Bulls turn down Celtics 'spare parts' for Hinrich
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 29, 2010 7:19 PM CST
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There are still two titles to be won [before 2011-12], and certain teams will throw caution to the wind to win them," a team executive said. "If you're the Celtics, are you going to worry about your future? What you're probably going to focus on is the here and now."
That's why the Celtics made a run last month at acquiring Kirk Hinrich, who has three years (including this season) and $26.5 million left on his contract, an outlandish amount for someone who would be Boston's third guard. But he would have resolved all of Boston's backcourt issues while extending its defense, and so the Celtics considered offering spare parts for Hinrich before the Bulls decided they needed a high-quality player or draft pick in the exchange.
I can only assume those 'spare parts' were expiring, in which case this is a serious blunder from the Bulls standpoint. I'd clearly prefer to do the same deal with Salmons instead, but say Salmons still opts out and then him AND Hinrich's contracts are off the books? Pretty nice.
The obvious concern is team performance this season. But some of the parts aren't that terrible (of Tony Allen, Marquis Daniels, Eddie House, Shelden Williams...ok Scal is pretty awful) and if they could get the Celtics to only send the minimum necessary to get Hinrich, the Bulls could make other acquisitions and stay under the tax.
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At this point...
I think Hinrich is worth more than spare parts…the Bulls are 12-4 with a backcourt of Hinrich and Rose…while not the SG of the future, he has not been a bad option next to DRose…
Salmons for spare parts on the other hand…bring it on!
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 29, 2010 7:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
they need more of a big-picture mindset than a 4 game winning streak
they’re also 12-4 with Tyrus Thomas, and they’re gonna let him go. What about Brad Miller? he’s had a very good week. He’s gone too.
If they feel they can keep pushing Salmons and this Celtics deal will always be there, then fine. But we’ve heard for a year now that the Bulls couldn’t give away Hinrich for expirings, and now they have the chance but won’t because they’re playing a little better?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 29, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
To the contrary...
All I have heard reported is that the Bulls will not give away Kirk for expirings…at least that is what I took away from the failed deal with MN last year and this report…
I am in the camp that Hinrich for expirings should be the last deal the Bulls look for while shopping Salmons hard for expirings…if Salmons cannot be moved, then I would consider trading Kirk for expirings to insure max cap space next Summer..
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
actually there have been both stories
Depending on how Sam Smith wants to spin Hinrich’s good or bad play.
Despite what Kurt may be ‘worth’ in terms of talent, he’s overpaid for two more seasons so its foolish to be picky.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 29, 2010 8:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Salmons should be the 1st choice to deal for expirings. He’s much less valuable to the Bulls than Hinrich RIGHT NOW. If it is at all possible the Bulls should wait until after the season to deal Hinrich. He should be more valuable in a trade then(closer to end of contract, stats should be better, etc.). Since Tyrus doesn’t seem to be in their plans he could be dealt as well, but like Hinrich, he’s more valueable than Salmons(to the Bulls being competitive). Isn’t there some overpaid expiring stiff that we can move Salmons for out there???
Trading Hinrich after the season defeats the purpose of getting rid of money to sign a FA.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Jan 29, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn’t dealing Salmons give the Bulls enough space? I’m greedy, I want the Bulls to do well now, AND have room for a max FA. I did say “if at all possible”. If the Bulls can get enough space without dealing Hinrich during the season, and could sign Wade or JJ, then Hinrich is no longer very valueable to the Bulls. Meanwhile he may have more value to certain other teams for the reasons I mentioned above, and they could get a better deal. Perhaps they could use him to aquire some depth or something.
I'd also deal Salmons first
but I’m not sure I’d pass up an opportunity now assuming it’d be there at the deadline. Maybe it will be.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2010 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
That is true...
But he is an asset that can be used in a sign and trade for the Max FA.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Not THAT much of one where you wouldn't have to include Noah or Deng.
Not to Cleveland, Toronto or Miami.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I agree!
We need to find a permanent solution to our SG position this off-season and it would be a big plus to be able to sign 2 good players. To do that we need to move Hinrich and I think we should even do it for spar parts and a bag of chips if we can. He is very overpaid and to get expiring contracts in return would be great. I am not a Hinrich hater I am just one that prefers to have money next year and do not like overpaying a player that is not a part of our future plans due to his natural position.
The Dude Abides
I hope
we really get those bags of chips!!
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 3, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
YFBB, I agree. Good analysis on factors leading to win streak
Perfect Storm. Miller, Thomas, Deng, Rose, Salmons, all playing well at the same time. Who would have though.
Absolutely Baffling!!!
Yet, despite winning streak, I don’t think this team wins 20 games all year without Rose. Considering that, Hinrick, VDN and others should not be rewarded for riding another players coattails. Without Rose…I doubt backup Hinrick could avg 8 pts/gm. A competent GM would get rid of his garbage contract at any opportunity.
Forgot to add
Hinricks strengh is not the Bulls greatest weakness. His weakness IS the Bulls greatest weakness. A Shooting Guard to complement Rose penetration game.
Ummm...
Didn’t Hinrich (with an h) average around 15 PPG for 3-4 years before most of the nation had even heard of Rose? With Hinrich, we’re talking about a guy who, not very long ago, was selected as a member of the USA basketball team. Numerous people have referred to him as one of the best defenders in the world. I don’t see why his stock has fallen so dramatically. It’s not long he’s getting old or anything.
