Creating Cap Space While Staying Competitive: What should the Bulls do now?
Great win last night. The team's current play is leading me to wonder what the best plan should be going forward to balance cap space and talent. Even with the addition of Devin Brown, trading away Kirk or Salmons for expiring contracts is likely to lead to a reduction in talent, and in turn, the prospects for a playoff birth are significantly reduced as well. The benefits of last year's epic playoff series are not difficult to spot. It forced the young Bulls to grow up. Rose - once over his early-season injury - has been lighting it up, and unafraid to take on late-game leadership. And then there's Noah, who after turning it on in the playoffs, has been an absolute beast this year - foot injuries not withstanding.
While playoff seeding is unlikely to be a major factor - Cleveland, Boston, