This road to mediocrity less boring with this Rose
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2010 10:11 PM CST
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PrintThe big story* coming out of the Bulls win against Orlando is the sudden willingness of Derrick Rose to attack the rim and draw fouls. He's had 26 FTAs in the past three games, and it's had a measured difference in his efficiency, with a TS% over 55%, downright respectable given the company he usually keeps in that stat category.
With 3-point range looking nowhere close to happening, getting fouled is the best way for Rose to get better on the offensive end, and while Rose is saying the right things in terms of his mindset, he's said them before. He's doing it now.
And it really changes the way to watch Bulls games if he is truly taking over the team. It not only makes the team better, but less boring, bringing the offense up just enough to where (now with a full squad) their defense can help keep games close. I figured with Orlando playing the night before, Saturday night's contest would be perhaps competitive, but it felt even better than that: the Bulls looked downright good against great opposition.
Though Orlando notoriously lets point guards thrive, and the other two opponents are just bad, it's still encouraging. So let's see if it holds up in the next game, the Thunder are in the top half of the league in fouling rate, but Russell Westbrook at least has the athletic gifts to match up well with Rose.
The opposition shouldn't matter, really. Rose has a physical advantage over nearly everyone at his position, that's what makes him special and stuff. It looked like a mental hesitation (the ankle excuse had to be gone in week three, from where this non-doctor sits) more than anything, and if something has clicked it'll be interesting to watch how high he can carry this team, though one that doesn't quite fit him offensively and will never actually be efficient. But at least less agonizing to watch?
*[Tyrus getting 15 minutes and sitting the last 11 of the game is not really news, nor unexpected. VDN doesn't trust him to let him play, nicely coinciding with the Org. not trusting him to commit financially long-term. I tried not to get excited over his nice first few games back, and I think it worked as I wasn't too bummed (more bemused) at the predictable benching. He'll continue to play at least significant minutes and hopefully he'll contribute instead of sulk, and gets his opportunity elsewhere. For this year, he's the wild one (yes, the leaning jumpers are 'bad shots', but every jumper that doesn't go in is bad to Neil and Stacy, and overall the good outweighs the bad) and Taj is 'just short of brilliant', and that's the way it is for an Org. that hates talent.]
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Derrick's aggressiveness of late has definitely been a huge key for the team.
And I hope to see him continue this recent assertive play on the offensive end. Nick Friedell put out an article tonight with some great quotes from Derrick:
“Usually you got to try weird shots or throw up awkward shots just to get your shot off and that’s what I got caught up into doing. But in the NBA it’s totally different. You got to find body contact. And that’s what I’m doing right now, just trying to go in there and seek bodies.”
and
“I’m definitely getting used to it,” he said of the new approach. “I was never scared of the contact. I was just always stuck in that mode where I always had to avoid contact, so right now I’m just getting more comfortable.”
It seems like Vinny has done a pretty good job of helping Derrick realize this, so credit to him. If the light has really gone one for Derrick like it appears, this season might have actually taken a positive turn for the duration. It’s a whole lot of fun when your potential star is busting out right in front of your eyes. Honestly, after the beginning of the season, I was worried how long it would take Derrick to actually “get it,” but it appears that he’s grasping things (his overall importance to the team and, more specifically, the importance of getting to the line) quicker than most of us would have imagined. And damn, it’s exciting to watch. It’s nice that the days of BaB lusting for Brandon Jennings and Russell Westbrook are finally over, and rightfully so. Derrick is the real deal, and if he can ever learn to shoot threes, he can truly become an offensive superstar in this league. The sky is the limit; let’s hope he can reach it.
very similar article
by KC on the trib website, with the same quotes and all here.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
how does he not know that about drawing contact?
Well I’m glad he’s learning. Derrick Attack!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
its an interesting question. and why would he learn just now? was he being lectured earlier
but it didnt take? has vinny only now started teaching him this when he realized his team would have no other way of even competing offensively? did derrick reach a point where he felt he had to change his game or resign himself to loosing a lot? derricks awesomeness makes these questions less important but they are somewhat interesting.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
No one has accused him of the being the sharpest...umm...
tool in the shed…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
To be fair...
didn’t we just watch a season and a quarter of ‘no-calls’ against him, and faux offensive fouls, that everyone writes off to rookie treatment in the NBA?
