn’t going to be racking up steals, but I am not sure where he gets this rep from. Some stats…Last year. 08-09. 07-08. The team’s DRtg was always better with him on the floor than off. This is likely skewed by him playing more minutes in garbage time, but still. Also, his DRtg has been consistently right around 109. Utah has averaged about a 107 over the past several years. So his DRtg is about two points worse per 100 possessions than his team’s average. Even his STL% is not abysmal. I think Korver could be better with Noah playing behind him and the right scheme.

Finally, the Bulls were solid defensively last year and should be better this year. The Bulls were atrocious offensively, due to VDN ineptitude and no outside shooting. I think if Korver can be near an average defender, the boost he gives to the offense far outweights any problems defensively.

"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight

by DRose01 on Oct 6, 2010 11:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I think he's pretty similar to BG defensively. They have solid fundamentals and get in the proper stance

But they’re just not quick or strong enough to keep up with most guards. And I don’t think he’d fare any better against forwards.

Ed Farmer will tell you hit hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 6, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

i dont agree with this

i think ben gordon had the athleticism to be a good defender, he didnt just commit to defense all the time, which is natural since he is a scorer with a scorers mentality. His defense was limited to simply staying with his man, but you saw him constantly lose track of his man because he would look away and follow the ball for a little while. He never fully committed to defense, just played enough to get by.

Korver is the opposite, he lacks the quickness to move laterally, theres a few times when he was just slow to turn around. If he ever turns his back on his assignment, hes pretty much screwed. He does have good length which helps him close out so you see him play off a bit more. Gordon could stay with his man as long as he wanted too, korver really seems like he has to try on the defensive end to simply stay with his man…

korver, at least yesterday, seemed like he put a lot of effort on the defensive end, and if that continues he wont be as bad as advertised…but i think ben gordon focused on defense is better than korver focused on defense…

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Oct 6, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bulls

Would`ve love to see Scal play since he never did with the Celtics

by Jeffrey Thompson on Oct 6, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

one painful observation that I realized last night is

Brian Scalabrine is wearing #24, how do we go from TT24 to BS24? A guy who jumps through the roof to a guy who has a negative vertical….

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Oct 6, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

went to the game last night

- This was my first time seeing Derrick Rose in person. sweet zombie jesus that man is quick.

- Korver looked really confident in his shot. He definitely played a lot better than I expected and I second the notion that he should at least be considered for the starting job.

Side note: what was with Korver’s missed layup in the 2nd quarter? My seats were close to the opposite rim, but he was wide open and it looked like the ball didn’t even hit the rim. The only more embarrassing moment was Chris Kramer re-enacting Derrick Rose’s block on Scalabrine.

- Asik didn’t necessarily look lost, but wasn’t very effective either. Outside of Joakim, we looked awful in terms of rebounding. Also, I’m not really sure why he’s so awful at the free throw line. His form wasn’t anything noticeably atrocious, but obviously he has some work to do.

- James Johnson…..oh boy. Definitely dropped some pounds, but I’m wondering if he lost some muscle along with it. Very indecisive, and when he did make decisions, they were the wrong ones.

- C.J. Watson – I don’t mean to be pessimistic, but I thought he was awful. He dribbled the clock out on a good deal of possessions, shot terribly, consistently left Dooling open and could not take advantage of being guarded by Earl Boykins. By the start of the 2nd half, I was hoping to see John Lucas in the game.

on the other side of things, I know its just preseason, but the Bucks looked scary good last night. Even without Salmons, Maggette, or Bogut playing, it felt like they had the game in their hands all night. Multiple times I looked up at the scoreboard and couldn’t believe the game was so close. CDR looked like he could score anytime he wanted to. Drew Gooden actually played in the paint (gasp!). Larry Sanders has a smooth jumpshot and I think he caught everyone off guard when he took Joakim off the dribble. Why couldn’t we have picked up Keyon Dooling? Hopefully they will have cooled off by the time we pay them again.

by darksmokepuncher on Oct 6, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

CJ Watson was awful.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bulls waive Chris Richard
The Bulls have waived forward Chris Richard. Richard signed with Chicago on Sept. 27. Chicago’s preseason roster now stands at 16.

Link

by Option27 on Oct 6, 2010 12:29 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

ick.....

