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Bobcats 113, Bulls 108: Only the Bulls can stop Derrick Rose

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
Chicago 100.0 108.0 55.4% 17.9 23.7 18.0
Charlotte 113.0 56.6% 35.5 3.1 13.0

 

(is that OREB% correct? wow)

Charlotte is around the same level as the Bulls, and with them at home and the Bulls playing the night before, it's not a surprising loss.

What is alarming is the Bulls still being clueless in late-game situations. It looks like the pattern will be being terrible for 40 minutes and then hope Derrick Rose bails them out (until Rose's recent surge, it was just 48 terrible minutes). That's fine, superstars bail out bad teams (and organizations) all the time.

But after scoring several baskets upon entering the game midway through the fourth, Rose was unable to get a chance to follow through with the comeback. Some of it was his own doing, with lazy passes (and an iffy offensive foul) earning him 3 TOs in that final stint (I believe these were called BG TOs from commenters way back when?). And the Bobcats did make a good adjustment replacing DJ Augustin in the lineup and more effectively trapping Rose up top. Though it helped the 'cats cause with the Bulls lack-of-adjustments, always sending Noah up to screen and bringing an extra defender for Rose to go through...

What happened afterwards was worse, though. Rose took 2 shots in the final 3:30, one of those being a desperation 3-pointer after Salmons was caught in the air and passed him the ball in the final possession. Salmons managed to miss another three in that same possession, and it's pretty safe to say the Bulls should try and avoid 3-point deficits. 

But it's more than who shot the ball as it is the plays that were run, where Rose was not only not shooting but not even the focal point. There was a TO by Salmons where Rose handed him the ball and got out of the way, and later on an inbounds VDN had Derrick Rose inbound the ball. He found the anti-clutch Kirk Hinrich, who was so wide open (or just choked) he hesitated before leaving a 10-foot jumper short.

KC Johnson asked VDN post-game about the success of some of those plays, loading the question (naturally, ugh) by saying they were open shots, so they couldn't have been all bad. Vinny agreed. Not a problem in philosophy, except the Bulls miss a lot of open shots. That's why they find themselves in situations where Rose has to do everything himself. At the very least, let him do it.

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Man!, Kirk

misses a lot of wide open shots, I don’t care about his intangibles, Joakim and Taj have enough intangibles for this team, so give me a shooting guard that can actually shoot, Please!!!!!!!!!

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 9:48 AM CST reply actions  

What pisses me off,

we’re paying $9 mill for his overrated D, lack luster O, deminishing skills and he gets lit up by chucker extrodinare, Flip Murray, trade this guy while team still want his sorry ass.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll rec that!

I think Kirk still has value in the right lineup. I just don’t think that’s here. Trade him at the deadline!

by 72-10 on Jan 6, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rebounds!

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The Bulls are precluded from signing a Tier 1 free agent right now anyway.

So what’s your point?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Refusing to lock up an average shooting guard to a $10 MM/yr contract was a

wise decision on the Bulls part. The Bulls decided to sacrifice this season in hopes of getting better in the summer of 2010, which we all knew going in. It seems you would rather have the Bulls be mired in mediocrity, which the signing BG would have guaranteed, rather than have them take a shot at getting better.

by MrBungle on Jan 6, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It is stupid logic 2 dump your second best player to save money

Using that logic, why don’t we get rid of D Rose and Noah for an expiring contract to free up even more money for a free agent. The Bulls management decided on a mediocrity plan over a decade ago. (We let go young players Brand, Miller, Artest, Gordon, etc. in their prime go for almost nothing). We keep limited talented Hoosier type players who can’t create their own shots.

by sadafan on Jan 6, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

We also overpay them.

Dump your overpaid players to save money. Oh, I forgot. You may have a point. They have unmovable contracts.

by sadafan on Jan 6, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

No, it wouldn't have.

One guy, who infamously over-values rebounds, says Gordon is merely average. Gordon is arguably the best 3-pt shooter of all time, he was the only outside threat on the Bulls and he was BY FAR the most efficient scorer.

Right now, to get cap space that you think is so automatic, the Bulls have to trade John Salmons, Kirk Hinrich or Luol Deng for cap space. That is, a team would have to give up on its 2010 plan for one of those guys, or to think they could really help them if they’re already over. Which one of those is that likely to happen with? How much are one of those guys likely to be traded than Gordon would have been?

We know Deng wouldn’t be easier to trade.

Salmons may have been easier, but do we know that for sure?

Hinrich probably is a little easier to trade, but it’s looking like the Bulls have ZERO interest in trading him. Even then, who wants Hinrich right now?

Besides, you say two more wins right now, but you do realize they’re only 33 games into the season, right? Right now, they are at a 35 and 47 and out of the playoffs. 16 and 17 is nearly .500 and 6th or 7th in the playoffs. One is a lot better than the other.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, there is no basketball equivalent to WAR.

Since you seem to think that Berri overweights rebounds maybe you can show us your regression analysis that proves him wrong.

The difference between being out of the playoffs and being the 6th or 7th seed is not a big difference. BG does not make us a championship contender. Is BG a good sixth man? Definitely. Is he a starting two guard on a championship team? Heck no. As I stated earlier, I would rather lose BG and take a shot at being 1 or 2 than keep Ben and be perennially stuck at 6 or 7.

You also seem underestimate how hard it would be to trade BG and his 5/50 contract. Besides, BG had two earlier offers which he turned down. I realize that ripping GarPaxDorf is all the rage on this blog but GarPaxDorf made the correct decision regarding BG.

by MrBungle on Jan 6, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Following your logic, you should still rip GarPaxDorf

If letting Ben go to have money to sign a max FA is the goal, the failed to follow through:

1) They don’t have the space. If the Bulls are going to play this game, they can’t have their chance to sign someone dependent on the whims of Salmons. They should be sure they’ll have the money. They have failed to do that. I know they still have time, but not much. We’ll see if they can move Salmons or Kirk by the trading deadline.

2) They will have no established coach going into the FA period. You can say that they can hire someone a FA would like in the offseason, but again they could have ensured they had a real coach after last season. Instead, they will be subject to the whims of the coaching market and under a lot of time pressure to make hire.

3) If you believe a competitive team is attractive to FAs, the Bulls punted on that this season. They kept VDN and assembled a truly horrible bench and wasted at least one draft choice on a player that’s a huge project. They punted on 3 bench spots.

If you are going to give up a season to get FA, go all in.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 6, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Thank you

This is what I’ve been saying since the summer. If 2010 is the plan then really go all in and make sure you have the space. I will be shocked if they really get a max free agent because that will call for a some moves to be made.

Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls

by bigballa10 on Jan 6, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Why would I rip GarPaxDorf for refusing to overpay for an average guard?

You say they don’t have cap space now. By signing BG they would have had even less salary available for a potential free agent. When they originally traded for Salmons they did so in the anticipation that he would opt out, which at the time seemed likely.

If you think that a coach and organization trumps max money take a look at Baron Davis.

by MrBungle on Jan 7, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously how are they taking a shot at being 1 or 2?

I think your expectations are a bit high. As has been mentioned countless times on this blog, including by Tyger above, THE BULLS WILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH CAP SPACE FOR A MAX FREE AGENT UNLESS THEY SHED MORE SALARY. That means no Lebron, no Wade, no Bosh. I’m not saying they should have overpaid Gordon, but they certainly shouldn’t have overpaid Nocioni, Deng, and Hinrich with no one else bidding for their services.

Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls

by bigballa10 on Jan 6, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you bigballa10

NO ONE ELSE BIDDING FOR THEIR SERVICES needed to be said. I think people forgot about that.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 7, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

When you can explain how they're in a better position right now to sign a MAX free agent....

…we can start a discussion.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 7, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

What do the Bulls have to offer othe than "Chicago" that...

….Atlanta, Phoenix, Toronto, Miami and Cleveland don’t? All those teams are better than the Bulls.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 7, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

The White Sox!

This was Jerry’s plan all along! He gets players that are actually basketball fans to come to Chicago to watch the White Sox with him!!

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jan 7, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

No one is saying that the Bulls are better than any other team that

is able to offer a max contract. The Bulls need to have the cap space available for a max contract just to be players in the free agent sweepstakes. It does not mean just because they have the space someone will come.

Deciding between the teams is like deciding between working at EY, DT, KMPG or BDO. It’s all personal preference.

by MrBungle on Jan 7, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Banking on the FA bonanza of 2010.

Let’s hope it works. Because let me be the bearer of bad news. The 2000 FA bonanza yielded the great Eddie Robinson. I know you remember that. Bulls tanked and figured since they had money they’d throw it at the upcoming FAs and they’d come to Chicago just because it was Chicago. No go on that.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 7, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

They don't have the cap space.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 8, 2010 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Especially

with all the empty seats in stands THIS year which will only lower BRI projections, the salary cap, and luxury tax.

by kingj41 on Jan 7, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Remember

Those MAX guys are still eligible for a raise based on previous salary, not just a percentage of the salary cap figure, which means they actually take up an even higher percentage of the cap. In essence, you could have a max player taking up a larger percentage of the team salary for each passing year as his salary escalates, which will put you deeper in the tax penalty if the BRI continually dropped. (Obviously this is a worst case scenario.)

This is the reason T-mac is should be a prime target. That’s a guaranteed 20+ mil off the books for next year, as opposed to having Salmons opt in, taking up just under 6 mil and the cap decreasing by, say 2 mil. Then you’re really screwed. Because even if you are able to complete sign & trade deals, you’re still going to be a tax team if you want to compete. And the Bulls flawed thinking is they’ll pay ‘once’ they’re competing.

by kingj41 on Jan 7, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

They could have been rid of Hinrich last season.

Thus, they’d only have to get rid of Gordon.

Now he has less value because teams that wanted PG’s went and got them.

I still think 2/3 of the players who change teams will do so via sign and trade so they can get an extra $40 million and the Bulls won’t get anyone because they won’t have a good player to sign-and-trade.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 7, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

That sign & trade guy

should be Tyrus, but instead of showcasing him or trying to build him up as such, they’d rather break him down and lose all value he may have had.

by kingj41 on Jan 7, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

If they had kept Gordon....

….they could package he and Thomas in a trade or a sign-and-trade.

If they had showcased Thomas and he was averaging 15 and 9 (even if it wasn’t super efficient), then he might make up enough value for substituting Hinrich in w/ Thomas in a trade.

As it is, Hinrich sucks and they don’t play Thomas so I have no idea how they have enough value to be a part of a sign-and-trade.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 8, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

You are making a classic mistake in your logic with Gordon.

You have fallen victim to the Gordon 6th man complex. My question is who on this Bulls team warranted relegating Gordon to 6th man status while he was here? The answer is NOBODY!! He isn’t complaining about coming off the bench behind Hamilton but that’s because Hamilton is a legit starter. Hinrich wasn’t legitimately better than Gordon and if Gordon had been coming off the bench behind Salmons to start this season we already see that he would have been elevated to starting…again.

Seeing as how Gordon has been a stellar playoff performer these past few years (consistently the best Bull since Jordan and Pippen…and before you talk about Deng’s Miami Heat series 3 years ago keep in mind that Gordon averaged 25 ppg 5 rpg and 5 apg in that series as well), do you really think he couldn’t have helped the Cavs last year? You don’t think Gordon’s 20+ ppg in the playoffs could have relieved LeBron of a little bit of pressure? You don’t think Gordon’s 20+ppg in the playoffs and his clutch shooting wouldn’t have helped to lift Denver to a greater extent than Dante Jones 4 or 5 pts did (don’t talk to me about defense because Kobe had his way with Dante Jones the same way he’d do with Gordon…Gordon would just give some back).

All along, the mistake the Bulls made was not surrounding Gordon with players who were better than him. Gordon was nowhere near the problem for this team that many tried to make him out to be and he should still be a Bull…and the Bulls should still be in search of players better than him so that he could be one of the deadliest 3rd options in the NBA!! Bulls management failed miserably in putting better players on the court with him…with the exception of Rose. The Rose/Gordon backcourt was gelling by season’s end and in the playoffs they averaged about 45 ppg between them and were downright dangerous. They were primed to be one of the better backcourts in the league this year. But Bulls management fooled you and made you think Gordon was the problem.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 7, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And now they're doing the same thing to Tyrus Thomas.

I get sick and tired of reading about him taking bad jump shots. Everybody in the league takes shots at times that make you say “WTF”, but Thomas gets singled out by fans here who buy into the mess that gets put out there by media members who are shills for Bulls management and do their dirty work for them.

Tyrus Thomas has to be unleashed in order to be the player he can be. He’s a good kid who has had a difficult time dealing with the games the Bulls play (Reinsdorf has played games with a lot of Bulls going back a LOOOOOOONG time so this shouldn’t surprise anyone). I hope to see him still wearing a Bulls uniform in the future but I think there’s a slim chance of that.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 7, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

BG actually is a sixth man so please explain how I have fallen victim to the "BG is a sixth man complex."

I must have missed the classical BG Sixth Man Complex during my studies.

All along, the mistake the Bulls made was not surrounding Gordon with players who were better than him

So you basically are saying that BG needs players who are better than he is in order for a team to be successful. Is that someone who is worth 5/50?

by MrBungle on Jan 7, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

No, your comment indicates that you aced that class.

The player you just described is Luol Deng (needs players who are better than he is in order for a team to be successful…in his own words, a classic system player).

The player I described was the best Bull for at least 4 of the last 5 years and the Bulls would have benefited greatly if they had kept their best player and continued bringing in top tier talent (ala Derrick Rose albeit through the greatest stroke of luck in years and not some savvy management move) so that Gordon wouldn’t be the best player on the team anymore. This guy who averaged 20 ppg for the Bulls last season playing alongside our franchise PG and has easily been one of the deadliest offensive weapons at the SG position the last few years. But Gordon was punished for being the best player on a team of regular guys. Of the guys the Bulls have paid 8 figure salaries to in a single season in the last few years Gordon was a better and more consistent performer than either and FAR more deserving of an 8 figure salary than either. So don’t twist what i’m saying. The fact remains that Gordon was indeed the best Bulls player until Rose got to Chicago and you keep your best players and bring in more good/great players if you want to win.

Moot point though because Gordon never got “Deng” or “Hinrich” money in a Bulls uni, but the point remains. Go over the damn cap like other winning teams do and keep your best players…one of which Gordon clearly was.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 7, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And yes he's a sixth man in Detroit now, but like I said he'd...

