The Bulls could've traded for Stoudemire last season, but opted not to. He's certainly on their radar and discussions between now and the Feb. 18 trade deadline will take place. However, to label him the Bulls' top priority is overstating matters.
Lots from KC Johnson and Mike McGraw today on Stoudemire, Hinrich, Jefferson, etc. -ed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 11:26 AM CST reply actions
ugh
I must have screwed up the html syntax.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/slow-down-on-stoudemire-to-bulls-rumors.html
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
That's bull.
I hate Bulls beat writers cuz they are brainwashed by the org and their reports are an attempt to pacify fans. “We could’ve gotten Amare, but JJ, Taj, and the opportunity to land a max FA mean more.”
The truth. We couldn’t have got him cuz our current players suck. The only guy that might’ve gotten a deal done (Deng) was hurt. Let’s hope this blown smoke clears things up.
how about this nugget?
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/3320
The Bulls have been looking to add another guard for a few weeks and had serious discussions about signing Sundiata Gaines to a 10-day contract before he joinedd Utah. Gaines is the rookie guard from Georgia who drained a 3-pointer at the buzzer to beat the Cavs a couple weeks ago.
Good job Bulls! ‘seriously’ considered signing a guy people know heard of!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe they knew
STAT was hurt, I mean wasn’t it one game after the deadline or so that he sat the rest of the year….that kind of info the beat writer’s never add…..and to me seems a logical conclusion because we know after the summer that BG and TYrus weren’t in our plans and likely would have been included in a trade to Phx….with a pick (JJ).
Sadly....through thick and thin....
he got poked in the eye after the deadline
I don’t think Gar Paxdorf have premonitions.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I present to the jury
Item A: Jannero Pargo
by kingj41 on Jan 27, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Cmon
Dont you see the brilliance in overpaying Pargo this year? Now after he lights up the Lithuanian Basketball Association, he’ll stay loyal to us and sign with us over the t-wolves.
And resigning Gray to set up the blockbuster trade for Devin Brown? That just proves that somebody up there has tremendous foresight.
by Poloplaya14 on Jan 27, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Oh he did?
I thought he got poked in the eye early in the year and it bothered him to the point he sat which just happened to be after the deadline.
My bad….I could have sworn though that he had an eye problem from preseason….oh well.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
he did
the 2nd one occurred after the trade deadline, but he def had another eye injury beforehand.
see a post from bright side of the sun dated 10/3/2008 here.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I thought so
Thanks. I thought he just had the one eye injury and finally sat down from it….oh well.
Thanks agian.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
yeah i think it was a re-injury
including a new tear in his retina or whatever that made it worse than before. i can’t remember exactly.
needless to say he was supposed to wear goggles the whole season last season and didn’t, and ended up with that injury, heh.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Yea, I was just reading this also
Very disappointing. All O know is they better have one hell of a plan to get whoever it is that they’re after if they’re passing up guys like Stoudemire
Neil takes the fun out of funk
"All O"... "guys like Stoudemire"
Freud was right.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Jan 27, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The way KC writes it
it’s like I’m running the trades. Adding Amare to Rose, Gordon, Deng, Noah, Hinrich, and Noc would have been quite a roster for a playoff push.
If we only had D’Antoni too that would be one awesome offensive roster.
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by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
that's a lux-tax team right?
d’oh.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
But a contender?
Maybe a contender by our standards but not Mr. Philanthropist 2010 of the State of Arizona.
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by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno, 'dorf own words suggest he won't pay tax for a team that's going to be a contender
they have to already be a contender, and he’d then pay.
I start to get tired nowadays trying to imagine what any Gar Paxdorf conversations are like when it comes to acquisitions.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe it's not conversation
Maybe there is a tiny voice in Pax head that tells him what to do: sign Pargo. Me wants Pargo Pax… sign him… sign Pargo… my precious….
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 27, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Doug Thonus did a good job of breaking it down on his blog.
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 27, 2010 11:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
KC's wording is weird
“Could’ve traded for but opted not to.” It makes it sound like the deal was on the table and we just said “Nah, no Amare.”
But it could just mean “Amare was on the trading block”.
Right...
Could’ve traded for Amare if the Bulls were willing to give up Noah, Tyrus and a first round pick…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 27, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
According to McGraw
In the same scenario last year, Phoenix was interested in a package of Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha for Stoudemire but also wanted multiple first-round picks, according to a league source, and the Bulls passed.
The Suns had Shaq and Robin Lopez last year.
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by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
i would have easily done tyrus + thabo + 1 first round
but i dunno about multiple first rounders.
also, how would salaries have matched?
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
They wouldn't
Thonus adds that Drew Gooden would have had to be included in that package.
What would the trade value of two #1 picks be?
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by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
picks have no cap value in trades
two #1s is pretty outrageous anyway. Doug’s right that they would’ve likely just used Gooden as the cap filler.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
We made such great use out of Thabo and our #1 from last year.
I’m so happy the Bulls didn’t get Amare so I can watch Taj Gibson and James Johnson flail about on the court this year.
God damn it.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
When you put it that way, it's really depressing.
We could have given them Tyrus (who is benched), Taj (who is mediocre at best), James Johnson (who is terrible and doesn’t look very promising), Drew Gooden (LOL), and Thabo (who sucks) for Amare Stoudemire and we didn’t do it? Fucking seriously?
Well I guess Thabo was actually turned into Taj, but whatever.
My thoughts still stand. We should have done that trade in a second.
Well, Taj = Thabo (they were traded for one another), so
add another first round pick to that vortex of suck and that’s basically all the Suns were asking for freaking Amare. God damn it.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yep. This is why I am convinced that for my own health
the time might come in the near future where I have to renounce my Bulls fandom. They are too cheap and too dumb. It gives me a headache almost daily.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Thunder!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
They are a fun watch.
I’m from New England, so watching the Bulls’ bufoonery is even more galling when you see the Celtics spending boatloads of money and winning all the time.
They are going to fall off soon, but maybe Ainge has some tricks up his sleeve.
I couldn’t jump on the C’s bandwagon, though, I’d feel dirty.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't have
McHale to gift wrap him another stud
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
celtics didn't win much between Bird's retirement and the KG acquisition.
when you see the Celtics spending boatloads of money and winning all the time.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 27, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
not yet to be proven not cheap
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Blazers!
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone thinks they're so sweet
…until they have to give Durant the max, Westbrook near the max, and Green (undersized PF who doesn’t rebound) a shitload as well. Good luck with that, Sam Presti!
Should've taken Noah.
And they’d be amazing!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
IBAKA!
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
That's okay.
They’re already better than the Bulls and don’t have to pay for at least another season.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Probably.