His getting paid 9 mill a year
and his not in the long term plans of the team in terms of being a starter
True
He is overpaid, but that’s the NBA for ya. I agree that he should be traded to free up cap room, but he’s still a solid player who I would consider to be an above-average starter at either guard position.
He has been in a slump since what 2006. He had one above average year, got paid and has been average or worse since then. His shooting is still streaky as hell and he isn’t getting away with his defensive tricks. His D was always just slightly above average.
Kirk is good and all but many overrated his skills for a while especially his D. 9 mill is just too much for a backup PG
he didnt have one above average year
since his rookie season he was above average, and he was consistant in everything he did, always getting better slightly. he basically topped off in 2006, in 2006 he basically became more efficient in everything he did, shooting, passing, and his defense…although i think his best defense actually came in 2005. he had a bad 2007, and as yfbb likes to remind everyone, it was really bad, last year he was injured most of the year, and when he came back, he was playing well, he played extremely well in the playoffs (although he had that horrid point blank layup brick…luckily we still won that game cuz of rose) especially on defense.
if u read anything about fantasy basketball before the 2007 started (and actulaly through the first quarter of that season) every magazine had hinrich as one of the top 15 pgs because he was extremely consistant in what he did for his entire career. Its fine if u wanna say hinrich isnt better than gordon, hinrich shouldnt be starting for this team, hinrich is a luxury the bulls dont need, hinrich has way too big of a contract…but to consider him to be a below average player is a stretch, to say he had one slightly above average season is a lie…if anything hinrich is a slightly above average player…for his career….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jan 31, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If hinrich was the last peice
I would love him to still play with the bulls….his what this club is all about…Hussle!! and doing everything to win and playing for the team
maybe i do this to soften the blow in my mind
but id like to think most people (MOST PEOPLe…there are exceptions of course) dont actually dislike hinrich the player, but hinrich the contract. That coupled with the fact that this “contract” even though logically should be discarded by the organization is almost “loved” is what gets people so upset about hinrich. If hinrich was making 7 million i think people wouldnt mind him on this team. Again i could be wrong, but from the people that post on this site, i think generally thats what i get…so people that like to come out of the woodworks saying hinrich is barely an average or not an above average player really get on my nerves…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I hate fans who love Kurt AND hate Gordon.
Lets see, able and willing to afford Kurt’s salary, needs a solid ball-handler and defender to play in the back court with a SG who initiates the offense, probably will win a title before Kurt retires, has expiring contracts including a serviceable PG to send back – HELLO LAKERS!
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 31, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'm at the point where I dislike his face
familiarity breeds contempt and all that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's just a symbol of organizational incompetence to me at this point. He should have been dealt
the day we drafted Rose. Or the day they decided they were going to draft Rose. It never should have come to this.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Jan 31, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
his value was pretty awful then
but then when his value was pretty high (after his end to last season as the 6th man) they didn’t trade him then either. And now his value is pretty high and I’m bombarded with print articles about his importance.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
In a nutshell.. well said
If only John Paxson didn’t have so many masturbation dreams of Kirk, the Bulls could have signed him to a more appropriate contract for what he brings to the game.
Therefore, it would be good to let him go and in two/three years reacquired him back. Then John Paxson can then revitalize his passion.
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I agree, Hinrick is slightly above average......
So how about taking a pay cut down to a slightly above average salary….
I would say he’s worth about 5 mil/yr. Not a dime more.
Hinrich has been in decline
for the past 3 seasons, sale him while teams still want him
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 1, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Here's some reading material for you
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=355363&src=150
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Hinrich is our starter...
In case you have not been watching games recently…and the Bulls have been playing well since he was moved into the starting lineup.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I've been watching, and who cares about "playing well".
This team isn’t going to win the title, maybe not even a playoff series. The goal should be to win a title and creating cap space to sign 2 max FA’s will get you their. Kirk wont.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jan 30, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
but not the difference between there and their
push
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
at least he knows that his name is Kirk
Not Kurt, or Hinrick. Jesus, there’s a lot of people on this board who don’t even know his name.
Vinny del Negro calls him "Kurt",
which is why it is used here on Blog a Bull.
Hope this helps.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 1, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
It does actually.
Getting to learn the inside jokes is a big part of hopping on board with a blogging community.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
I gotta disagree
Tony Allen, Shelden Williams and Marquis Daniels are pretty terrible.
Not to say that the Bulls shouldn’t have pulled the trigger, but none of those guys should see more than 5 minutes a night on a team that plans on winning
by darksmokepuncher on Jan 29, 2010 8:23 PM CST reply actions
5 minutes is a little extreme
still, I think if we make a trade for some combination of those guys and don’t do anything else, we can get ready to drop out of the playoffs.
by darksmokepuncher on Jan 29, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
I actually like Marquise Daniels, problem is he can't stay on the floor
Plus I don’t know how much financial relief he would bring. Doesn’t he have a pretty sizable contract for a player like him?
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 29, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
lol, oh, nevermind then
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 29, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
The biannual exception
Marquis Daniels or jannero pargo, pick one.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Bulls won't have the
Bi-annual exception because they used it this year for the 1-year deal. Well that, and they should be far enough under the cap where there exceptions aren’t available.
I know,
just pointing out that we got Pargo with our exception, and the Celtics got a player who is actually decent when he’s not injured. Pargo is injured when he isn’t injured.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
well they can get the ring-chasers, the Bulls can't.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
If we deal our players for expirings...