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Oct 6, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

that sucks

like why. it’s like inexplicable… i feel like there are so many other options that we could have gone with.

that being said… one of those options is not chris richard. both of those guys are fucking terrible. so if i had to choose one or the other, well, can’t say it matters to me too much. it’s not like he’ll be playing as much as he did last night during the regular season.

by Jaina on Oct 6, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Oct 6, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Link below
*Brian Scalabrine is a lock to make the team.
 
Not only was Scalabrine the only non-guaranteed player to see action other than John Lucas playing the final seven seconds after C.J. Watson fouled out, but Scalabrine made several heads-up plays and knocked down 2-of-5 shots in 20 minutes. He probably won’t play that much once the regular-season starts. But you can see the comfort level Thibodeau has with him.


Link

by Option27 on Oct 6, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think the most striking part of that link is
Not only was he up pacing the sidelines and arguing calls late as if it were a regular-season game, two players said he drew up new plays in huddles that they hadn’t yet seen. Also, Thibodeau called timeout with under 30 seconds remaining and the game decided to try a new play, which had Omer Asik cutting backdoor to take a drop pass from Korver off a screen.
 
If the Bucks hadn’t fouled Asik, he would’ve dunked it.

thibs is so awesome.

by Jaina on Oct 6, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's pretty friggin awesome BUT

Like I wrote in the game thread, I’ll be scared if he keeps that intensity up. I know it’s his first game and his adrenaline is pumping but he might wear himself out, and the players!

by Option27 on Oct 6, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha, true

i was more talking about his drawing up new plays on the spot, more than his yelling, lol.

i just think the dude’s a genius. and not just compared to vinny.

by Jaina on Oct 6, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not so worried with thibs as this seems to be his natural rhythm

But I hope this doesn’t begin like the last few years where everyone starts slow except Deng. Then the others go on fire but Deng breaks

by JustAnotherFan on Oct 6, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

you mean making the bucks look like a solid playoff team

and collecting money from the Bulls while doing it. A crying shame indeed.

don't let the bed bugs bite

by Rex Grossman on Oct 6, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, my bad

What I meant is that this won’t kill Thibs (as it didn’t kill skiles) but yeah could kills some players.
On the other hand Skiles looks like more of a Tyrant asshole while Thibs looks more worried with motivation (while still being a drill sgt.)

by JustAnotherFan on Oct 7, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah he was pretty intense and I doubt he'll change that.

because thats all he did in Boston. Thats his style you hope it doesn’t wear on the players.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scalls missed two wide open threes.

nobody even ran at him, he missed them both. Expect more of that.

by JockstrapNoah on Oct 6, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

sign Rod Benson

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Oct 6, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

YES

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Oct 6, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

ill be on the watch for a new sad tiger picture

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Oct 6, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Meanwhile...

Ike Diogu rots on the Pistons bench last night…can someone email Diogu’s advanced stats to someone within the org?

Can't wait to see Boozer and Rose running pick and roll...err...

by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 6, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This generation of Bulls is slow to get off the blocks.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise anymore. They are also very inconsistent, but they do play hard (and I mean Sheed hard) andt at least they want to be out there. Remember these days? I don’t, but I knew we sucked big time back then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQwLaq5poU

by BullsFan22 on Oct 6, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

that team was designed to fail.

Elton Brand’s momma had big hands.

[O-MAIR A-SHEEK]

by SoulEater7 on Oct 6, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Korver lovefest?

who thunk

man, fuck you! by palmpre on Sep 2, 2010 2:30 PM EDT

by Belize on Oct 6, 2010 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Via KC's twitter
Bulls’ health report: Brewer is out but will travel. Boozer, obviously, is out and won’t travel yet. Taj (back) is in. DRose (rt finger) in.

link

by Option27 on Oct 6, 2010 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Kinda off-topic

But I still think it’s funny.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Oct 6, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

wtf?

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Oct 6, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deng

Deng is always going to be the most efficient scorer on the roster and it will mean absolutely nothing, because he doesn’t command the ball. He doesn’t force his will on the court. He’s the ghost that wore a Bulls jersey. We might miss his scoring if he wasn’t on the team, but Korver can make it up in a flash. In fact Korver made more of impression in one game than Deng has his entire career as Bull. Korver let the Bucks know he’s a threat.

by Kevin34 on Oct 7, 2010 5:02 AM CDT reply actions  

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