…be a starter now for the Bulls even if he began the season on the bench because his game is better suited to play with Rose than anyone else on this Bulls roster. I say again, the Bulls moved the guy whose game MOST complimented Derrick Rose’s game!! A few folks around here said that last year and were laughed outta the forum because folks were certain that Salmons was the answer at the 2 because he was “big”.

What’s crazier though is that Gordon (the human turnover machine in the eyes of many here) is averaging about the same number of TOs that Hinrich is averaging…yet Gordon has FOR YEARS been in a far more compromising position with the ball. That position is called “scoring position” where more than one defender is focusing on you because you are capable of doing something good with the ball. What ever made Hinrich and Deng worth what they were paid…especially when the Bulls were bidding against themselves?

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 7, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

You use a lot of words but you don’t say very much.

by MrBungle on Jan 7, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem was,

Ben Gordon would turn the ball over in critical situations

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 8, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

It is, actually.

Rondo isn’t going to win a championship by himself. Neither is Kendrick Perkins. However, they’re still really good players. Put some legit stars around them, and you have yourself excellent role players. A PG who handles, distributes and plays D? A Center who defends and rebounds? Let your other players do all the big work.

A sharp-shooting 3-pt shooter? Let your Rose’s, Bosh’s, Noah’s do all the other work.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 8, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Without KG, Allen, and Pierce,

those 2 guys were headed to busterdom real fast

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 8, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

not rondo. even in that awful 07 celtic season you could tell

rondo was really gifted.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Jan 8, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Rondo's probably the best player on the Celtics

RIGHT NOW.
I don’t know how you could say that.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jan 8, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

"That's why they find themselves in situations where Rose has to do everything himself. At the very least, let him do it."

That’s my biggest gripe with these guys. They refuse to recognize who the best player on the team is. As long as Derrick is on the floor, the ball should be in his hands to either make a play or set one of them up for a play. Nobody else is more effective at making plays for himself and that’s putting it lightly.

Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls

by bigballa10 on Jan 6, 2010 9:52 AM CST reply actions  

Fire Vinny and

blow up this god awful roster. Why isnt TT starting yet? Not hating on TG but seriously give me a break. Only on the Bulls can a guy loose his starting spot to a rookie and to injury. Thats like a #1 no no in pro sports. You do not loose your spot to injury let alone a rookie i dont care how good he is. Why was D Rose throwing the ball in late to kurt? Why would D Rose ever throw the dam ball in, thats just done.

How closely do you guys watch the ensuing play after a time out? Its a complete joke. To go from Skiles to Vinny is so sad. I just cant wait until we get a real coach and upper managment, even if it takes another 10 years.

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 6, 2010 9:54 AM CST reply actions  

I agree but

Didn’t Kirk loose his job to a rookie last year?

I think you can lose your job where to an injury but it has to be to someone who is obviously in future plans… which is why most people here assume that TT is gone at the end of the year. If they had plans to resign him they would start him.

by 72-10 on Jan 6, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Your right about D Rose taking

Kurts job but that was so obvious to everyone in the world. This TG and TT thing is different IMO because i dont even think TG is better. your totally right about what message managment is sending though. TT is obviously gone. Its just really really sad and what makes it worse is that it means its a failed draft pick and an asset we will get nothing for in return if he goes the BG route. How man blunders will this front office make before reinsdork wakes up? It was one thing to trade LA ( let’s face is a better pro player at this point than TT) but now your not getting anything for him and he’s basically been given his walking papers. Thats like 2 major franchise altering mistakes. Heads should roll because of something like that.

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 6, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you

I was just trying to demonstrate how obvious they’re being in wanting TT out of here… which you obviously get!

And that you should play talent first.

by 72-10 on Jan 6, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Talk to Drew Bledsoe about that one...

As Tom Brady came in for him (or so I recall)…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I totally get your point here though

I’m not gonna go all Neil Funk or now Sam Smith and talk about Taj as this superstar. Start Tyrus already, at the very best, he is good when given a steady role (proved as such 2nd half of last year where he was really really good) at worst, he at least makes this horribly boring team a bit more interesting with his untapped potential and occasionally crazy-amazing plays….

We have enough workman players as is….let’s play the talent.

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

honestly

the only way TT is getting the starting spot back is if TG gets hurt. now i dont want that but if those first 3 games didnt do it, nothing from here on out will. I mean he won VDN his firrst freaking playoff game and what did that get him, reduced minutes. he rocks the house first three games back, saves VDN his job most likely and what did that get him, reduced minutes with no way to get his job back. At least they started BG when the writing was on the wall. i mean from a business stand point, start TT so you can atleast showcase him and try and trqade him for an asset. Dont just jetison him like this and ruin his stock even more. I swear for a franchise so worried about the bottom line they arent to business savy when it comes to assetts.

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 6, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Why when we had the #1 pick didn’t we trade Kirk. Who cares about playoff pushes, etc (which was b.s. but that was the talk the summer before last), you have the #1 pick, you focus the team on the #1 pick and you jettison the unneeded luxury.

Instead what do we do, we keep him, talk of having Rose come off the bench for a while, then to the fans thankfully see Kirk go down to injury early, to come back and play well for us just enough to get his rep back….but now see him back to a poor level because he’s a PG (a fairly good PG too) playing out of position. The sell that he’s a combo guard because he doesn’t have more assists, etc is crap. He hasn’t had a post player since Curry and Curry wasn’t really in condition as a player to play for a decent team….

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

There's something to learn from this

1. Ben Gordon is better than Tyrus Thomas. They didn’t want Gordon, but even though they didn’t want him, they weren’t so foolish as to not play him. When push came to shove, they knew he was the difference between winning and losing. The Bulls also don’t want Tyrus, but they feel he doesn’t make the sort of difference Gordon did.

2. I think people misunderstand Tyrus’ value around the league. Whether other teams value him or not, there is almost no point in trading for him (simply because you like Tyrus Thomas as a player) because teams know the Bulls have no intention of re-signing him.

Tyrus isn’t good enough so that a team is going to think “I really HAVE TO HAVE him for a playoff run RIGHT NOW”. If they want him, they want to take a chance on him from a longer term perspective. Because they think “there’s a guy who can be developed” and the Bulls just failed. But if that’s your rationale, you just wait till this summer and offer a deal then. That way you don’t have to give up anything of value to the Bulls at all.

This isn’t to say he’s untradeable. I’m sure plenty of teams would give up players they don’t want, or perhaps make a deal for financial reasons for Tyrus. But again, those are things they’d like to do for their own sake, and Tyrus is sort of secondary to that purpose.

To get a team to consider giving up real value for Tyrus, if they in fact value him, the Bulls would have to create a realistic perception that they intend to re-sign him. To do that, moving Deng or Hinrich for expirings would be much more important than playing Tyrus. Because that would at least create the possibility for the Bulls to re-sign Tyrus while still executing a 2010 plan.

Only after doing that (which obviously wouldn’t happen) would it make sense to really start showcasing Tyrus and hoping their actually is some team out there that’d give up something the Bulls would like. Of course, that’d be a pretty big risk for the Bulls to take if they actually value Kirk and Deng (which they do, I think).

by Sports2 on Jan 6, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

"create a realistic perception that they intend to re-sign him."

oh, so not like the ‘contingency plan’ McGraw had this week where they’d sign Joe Johnson and then trade for Boozer OR resign Tyrus, which is impossible :-D

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It's surprising that the perception among writers is that the Bulls are well-positioned for FAs

Maybe it’s more surprising that the Bulls seem to think they are well-positioned.