What’s wrong with bandwagon jumping? I have more fun that way.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It's better when people just acknowledge they are bandwagon fans
Instead of putting some label like “ilberated fandom”, which is a crock of shit.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The difference, to me, is when I say liberated fan
I mean, I have no vested interested in any one team. A bandwagon fan, on the other hand, is someone who switches allegiances from team to team when things get bad for their current team. I think there’s much more shame in jumping from team to team than just appreciating the league as a whole, but at the end of the day, it’s just a game and if you get maximum entertainment / enjoyment value out of jumping from team to team then more power to you.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever makes you happy, I just hate Free Darko
So anytime “liberated fandom” is mentioned I get annoyed.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
me too!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
(hate is strong)
I just find FD annoying and don’t read their site. For all I know it’s better than it used to be.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
No it's worse.
Bill Simmons lameness with an English degree.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I don't like the term. I just used
it to convey concisely what I was trying to get at. Unfortunately it comes with the FD baggage. Most of those guys are gas-bags.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
I guess if you admit it, it's not so bad.
You just look like a snake and shouldn’t pretend like you really care if the team you’re following is winning or losing because, you know, you can always go to another better, more interesting, cooler team. Or whatever.
I haven't done it, yet.
I’ve nothing to admit. I’m still way too invested in the success of this team and I kind of hate it that way. I don’t know how to quit this team. :( If 2010 goes bust though I will be giving it even more serious consideration because we will have truly lost BG for absolutely nothing.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know.
It’s all entertainment to me. I don’t get entertainment from watching penny-pinching gazillionaires not put out the best product they can.
I actually don’t understand undying loyalty to a team simply based on geographic location. Or based on the team name. Or based on the jersey colors. It doesn’t make sense to me.
What’s the point of watching basketball if it doesn’t provide joy in my life? For me, there isn’t some ultimate deeper meaning in it like their might be watching a movie or reading a sad book. It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jan 27, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I do believe I have a new sig after that comment.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
well there's an inherent understanding that it's stupid
you shouldn’t have to point that out to yourself (or others).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
What's stupid?
I implied it’s irrational is not the same as stupid.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
LOL
Rec, just for the not eating poop-flavored candy!! I get your point although I have a feeling I will always be a Bulls fan no matter how poopy of a team our cheap owner puts out there. However, I will not buy any tickets or merchandise until they justify it again but a fan I will remain.
The Dude Abides
I might not understand it, but I won't tell anyone how to be a fan.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
no no you dont understand. they COULD have made the trade--
they just didnt want to. isnt that impressive? isnt that real power?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
yes the dude doesn't play defense why is it so hard to fucking understand.
His knees are fucked.
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
ahem...
you are giving up NOTHING to get an offensive force. NOTHING also sucks at defense… because its NOTHING.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I didn't like the trade at the time and I still don't.
People on here were screaming for this. If the dude couldn’t get anything done on those PHX teams with Steve Nash then I’m not sure he gets it done with Derrick Rose.
I just don’t like his approach to the game. I don’t wanna be the Suns.
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
you have a narrow view of "getting anything done."
without those suspensions they likely win the title in 06-07.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Really...?
I don’t see that at all…and frankly, if they were a more disciplined team, they would not have received those suspensions in the first place…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
if Nash+Amare have done nothing, wtf have the Bulls done?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
eh, I forget who I'm conversing with
Suns probably don’t have the fundamentals that you watched back in the day. More book schoolin’ could’ve done them good.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he's not, that's what makes it all the more silly.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Negative achievment?
if Nash+Amare have done nothing, wtf have the Bulls done?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 27, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, so you don't think Rose will ever be better than Steve Nash?
Logged in memory.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Um, there's a very good possibility that Rose
is never as good as Nash, tyger. Nash has been one of the top 3 PGs in the league for the last half of this decade. At his peak, few have been better.
It’s tough to compare them because they are totally different players, but guys that shoot around 50/40/90 and set up their teammates for approximately a zillion dunks or wide open threes a game are incredibly valuable.
So far all Rose has shown himself consistently capable of is volume scoring.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
I understand not remembering my thoughts on Rose.
I was doing it more to let JoJo know I’m going to laugh at his hypocrisy the next time he screams about Rose being superduperawesome.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
we could all have a fieldday with what he says
it’s the least-significant scoreboard around
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
scoreboard?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I have it in Mom's basement
all the predictions you guys have had! They’re so relevant.
there’s a special one for tyger’s draft analysis.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
I got two right!!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
out of 20?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well
I will say Steve Nash is a lock in the ahll of fame, 2 time MVP who deserved those MVP’s….
I have to hope Rose hits that level. He is more talented already than Nash ever was….but Nash is just so fantastic on O…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
He's not really more talented for the position
Nash is an ambidexterous freak who has probably the best court vision in the league. Rose’s doesn’t even come close. Court vision is a real talent.
Rose has more physical gifts than Nash, but Nash’s talents are actually more pertinent to winning basketball. Setting teammates up incredibly well, spacing the floor, making a high percentage of all of his looks are all things that directly correlate with winning basketball.
All Rose’s “talents” have allowed him to do is to be a scorer who scores inefficiently. He can and will get better, but using “talent” the way you’ve done it discounts a lot of what makes Nash great.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Rose is creeping towards an 18 PER right now
and he’s still not even that efficient. If he starts shooting threes (like he slowly is the last couple of games) and making them, as well as shooting free throws more, then wow…look out. I wouldn’t be surprised if in year three or four he was putting up a 23+ PER and all of the sudden sneaks up on superstar status with the way his jumpshot is looking lately (and if he gets some real players around him this summer who will help up his assist totals).
I don't see that. Sure he has a chance
but he came into the league playing some of the worst defense I’ve ever seen. He’s been better this year, but not a whole lot.
He’d have to really, really turn it around 180 degrees to be a plus defender.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
In fairness to him,
it’s not like he’s had a coach that can team him how to actually properly defend a PnR.
and we don't know who his next coach
will be. They could be just as inept at teaching PnR defense.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Hinrich knows how to...
and there’s a film room. This has definitely been gone over in practice. The information is available, and had been made available to Derrick. Arguing that nobody told him how to defend the PnR, is a poor argument and assumes all kind of crazy things.
The truth is that it’s Derrick’s fault he’s a poor defender. Yes, he can improve, but that has to come from inside.
Meh.
I’m as frustrated by the Org. as you are, but “renouncing fandom” is a weak-ass copout in my opinion.
I might just become a liberated general NBA fan
and just appreciate the league. Being a fan of one team, especially one this inept is more frustration than it’s worth most of the time.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
It was fun rooting for the Kings and Spurs in the earlier part of this decade.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm giving serious consideration to it. The other benefit
is that I wouldn’t have to watch pirated feeds online all the time anymore, I’d just watch whatever game was on ESPN or TNT. Much easier that way.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see how you can just completely stop being a fan
of a team like that. I mean, it just goes against normal human nature.