I believe that the degree to which any player ‘gets it’ is partially determined by the treatment they get by the refs when they do what they do…
It has taken the refs a year to allow him a trip to the line on his drives to the hoop – had it happened sooner, the aha moment would have followed sooner, IMHO.
The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan
by Envy on Jan 4, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
If you get a turn-around jumper blocked three times in a row, you better find another way to score. If Rose was getting fouled and missing, he shot from where they couldn’t foul him.
by El Toro de Goro on Jan 4, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
meh
Westbrook and other rookies got plenty of FTA attempts despite being less heralded, in lesser markets and lesser players. Why?
Rose himself admits the change. Why dispute that?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
no dispute...
…on his change of philosophy and strategy.
I’m just saying that there were many occasions when he drove to the hole and came up empty, when all involved knew that a foul should have been called.
Why less ‘heralded’ players didn’t get the same treatment – ask the refs!
I just see Rose seeming to get the benefit of the doubt on SOME calls lately, that he didn’t seem to get before. Why dispute that?
The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan
Derrick might've been on the right track
I thought of this quote from Michael Lewis’ nyt Shane Battier article:
For instance, is it a coincidence that many of the things a player does in white basketball to prove his character — take a charge, scramble for a loose ball — are more pleasantly done on a polished wooden floor than they are on inner-city asphalt?
Just a guess, but what impresses scouts more: getting to the lane, drawing contact and getting two free throws, or getting to the lane, avoiding contact, contorting your body, and finishing a layup in traffic. For at least the last five years and probably longer, a big priority in Derrick’s play was impressing scouts, and he did that better than anybody his age. That no longer matters.
Also, when you’re in the discussion for best in the world at getting to the rim and finishing, it’s probably not easy to figure out that partially scrapping that talent in order to draw more contact from ripped 6’10" he-men is a better route.
by YaoPau on Jan 4, 2010 2:18 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
i like that last line
cuz i can imagine innocent derrick coming to the conclusion that hes gonna have to get hit by those dudes that are way stronger than him… “aw man…mumble”
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Scotter said that long ago.
Along with many others. With Rose, it was ability to finish so well, that, since he could get the shot off and still finish, why draw the contact?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think its this PLUS
The hardest transition from playground/high school-to-college-to-NBA is the evolution of “contact.”
My whole life I’ve been avoiding contact because on the playgrounds, you’re not going to get calls," Rose said Sunday. "I’d always find a way where if I do get fouled, I’m still hitting the layup. Usually, you have to try weird shots or throw up awkward shots just to get your shot off. That’s what I got caught up into doing.
Derrick’s right….on the playground, the notion of seeking contact for the sake of drawing fouls doesn’t exist. In high school and college, I believe (have no definitive proof) seeking contact would result in more offensive fouls than the pro game, given Derrick’s obvious physical advantages and the resulting defensive strategies to combat it.
In the pro game, I don’t think people realize the “paradigm” shift required with respect to drawing contact. If you re-watch Derrick’s “drawing contact” fouls, he’s essentially committing to shooting before the foul is actually called. If a foul isn’t called, its going to appear as if he’s taking a bad/forced shot. I believe this is the reason his FGA will stay high the rest of the season. As an example, I remember Derrick shooting what looked like a turnaround fade-away against BG the other day and upon re-watching it, I think Derrick shot the ball b/c he got nudged by BG and tried to force a call.
The takeway: “Seeking Contact or Drawing Fouls” will often mean shooting and trusting that a foul will be called.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Jan 4, 2010 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The NBA begs superstars to draw contact
Elite players that score get to the line almost whenever they want.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 4, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
But I guess the question is...
why? It makes for much more boring basketball and isn’t as fair with respect to true talent.. just about everyone in the NBA can make 3 out of 4 free throws..
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 4, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
It's free points for the player
It slows the game so the broadcasters can plaster the screen with ads, they can get sideline snippets from the third reporter, and it is primary face time with the superstar.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 4, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Those were all excellent points/reasons
Thank you Mr. NBA Observer.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 4, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
actually yea
im reccing that…its so sad that everything really is about money….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
but not everyone can get to the line 7-10 times a game. thats a talent.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
True
Drose has to do both. If he can’t get a clean look, seek contact. Yell and flail your arms.