What do we do if a big name FA is only available via sign and trade?
say, "Well, damn, we missed that train last year when we let Gordon go."
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jan 30, 2010 6:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I must say, even I (of the "cautionary tale" post) would have done this deal.
With Marquis Daniels and Eddie House we get a versatile defender (Daniels) and a floor spacer (House). Also, each can play multiple positions. Yeah, I’d have done this trade. I’m thinking Salmons will have to opt out this summer, so we’d have had crazy cap space!
Also, as much as I absolutely detest him, even Scalabrine could be useful in small stints, as he can hit the 3 as well.
Kirk and Rhonda would be BFF
"What are you doing Dragic?!"
by Trey23 on Jan 29, 2010 11:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
or theyd kill each other...
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
maybe they'd both get better
in a classic case of one-upsmanship
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jan 31, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
This failure to make a move by the Bulls is dumb on so many levels. Ugh.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Jan 30, 2010 2:45 AM CST reply actions
Big picture, folks. Do you want to make 7th seed or have a better chance of making a team that at least could make the Eastern Conference Finals? Hinrich is playin a little better, but he’s still only been average. We keep turning down good deals. First we fucked up the Portland deal which was perfect. Now we turn down Boston’s deal which is still ok. Allen is a semi-useful player and Scal sucks but isn’t totally useless. We need all the cap space we can get. I think we could still make 8th seed without Kirk. Kirk at 9 mill is a luxury, he’s not a real starting SG, he’s just there because Salmons started the season so shitty.
Please let the man go, also I’m sure Kirk would like to go to a contender at this point in his career
by C Smoove on Jan 30, 2010 7:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
IMO, Hinrick is not a long term solution
Rose emergence is the chief reason this team is blossoming. NBA experts has adknowledge him with the all-star bid. Overpaid wannabe all-stars Kurt, Deng, VDN, and others have been riding his back. We now know the Bulls incompetent management have lucked into mediocrity by lottery. Get rid of the overpaid great white hope. The majority of Bulls fans shouldn’t have to suffer mediocrity because Hinrick fans like Hoosier type players. This is Rose team. Rose deserves better than a Hinrick. Get rid of the incompetent Management too. I fear they will pimp Rose like they did BG and others. This management would be satisfied with mediocrity=more profits for another decade.
Who is Kurt
And who is Hinrick?
Are you sure they didn’t trade KIRK HINRICH to the Celtics for a guy named Kurt Hinrick?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
laaaaame to some it up, KURT is VDNs version of a better 2 guard than BG
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jan 31, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
*sum
fixed
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
We're going to keep Kirk
and we’re not going to try to sign Wade.
It’s going to be Bosh, Boozer, or much much worse.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
Say it Ain't so, NBAO!
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 30, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe the master plan is this.
Keep Hinrich for a few more weeks than move him right before the deadline. That way, we maintain having as good a roster as possible for as long as possible and still clear cap room.
I still think we can get a better deal for Hinrich
Regardless of how most of us feel about him, he’s still a starting calibre point guard. I still think we can parlay him into a decent role player (that we can put into our rotation) with some expirings. Salmons we take what we can get. But Kirk’s worth more than Boston’s trash.
But apparently Ben Gordon was not worth anything more to the Bulls
than being an expiring contract.
But Kirk’s worth more than Boston’s trash.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 30, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder
how long this BG is going to go for?….i dont see anyone talkin about Sefolosha or any of the other spasctics we used to have
At least as long as Kurt is on the Bulls.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 1, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
I get so excited when I see people telling others how to enjoy themselves.
It’s so un-American!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That is not entirely true.
The Bulls will be able to sign a max free agent without trading anyone…if John Salmons opts out of his contract. To guarantee a max free agent money, it would be wise to trade Salmons for expirings. There is no good reason to trade Kirk at this time…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Well...
If we move Hinrich for expirings and Salmons opts out, there is a chance we’ll be able to spring for 2 max contracts, or close to it. The more cap room we have, the better, because with all the quality players that will be available in FA, a lot of the 2nd-tier guys that normally would get max deals will be available for less. So let’s say we give Joe Johnson or Chris Bosh a max deal, having another $9 million in cap room, while not enough to get another max player, might be enough to get a guy like Carlos Boozer or Michael Redd.
Not saying that we should move Kirk, but to say that there is no reason to would be a bit of an exaggeration. If we can swing a deal to move Kirk for expiring contracts that can actually play, I say let’s do it.
THey'd have to get rid of Deng, too.
Deng, Hinrich and Salmons gone gives a chance for two superstars. Rose + Wade + Bosh + Noah? That’s that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
None at all?
I can think of a pretty obvious reason. The $9M we’ll be spending on Kurt could get a better, younger player.
by Sports2 on Jan 31, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody wants Kirk Hinrich
They know he is over the hill and when he was on the hill he wasn’t that great of a player. Should of never been a first round draft pick
grammer geeks you make me sick
ok... now you're just baiting us
In 2003, we just lost Jay Williams and badly needed a point guard. Who else was on the board? Luke Ridnour, TJ Ford or Marcus Banks? The only halfway decent point that were there are Steve Blake & Mo Williams, both of which went second round because they came from nowhere to be who they are now, that only after a few years of learning point in the NBA the hard way.
It hasn’t even been 5 years since Kirk was our point when we swept Miami in the first round.