IF the Bulls can shed Salmons or Kirk, the best case scenario is Joe Johnson and Taj Gibson starting.

If not, I think you’re looking at something like David Lee and Salmons, or (maybe even more likely) the same Bulls team minus Tyrus.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 6, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

which is why i've always thought the Bulls have no intention on signing a free agent this summer.

Rather, they will try to package their expiring contracts and other players in trades with teams that are in financial distress.

Then after they see what they have, they will either keep VDN or fire his ass for a coach that can do something with their upgrader roster.

by hlac on Jan 6, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That may be why we are hearing Jamison and Butler rumors

the Bulls are trying to get as much talent as they can for their expiring contracts than dangle young players and picks for a sign and trade.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

On the first note...

…don’t forget that Gordon didn’t start at SG to start the season. He got 26, 27, 20, 33 and 31 minutes the first 5 games. In the sixth, after it was clear Sefolosha sucked, Hinrich started. Only when Hinrich got hurt, did Gordon begin starting.

I wouldn’t give this organization a damned bit of credit in knowing the difference between winning and losing.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't even think the Org. influences minutes

that’s VDN. They wouldn’t even tell Boylan to play Tyrus. VDN keeps his rotations tight and as Sports2 said, it’s a much easier case to make for Gordon starting. VDN does not like or trust Tyrus, I don’t think the Org. is pushing anything, that’d imply foresight.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand that.

That was my point. The organization doesn’t give a damn about winning or losing. And I doubt Del Negro “wanted” to start Ben either. He was just sorta forced to.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

All true, but there was a fair amount of talk about benching Gordon after Kirk returned

and after the Salmons trade.

But, to his credit I guess, Vinny recognized that’d be pretty idiotic, even though both a rationale and an organizationally developed meme for it were already in place.

by Sports2 on Jan 6, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

True, but if Del Negro is making smarter decisions than the organization...

…..like I said, that doesn’t say much for my confidence in the org.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Your right

but TB is clearly the better player wouldnt you agree?

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 6, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I was kidding obv, just for point. THough I’m sure at the time folks were a bit miffed, and then Brady went all apeshit….and proved them wrong.

But yeah Taj seems good, but he’ll never be perhaps the best or second best PF for years to come as Brady was (I’d say Peyton is and was better and maybe more are saying that now, but still before last year’s injury it was Brady as the premier one because his whole team was stronger)…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Things from a very frustrating game.

Refs -The Bulls had one of those nights where they were on the otherside of bad reffing(other games they get bailed out). Taj was in foul trouble all night – cause hes still getting rookie calls and that will change in future. The Derrick And 1 that turned into an offensive foul was a very bad call…ect. Vinny’s 1st T was justified because that game was being called very tight and its hard to pick up defensive or make a run when refs are calling every ticky-tack foul. The refs were also very slow with whistles and that makes it appear they are doing a very poor job.

Vinny – As was pointed out in the recap above, end of game situations are disasters. My biggest problem was once Derrick got going at the 5min mark why does Vinny keep sending Noah up for a pick and roll. There were 2 possesions in that last 3:30 where the Bobcats doubled and forced him to give it up. The inbounds that produced the Hinrich short 9fter – he shouldnt be inbounding( does Wade inbound in end of game situations?)

Taj vs. Tyrus- I know this is as heated a debate going right now on the board but the gametape from the last two games showed a huge difference between the two. Taj is a post player while Tyrus is not. While Tyrus was taking early shotclock jumpers with his heels on the 3pt line Taj is in the post which helps offensive rebounding(not last night but normally good #s) or he is an actual post up option once in a while. On a dead possesion last night Deng threw it into him and let him go 1-1 and he scorred. The reason Sam Smith said Noah and Taj cant be out at same time is this exact reason. Tyrus and Brad are perimeter bigmen and Taj and Noah offer something near the basket.

James Johnson- Which city has the Bulls NBDL affiliate? Yes he hit a corner 3, but he does so many things wrong for a team that needs to play almost perfect to win a lot of nights. Larry Brown isoed him almost everytime down the floor his first stint in and I think other coaches will see that in the game tape. He is still good for 2 bad fouls and for 1-2 awful TOs a game that lead to a 3 on 1. Why is he in the rotation right now but he wasnt most nights when Ty and Kirk were out? I guess you can argue a 9 man rotation over an 8 but for his overall growth as a player I think its time to get some pollish in games that dont matter.

Charlotte has been the deadest areana the Bulls have played in this season. The knock off Pistons announcer is real bad…. come on Michael get your marketing skills up.

by Jscho316 on Jan 6, 2010 10:09 AM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't be

to excitied of having no cap room, and years of mediocore basketball, years of having to watch a nucleus Crash, Capp’n Jack, Diaw, Felton, and Augustine.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

hey, hey

Crash is at least exciting.

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by Cosmis on Jan 6, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

He is a good player, but

the overall product they put on the floor wouldn’t inspire me to buy tickets.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I completely agree

but I would pay to see Gerald Wallace on a better team. Or the Bulls. God, he would be perfect for the Bulls.

Gerald Wallace > Deng and Taj with ease.

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by Cosmis on Jan 6, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Leon Wood has no place in the NBA as a referee

He made that charge call on Rose from the scorers table. He has to be Superman to have the vision necessary to see the position of the defender stationed underneath the basket. The player that hit Wallace was Ronald Murray. Rose didn’t even touch Wallace.

These are the calls that kill the NBA. When common sense is the argument against the calls made by the referees they have to find ways to hold that whistle or allow the official with the best positional perspective to make or not make that call.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 6, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Charlotte was dead...

 I think the fans forgot there was a game going on… I only caught the fourth quarter, but I would expect that to be the loudest quarter! Is the economy down there worse than here so there are less people there? Or are the fans just quiet?

by 72-10 on Jan 6, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

At the open of the broadcast

Neil and Stacey were doing their floor report and in the background you could see almost 90% of the seats were empty. This continued well into the 2nd quarter. After halftime it appeared that everyone that was going to be there was there, but the Bobcats may have invited the upper level to move to the lower level.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 6, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

fans?

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.

by SoulEater7 on Jan 6, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

the Bobcats have a good home record

maybe they play off the soul-suckingly quiet atmosphere, whereas teams like the Bulls are not used to it.

Though I think the Bulls have to be one of the worst road-attendance draws in the league. Another Reinsdorf trickeration!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably the truth given how much pro teams massage ticket sales.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?sort=away_pct&year=2010&seasonType=2

8th in road attendance? Detroit in the top 5? Looks like front office bullshit to me.

Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Jan 6, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

wow, I stand corrected

don’t see how the road numbers would be massaged though.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Crazy that OKC

Would be towards the bottom of the road attendence….I mean I’d kill to see Kevin Durant and the emerging young talented THunder live….

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

that was certainly high up on my 'ticket draft'

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

But you’re a megafan…just proves the general public are morons.

I mean for me, I’d probably take

LA (good seats) first.

then see my boy from Marquette Wade yet again

Then the THunder….