So... you're saying we're more elevated than "normal" human beings?
Thanks.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Or less loyal than your average human being?
Then again, it’s only sports fandom, so it all depends on how much you really care about it compared with the larger scope of your life.
That's where much of this is coming from
I’ve begun re-evaluating the importance I place on sports in my life. I used to be fanatical about everything and with the Bulls I still am, but I’m slowly changing how I feel about sports. At the end of the day, there are much more important things to be worrying about. Of course, as I write this, I am actively neglecting my homework, so I guess I still have a ways to go yet down this road.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
I couldn't agree with you more.
I’ve been trying to tone it down as well, but it just brings too much daily entertainment to resist. I’ve wasted the last 2 hours in this thread alone instead of doing homework that I really need to get cracking on asap. Eesh
I third this mostion
Instead of caring about sports, I’ve spent more time the last few weeks carefully nurturing the dark and empty cavity where a life should be.
And I have to say, I’ve been quite happy with my efforts at making it even darker and emptier.
(See, it’s like a trial size bite of Free Darko)
Nah if it was FD
you would have tried to draw some ridiculous comparison between the aesthetics and beauty of life and then drawn a trivial and unconvincing parallel between that and basketball viewing.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
also, there would have to be something
about jazz. Always remember FD means basketball = jazz.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
"anyone who criticizes FD is pretentious!"
— FD
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I thought their motto was always
basketball is NOT jazz? Like they were offended by that concept.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
don't forget the pictures
that in no way are connected to anything in what is written, until you think harder
My job is really boring and pointless (to me).
so I find ways to keep myself entertained. This blog is more entertaining to me than Bulls basketball.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jan 27, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec!
that’s damning with faint praise, though :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
I think you have a new site banner.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
I think that this is what actually keeps
me tethered to the Bulls. If I dropped the Bulls, I’d lose contact with many of you and I actually like chatting with many of you.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
Meh, I think you can still be a Bulls fan
and still appreciate other teams. If you want to totally jump ship on the Bulls, though, and become an entirely liberated fan…
www.freedarko.blogspot.com is the place for you
I like the stuff that Free Darko does, even though some of it
is confusing, nonsensical bullshit spouted by English majors with too much time on their hands.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I used to like it a lot
but I feel that over the last year or so they just keep trying to out-do themselves with the ridiculously over-the-top confusing bullshit they’re constantly writing. I mean, I like big words as much as anyone, but literally 50% of what they write now is incoherent and doesn’t even make any sort of point. It’s gone way downhill IMO.
I think big words for the sake of big words,
which is what they do, is usually stupid. It’s actually a lot harder to say what you want simply and elegantly than to spout off a bunch of SAT vocab words. Anyone can use a thesaurus.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
It's almost like they write a blog entry
and then put it in a Word document, write click every single word in the post, and auto-change it using the synonym feature in Word. But then they don’t realize that their post now makes almost zero sense. It’s frustrating to read.
I think you had it correct the first time.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
That sucks
I did that with the Bears because I just couldn’t take any more Wannstedt.
You just end up craving your old team to be good again.
I still think we need the Chairman to just sell the team at the high value.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
There's always hoping 'Dorf has a heart attack.
I mean, did I just say that out loud? Woops.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
believe what you want
i always figure myself for the glass half empty type.
until i log on here.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
by marionette on Jan 27, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
right, Thabo = Taj in that timeframe
so they’re asking for ANOTHER #1. That’s a lot, though you’d hope the Bulls would be drafting in the late round with that squad.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
It's not really that much in hindsight.
Tyrus is gone and they clearly never valued him. Taj is like a zillion other filler big men. JJ sucks. Gooden helped us get Brad, but I’d rather have Amare (obviously). Add another first round pick to that pile of junk, and so what? Chances are it’d be a mid to late first and the Bulls can’t draft in that range anyway (too much practice in the lotto).
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, I would've done it
the Bulls need those picks though for rookie contracts, the backbone of the Org. :-/
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Losing the RIGHT (read:cheap) Way...
With high-character (read: less talented) guys.
The Bulls are so savvy.
...no.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
I actually would've been fine with that
provided they picked up someone with an MLE or something. But that’d imply they would let BG go over basketball reasons, not tax reasons.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
hmm i could dig that trade
2 guys who aren’t on our team anymore, and instead amare? if it was just 1 number one. but does leave us pretty thin in the frontcourt, as then we don’t have either pick from last summer and no brad. so, it is what it is i guess.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
We still would have had Ced Simmons
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
more importantly,
we would be building around Rose, Kirk, Deng, Noah, and BG if we would have re-signed him, which is a damn good core. But I guess that would mean JR would have had to pay the lux tax, right? Would he have done it?
Would he have done it?
I believe you know the answer to that already.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
...what if he believed that team would
make the Final 4 (lol), as he referred to in one of his weirdo interviews? Nah, probably not. I think he really hated BG that much.
I just think he's cheap.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say it's both
he had some fixation on replacing BG, and he won’t pay for something he’s not absolutely certain of, like not paying for D’Antoni because he didn’t say ‘defense’ enough in the interview.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, then he's cheap and dumb. Which is the real problem
with rooting for this team.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
He definitely hated BG
This is the same guy who referred to him hypothetically as “the 4th guard” behind Rose, Salmons, and Kurt. That’s hate.
and also
signed Omar Vizquel to play some DH this season
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
No, that was his dumbass GM+manager.
But Reinsdorf is so comically loyal to the pair that got him a World Series, they pretty much have carte blanche.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
well better to be comically loyal to them
than comically loyal to Paxson, who’s won nothing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
And Nocioni!
Which is bad… I’d rather have Cedric Simmons
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
I see...
Sub Thabo for Noah, and that was the deal…Not bad on the surface when you consider it….The team would have been pretty thin with no Brad Miller trade, no Taj or JJ…and they would have still been stuck Noc…
I guess the Bulls just don’t see Amare as fitting in to what they are trying to build…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
suns wanted tyrus and noah. thabo and a #1 was always a part of the deal.
bulls didn’t want to do tyrus and noah (like many here didn’t, as they were playing well together with gooden sitting out). after that, it’s anyone guess how negotiations were bargained other than that it wasn’t agreed upon. add in the fact that sarver was doing a whole hand wringing and soul (he has one?) searching thing…
(believe it or not, suns fans weren’t happy at all w/ tyrus and noah and thabo and the #1.)
ehh, i just want to remind everyone that it’s all conjecture with this stuff. only they know exactly who said “no” to what. and i don’t trust what they say (“we were never gonna re-sign gordon”) after the fact. since the beat reporters get their info from the orgs, i don’t believe them either. why anyone does is the mystery.