Its a constant process as he ’s attacking. Can I get this shot off? Should I lean this way or that? Let me jump around this bitch in front of me.
Has he ever gotten a tech?
Wade screams and flails, but the guy knows how to take a WWE fall better than anyone in the league
Rose on the other hand is cat. He almost never falls. Might be more street ball knowledge since falling on pavement really sucks.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 4, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
He pays for it, doesn't he?
He’s been injured a whole bunch of times, and I’d put my money on a quicker decline than Lebron or Melo. He’s also thicker than damn near any other guard in the league, so his joints probably take a lot of punishment as well.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Also; re: Monday against OC
how deng will do against Durant
Durant will score 25 points, albeit at a lower than his average shooting percentage.
Everyone will cry that Durant scored soooo many points on Deng, ignoring the fact that Durant scores 25 on just about everybody.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
and then Deng sprouts female anatomy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
If he scores 25 against Deng
I consider that a success for Deng….it would be nice if Deng scores 20 on him and mostly washes it out.
Durant scores 29 on everybody….so getting him to score 14% less and hopefully having Rose outplay Westbrook would equal #5 in a row….but Deng has the biggest task.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I'm more concerned with how Hinrich/Salmons and the frontcourt fare.
Durant is going to get his, I don’t want to see freaking Thabo embarrass Kirk or Harden outplay Salmons. And Green+Kristic is a pretty underrated combo.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 4, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
James Harden is going to smoke us off the dribble
Just rebound and we’ll win.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 4, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
What?
Harden can’t smoke me off the dribble, let alone our stopper Kurt.
Really?
Dude’s got an excellent first step and an assortment of moves.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
He looks slow to me
I agree with the assortment of moves. But I watched him in the Pac-10 tourney and he had trouble getting to the rim. His 36.2 FG% on close shots this year supports that, though I haven’t gotten to watch much of him in the NBA to know for sure if that’s still an issue.
I've only watched OKC once this season,
and I don’t remember who they played against, but in that game Harden didn’t have much trouble getting to the hoop. Overall, he isn’t fast, so I agree with you about him being a little slow. However, his first step looked really quick to me.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Overall, he actually is fast.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Some of those numbers are a bit questionable.
James Johnson @ 12% body fat. If that’s true than I’m Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Really?
The guy was 6’7", 257 lbs. You think that’s too low, I hope? The guy is chubby.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It's absolutely too low.
I’m pretty knowledgeable with body fat measurements, as I’ve been around weight lifting for several years and spent a year of college in the PE department. No way in hell JJ is 12 percent BF. He’s probably in the mid to high teens. Either those numbers were made up or they used some shitty device. No way a bod pod has JJ at 12%.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
I dunno.
I was 6’1 1/2", 247 as a freshman when the Nebraska football team measured me at 10.5%. No one believed it. I have always had a stomach that stuck out, a flabby chest, non-defined arms and no fat at all on my legs. Most on the team (guys who were the same size as me and had as much experience as you) thought I was 14-15%.
The guy is a great athlete for his height/weight combo, you have no idea what his core is built like. You might assume his stomach/hip/thigh area is fat because they’re big and his arms and face look fat, but it might be big and solid with muscle. Fat is not distributed evenly across the body.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
What were you measured with?
JJ has flabby arms, a fat chest, a chunky face and fat looking lower legs. I’d bet good money that when he gets in a bod pod the measurement is significantly north of 12 percent. Genreally, at ~12%, a slight six pack should be visible. JJ definitely is strong, but he’s fat too.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Anyways!
I can’t wait for this game! I might even record it for the first time this season. Last game I recorded was game 1. This one looks like a barn burner.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
but every jumper that doesn’t go in is bad to Neil and Stacy, and overall the good outweighs the bad) and Taj is ‘just short of brilliant’, and that’s the way it is for an Org. that hates talent.
Neil and Stacey can be annoying as fuck with that. Although I really don’t understand why Taj has to constantly get ripped on here even if his minutes are coming at the expense of Tyrus (not saying you’re doing this necessarily).