Though i haven’t gone yet this year….that $25 family plan thing was making me think, well sure it’s a pain in the butt to get down there, but maybe I’ll just do it a few times, and then yesterday’s game reminded me that it was stupid.

Though who knows, maybe I’ll go to the Bucks game on Fri if I can find tix (They’re cheap) and with parking and the roads being easier, it’s just easier to get around up there….

Ahh.suburbia.

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't road attendance also driven by fans of that team?

Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Jan 6, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Well it is...

Have they only played the Bucks, Philly, Memphis, Jersey and Sacto (Teams that draw nothing)? I mean 11 of bottom 15 teams are from the EAST….which OKC ain’t likelyt o have already played both their 2 games against….

That’s a crazy stat how much more pop the game is in the West….it’s funny to me too because it’s so freaking cold in the East, and there’s little else to do….

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmm....

Yeah, I’d think Dwight Howard was a better draw. See the Bulls before seeing the Magic. Maybe has more to do with how affordable it is to see the Bulls vs. the Magic coming to town.
Hardcore Laker, Celtic and Lebron fans will go in droves. Then ppl look for value of the game. Just my guess…

by kingj41 on Jan 6, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Why do we force JJ minutes when Tyrus ain’t getting enough as is. Johnson is a BUST….might not be in a few years, but send him out to get some work in the d-league.

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought the same thing.

James Johnson would DOMINATE in Iowa.

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by Cosmis on Jan 6, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Taj vs. Tyrus

When have the bulls even showcased tyrus in the post this season and when you look at gametape Taj is posting up players with no low post D like Lewis(magic) and last night Wallace who was much smaller. I agree Taj is disciplined on D. but if we were able to get coaches to teach rather than Boylan and Vinny I believe Tyrus would be guy we see flashes of .

by stretch1 on Jan 6, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Development by their own work ethic

But they need more and that comes from a coach and his staff. chris paul was a beast cause he is but the offense he was in with Scott just made it more noticeable. And why would a 2010 free agent come here if our management is so screwed. Joe Johnson left the Suns even though they were winning for money but he was young I think now in his career the money will take care of itself but he wants to win and I don’t think the Bulls will give him a winning squad. We could sign Joe but we still going to need a bench all the top teams have a deep bench except the Lakers.

by stretch1 on Jan 6, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm gonna make this comment about Taj and TT even though I already know TT is gone

Taj and TT have different roles on the offense. Taj will either be put in the post where he is more polished than TT, or he’s put in the high post to set screens, hit the open jumper from the free throw line, or have the offense ran through him to make passes to teamates. TT on the other hand, comes in the games and basically is kept out to the post, he rarely runs the pick and rolls unless Kurt is the PG, and for the most part you see him when the spread is being ran, and he’s positioned out near the perimeter outside the fram of the offense by design. Taj is involved in the offense, TT is not, so when they get the ball, one is getting it in the flow of the play, and one gets the ball as a last resort to see if he can make something happen. Add to that, when TT normally gets the ball, because of his position being so far from the rim, now TT has to actually make a perimeter player move which nobody wants to see. This is Vinny Del Negro’s doing. It’s easy to say “Why does Tyrus shoot these jumpers?” or “Why’s he 20 feet away from the rim trying to be a guard?” Because Vinny has to have TT on the offensive side of the court to keep the defense honest, if he could, Vinny wouldn’t even bring TT past half court. I don’t know if it’s lack of trust or just personal beef with the guy, but TT is the ONLY Bulls player treated this way, and he’s not even the worst offensive player, he’s not the most fundamental, but clearly not the worst. He gets more assists than Taj, so know reason you can’t trust TT to make good team plays from the high post like you trust Brad and Taj, he can hit the mid range jumper when he’s at a reasonable distance, but the problem is he doesn’t run these plays consistently enough to perfect the play. Taj is going to start the rest of the year unless he gets injured or really starts to stink it up, and next year TT is gone, even if the Bulls realise they want him, I doubt he chooses to stay. At the end of the day, TT may end up having worse numbers than he had last year because of what’s going on.

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by Mr Rhythm on Jan 6, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The only thing Tyrus can do is

guard the 3, he does not have a skill set of a 3

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Just because he wants to be it doesn't mean he should play it!

If TT playing SF is because he so wants to play, Vinny is still wrong for thinking he can play there. TT still needs to learn the PF role, and Vinny wants to experiment playing him at a position we’re already secure at! Vinny is wrong, he needs to tell TT to get his butt in the paint and excel there. Just my opinion.

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by Mr Rhythm on Jan 6, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Des Moines.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/iowa/

Which city has the Bulls NBDL affiliate?

We miss you, Ben Gordon!

by Granny Waiters on Jan 7, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

It's mostly Managements (GarPaxDorf) fault, YFBF keeps telling you this.

They selected this roster. Even D Rose can’t continue to beat double and triple teams. You think all of our opponents are stupid. They know who (Rose) can create his own shot on this team. Opponents strategy is to make inconsistent Hinrick and Salmon take clutch perimeter shots. I thought the Bulls did well to keep the game close, considering.

by sadafan on Jan 6, 2010 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

Take the Ball out DRose hands

Pack the paint. Force Hinrick and Salmons to create for others. Is ten seconds enough time for those two to create a scoring opportunity.

by sadafan on Jan 6, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Not even a sweat

I saw a totally disinterested Charlotte team basically going through the motions, they seemed to have no fear of Bulls. What coach leaves his star till little over six minutes left in last quarter only to see him bring you to the point of winning, and then you compound this by having him take ball out with game on line. To watch this stupidity game after game is getting old.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

They didn't go through the motions, you're giving the

Bobcats too much credit, they aren’t that much better either

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I really don't think we have no where near the athletes

that they have not to mention the coach, Wallace, Jackson, didn’t play their normal games.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Wallace and Jackson - and Murray - had among their best games of the season

Don’t see how that fits with your statement that the Bobcats were disinterested and going through the motions.

Just waiting on some offense....

by wjb1492 on Jan 6, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

becuase they made no attempt

to stop anyone once they got into the lane…

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by Cosmis on Jan 6, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Athletically we're there

Deng, Tyrus, Rose, Noah are FAR more athletic than Wallace and Jackson….

We just aren’t playing them right. Deng’s in the Jackson levels athletically, but Noah-Rose and still probably mostly Tyrus are the freakish athletes of this bunch…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Wallace

and Noah would be equal, by Rose and Tyrus are far superior.

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by Cosmis on Jan 6, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Wallace and Noah

Athletically probably are equal, but Noah gets the edge because he plays the C spot and goes against more lumberingly slow bigs in the traditional sense…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Athleticism's Good

Give me good ball players and the rest will be o.k. Wallace is better than everyone else on the bulls with the exception of Rose. At some point heart and determination must account for something.

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who gone spit that Ramo on the train tracks/
that gold rope, that 5 finger ring rap/
runnin with my same pack/

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by EngleWood's Finest on Jan 6, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I'll agree there

But for the money diff $9.5M vs $2M, give me Noah.

Gerald Wallace ain’t gonna bring you a title and is a very good #3.

Noah’s probably a good #4 on a real contender, but because we’re so bad we have hm as our building block with Rose.

I like Noah quite a bit—have and do—and if the pieces fall, that is what it is….but Noah’s not (or shouldn’t be) ungettable.