"Let's do some living... after we die"
it's shit wording
but KC’s not a dumb guy. It’s probably a way to spin it to the Org. being in control
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
or adding fuel to the fan fire
sometimes i feel kc is a huge instigator, i remember he wrote articles condeming gordon just as much as the bulls organization did, and then would show up on mailbags and chicago tribune live claiming to be one of the bigger gordon fans….i dont like the guy or anything he says….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
KC's mailbags are really informative, and it seems to be where his real opinions come out.
FWIW, he has pretty much the same opinions on BG (should have kept him) and Tyrus (START THE MAN) that much of Blog-a-Bull does. I wonder if he posts here? I see him and Matt tweeting back and forth from time to time…
that's the extent of my communications with any of the writers.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
you really should get some credentials or something
at least we’d have someone to ask some real questions
by Illini15 on Jan 27, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hey don't discount the new star
f’real though, the writers here are very much experiencing Stockholm Syndrome covering this team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
That's why one of the only things from the Bulls beat media
that I really pay attention to is KC’s mailbags, where it’s like he’s almost pretending he’s off the record. It’s awesome.
I never call trades
A source confirmed the Bulls have had discussions with the Lakers about Hinrich, most likely for Adam Morrison and Sasha Vujacic, but nothing is imminent.
that trade would be great for us
except I don’t think we make the playoffs if that is our only move.
also, I’d like to see as little of Sasha Vujacic as humanly possible.
by darksmokepuncher on Jan 27, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
i think this trade sucks
if we are going to move Hinrich, lets get more than $3 million in savings for next year.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 27, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
$3 mil is all we need though
Now Salmons can opt in and it won’t matter.
maybe, i'm surprised the Bulls can't get a full salary dump for Hinrich
I’d much rather have Farmar and Mbenga than Vujacic
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 27, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
it's not THAT surprising
no matter how many Sam Smith pump-up pieces are to come. There’s just not a lot of teams looking to take on money, and even the contending teams are already in the tax.
Doesn’t every ‘observer’ pretty much say they couldn’t get expirings last year, and won’t be able to this year?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Oh no, the Bulls could have got expirings last year but turned them down.
Because you know, they knew Hinrich was more valuable than expiring contracts, to the Bulls or other teams.
Blake + Outlaw* for Hinrich
Brian Cardinal + Madsen or Craig Smith for Hinrich
Both turned down by the Bulls, iirc.
*the ultimate flexibility – didn’t both have team options for this season, meaning the Bulls could dump them for Gordon or keep them for one year more, expiring this season.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
who knows what to believe
You’re right the intial story was that the Bulls turned that down, but then remember Sam this season saying that the Bulls couldn’t give him away.
Of course now Kurt is MVP in Sam’s world, so I expect that to change again :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
He has restarted his campaign pro Hinrich
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 27, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Pax actually
came out and said this summer that they had the opportunity to dump Kurt for expirings but didn’t pull the trigger because they felt they weren’t getting enough value. I’m sure someone could find the quote.
Pax, Blake and Outlaw is
fair enough value for Kirk
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
jim paxon doesnt play for the blazers anymore, so he cant be traded.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Is "Jim Paxon" related to Jim Paxson?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 27, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. Farmar would be a very nice backup for the remainder of the season.
And, more importantly, Kurt’s salary is gone…FOREVAAAAAAAA
I'd love the trade
We need to clear cap space, plain and simple, and Kirk won’t be worth his contract the next two years.
Evidently everyone here hates Vujacic, but he’s basically a JJ Redick clone, and I think a lot of us wouldn’t mind having him.
exactly when he gets hot he can drain threes.
I hate the dude but if he’s going to waste away on the Laker bench why not use him for a few years for depth and spacing. He’s better than Pargo.
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
but doesnt this trade mean pargo has to play around 10 mins a night?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I didn't even think of that
we’d be awful this year.
also, am I reading this wrong or is Adam Morrison set to make $5 million next year?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3016
please tell me I’m reading that wrong….its gotta be a mistake
by darksmokepuncher on Jan 27, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
no, he is RFA eligible for a qualifying offer
he won’t be getting one
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 27, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I imagine Pargo would be included in the deal
The Bulls can’t add any more salary because of the luxury tax, and Hinrich for Vujacic/Morrison would add $700k and put us over. Either we add Pargo, or we add Pargo and James Johnson with the Lakers adding Farmar.
Vujacic plays some point guard, so we should be fine there.
*actually I can't confirm that Vujacic plays point
The Lakers played a number of lineups last year with Vujacic as the only small guard (next to Ariza/Kobe), but those were probably late game situations with Kobe playing point. Hmm.
It's the triangle
The point doesn’t really matter. They play Shannon Brown at the point. Vujacic isn’t playing because Brown is a much better defender with explosive talent on the offensive end without the basketball.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
according to 82 games.com
he has played 3% of the Lakers total minutes at point guard, 11% at shooting guard. http://www.82games.com/0910/09LAL3.HTM
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 27, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I think Vujacic would help us
But I see the same in D-League talent as well. We just need outside shooters that defenders cannot leave.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
i love adam morrison
and vujacic is useful.
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
by Jbasic89 on Jan 27, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate "Ammo" less since he cut his hair.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 27, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
Not to reign on your parade Yao
but people have been talking about trading Hinrich to LA for some of combination of players since the season started.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 27, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Right, proposing a trade that later gets RUMORED is hardly a novel thing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
n.b. if the bulls do this i hope someone can convince vujacic to step a few feet away from his man when hes defending.
hes a nut. he gets right up in the guys face with his hands out every time and the offensive player either blows by V or gets fouled by him. look a Vs foul rate. hes like dahntay jones.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Someone wake me when something actually goes down.
I learned my lesson last year with this Stoudemire thing, my refresh button is still mad at me.
Neil takes the fun out of funk
Seriously...
I think this one is a big yawner…I don’t think the Bulls org. believes Amare is worth a max contract…and they are probably right, even though he will get one next offseason if he opts out.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 27, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
he's not. IMO
I would be happy with just dealing Salmons and Kirk for expirings.
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
What I don't understand, though, is why not get him if you can shed even a little salary this year or next year.
If you don’t like him, just renounce his Bird Rights in the summer.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You are on to something here...