It is obvious that Tyrus is the better player and has far more athletic gifts, but Taj has been pretty damn impressive so far considering where we got him in the draft. He’s kinda growing on me and I hope he doesn’t get a bad rap because the decisions of people in charge.
Vinny Del OH NO!
Taj
Can’t really board and has lots of trouble on D against anyone has size or bigger….and there are a lot of PFs his size or bigger. Orlando is an awesome matchup for him in that they only have Howard inside and he doesn’t have to guard Howard.
by hitlesswonder on Jan 4, 2010 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
he did to a commendable job guarding their shooting 4s on the 3 point line
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
so so
Lewis sucked, but Barnes and Anderson were clicking. Seemed like most of their shots were wide open look.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 4, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Barnes was Deng's man, Anderson was in the game mostly against Tyrus.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 4, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
And Orlando is a bad matchup for Tyrus
Because Tyrus tends to wallow around the paint and forget to guard the PF’s that can shoot 3’s…..
I do think it’s annoying that there is this Taj hate…I mean I know Tyrus is far better, but Taj is good for a rookie…and should be a nice 25 minutes off the bench PF for years to come, which is solid….it’s just that Tyrus is a 35 MPG starter now still with room to improve….that’s frustrating.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
And that this is Ty's 4th year.
And he seems to be making the same mistakes over and over. I blame him and VDN’s dumbass.
Don't blame VDN
I don’t recall Skiles really getting anything consistent out of Tyrus eitehr.
Thomas is very good, underrated by Bulls fans big time. He’ll blow up when he gets the pt he’s deserved for 2 years….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Skiles did, too.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Skiles
gave Tyrus much less pt than VDN. He’d pull Ty if he shot a jumper or made a turnover. He also tried very hard to get Ty to play with his back to the basket.
One of VDN’s biggest changes was to let Ty play through his mistakes and shoot jumpers. The next trick is to convince Tyrus not to shoot them all the time.
by El Toro de Goro on Jan 4, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Thomas was a rookie on a team with solid rotation and playoff bound...
…with Skiles. He was an established player when Del Negro came. Relatively speaking, Skiles let Thomas play way more than Del Negro has.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
"way more"?
I understand the Bulls were presumed contenders in 2007, but on a team lacking in athleticism, Skiles played his freakish 20 year old #2 pick a total of 551 minutes through March 1st of Tyrus’s rookie year, for an average of 9.2mpg, putting him about equal in minutes to Malik Allen and Mike Sweetney. I can’t think of a single college draftee that sat like Tyrus did for the majority of his rookie season and then developed into a star.
Year 2, Tyrus was the opening day starter and averaged 32mpg through 4 games. Then Skiles doghoused him, and Tyrus played just 11.8mpg in the next 23 games (with 4 DNP-coaches decisions) before Skiles got fired.
On the other hand, Vinny’s started Tyrus 64 times in 87 games, giving him 27mpg. I kinda think VDN is the one who gave Tyrus a chance after Skiles fucked him up.
by YaoPau on Jan 4, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
27mpg is legit playing time
Tyrus played more minutes per game than Hinrich, Noah, and Nocioni last year. I take issue with the way VDN has developed Tyrus (jumpshots > post game), but considering VDN was a 1st year coach on a presumably playoff bound team, with Drew Gooden as his only established inside player early on, I think he did a really commendable job giving Tyrus (and Noah) their minutes.
Skiles
For a season got Tyrus to use his energy in spot minutes, but we only got him as a near the rim put back guy then, which worked mostly cuz he was a rook on limited minutes off of the scouting report….
I like Tyrus, but his game has changed since then….granted I’d like him to do more of what we had him do then, but so be it, he can do a lot more other things too, if he puts all that together, that’s something….
That pass the other day on the break against the Magic has me excited to see Tyrus sit another 25 minutes on our bench LOL….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I mean
Ty’s doesn’t seem to get it on offense thats on him and the coaching. On defense he’s nice.
When he came back from his injury he looked like a real basketball player instead of an atheletic beast. He seems to actually use his head and his strengths.