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I did not mind the Bulls letting Gordon go, but they did

not replace his shooting, Pargo is not the answer, nor is Hinrich and Salmons, but Salmons is starting to shoot better, wish I could say the same for Hinrich.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

Heinrich's overated defense

He was getting lit up all night long and if he can’t hit jumpers what good is he, Salmons is in a fog, a step behind the action all night long, we need help!

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I disagreed with losing Gordon

I think he would have complimented DRose well. Especially now that Rose and Noah have improved. Harder 2 stop a two-headed snake.

by sadafan on Jan 6, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

This is a major problem going forward

If Heinrich, and or Salmons cannot hit those open shots, Derrick will have no chance, we need a threat from outside big time.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Not until next year sadly

I really believe the Bulls are on the sidelines till next season.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

And "Kurt" adding an "e" to his last name will help?

I really believe the Bulls are on the sidelines till next season.

We miss you, Ben Gordon!

by Granny Waiters on Jan 7, 2010 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not going to kill vinny for Rose inbounding

The play might have been for the ball to go right back to him, but Kirk was so wide open he had to take the shot- maybe that was why he hesitated.

Yet another game the Bulls would have won had BG been here. How much a swing was letting him go for nothing been? 3 games so far? 4? 5? What will it be by the end of they year? 8? 10? The difference between facing the Heat in the first round instead of the Cavs?

JR should be embarrassed. Its really too bad the recession didn’t crush him to the point that he had to sell.

by silentpete on Jan 6, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

What is Kurt thinking

There is a reason you are open, and you proved it, can you ever remember him hitting a game winning shot, at any level.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually, even if a player was wide open for a jump shot the

play still should have been to get the ball back to Rose immediately. Rose was rolling. He was getting to the rim. He was getting hacked. He had all the momentum to get the ball and attempt to do it again.

Kirk is a vet, but unfortunately he thinks he is something he is not. Kirk is out there down the stretch to get stops, not make jumpers.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 6, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Kurt seems confused

His role on team is loosely defined, is he a point guard, off guard, do I defer to Rose, I’m the Captain, I being paid all this money, Rose is only in this league two years, and Deng might be behind the scene adding fuel to the fire.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Didn't seem to me

like Rose was actually trying too hard to get open again. Maybe it was the play that vinny drew up, in which case that’s a terrible call

by LimeyBull on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Vinny's had a habit

Of throwing teams off by using someone you wouldn’t necessarily expect getting open….

and mostly the shots have gotten off cleanly….Brad Miller had that play in the Celtics series where he was mauled and not a flagrant….then Miller had that play this year against the Nuggets that went off but didn’t go off….and now Hinrich was wide open….

Not a bad look, threw the Bobcats off, and well just didn’t go in.

What I fault Vinny for yesterday was first sitting Rose until what 7 minutes left after what seemed an eternity….not playing Tyrus enough (as normal) and well….not making any changes in a very winnable game when both teams seemed mildly disinterested.

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

But those were shots from locations that Brad knows

They are shot locations he takes shots from all the time. He uses the pump fake all the time. That’s his game.

Kirk firing off a 17 footer from the left wing isn’t something he does.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 6, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It isn't? Then why has he been taking them for 7 years?

Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Jan 6, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

The left wing is Kirk's

spot, if you notice, he burries a lot jumpers of the left wing from about 17-20ft

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

ball go right back to him where?

he was inbounding from under the basket. The ’cats likely left Hinrich open for a reason.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

So he can throw

up one of his customary bricks. CLANK!!!! off the side of the rim

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

2010

What worries me is that it seems the Bulls have written off this year in favor of next, We might have to get accustomed to this.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 10:41 AM CST reply actions  

It's worth it if they land a superstar

And they should be able to land one.

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by chapuforyou on Jan 6, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

That's pretty much been the point of this blog since Gordon wans't re-signed.

2010 is meaningless except for the development of Rose and Noah. You should have known this by now.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah you are right

but there are some creative ways to put a cmpetitive team on floor and still be in position to make moves in free agency, but you have to work at it, and I don’t think that effort was there if all you can come up with is Salmons for Gordon, Pargo for off bench scoring and Gray and Hunter for what?

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

this is just sinking in now? :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

naw BB we know what's wrong

but we aren’t going to correct the obvious problem, how many games have we sacrificed for this lack of action.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

The final play did not result in an open shot

Unless you count the shot after Kirk’s back tap out to Salmons. And you shouldn’t.

It was an awful atrocious play, that resulted in having Salmons with a man right on him with ball. He jab stepped and jumped and passed Derrick the ball, but it’s pretty clear that passing to Derrick was not the play.

This far into the season, I think it’s clear the difference Gordon made. With him after Salmons was acquired last season, the Bulls were an above average offensive team even with no offensive scheme. Now, they are just bad. It’s actually pretty interesting how much difference a single player can make.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 6, 2010 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

Are you retarded?

Or just LOVE to bash vinny?

Final plays rarely result in open shots. This case it did! Salmons came off a dribble handoff and saw Rose was open at the last second.

Same thing would happen with BG, except he would have forced it or dribbled off his foot.

by Trey23 on Jan 7, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Or made it...

…as he was wont to do.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 8, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

There was something between Gordon and Mgmt.

I really beleive he got on their bad side when he rejected their first offer, and they made the decision right then to let him go, but what they didn’t do was replace him.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

John Salmons is his replacement

An adequate one? No

"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"

by chapuforyou on Jan 6, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Big Mistake

when Salmons was operatin in the midst of some bonafide scoring threats it was no problem, but when he bacame the Man, he went South fast.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Deng also rejected the Bulls first offer the same year as Gordon,

and was rewarded with a big contract by JR and Forman the next year (Paxson was specifically excluded from the negotiation).

I really beleive he got on their bad side when he rejected their first offer, and they made the decision right then to let him go

We miss you, Ben Gordon!

by Granny Waiters on Jan 7, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The 3rd quarter was just horribly officiated

On both ends the refs were handing this game to the Bobcats. Boris Diaw pump faking to get JJ in the air. JJ lands in FRONT of Diaw. Diaw still jumps into him. The shot doesn’t fall. Then the ref’s arm goes up calling a foul.

Gerald Wallace taking a “charge” with both feet in the restricted circle in addition to just flopping as he took almost no contact from Joakim Noah. Again, this charge was called by the referee nearest to the scorer’s table. They have no view of the circle from that angle. They can’t make that call. But they do and the NBA has no open system for assessing the performance of its officiating staff.

The Bulls do suck, but the Bobcats were practically giving this game away. The refs did a terrific job of keeping the game close enough to keep the Bobcats in it.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 6, 2010 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

I usually don't make a big deal about the officials, but I'm with you.

They were over-the-top bad, and their calls went one way. Usually the shittiness of the refs evens out. Last night it didn’t.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Jan 6, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

that JJ call was ridiculous

nothing worse than the ‘wait to see if it goes in’ foul.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

This is the reason why we lost

Yes, Hinrich and Salmons missed open shots and we could’ve won with those shots. But the referees were terrible. They made some calls against the Bulls that were just ridiculous.

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Jan 6, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll agree there

In general I tend to think all the ref negativity is a bit much….but yesterday’s game was horrible, it’s like they all learned from Violet Palmer….the worst ref in the NBA and she looked like a superstar compared to the garbage of yesterday….