“Should of never been a first round draft pick”… Watch a game for once, ya mook!
theres nothing wrong with Hinrich
he just should have been trade once Rose was on the payroll, its as easy as that.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jan 31, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Hinrich is good enough to be a starter PG
The front office did the right thing in signing him to that contract at the time because we didnt have rose. But now that things have changed the smartest thing would be to move him, salmons and anyone for expirings to make it “Possible” to sign some top free agents this summer
yea i guess maybe they also saw that he was gonna cap off
i mean his contract is one of the few contracts in the league that actually goes DOWN as the years go by…i think hinrich capped off sooner as opposed to later though..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
You're correcting angryandy's "grammer" (sic)? ; )
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 31, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Allen and House are good enough for me. House is a douche but the guy can drain 3s. Allen is a pretty decent perimeter defenders. So basically those are Kirk’s skillset that can be replaced by players with favorable contracts. Pull the trigger, Pax.
Also for all those who are holding out, what is Kirk worth? 1st round picks, a starter, what would you want for him?
If we are getting Ray Allen
Then I take everything back. But Boston’s never gonna let go of Allen, especially if all they are getting back is Kirk and possibly Miller or Salmons.
Tony Allen
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe if we could mash this motley crews skills into a single player… For example, since we can only play 5 players at a time, Allen’s defense(which is pretty good) is irrelevant since he contributes NOTHING else. So a team not blessed with tons of offensive weapons can’t afford to waste a spot in the lineup on a player with ZERO offensive ability. House can’t handle the ball, pass, or play ANY defense(though he is a good shooter). That means Rose is the ONLY ballhandler and facilitator ON THE ROSTER. Then there is the formula I mentioned a while back when the Bulls completely sucked: Salmons+Deng+Taj=STAGNANT OFFENSE. A slowdown, halfcourt game with endess isos and no ball movement. Hinrich’s value is that he can take ballhandling and playmaking pressure off of Rose, as well as the stress of having to defend the opponents best guard. He helps them get into the offense faster and keep them from getting stuck in a plodding halfcourt style which they are ill equipped to execute. Also unlike Salmons he will defer to Rose when the situation calls for it. If the Bulls had more efficient 1 on 1 players this wouldn’t be an issue, but only Rose is good enough for isos, even though Salmons doesn’t realize it. The Bulls need to push the pace as much as possible to take advantage of their quickness, and someone who can help Rose with setting up teammates because they can’t consistantly get good shots on their own. Salmons DEFICIENCIES are more the issue with me than Hinrich’s “greatness”. Hinrich isn’t “untradable”, but they need to get somebody with much better ballhandling and passing skills(Hinrich isn’t GREAT at these things, but after Rose and Hinrich, nobody else on the team has ANY of these skills) than Salmons, House, or Allen to replace him. Finally, I realize that the Bulls need to cut salary for next season, and if the best deal they can get is for Hinrich then they MUST move him. If they can’t get someone who can duplicate the specific skills I mentioned, the bottom line this year will suffer, possibly substantially..
Sorry, next it will be spelling & punctuation complaints. Anything besides addressing what was written…
It's called sentence structure and grammar, learn both.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
They're worse than the Celtics.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I was making fun of the guy who made fun of you, actually.
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
What's "grammer" (sic)?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 1, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
the point of not trading hinrich for trash
is that the bulls would have to put that trash on the court for a few months. And I think they already used there mulligan (several, i might add) in the early part of the season
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jan 31, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Org(John Paxson regime) with history of mulligan's. Therefore one more won't hurt
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"A good man always knows his limitations"
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Trash it up,
as long as we can sign 2 quality players come the end of the season. Better to have a long term plan. I am pretty sure the Bull org. is oblivious to what a “long term plan” is but we can still discuss it I guess.
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In that case
No way. TONY Allen’s nowhere near good enough to even crack our rotation as it is. I still think there’s a premium on reaching the playoffs. Even if we are blowing most of this team up to make room for an 2010 FA.
"I still think there’s a premium on reaching the playoffs."
yup, a million or so a game!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
the oston players are getting old, we dont need no old ass players we need some fresh young legs
that being said, ray allen is not shooting as he used to
by rosegirldotcom on Jan 31, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
hinrich for allen's expiring would be a perfect trade.
he can run back to boston after the seasons up. Although i think boston is banking on Jesus Shuttlesworth bird rights to resign him.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jan 31, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
I think most people are overestimating Hinrich’s impact on our team. I don’t think we lose much trading Hinrich for House/Allen.
Yes, we may lose a bit compared to when Hinrich is in, but this would mean less Pargo! Less Hunter! And House hits 3s at a much better rate than Hinrich, no? So it’s not like House has half of Hinrich’s skills and Allen has the other half.
The key is that they are expiring contracts, meaning we get like 8m extra money to spend in the off season. David Lee signed for 8m last off season. Odom signed for a similar amount. Do you really think we can’t get much better value in July than an out of position point guard for 8 mil? Come’on now!
hinrich's toughness is so valuable!