But against the magic he was shooting jumpers, and when they are off he was still shooting jumpers even in some cases in someones face instead of just going inside and play to his strengths which is going to the paint it’s just common sense. I blame that on him and some of the coaching.
Now don’t say that “you have a problem with Tyrus taking bad shots but you don’t have a problem with Miller and Taj taking bad shots?”
Ok Miller is a much better shooter than Tyrus (even though he is doing badly this year) he has a career of making midrange to 3 point shots. It’s ok for Tyrus to take the jumper every now and then but not the whole game. Taj for a rookie is doing ok except for the fouls (which rookie big men usually struggle in i.e Greg Oden) He is better on the bench but I at least see him post up every now and then (at least hes posting up) as for his jumpshot I wouldn’t mind him taking the 10 to 15 footer ONLY if it’s open. But Taj as least do go into the post while I just see Tyrus comming off a screen instead of just taking it closer and go for the hoop with his speed it would be eaiser than a 20 footer that he (on an off day) would miss. For years Tyrus has been doing this with all that potential it’s just very frustrating.
Tyrus
Has been a real basketball player since mid Dec or Jan of last season….
He just got hurt in the preseason and again after game 3 or whatever this year…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
A less athletic Ho Grant?
His rebounding numbers are also fine. I don’t see where he can’t rebound. Plus Noah gobbles alot of the boards too
Sam Smith called him 'just short of brilliant'!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
I'll translate for him
“troll troll troll troll”
"Hi I'm from Celtics Blog and since I started following basketball in 2008 my opinions are often stupid and invalid."
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 4, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
I'm on to you...
Trying to plant that seed already, huh, Gar?
by lilzaky on Jan 4, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be impressed if the Bulls can beat OKC.
Durant is ridiculous.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jan 4, 2010 12:30 PM CST reply actions
plus that would mean FIVE wins in a row.
…which doesn’t happen very often.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jan 4, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Spank OCK?
I don’t see it. They have much more talent, we got more hustle. It should be a good game.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
buy spank I meant double digit win
I think we own them inside.
And I like Rose and Deng to neutralize Durant and Westbrook.
I'd take a win
I doubt we’ll spank and worry it might go the otehr way around….
Westbrook is at Rose’s level (Rose has more upside, Westbrook has played a shade better so far this year…
Durant is better than either.
Jeff Green typically blows, but that’s somewhat because he’s a 3….he’s ok, but not for Ray Allen, even old man Ray….
Thabo’s in a perfect team, one that doesn’t need him for anything on O…and NEEDS his D.
Still we could get blown out of this one, because KD is that electric.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Rose has been considerably better than Westbrook
since he regained his health.
by Super-Structure on Jan 4, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
But 5-8 games aren’t enough to discount the first x games…..that’s why I said all year….
Rose has been brilliant of late though…and Westbrook is at the full year Rose we’ve seen level….I hope current Rose keeps this up…but need a few more games….before it’s 100% expected….still I loved that 1 on 4 play where Derrick was about to score before the hard hack foul—and loved how Barnes said (shown on TV) that wasn’t a foul afterwards….gotta love the NBA sometimes.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
It has been more like 13 games...
and Westbrook is a really awful shooter and benefits from having Kevin Durant.
by Super-Structure on Jan 4, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
That might be true
But you have to focus on him….
I’m not arguing Rose is worse than Westbrook, but so far this year they’ve been neutral, with Rose breaking out it’s changing a bit, though I need more time before I say that’s 100% guaranteed.
I’m shocked at how poor Westbrook’s shot is though, i hadn’t noticed that before, just saw in fantasy and in PER his numbers are good….and seen him on some highlight reels and the occasional game on TV (1-2 games)…
I do think 13 games is a bit much, but what do I know…I could be wrong, regardless I’ve been happy with Rose of late.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I was shocked too
I thought he got a lot of layups, so thought his fg% was higher.
I have watched Westbrook a couple times this year...
there is no question he is excellent, but he doesn’t have half of the offensive repertoire as Rose; though you are completely right, so far this year the differences between them statistically is negligible. That said, Rose is gonna beat it up tonight.
by Super-Structure on Jan 4, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
I hope so
Man I thought the game was tomorrow…I CAN’T WAIT! if it’s tonight.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Westbrook is at Roses level?