If the Bulls could Amare + filler for Tyrus + Salmons + expirings + filler and a first rounder…
Amare gets a two month try-out with the team, if he is a good fit, the Bulls have the Bird Rights to sign him first…if he is not a good fit, they still retain Bird Rights to sign and trade for someone who may be a better fit (Bosh) or is not a free agent…or as you said, they could renounce his rights…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
yup, it's like the Boozer rumor preseason
frees up 2010 flexibility and keeps the Bulls competitive for this season in the meantime. The Bulls don’t want Tyrus anyway, he’s not even an asset.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
looks like a no-brainer
Unless the Suns want Hinrich and someone in the Org. is love with Hinrich… oops
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 27, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
this is assuming amare uses his eto
he’s also like salmons in that sense, except for a whole lotta $$$$ more. $17.7mil. if he doesn’t “gel” in those two months, and/or doesn’t get a max offer feedback on the agent’s “feelers”, he could force that $$$$ commitment from his new team. like boozer did.
still a no-brainer?
"Let's do some living... after we die"
Oh shit, you're right.
Amare could pull a a Boozer and lock into his salary for next year, right? That ETO kind of throws a screw into the whole thing.
he could
a) get injured.
b) take a chance in 2011, with fewer competing free agents.
c) not get a team to give him the max. (doubt this one, ’cause some team like nj surely would?)
"Let's do some living... after we die"
you're right; the ETO thing really throws things off
since he’s not a guaranteed FA. and it’s not like amare doesn’t have a massive injury history as it is
For real.
The “goal” is to make the playoffs this season and clear cap space for the off-season, right? Why not just use him as a damn good rental? If we don’t want to pay him the max – which I’m fine with – bring him aboard for the “playoff push” and then say peace out and renounce his rights. Big whoop.
You could convince Bosh to come
to Chicago, Amare might want to hook up w/ Colangelo again, and in Toronto he’ll be the man like he always wanted, do a sign-and-trade sending Amare to Toronto and Bosh to Chicago, but a lot would have to fall the Bulls way, and the organization doesn’t think like this.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Amare could do the all offense thing up there
and Canada has a healthy growing economy. Maybe Nash goes too for Calderon.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
The sad thing about these rumors...
The Bulls will probably end up sending Thomas and filler to NY for Harrington and filler…and that will be their big splash…Which depending on the filer, would help the Bulls playoff push to looking respectable as that young up and coming team….
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Interesting by McGraw
Brown’s primary role figures to be as a replacement for Salmons or Hinrich, maybe even Luol Deng, should the Bulls succeed in making another trade before the Feb. 18 deadline.
Luol Deng? Trade? Yes….. pleeeeease!
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
I'm sold!
The Bulls’ dream scenario is to sign Dwyane Wade or Atlanta’s Joe Johnson this summer and also trade for an elite power forward. In theory, the team would become an instant title contender.
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
i think the key word there is "dream"
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
A dream, a
simple fantasy, that I wish was reality
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
yeah whether it's realistic or not it's really what excites me...
it’s that the Bulls get it.
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
I think they'll get
it, when I see Hinrich wearing an opposing team’s jersey
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
but do they get what to do when their dream falls through?
all signs in their recent history point to no.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
We will get a top tier FA in 2010 This is not 2000.
We did not have a “team on the rise” with Rose, Noah and Dengnin 2000. That is a big difference between now and then. Worst case scenario we sign STAT or Boozer this off-season and make a trade for a SG or draft one. Best case is we sign Bosh or Wade and can do a sign and trade for either Johnson or Boozer depending on who we sign.
Homecoming
your worst case scenario seems awfully cheery.
how’s this for a worst case scenario… we don’t get rid of salmons or hinrich, salmons opts in, we can’t offer anyone a max contract. then what? Prediction: we do nothing, or sign some decent player and Reinsdorf bitches about the economy and says we’ll save our cap room for 2011.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
I don't think they can fail that bad this time around.
I think making a case for the 2000 free agent failure is kinda extreme… first off Krause was being blamed for breaking up the Bulls and MJ was bashing the organization. They also were just really bad.
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
You are a pessimist dawg.
The only other competition for us this off-season is the Miami and the players own teams. Who really wants to play for New Jersey? Real GM just released an article about them trying to make a trade because they know they wont get a top 2010 FA. The Knicks suck and who wants to play in Sota?
The Clippers are infamous for sucking, but might have a shot at someone like Gay at best and could be a good team. Miami will only be able to re-sgin Wade and one other top FA, probably Bosh or Boozer. That leaves us will plenty to choose from.
If Salmons stays he will opt out, their will be a new CBA in 2011 and will probably be a lockout why would he opt-in to not receive a pay check? He or Kirk will be dealt by the deadline anyway.
Homecoming
you are delusional, dawg
you conveniently forgot that these free agents can also re-sign with their current teams for an extra year and 30 million more than other teams can offer them, right?
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Jan 27, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I did say our biggest comp will be the palyers own teams, dawg.
I just don’t see all of the players getting max contracts from their teams. Players like STAT, Boozer and Joe Johnson. I don’t think Bosh will re-sign with the Raps, but I do think Wade and Lebron will stay put.
I just want a bigman who can score and a SG who can stroke it. That is not hope it is called a plan.
Homecoming
I agree that those 3 won't get max from their own teams
they’re probably not worth the max either. But you have to overpay for these guys.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
The Hawks offered Johnson 60/4 last summer and he turned it down, right?
He’s definitely getting the max from someone
Exactally...We will get one or two of those players this off-season
for that reason alone. We just have to hope a team of Rose, Noah, Deng + Boozer or Joe Johnson can compete for a ring.
Homecoming
You also have to look at
player’s situation, Bron might fork over that extra $30 mill just to go to a bigger market, its more than a money thing
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'd think only for NY/NJ
Chicago is one of the bigger markets, but not guaranteed ‘global icon’ launching pad.
(I know M.Jeff discounts that idea, but still)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just happy that they realize that it's about Rose and putting studs around him.
Part of me thought they’d sell the old core and just walk away.
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I think they get "marketing".
They just want you to believe it, and apparently it works.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jan 27, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So you think their just going to let Derrick waste away on a bad team?
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
until he's up for an extension, anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Not "bad", no. Might be good.
Just not great. No incentive.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Bingo
I’ll believe they get it when I see it.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
they'll have to get rid of Salmons/Hinrich + Thomas to sign Wade or Johnson
and then you have nothing left to trade. Deng+Noah is it, and there has to be some kind of roster filling done somewhere, right?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
I take two things away from this and it's simple and obvious
1) Amare is likely number 5 on their wish list this summer. So they care enough to throw an offer out there or two, but really couldn’t care less if the Suns trade him somewhere else. They can say they tried (when in all reality means they did, but not hard). It’s good enough to keep fans’ mouths wet till summer.
2) They value Kurt dearly . . . in their hearts, just not in their plans. I think they honestly believe (and no one can blame them) that with 2 special talents like Rose and Noah, they could continue to tread water and end up with a respectable record, enticing enough to attract the main players on their wish list.