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/orlando-magic-and-boston-celtics-have-problems
look for Charley Rosen’s opinions on trade rumors towards the end of the article.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jan 31, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Hinrich is certainly ideal for a contending team
he’s decent on a solid team, he’s trash on a bad team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
ill fix it for yfbb
hes trash on a bad team that already has an allstar (i can say this with confidence now…ha!) pg and is trying to make room in salary cap to get a better player and no longer be a bad team…
Like i said, if they let hinrich go now, i dont think anyone would mind having hinrich back on this team after rose has gotten his new max contract and bosh has gained 30lbs of muscle…no one would mind signing hinrich to a league exception
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I'd like Hinrich back too, maybe after his contract runs out.
my point was that Hinrich brings a lot by knowing his role and not forcing things. If you’re bad and need playmakers he’s exposed, plus then he sulks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Good thing we're 6 years later?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
We still
have Devin Brown, we can afford to lose Hinrich
by QUINTEN DALEY on Feb 1, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
In short, you don’t get cap flexibility to sign marquee players without giving up a bit on the talent side of things. You can’t always have your cake and eat it too, especially if you’re a cheap and rather incompetent management (Bulls), so getting cap flexibility and giving up as little of a talent lopside in this trade is actually a good thing.
If they held off because they think this type of deal will still be there as the deadline approaches, and they are just trying to get a little more somewhere else, fine, good job management. But if they don’t move Hinrich and our rotation next fall is Noah, good PF, Deng, Hinrich and Rose, I’ll be quite disappointed.
Or the starting rotation next season may be
Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Gibson and Noah.
and [if] our rotation next fall is Noah, good PF, Deng, Hinrich and Rose, I’ll be quite disappointed.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 31, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
and [if] our rotation next fall is Noah, good PF, Deng, Hinrich and Rose, I’ll be quite disappointed.
Rose
Hinrich
Deng
Bosh
Noah
not a good team?
Im seriously asking cuz i think im being objective, but i may be wrong, i have preconcieved notions of hinrich…so maybe ure looking at it more objectively, in which case why do u believe that team wouldnt be a good team. its like taking our starting rotation right now, and adding bosh instead of taj….thats like a monsterous upgrade…one that i believe takes care of all the deficiencies the bulls have shown thus far into the season (consistency, scoring, solid defense, superstar calls, spacing, someone who can draw a double team and take pressure off rose)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
You’re right, I was exaggerating a bit, I was also thinking of somebody like Amare (or even Lee) in that spot.
But you’re right, I won’t be very disappointed next fall if it’s Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Bosh and Noah, but I probably should. Why?
Well, lets start with Hinrich. He’ll make ~8m next year. If we can trade him for two expirings, even if they are injured players right now, why not? With guys like Odom and Lee going for around 8m last year, I think we can get a lot more value with 8m than Hinrich this summer. Even for those that like Hinrich, you can’t possibly think he’s worth 8m. You’re probably looking at 6-7m you’d be willing to spend on Hinrich as a big fan of him. If you hate him, you’re probably thinking 3-4m. Personally, I’d be happy to resign him (theoretically if he were a FA this summer) for 4-5m. Sure, he can be worth 6-7m in a good year, in a good system, but on average I’d project him as a 4-5m year player. Throw in that we don’t go into the luxury and that our best player happens to play the same position as Hinrich and it seems like a no brainer, very bad fit in our system for 6m a year, let alone 8.
Now, the other point I have is that we all just seem to assume that one or two max free agents will all of a sudden make us a deep playoff team. Anybody remember Jermaine O’Neal? Tracy McGrady? Stephon Marbuary, Dalembre, shit even Brad Miller at 11m. These are guys that got paid a lot of money and never delivered. How’s Baron Davis working out in LA? They will be paying about 15 mil in 2012-13.
My point is we need to be careful with which big name we sign, whether that is Bosh, JJ, Amare, Lee or anybody else. If you want to take a look at who makes the most this year, check out hoopshype http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm When those guys signed those contracts, at least one team thought they were worth it (and many more likely thought they were worth a little less, or that team would’ve never paid them so much). There are great players on there, but there are also a number of overpaid and a few worthless players. And even if we make a great choice, we can still be one injury away from being completely out of “deep playoff” range. If we turn Hinrich into expirings and use that 8m or so on a better SG (or get JJ and use 8m or so on a PF) we stand to be in a much better spot if we lose one of our core guys to injury.
So yea, I’m happy come fall if we have Bosh at PF and the rest is the same, but it’s going to be a frontloaded joy unless we get the maximum out of our core. Otherwise, I may be hurting fo ryears to come. And that’s with Bosh, one of the most sure thing big names out there this summer (besides Lebron). While I’d prefer Wade, if you had to make a bet on long term viability, you’d take Bosh over Wade, so Bosh is probably the 3rd best player going into the offseason and 2nd most reliable on the market.
Sorry for the long post guys.
The more and more I think about it, the more convinced I am that the Bulls literally have no long-term plan.
They just have the following goals: 1. don’t pay luxury tax and 2. make the playoffs and gather that revenue. That’s it. Those are their goals and in that order.
Last year, if they had a plan for the future, they wouldn’t have made the deal for Salmons because they would have realized that they could resign Gordon with Gooden’s expiring money and still have been pretty well positioned. Instead they sacrificed a better player for the long term by dealing bad players for upgrades that amounted to year and a half long rentals, but ultimately cost the Bulls Ben Gordon.
This year they are foregoing opportunities to make a real run at 2010 by being short-sighted and looking only to meet their yearly goal of making the playoffs, getting in on that revenue, and then staying under the luxury tax. If they don’t make a deal by the deadline to move either Salmons or Hinrich, I will be convinced that they truly have no long term plan for the future, because they will be relying entirely on the hope that Salmons opts out, which is not a plan at all.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Jan 31, 2010 8:36 PM CST reply actions
In faireness to the Bulls...