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

This game was ours

that is what is so frustrating about this, they were beatable, and we let them off the hook, they were floppin all over the court and it was bad floppin.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

Nice Denny Green reference!

They are who we thought they were!!!!

by 72-10 on Jan 6, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Play of Game

Vinnie’s Technical, I replayed it five times!

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

As bad as that officiating was

He shoulda gone Bobby Knight on them, thrown a chair across the floor, He woulda gotten Major points from me not to mention the team.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Vinny must have read this blog

I think someone wrote yesterday that Vinny never got a Technical. Guess what, a few hours later, he did get his first T

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Jan 6, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

He also needs to

get a $25k fine and critize the refs, stick up for your team.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Baby steps

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Jan 6, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

If anything, VDN getting tossed

would put the calls on Sportscenter. I couldn’t believe a referee waited for a shot to see if it went in or out before they raised their hand to call the foul. I was hoping Vinny would get tossed on that one.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 6, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking

I was talking to someone YESTERDAY about this and then suddenly he gets a tech….

It was surreal….

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he got

a T last season too.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Vinny sitting Rose with seven minutes left in the 4th was really irritating.

Watching the lead blow up. A ten point lead on the Bulls is really like a 20 point lead. It takes them a whole quarter and a half to get back from that deficit.

Tyrus has quit playing team basketball is pretty frustrating but.. hey thats the NBA.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.

by SoulEater7 on Jan 6, 2010 11:26 AM CST reply actions  

I wonder though

If Tyrus gets his role back if he will play team ball again….I have a suspicion he will as he did last year (less so in the Boston series perhaps though)…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Was anyone else embarrassed for Stacey

As he stubbornly kept trying to argue that out of bounds call against Rose in the final moments even though it was clearly off Rose and still somehow got reversed.

by chlutz508 on Jan 6, 2010 11:26 AM CST reply actions  

If they replayed every block in the NBA, you would see the same result in slow motion

I’ve always thought that most of the time someone gets his shot blocked, he is the last one who touched it. Just happens that the man blocking it forced it out.

But they always give that call to the player who gets blocked so I felt the way Stacey felt

by Option27 on Jan 6, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

good call

the camera angle they showed was bad, and in slo mo it distorts physics of play, but his momentum with the ball was going toward basket and Diaw forced it out of bounds.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

The angle was terrible, Rose’s hand was bringing the ball up so that it would have gone back towards him….the ball was hit the exact opposite way out of bounds…you could see in the angle where Rose’s hand was and it was trailing back (toward the rim at a totally opposite angle).

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I was not totally embarassed

The ball may have been off of Rose, but the reason it was is because Rose got his whole hand whacked from behind. It was off Rose because the defender hit Rose’s hand! They reversed it because they missed the foul, which is what should have been done in the first place.

by DRose01 on Jan 6, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Our SG's

Wow, if they can pull of just one trade to get rid of Hinrich or Salmons, this season might be well worth it

by Option27 on Jan 6, 2010 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

It is so obvious

if we had a bonafide outside threat what a difference it would make.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Last 11 games Kirk is 17-37(46%) on 3’s. On the other hand he’s 26-67(39%) on 2’s. The trouble with Hinrich as a jumpshooter is that he doesn’t get more accurate as he gets closer to the hoop. A 15 footer is the same as a 23 footer for him in terms of his accuracy. I have no idea why this is, but it’s more or less always been the case with him. If he would simply fire up any open 3 that the defense gives him he could be the outside threat they need(for now).

by kingles on Jan 6, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Missing open 15 footers will hurt your confidence. Missing an open 3 isn’t as damaging.

by kingles on Jan 6, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

you talkin about the captain

his value is falling fast, he might not be movable

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he still has a lot of value around the league

His contract isn’t ridiculous, just a bit lengthy. But teams still value his grit and “thrust”.

I just think he’s more valued by teams who have those 3 year windows and need someone with his energy.

by Option27 on Jan 6, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

They love

his D, intangibles, scrappiness

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

All that jazz

Hey, speaking of Jazz . . . hmmm

by Option27 on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of value falling

Another reason Tyrus should be playing major minutes is to increase any of the value the man has left.

If 2010 is such a wash, you might as well give minutes to those “assets” you intend to use

by Option27 on Jan 6, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I dont really have a major problem with the min people are getting though...

I mean, the rotation is SHORT, really only playing 8 people (with JJ getting a few min here and there bc managment demands it’s prize draft pick have an opportunity to develop). VDN doesn’t play Gray, Pargo or Hunter, which is perfectly fine with me. And we can make the same argument above for Salmons (so that he doesn’t opt-out), and Kirk (so that we can trade him for something.) If you don’t play Taj, he won’t develop, so you have to give him some min, and he gets in so much foul trouble he’s not going to get a ton of min every night.

Tyrus played ALOT the first few games he was back when he was being very production in all facets of his game. Even though he didn’t start, he played the majority of the game and was in to close them out. Then he stopped playing smart basketball the last 3 games and it’s been downhill from there. He’s in control of his own PT, and unfortunately he sabotages himself every damn time.

by smash! on Jan 6, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

One of the reasons management don't want to move him

Is because they front loaded his contract so much. Each year from now he becomes better value for what he gives. It’ll also make him more and more tradable each year. You’ll get a much nicer piece for Kirk next year than you will this year. Of course, by that point it could be redundant anyway…

by LimeyBull on Jan 6, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

That's ridiculous.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree.....His contract is unmovable.

Hinrick performance has been declining since he signed that contract. He is only worth half his salary now. Next year he may only be worth a third of his salary.

by sadafan on Jan 6, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly, G-State might

want Tyrus, I would love to get Anthony Randolph back

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 11:41 AM CST reply actions  

They both have similar potential

I don’t see it happening. It’s clear that both teams want instant impact players.

by Option27 on Jan 6, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Bulls Mgmt. Intentions

Never have I ever been so confused about a franchises direction as this, what are we doing, what kinda team do you want to be.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

Really...?

I thought this one was obvious…holding pattern this year, make a big splash in free agency next summer.

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 6, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

fishies?

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Jan 6, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I never blame games on refs but this was truly one of the most terribly officiated professional sporting events...

I have ever seen. So many calls, so many bad calls, so many inconsistencies…it was just unbearable to watch.

by smash! on Jan 6, 2010 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

Refs on the take

Things that make you go ummmmmmm

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

So who can make the best MJ joke with this material?

Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 6, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

My guess is Leon Wood lost the Monday night strip poker game at MJ's crib

but forgot he wasn’t wearing undies. Had to make it up to him on Tuesday.

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 6, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What a crowd

That stadium looked really bare.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

is that the point of this blog

I could keep it to myself it don’t matter

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

That will be Matt

lol ;)

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Jan 6, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

as a matter of fact yes

you can call me officer Hooker, officer TJ Hooker

by Jack M on Jan 6, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

thought about that post

when I wrote it I wish I could have taken it back, like some of the others, but a lot of times I just read the blog, but for some reason today I felt like bloggin. But I don’t want to be muzzled, but for now I’ll go back to just reading.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Last night was hard to watch...

sometimes it seems like no one other than D-Rose knows anything about basketball on this team. Even Kurt, Mr. Coach’s Son, does stupid stuff all the time. But even worse than stupidity, was the inability to make open shots. These are professional basketball players — and most of them are supposed to use jump shots as their bread and butter. How does BG leaving affect EVERYONE’S shooting percentage?