This should be the plan as unrealistic as it maybe be...
1.Lebron
2. Wade
3. Johnson
4. Bosh
5. Amare
If the best player in the game in a FA and you have money you have to make a play for him. That should be the goal. At least try your best. There are better fall back options this time around so the risk isn’t as steep if they fail.
Plus I don’t think MJ is going to taint the waters.
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
Here ya have it
Jerry (Laredo, TX)
If Lebron signs with the Bulls and teams with Rose, can we pencil in another dynasty, multiple championships.
David Thorpe (12:43 PM)
No chance that happens.
William (Peoria, IL)
Come on…NO chance of Lebron picking Chicago this summer? If they are able to move Hinrich or Salmons before the deadline, why wouldn’t they be one of the top 3 options for Lebron? They’ve deffinitely got the best supporting cast to surround him with. Bonafide number 2 all-star? Check. Hard working, hustling, defensive minded, floor sprinting big man? Check. Floor spreading shooter? Well, Deng can be automatic from midrange, but they lack a pure long range shooter…but that can be found almost anywhere. And they are all YOUNG. Zero chance? Really?
David Thorpe (12:55 PM)
Really.
Thorpe has never been particularly plugged in on FA signings and trades. He's
a coach. Adjust your opinions accordingly.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Thorpe has no idea what he's talking about on this stuff
He’s also the guy who thinks Tyrus Thomas and Luol Deng are awesome players, but that’s neither here nor there.
He also
Doesn’t think that highly of Rose maybe somewhat because Rose refused to train with him…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Yes I did
It’s total BS. Rose was actually playing fairly close to the level last yaer to star the year just not showing improvement and didn’t have the quickness that made you wow him….
But still I remember he was in the 20’s….funny.
And all throughout Thorpe’s just been negative, negative, negative on Rose. I frankly don’t get it. Rose is humble (check), ridiculously athletic (check), and competes his ass off (check) for chrissakes, he tied the rookie record for first playoff game scoring, not against some crapshoot of a team, but against the defending champs, who even without KG were better than the hurt Wade team we faced a few years earlier (and swept).
Sadly....through thick and thin....
...right
Rose was playing like crap in the beginning of year and in my eyes and earned the low meaningless ranking. He’s a joke because Rose is playing well now?
Oh yeah!
Thats not what Peter Vecsey wrote!
…wasn’t he really drunk at some HOF speeches this summer?
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
Thorpe:
kind of an asshole? Really?
Really.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
yep.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
He just went to ranking players by PER. If I wanted to rank guys by PER, I would just do it myself. Its like he stopped trying; he has become totally self-satisfied.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 27, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
according to that ludicrous dictum that says any failing you have is fine as long
as you are aware of and honest about it, thorpe seems to know he just gives one word responses and blows off peoples questions and basically makes his employment a farce— he just doesnt care.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
but they don't have the money, not yet.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
It's funny that the general public
is under the assumption that we can already sign a max guy. Even Chad Ford has been spouting stuff about how we can “go for 2 max players.” Um, what? Chad, are you in there? Have you looked at our salaries lately?
Kobe he has (4) rings Lebron has none.
Homecoming
by illwill on Jan 27, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Right
But he might have some Soul Train awards.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
that's a great way to measure someone skills at this point in their careers.
So, Fischer must be better than Rose because of the rings.
It's not any different
than your Kobe/Lebron statement. Why is that one worth entertaining?
Fuck Lebron!
I think he should be checked for steroids anyone seen the size of his head its the size of a normal mans torso. I’ll take Kobe, Lebron is a great talent I know but seeing his silly ass dancing during games makes me hate him. Sorry I know most BBall fans are infatuated with his punk ass I just don’t like him. I really hope he does not get a ring. I know I’m being a hater here but I am just sick of a supposed “King” with no ring.
The Dude Abides
Kobe
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Luol Deng
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Wayne?
What about Dirk?
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
ive gotta admit, im pretty underwhelmed by kobe this year.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
yup, i flagged it
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
here
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't the max
of any of the available guys start at $17.44 mil when you take their MAX salary this year and give them their 10.5% raise. I don’t trust his math…
good question
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'm wrong...
A free agent’s maximum salary in the first year of a new contract is never less than 105% of his salary in the last year of his previous contract. For example, a ten-year veteran free agent who most recently earned $20 million has a maximum salary of $21 million, even if that is above the league-wide maximum. A free agent does not need to remain with the same team in order to receive 105% of his previous salary, although the team that signs him is subject to the same salary cap restrictions as with any other free agent.
Doug is right.
The 10.5% raise
is the max raise based on the 1st year’s value of the contract when you sign with the team that has your bird rights.
I heard yfbb hired lil' Benny the Bull
to run on the hamster wheel.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Joakim Noah is an interesting issue to me. I love the guy... but if he's in fact untouchable I have a problem with that.
By all means they should do what they have to do to keep him with Rose but if the right offer comes up I would be fine with them moving him. What that deal is though… I have no idea.
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
I am all for keeping Noah.
He could be a Starting Center on a contending team. He brings energy works on his game (proof by improving FT% this year) and rebounds/blocks like a beast. I think we build around Rose and keep Noah at least for a couple more years. Most important I like watching him play and the intensity he brings to the table.
The truth of the matter is I don’t think someone is going to trade a star to us that hinges on Noah. Of course if an offer comes by that is lopsided in favor of us that includes him of course we take it. But those offers don’t happen often at all with the exception for the Lakers and Pau Gasol.
The Dude Abides
Thorpe
Wonder why he was so negative on Bron coming to Chi. If it isnt financial, is the Jordan shadow really that big of a deal? I’m not 100% getting that reasoning. How far does a Rose – Joe Johnson – Deng – D Lee – Noah roster get us?
they'd be the Hawks?
a nice little team but can never get over the hump. Kinda like the Cavs of the 80’s to early 90’s?
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
How would they be the Hawks
Rose is far better than Bibby now and probably better than Bibby was even back when Bibby was fantastic.
Johnson’s still solid.
Deng’s a tough matchup especially as the 3rd option he should be
Noah’s all hustle and smarts
Lee’s all hustle and solid on O.
i think we’d ahve a shot, but would prefer perhaps swappign Lee with Boozer in that scenario.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I'm just saying I don't think thats a title team.
Playoff team every season? Yes.
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
I guess it's no
Kobe-Gasol-Bynum-Odom-Artest team…but I would think it would be there with the Magic or especially the Nuggets in title threats.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
We would at least lead the league in rebohnds.
With JJ and Taj comong off the bench we would have a good team, but we would need some help at the G spot from the bench. to get Johnson and Lee would force to trade Kirk and Salmons to afford both players. I thik Lee will command at least 8-10 mill a year.