…I think they used Salmons in case Deng got hurt again, which he did. And it’s almost always safe to expect a player to opt out.
But yeah, I agree with most of what you said.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
They may very well have wanted Salmons in case of a Deng injury, but worrying about Deng's health
for last year was driven by the short-sighted goal of worrying about making the playoffs last year. The Celtics series was loads of fun and all, but ultimately it did nothing to help the Bulls in the long-term. All that playoff run did was cost the Bulls a lottery pick and the opportunity to keep Ben Gordon. It was a remarkably short-sighted trade and it’s pretty much par for the course for the Bulls FO.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Jan 31, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
I think they took Salmons to get the Kings to take Noc
technically they could do last-minute maneuvering when free agency begins (dumping players on teams with cap space), or the sign/trade route with Bosh.
but I agree that leaving so much to chance and not being certain after the deadline of your 2010 contract obligations would be upsetting. Especially since I can see an ‘oh well, we tried’ Org. message if they strike out, when we know they could’ve tried harder.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think they needed to deal Noc to the Kings. They could have looked for a deal to a contender like the Celtics
where Noc might have actually been useful as a 7th or 8th man. They probably could have gotten immediately expiring deals instead of Salmons’ deal, which would have facilitated the re-signing of Gordon I wanted to see.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Jan 31, 2010 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
So now
you’re questioning moves bases on 100% speculation. That’s certainly your right, but conversations along the line of “That was a bad deal, they should have made this other much better deal which I have no evidence ever existed….” are a pretty big waste of time.
Vinny: "[Thrust] means pace, it means getting the ball out, it means getting your back to the sidelines, it means extending your outlets, it means getting the ball up the court into our early offense with plenty of time."
It's true, but I'm sure they could have found other takers for Nocioni. The Celtics were reportedly interested.
I didn’t just make that up.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 1, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
You’re looking at the Sacramento trade the wrong way.
Remember how terribly bad Nocioni was on our team? We couldn’t even play him anymore he was that bad. Gooden didn’t play much defense and probably took too many shots for what we’re trying to accomplish (develop Rose for the future, BG as our main scorer). So what do we do? We make a trade that gives Sac immediate relief, but at the expense of taking on a long term contract of a useless player (Nocioni). We got back two solid players that helped us make a strong second half push and these two guys are actually starting to finally contribute this year as well. Miller expires just in time for the real FA bananza this summer and Salmons may opt out. Even if he does not opt out, the Bulls shouldn’t have trouble trading a mid level expiring contract of a guy who can actually play a bit too.
Now, if the Bulls kept Gooden and Noc, let Gooden expire, what do we do? Resign BG maybe. Then Hinrich is more expendable, sure. But we also have a lot less cap space and likely cannot sign a max FA this summer. I prefer the Max FA + possibly 6-12m if we move Hinrich or Salmons in space to upgrade the 2 guard rather than getting Gordon and having no shot at another top tier player.
We're keeping Kurt (for the time being) because his thrust is the key to our success.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Feb 1, 2010 9:49 AM CST reply actions
Can the Celtics trade give us back the thrust we need? Does Tony Allen have thrust?
by KentuckyBullsFan on Feb 1, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
only what comes out of the handgun barrel
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Im going on record saying
I like Kirk
Kirk will never be trade.
The bulls are smart not to trade Kirk.
Actually Kirk will get another contract with the Bulls.
Kirk will work for the organization later in life off the court.
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Eh?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg2rde8
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
Actually I like this one better:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz26aln
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
HOLY BRAND NEW ROSTER BATMAN!!!
has anything like this ever been done before? i mean that many players being swapped between two teams?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I have no idea.
What would you think of Kirk on the Celtics?
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
meh, i dont like it
I dont see hinrich being a great fit for the celtics although i cant put my fingers on exactly why. I think if you put hinrich on the lakers, they win a championship, i think if u put hinrich on the celtics, well…they get a deeper bench i suppose but i dont see them getting over any major humps. The lakers biggest and perhaps only weakness is at the pg spot, the celtics weakness lies within two areas, age, and bench. And hinrich can add depth to the guard position, but it will be more specific to the point guard position.
THe teams that would be perfect homes for hinrich are portland and lLA, and to me chicago….but ultimately i am fearing (or rather completely expecting) hinrich to be traded…or at least im trying to cushion the blow by constantly anticipating the fanshot that will announce it. (seriously when i saw that hinrich in a lakers jersey pic, i almost freaked out)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
On the Celtics he's exactly the same as he is on the Bulls. Backup PG.
On the Lakers, he’s starting SG.
You mean starting PG on the Lakers
Kobe’s the starting SG.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
on the celtics his role is incredibly diminished
unless they trade ray allen, at which point hinrich goes to sg and its a bad situation for him. If allen isnt traded then hinrich averages way less minutes, and is then extremely overpaid for the minutes and role he has on this team…thus he becomes the bane of yet another organization. Its just a bad fit…
On the lakers, hinrich becomes exactly what they need for exactly the right time and in exactly the right role and minutes, he becomes a sort of savant for that team plugging up the real hole that exists. The blazers would have to rid themselves of miller but then hinrich gets a similar situation there as in L.A.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Well put..
I don’t understand why the Lakers are not pressing pretty hard to get a PG. I know Fish has been solid in the past but it looks like those days are gone now. With Artest struggling to find out where he fits in adding a piece could not hurt. If you put Hinrich in the starting PG spot the Lakers starting unit would be very good defensively making them hard to beat. I wonder if they have already really inquired about it and turned away by the Bulls.