I don’t think so.
Westbrook is shooting 39% and has more TO’s.
I don't know how PER is calculated,
but how does Westbrook have as a high of a PER as he does with such a piss poor shooting percentage?
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
After drinking the remaining Kool-Aid left over from the Bulls announcers stash, Sam Smith gushed that Taj was "JUST SHORT OF BRILLIANT"
Yes, Taj had a nice game but defining it in that fashion, to me, is like saying Mini Me is just short of Yao Ming when they pair up for commericials. But first let me give him the kudos he deserved after that stunning performance.
Taj’s defensive efforts were on display as he recorded 3 blocks in 33 minutes of action. This was truly impressive, especially since his total blocks in his previous 5 games totaled zero and this also equalled TT’s 3 blocks in his 2nd game back from almost a 7 week layoff.
Gibson, who had struggled early in the year with hitting free throws, was 2 for 2 against Orlando. His improved accuracy from the charity stripe has resulted in making 9 of 14 over his last 9 games, thus tieing Tyrus’s 14 attempts in 28 minutes in his 3rd game back, although Thomas converted on 11.
Taj was a monster on the boards, hustling and grabbing 12 rebounds against the Magic, just 3 short of the 15 pulled down by Tyrus in his 2nd game back.
Gibson’s uncanny ability to read the passing lanes has enabled him to get 4 steals in his last 9 games, just one short of the struggling Thomas who has 5 off the bench since he returned 4 games ago, likely a statistical abberation caused by Tyrus being out of position and winding up lucky enough to accidently be in the path of the ball.
Taj’s 4th quarter putback was very impressive since it was the main topic of conversation among our local media outside of Rose’s amazing game, one of two shots made in his last 9 attempts. As a sidenote, his increbile, stellar defense in the final quarter kept Orlanda from overtaking the Bulls as their lead shrunk from 15 to 3 in the final 5 minutes before Rose came riding to the rescue.
Gibson’s offense was once again on display as he racked up 10 points and a double-double. It was short of his season’s 2 previous offensive explosions over 31 games, being 18 and 20 points, which incidentally in each instance, is just one point short of Thomas’s 19 and 21 he has scored coming off the bench in the 4 games since his return.
No wonder Vinny chooses Gibson over Tyrus. The stats speak for themselves. As an admitted Thomas synchopant, I guess I should stop my rants, because they are starting to make me look foolish when looking at the facts.
I really am pleased with Taj’s overall hustle and smarts but I’m just not quite ready to nominate him for the Hall of Fame beside Bird and Malone, but than if the sportwriter’s are correct in their assesments, I guess it’ll be just a matter of time for someone “just short of brilliant” to enter that elite group.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Jan 4, 2010 1:06 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
seriously...
seconded
The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan
Think of all the Sam Smith columns with trade ideas
Think of how much time it takes to come up with that shit. Column after column of “Lebron and Kobe in LA”.
Sam’s got an answer for everything. Taj sucks? He’ll defend. Tyrus sucks. He’ll co-opt.
Sam is Jerry’s uberbitch now.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Which means
For a #26 pick we should really be happy….and would be happy if he wasn’t taking Tyrus’s spot.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
if only it were true.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
it is true...that's how he plays
He’s going to be a 12 and 8 guy for the next 10 years.
and he's getting better
Nov. 47% shooting 5.5 rebs
Dec. 54% shooting and 7 rebs
That's not hot for a 30 minute player.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I hope Noah turns into Olajuwon over the summer, because that's worse than Joe Smith.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 4, 2010 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Well I guess
He’s more like the 32 year old Joe Smith with the potential to be a 20 year old Joe Smith :)….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
i agree with your sentiment
i stated it in the begining of the season, i really do like taj and his game, but the organization is making it real hard to continue liking him.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
the taj "counter-love" is perplexing to me
the guy is okay, but Tyrus is way outperforming him. In 2 out of 4 games Tyrus has been back, he has been playing at a ridiculously high level. The Bulls are 4-0 since he has been back. But in the media, Taj gets all the credit. Man, this town is basketball-dumb.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 4, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome
awesome awesome awesome awesome
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 4, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Let's quote the relevant passage
“Taj Gibson, who was little short of brilliant, then blocked a drive by Jameer Nelson, and Luol Deng ran out on a pass from Rose and was fouled and made two free throws to give the Bulls some room and a 94-85 lead with 2:28 left.