Homecoming
As far as D-Rose can take us, becaus he would be the unquestioned star of that team
I say they can squeeze out (1) ring with about 5 good playoff runs. I would be satisfied with that.
Homecoming
No, don't need him
trying to cut my salary
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on my money making max options in the cartel
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Sure
I love bosses that I never have to see.
Insight into the 'Dorf's thinking:
I spoke with one executive about Amare Stoudemire and was told that, the way owners are talking now, Stoudemire wouldn’t even get a five-year contract worth $60 million under the next CBA. That sounded crazy to me, but when I spoke with a team owner an hour later, he made the executive sound tame.
"The owners are really going to chop the money down,’’ the owner said. "I think Stoudemire would get $5 or $6 million [annually] in the next deal. The bottom line is that things are going to change dramatically.’’
I mean, that’s obviously the ’Dorf right? It has to be.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:23 PM CST reply actions
COLLUSION!!!
Fuck the NBA if that happens.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's not collusion if it's negotiated in the CBA
I think that’s pretty far on the extreme (Amare at $5M) but if I were the owners I’d absolutely try to hammer down salaries and guaranteed contract lengths. I think they’ve got a pretty good chance of doing it, too.
Yeah. There's going to be a lockout and the owners are going to get what they want.
The real winner in all of this is Rashard Lewis. He’s a good but nowhere close to great player who got the last truly awful contract in the league before the coming death of ridiculously awful deals.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
If NFL player contract are not guaranteed, the NBA will follow suit
No its not
Players will have to play to keep earning. Scoring would drop, as players play even more defense to increase their value.
Although guys will become even more selfish? “I gotta get my shots”
or everyone says screw the NBA and becomes drug dealers
like Corie Blount
I drink your MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!
You really want Kirk Hinrich to end up working in a meth lab?
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by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
that's a top Iowan job placement, no?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty much so these days. : (
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 27, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it will be good.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Of course, does that mean we are going to the NFL way of paying rookies?
John Wall goes 1st to the Nets, he gets a 50 million dollar signing bonus?
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by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Why would they do that? The owners are holding all the cards
they can keep the rookie salary scale (probably pared down to reflect the reality that salaries are dropping league-wide) and also get their reductions in non-rookie salary. The players really have no recourse.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
NFL is getting rid of that too
they are gonna go to the NBA slotting method
I'd hope so, because it's a pretty stupid way of doing business.
As for the NBA, there is no perfect answer. Make all contracts incentive-laden and players will be out gunning for stats. Partially guarantee or hold them to completely non-guaranteed contracts where teams can just freely cut players gives all the power to one side. I’m not an expert, just think the players deserve the chance to get paid as much as they can attain considering they’re the ones putting in all the work.
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by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think the owners
would be able to get non-guaranteed contracts, but they might be able to lower salaries
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
I think the owners are going to get whatever they want. Honestly.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
The only way is see contracts being
non-guaranteed is the salaries remain the same, and if that does happen, the Player’s Union would try to have a cap hit instituted to keep owners from just cutting players
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
I think a middle ground will be reached
first 3 years are guaranteed with options for the rest of any long term contracts.
not to make this a CBA thread
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/1/27/1272015/more-incentive-for-salmons-to-opt
But the Owners do have a point that salaries are not jiving with revenues. The problem with that is that they’re the ones handing out these friggin’ salaries.
They could stop guaranteed contracts right now by not giving out guaranteed contracts. Drew Gooden had an unguaranteed one this season, for instance. They have to ‘protect themselves from themselves’ instead.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
The problem isn't so much that they have to save themselves from themselves
as it is that when operating in a market that permits guaranteed contracts, the incentive will always be to give a guaranteed deal, so long as there is more than one bidder for a given player’s services. If one team is offering you a non-guaranteed deal and the other a guaranteed deal, you’re going to sign with the guaranteed deal every single time. So the incentive is always to give those deals if you ever want to sign anyone, ever. But, if you agree as a coalition in a binding way (the CBA) that guaranteed deals are not permitted, then the players can’t get the owners to bid against each other.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
meh, do some pseudo-collusion
’dorf could lead the way.
I just get a bit perturbed at the owners complaining about their own dumbassery.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
It's not dumbassery in the moment, though. That's my point.
You have to sign guys and in order to do that, you have to make them competitive offers. When you have competition in that way, it leads people to bid up on things like guaranteed versus non-guaranteed contracts. The only way to get rid of the heavy incentive to do that is to remove the temptation to bid on that aspect of the contract in the first place.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
fine
then don’t complain about not being able to void the contracts.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
and if you're going to do "pseudo-collusion", why not just
collude at the outset and make it binding under the CBA? just makes things easier for all owners involved.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Collusion is when all the competitors in the market make an agreement to not compete on certain terms (like price)
But that is, by definition, what must happen when you empower a single ownership group and labor group to negotiate a contract.
That is, by the way, the “Anti-trust exemption” you hear about with regard to sports. If you are going to allow a labor union, which is effectively a collusive attempt by workers, it’s established legal principle that the companies they negotiate must, almost by necessity, also be allowed to negotiate as a group.
To prevent collusion amongst the owners, the NBAPA could decertify itself as a union, which would effectively demolish the whole system and force each team to deal with each player individually with no caps and whatnot.
In many respects, that possibility is the players’ nuclear option if the owners get too crazy.
I would actually prefer this. That way LeBron, Wade, CP3, etc.
would actually get the value they actually provide and leeches like Jerome James would never, ever get 8 million dollar deals.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno, I think Lebron and Wade, etc do great, but you'll still see the Jerome Jame style deals
In fact, there will be no upward limit on it. They’d go back to the days of no rookie salary scale for draft picks, which will lead to absurdities like Danny Ferry sitting out and then signing a 10 year deal. Despite sucking ass.
That sort of thing will be disastrous for owners. I kind of hope it happens.
I get why they want to
I’m just turned off by their rhetoric about players contracts as if it’s the players fault.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
The owners are kind of full of shit
Something that doesn’t get mentioned at all in these articles is the BRI and escrow system. Yes, salaries for individual players can increase by 10.5% a year, but remember that players’ salaries actually have a 10% chunk that goes into an escrow account and gets returned to ownership (in equal chunks via revenue sharing) if the total salary amount exceeds 57% basketball related income (BRI).
Last year, the players returned $191.4M to the league, so if I understand that correctly, every player actually made 9% less than his contracted amount and the Bulls got a check for $6.4M.