The Dude Abides
like matt always likes to point out
the lakers should be every teams ideal…they are put together pretty perfectly….
they have a great balance of age, defense, and offense on that team, and then they have the perfect coach to put all together, and an owner who is more than willing to overpay to keep that team winning. Its part of why hinrich makes sense to the lakers….that team is near perfect except for teh pg position namely at the defensive end…and hinrich solves that problem….its really that simple…they dont care about his hefty contract cuz they plan on winning for at least 3 more years…which is when hinrichs contract expires….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
According to Sports Illustrated’s Ian Thomsen, the Celtics made a run at acquiring Kirk Hinrich in December, but the Bulls were looking for a high-quality player or draft picks in exchange instead of the “spare parts” Boston was offering.
With Chicago looking to clear Hinrich’s contract off the books to add cap space for this summer, you have to wonder why the Bulls didn’t bite if expiring contracts were included in the “spare parts,” though this was before they acquired Devin Brown as insurance for such a move, and while the team wasn’t playing as well as they are now and Vinny Del Negro’s job was in question.
So might the two try and pair up again now that Ray Allen is reportedly on the market? In today’s Daily Dime, ESPN’s Chris Sheridan throws out a purely hypothetical trade scenario that fills needs for both teams.
Would both teams be happy with a trade (and we’re merely speculating here) that sent Allen and a minor player to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James (a 3-for-2 would work, because Boston has left a roster spot open since Lester Hudson was claimed off waivers by Memphis)? Or for Hinrich and Brad Miller?
Either of those deals would clear $9 million off the Bulls’ cap for next summer, when they’ll be going after a max free agent, and would allow Chicago to remain a viable playoff contender with a shooter who can provide what Hinrich and John Salmons haven’t. The Celtics would get another guard who can’t quite shoot as well (Hinrich is making only 38 percent of his shots while Allen is at 45 percent) but would gain a far more capable ballhandler and defender.
Moreover, if the Celtics could get a shot-blocker and rebounder like Thomas, it could go a long way toward getting them out of the NBA cellar in offensive boards (where they rank 30th) and restore some of their customary defensive prowess.
“We haven’t had timely stops — that’s what bothers me most. Today, and against Atlanta and Orlando, they scored every time they needed to,” Boston coach Doc Rivers said.
Chris Sheridan covers the NBA for ESPN Inside
by Teh Immortal Batman on Feb 1, 2010 7:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Oh wait, I saw this earlier. But you should still link regardless
Thrusting toward the playoffs, one game at a time.
lol sounds so nice
but it wont happen because i think that boston ( and this sadens me) are still up on the whole BIG 3 !….I dont think they will break apart untill they start sucking real bad
I’m sure for Allen’s huge expiring contract they can get more than TT and Hinrich + expirings.
Look at the T-Mac trade rumors and he is not nearly as valuable to teams as Allen is right now.
Boston should be getting more for Ray Allen than Houston for T-Mac. The problem is that Boston really needs a decent 2 guard to come back in any trade for Allen or they are better off just riding him out until the summer. I could see a Ginobli type deal between SA and Boston, Ginobli reportedly is telling the media he won’t be back in SA anyways, that they don’t want him back.
Perhaps Dallas could bite on something like this as well with Boston.
I just don’t see too many clearly good trades for Boston right now, Ray Allen is a very good player and an expiring contract, it’s not like Boston has close to any bigger weakness than 2 guard if they trade Ray Allen, they have Rondo at point, Pierce at the 3, Garnett/Davis at the 4, with Perkins at the 5 and Rasheed at the 4/5. Is anybody out there available that is clearly good enough to take minutes away from Rasheed/Perkins/Garnett? If so, then why wouldn’t Boston just trade one of those 3 instead of trading away a good 2 guard and creating a much bigger hole?
Not that bad
Turning it down isn’t that bad. Trade value of players goes up as you approach the deadline. Not to mention that as Boston falters, they get more and more desperate to shake things up. I’m sure the Bulls can get this same deal come the deadline if they need to.
I still think LA is a possibility for a trade too as Fisher is real bad. The Bulls could also get someone of value in return from them like Farmar.
What if we don't get a FA?
Maybe it’s not a horrible idea to keep Hinrich around in case the major FAs do what the vast majority of top level FAs do, and not switch teams? At least you still have a playoff caliber team, and now you have money to go after FAs in later years (or take bad contracts and get draft picks for them).
Hinrich makes too much for what he does, but as long as they can get the FA, they’ll (hopefully) pay the tax in order to keep a championship level team. You need a Hinrich-like PG (since Rose is still learning on the defense front) to survive in the playoffs.
This trade deadline is going to be epic or really, really bad.
Cybit, your logic makes sense in most years, but I think with a shrinking cap and a lot of high expectations from these free agents, we can truly get one if we want one.
There should be enough people available and not enough teams able to afford ~13-15m a year for us to worry about not being able to get a good FA this summer.
The big question and worry for me is that we get the right one at the right price. Maxing out on Bosh or Wade is fine, but if they don’t come here (and they are two that could easily play together in Miami) then we’re looking at Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, David Lee, Amare Stoudamire, guys like that. It’s not that I’d be unhappy with any of those players, but I wouldn’t be hapy giving them the absolute max. There’s also Rudy Gay and a few other potentials that can bolt. All of these teams either don’t have the interest or likely cannot legitimately afford to resign these players so they will likely be dealt or signed and traded.