A word about Gibson, who has to be the surprise of the rookie class, first among rookies in rebounding and second in blocks. He came up big in a tough game with Joakim Noah pushed around and in foul trouble against Dwight Howard. Noah played just 18 minutes and had nine points and five rebounds as Brad Miller came on in relief and did a nice job fouling Howard and helping hold Howard to nine points and 12 rebounds. Gibson bettered Howard in every statistical category as the Bulls outrebounded the Magic 54-48."
Tyrus name didn’t come up, and the only person Taj was being compared to in the column were other rookies for this year, and Howard for the night.
Nice comparison you wrote there, but no one is arguing that Taj is better than Tyrus, least of all Sam Smith who’s wrote that he would like the Bulls to try and keep Tyrus.
OK, he said Taj has to be "the surprise of the rookie class"
There are three guys drafted after him I’d still prefer (Buddinger, Blair, Pendergraph), and a variety of players who’ve vastly exceeded expectations drafted ahead of him (Evans, Lawson, Jennings, Casspi). So basically, it’s a bunch of hyperbole that doesn’t mean much.
it's a suprise he's competent.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 5, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
OK, Jaina, your wish is my command.
I hope I didn’t hurt Sam’s feelings because like myself, he apparently has a mancrush too, but it’s directed to a bald headed somewhat long in the truth rookie whose name shall go unmentioned because I am tired of reading about his brilliance and savvy. God, what would they say about him if he was actually half as good as the media portrays?
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should have read long in the tooth, not truth but maybe that was a Freudian slip.
since the articles about his incredibleness somewhat stretch the truth as well.
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Maybe he is THE TRUTH!
Paul Pierce ain’t got nothing on him.
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Did you hear that he brings his lunch pail and hard hat to work with him?
I always bring mine when I play basketball.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 4, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta store your PB+J somewhere.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
all i know is he plays with such poise for being such a young player...
what’s that? he’s almost 25? ah, who cares, POISE!
AND
Neil Funk told me Taj was our best defender.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 4, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
This game would've been a lot better to watch
if I didn’t have to listen to Neil and Stacey!!
Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls
I know
I just tried to stick it out this time. I can deal with Stacey but not Neil AND Stacey lol.
Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls
It's always in vogue to complain about the announcers because like we have never seen it here before.
and it never gets tiring.
Maybe we've had some sub par announcers before
but Neil Funk is really bad.
Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls
Break out the checkbook and bring back Jim Durham.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 4, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
I second that
He was (and still is) a great play by play guy.
Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls
DRose Eastern Conference Player of the Week!
Eastern Conference Finals here we come!
you do know that we're going to have to go through 2 of the 4..
Boston, Atlanta, Cleveland and Orlando..right?
But seriously, I'm joking
When have the playoffs always been the 1234 seeds to advance? its not inconceivable that the 3 or 4 seeds can lose.
I agree with that
but that wasn’t my point. He was trying to say that a regular season win is some sort of indicator in a 7 game playoff series which it does not. I guess there are exceptions like GS vs. Dallas but for the most part playing them in a 7 game series I give the Bulls a 0 percent chance to beat them.
That's not what I was saying
I said what I said. We beat 3 of those 4 teams this year.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
I guess I misunderstood
it looked like it was a response to my statement about having to play them in the playoffs..
i hope rose has made a leap of sorts, but i have to imagine it will be really hard for him
to keep this up; at some point teams will realize the bulls dont have any chance to score w/o rose and will aggressively try to get the ball out of his hands, letting kirk, john and lu beat them…if they can (n.b.— they probably cant).
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
There's a reason teams don't usually try to trap players far away from the basket
A successful pass means your team is now playing 4 on 3. Even the Bulls are going to win that one most of the time.
Plus, Rose’s speed, strength and passing ability makes it pretty hard to trap him.
ask the Boston Celtics last year
once he learns to split the double, lookout. Dunk city for TT, Noah, Deng, and yes Taj, too. He’s part of the core, damnit!
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