One more reason to hate 'Dorf. Unfortunately, though, there
are still tons of teams losing money even though they get that excess over 57% of BRI. Basically, the product isn’t drawing enough revenue. It’s not really the fault of the players, the league is as good as it’s been in a long time, but the demand for the good they are selling is dropping so they have to tighten up their belts like everyone else.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
At that point, however, Billy Hunter can say
“Look, if you have a hard limit on player revenues and you can’t make money in places like Indianapolis, move your team or fold it”.
(I take Indy as an example because I live here and I know the Pacers are somewhat strong-arming the city. I’ve looked into it and i think if the Pacers had been well run, they’d have made plenty of money. I’m not actually sure they haven’t made money anyway).
Contraction would be good for the league.
It’s candy. I don’t eat poop-flavored candy. I’m not going to watch poop-level basketball.
--tyger1147
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. Knock off three awful teams/franchises
such as Minny, New Jersey, and Memphis (yeah I know they’re decent right now) and all of the sudden the parity greatly increases and the game becomes even more entertaining than it already is
given all the talent the league has at this moment (its huge)
contraction would be unbelievable. you actually would have guys like kevin martin and granger as the 2nd or 3rd best guys on their team…. it wont happen under stern though.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
bah...
I was thinking of it as if it were happening this year. Like they were going to try to chop it down this summer. My fault.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I agree
3 year max contracts. That is what we are heading toward. Also many contracts will not be guaranteed.
Gortat, Bass, Carrol from ND, Hedo, Cardinal, Maggette, Charlie V (LMFAO)
Those contracts are gone. Average players will not be getting 7,8,9 million dollar salaries.
don't discount Reinsdorf as an owner ringleader
I don’t doubt that he’s so against paying the luxury tax because he was so firmly for implementing it in the first place.
He even said it himself in that interview about ‘laughing’ at other teams who spend too much money and then cry broke. And he has a point. Wish the smart guy in the room wasn’t ours, though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
This game is kinda a big deal tonight.. everyone watches OKC now.
Audition time.
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I agree
Four consecutive road wins against WC playoff teams is NBA headliner material.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 27, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
I think people undervalue the impact of Joe Johnson
replace Kirt with Joe Johnson and we are a vastly better team.
We are better, but we're also stuck with that team for the foreseeable future and it's not a championship
contender. Locking yourself into 2nd round flameouts is not really what you want your front office to be shooting for.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
You have to at least make it to the 2nd round before you can win a ring.
Once you reach that level you can begin to tweek your team into a championship level team.
Homecoming
Not if you have no cap-space or tradeable assets.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
No way to acquire the scoring PF with Joe Johnson eating up all of our cap space.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
We have no tradeable assets.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Draft picks? JJ and Taj?
If the Bulls dump both Kirk and Salmons we would still have about 6 mill under the cap, which we could absorb in a sign and trade for say Lee. If a player wants to sign somwhere else and they are a unrestricted FA the team pretty much have to accept the trade and get dicked.
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JJ sucks. Taj is mediocre and our draft picks would be mid round picks (not much value).
Lee is going to get WAY more than 6 million. And if you’re giving a max to Joe Johnson, you don’t have space to go after Lee too.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
He will get around 10 to 12 mill around what Jefferson and LMA gets
Taj and JJ plus maybe other filler can make up the money part of that trade. When a player is an unrestricted FA the former team is completely at his will.
Homecoming
The Knicks don't have to help us facilitate a Lee signing. Why on earth
would they want Taj and JJ when they are trying to get guys like LeBron and Bosh? If anything, worst case scenario they will just re-sign Lee. Why bother helping the Bulls out? Isiah isn’t there anymore.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
You have 3 stars
Rose, Johnson and the Combo of Deng/Noah
plus Taj, JJ, Asik,
Every position doesn’t have to be an All-star to contend.
That's a fundamentally different contention than the one I was responding to.
He was saying we could acquire a scoring PF like it would be easy. Rose, Joe Johnson, Deng, Taj, Noah is not a title contender. Especially with the weak, weal bench we’d have.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Rose is transcendent, the Bench can always be strengthened
Again you don’t need Allstars at every position
AI and philly, the Jkidd Nets, Detroit with Rip and Hamilton, Boston with the big 3
Rose’s chin hits the rim!
No, No, his chin hits the rim!
Rose is not transcendent, yet.
The League is much, much better at the top than it was when JKidd’s Nets made noise (reminder: they got smacked in the Finals by the Spurs). Also, Boston’s Big 4 (Rondo’s in there) > Rose, JJ, Deng, Noah
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Joe Johnson almost beat Boston remember that?
And he had Zasa with him. Not Rose.
Claiming Bostons big 4 is better in 2010 is really stretching it (age and injuries)
The supporting cast that Joe Johnson has in ATL is better than
what the Bulls have.
Also, Boston’s Big 4 is definitely better. That could change soon, but then the Bulls aren’t competing with the Celtics, they are competing with the Magic and the Cavs (or wherever LeBron ends up). And the Heat are lurking if they sign another max FA to go with Wade.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
ATL maxed out at 47 wins
Bulls had 49 one year?
The difference now is that Marvin and J. Smith have gotten better and they added Bibby and Jamal (eh, keep him horrible shooter)
We lost BG and Tyrus was a bust.
We’ll agree to disagree. I LOVE your sig though!
This still makes me believe we need to trade Deng
for a SG or PF now, so we dont have to look for both in the off-season. We could always re-sign Salmons to play the SF spot and hope JJ learns how to play in the NBA.
Homecoming
You've still traded a hole
at SG/PF for a hole at SF. I don’t see why that’s preferable. If anything, due to the rarity of height, it’s easier to find a replacement level SG than a SF. Salmons isn’t the long term answer at any position.
The Bulls should absolutely target a PF this summer.
Marvin Williams ain't
that much better
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not if I frame Demarcus Cousins for armed robbery, and the Bulls pick him in the 2nd round!
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
the blame goes to you all
nobody signed up for a game preview. The thread stays!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
game preview -
oklahoma city thunder! chicago bulls! kevin durant! derrick rose! thabo sefolosha! taj gibson!
revenge!
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by marionette on Jan 27, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rose and Taj named to All-rookie Game!
I expect Rose to be picked by the coaches. Damn that AI voting may cost us an All-star.
yup
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/1/27/1272331/rookie-challenge
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
The Bulls need to offer Deng, Tyrus and a 1st rounder to the Suns for STAT and J. Collins.
Then make STAT sign an extension. The ship Hinrich, Miller and Pargo to the Rockets for T-Mac and Lowry. That way we still complete for a playoff spot this year and have maximum cap space for next year.
Then we would only have to focus on Joe Johnson or D-Wade. Or we could try to ship Deng to the Kings for K-Mart and focus on a perimeter player this off-season.
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There is nothing like a Kirk Hinrich trade rumor to screw up my day.
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