Ray Allen will also be available, but I’d consider him a shorter term, lesser player than the players above, mostly due to his age. However, I think getting a player such as Bosh or Lee or Amare at the PF then signing Ray Allen to a cheaper deal to play our SG might be a good strategy. Then we can gamble a bit more on a young, cheaper SG to back up Ray Allen and potentially develop into a quality starter in a year or two.
But 8m on Hinrich next year… no thanks. Ray Allen is a better player and I don’t think it’ll cost more than 8m to get Ray Allen this summer. That alone should justify trading away Hinrich for two injured expiring contracts (even better if they can play like Reddick, or House or AJ, or Outlaw or Blake, etc.).
The way the new CBA proposal seems to be...
Are we sure about that? If the owners believe they can actually modify all the current contracts as well as future contracts…maybe that’s what Reinsdorf is banking on?
Obviously, my perspective is slightly biased
As a Lakers fan, but would Chicago (or rather, the BaB people here) consider Farmar, Vujacic, and Morrison for Hinrich and Johnson a more equitable deal than the one above from Boston? Farmar alone is probably better than any of the listed Boston players, and the common perception in L.A. is that he’s not a long-term solution at the position because his game doesn’t mesh very well with the triangle. Shannon Brown has usurped the majority of Vujacic’s minutes, although Vujacic has shown some decent improvement lately in his shot selection and overall decision-making. Morrison is obviously cap filler, and has done little in L.A. other than act as the human victory cigar and get bizarrely inserted into games at random times while Phil plays with lineups (namely when Walton was injured).
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by Ben R on Feb 2, 2010 11:19 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
personally i dont like sasha
i hate his game, and his contract is two years which doesnt kill the bulls chances, but its just one more year of him then i want…
Ultimately i would love to have a third team involved to push off sasha, or some kind of incentive to take sasha….
other than that i think farmar would be a good fit for the bulls in terms of being a backup pg with experience in the nba, and not totally worthless, and morrison, well i think he also sucks but at least he expires
Ideally id like a third team in the fray just so we can get a better sg from somewhere, but as far as this trade goes, i like far better than the boston deal (unless boston hands over ray allen, which they wont)
I think hinrich would be ideal (IDEAL!!!!) on the lakers, the lakers have only one real weak point and hinrich completely plugs that hole perfectly, you guys would be a flawless team so long as what i percieve to be ure starting lineup (hinrich, kobe, artest, pau, bynum) stays healthy…way too many weapons on both ends of the court
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I think Kurt would be a solid performer on the Lakers,
since the role would play to his strengths and not ask him to do to much in his areas of weakness.
Farmar would do nicely as the backup point, and Vujacic would be acceptable for deep bench for the Bulls.
Let’s hope Kupchak and GarPaxDorf think the same.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Feb 3, 2010 4:27 AM CST up reply actions
I only think the Boston deal is clearly the deal for us because it gives us expiring deals. Sasha has 5.5m next year, that’s about what Salmons would make anyways and I think Salmons is probably a better fit on our team than Sasha at over 5m.
Farmar and Morrison (7.2m expiring) and some throw ins (to make the salary match) to Chicago for Hinrich (9.5m this year) would be much more preferable from our team’s standpoint.
I’d probably still rather have House, Tony Allen and Scalabrine, only because I think the former two would be more effective on our team than Farmar. Scal and Morrison are practically useless players that every team seems to have. We have Hunter, hell even Pargo and we had Gray. You guys have Morrison and Boston has Scalabrine.
(found this in a Ray Allen thread)
KC Johnson confirmed this (buried in a mailbag post, wtf).
When the Celtics inquired on Hinrich recently, they were offering junk like Scalabrine and Tony Allen.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2010 3:29 PM CST reply actions
this is why the prominence bothers me
by not reporting it more prominently and calling the return ‘junk’, KC is dismissing the very idea of the deal as not newsworthy. I think it is newsworthy that the Bulls have a chance to get out from under Hinrich’s contract but aren’t taking it. Not saying it’s the wrong or right decision on their part, but that’s something for fans to determine, not KC.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
KC's not determining it, the Org. has.
He’s just repeating what they say.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
that's a bit of a leap
he’s repeating what they say, but he could determine how it gets said.
no doubt Org. floated him talk about the ‘junk’ offer, but you think they also said “hey, don’t make a big deal about it, we don’t want fans knowing we could’ve traded Kirk but didn’t”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
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yeah I do believe that. KC seems to just be an organizational mouthpiece these days.
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I don't know. I don't have much respect for K.C. has a beat writer.
I think he “knows” how he is “supposed” to report things. That, I actually do believe. I think K.C. is just a mouthpiece for the org. As a beat writer, anyway.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
How Bout This Boston - Chicago Trade
With them losing Pierce, I think they will look for a more consistent score than Tony Allen, and they’ve been tryin to move Ray for a while. So let’s give them Hinrich, Salmons, and James. And we get back Ray Allen, Eddie House, and JR Giddens.
Salaries matchup, we get someone to perfectly complement D.Rose, and a back up PG who can space the floor. They get a starter at SG and competent backup no matter who they want to throw in at that SG spot, plus an expiring contract.
You can't solve one scoring problem
By creating another.
Sorry
About the reply fail. This is supposed to go with the post above.
by Gentleman Jim on Feb 7, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
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