I think we just have a bunch of mental weaklings on this team with fragile psyches (aside from Rose and Noah at least).

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 6, 2010 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

very sad

NBA player should make 10-20 ft shot when open without struggle.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Was that yesterday

Where Kirk forced a horrible pass on the break that was easily stolen….that was TERRIBLE that might have been against OKC the night before though, but that caused a swing…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Outside threat

you cannot be one dimensional in the pro game, if you are that you are dead.

by sugarbear06 on Jan 6, 2010 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

You don't want one dimensional

players, but their are plenty in the league.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The league is becoming superstars and one-dimensional players.

Great defense, 3-pt shooting, ball-handling/distributing, rebounding, etc. Although, that might be changing now with statistical evolutions. Guys like Battier, Deng and Noah might be getting more recognition even though they don’t seem to stand out at any one thing or are overall star players.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Noah stands out as a rebounder

Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls

by bigballa10 on Jan 6, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Battier

Stands out as a defender…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Aaron Gray's

one dimension is keeping the bench warm

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

JR Smith

Instant offense, poor defense, poor rebounding. That’s relatively one dimensional and I’d take him.

by DRose01 on Jan 6, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

His dimension

gets you a ton of buckets, and I was pissed when the Bulls just gave him away for a 2nd round pick, we should’ve kept him, or we easily could’ve got a 1st round pick for him

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

The last sentence pretty much wraps it up:
At the very least, let him do it.

Also, why does it always take three quarters of bad team ball for Derrick to put on his superman cape and try to save the team? I’m not gonna assign blame to either he or Vinny, as they’re both likely at fault for his long spurts of ineffectiveness. It’s just ridiculous that he can score so easily yet does so rarely.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.

by dakoose on Jan 6, 2010 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

Man that was the

Ugliest most boring relatively high scoring kept within 6-8 pts much of the night game I have ever seen. Neither team really truely played all that hard on either end. Bulls looked indifferent—even Rose until there was 8 minutes left and Vinny (finally) put Rose back in.

The refs made things worse, calling horrible ticky tack fouls all night on both sides to a degree, but overall seemingly far favoring Charlotte there….but man it seemed like there was no flow to the game at all because every 3rd play was a foul….

And save for like 3 nice Rose plays and the first wave of Tyrus early, there was really nothing to watch that one for….Tyrus opened up the game well, then reverted back to Tyrus….a shame really….

I might need me another break. I know this game was close and well had Harden not gotten hot the other game could have been the other way around….but man yesterday’s game was so pathetically boring,,,,and yet it’s probably only a handful of times that we scored over 100 pts….(I know we were stuck at 1 forever, but cant’ remember, was that only the 2nd time thought).

….THE MOST INTERESTING THING I SAW THOUGH….was that Vinny got his first techical. It was odd because just on a post here yesterday someone said he never had a technical before, and I don’t even recall that being really focused on (probably was), but that was eerily strange…

Boring game, boring team, sadly I don’t much like my Bulls right now (though I still like some of the players)….

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

6.Lobby

for management to pull the trigger on a Kirk trade.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 6, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Exactly….

I actually heard Vinny say Kirk the other night (OKC maybe) after the game….

I like the first point the most, if we’re going to do nothing but pick and roll, let’s use our best 2 O players (Rose obv and Deng)…

Have Noah hang around the post more for his length and lobs, keep Salmons in as the other shooter, and use TYRUS.

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

derrick looked exhausted by the last 5 mins of the game.

maybe some of his legs could have been saved if VDN put hinrich on felton and rose on flip since he then wouldnt have to fight through picks every possession.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Jan 6, 2010 12:59 PM CST reply actions  

The thing that pissed me off the most was when Gibson fouled out,

and VDN put in Hinrich instead of Tyrus. Hinrich missed two shots in the last 1:43.

by benhertz on Jan 6, 2010 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

yeah!

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.

by SoulEater7 on Jan 6, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Vinny D, ReinPaxDorf, Heinrich, Salmons, Deng Need to go!!!!

I read more passion about this team on this blog than what was ever spewed from the lips of the organization. A friend of mine hoped the Bulls wouldn’t draft Rose because he thought the organization would destroy his game. They’re doing a good job at that succeeding at making him an offensive PG in the vein of Marbury and Iverson instead of being a task master like Billups. The team is comprised of BUMS and they expect fans to but into the hype. They used Gordon up and never respected his game enough to make him feel welcomed. If I were him I’d be pissed too, knowing that you’re playing hard ball with me contarcually while giving away too many millions to a guy that I murder in practice. The biggest facade is Kirk being this leader and having intangibles; let’s face it this guy sucks and isn’t a leader. If he were a leader he would recognize that Derrick is a better player and give him the ball in clutch situations, rally the team and drop his EGO. Deng is a joke too, everything said about Kirk insert for Deng. I’ll watch this train wreck from afar and laugh when the infamous 2010 Summer passes us buy like T Mac did in years past.

Oh Yeah John (Overrated Journalist) Jackson and KC (Writes with Kid Gloves) Johnson are jokes too. I know KC tries to maintain a decorum with the team because he works with them on a daily basis but a little bit more feet to the fire would be nice. As for a John since he stopped writing love articles about M.J., Lakers, Kobe Shaq, D Wade he’s been mailing it in. Why do teh daily rags run these articles, they’re a waste of time, energy, space and ink.

who gone bring the game back/
who gone spit that Ramo on the train tracks/
that gold rope, that 5 finger ring rap/
runnin with my same pack/

Jay Electronica

by EngleWood's Finest on Jan 6, 2010 5:01 PM CST reply actions  

Great summary!!!!!

The rot starts at the head of the fish.

by sadafan on Jan 6, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Noah would disagree

wth you that Kirk is not a leader. Kirk also does not come across as someone who has an ego.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

he also smells really nice

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'll take your word for it. :-P

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Jan 7, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Kirk's Ego comes through with "It's my turn jumps" shots that don't fall.

who gone bring the game back/
who gone spit that Ramo on the train tracks/
that gold rope, that 5 finger ring rap/
runnin with my same pack/

Jay Electronica

by EngleWood's Finest on Jan 7, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Jan 7, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought the play that kinda did the Bulls in, in the 4th was the charge on Rose.

It was a flop and would have been and 1. The refs probably got paid off but MJ though.(bite me) Last two teams are getting Kobe and Lebron treatment on the Bulls. Still you gotta come out and win the quarters. Just not enough sense of urgency with this team.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.

by SoulEater7 on Jan 6, 2010 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

Vinny IS our 2010 free agent!

Hurray! Renew the contract!

Step 1: Hire a guy who has never coached and let your 2nd best player go for nothing
Step 2: Realize no free agent will play with your coach even while clearing salary giving your fans hope of a 2010 bonanza free agent(s) signing
Step 3: PROFIT!

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jan 6, 2010 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

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Al Iannazzone (Nets)

For the Statheads:
Basketball-Reference.com
APBR Discussion
Knickerblogger's Stat Page
82Games.com
Doug's Stats
Popcorn Machine
HoopData


Other Resources:

HoopsHype Salaries
SportsTwo Salaries
ESPN.com Trade Machine
RealGM: NBA Draftpicks Owed
ShamSports.com Salaries
DraftExpress

 


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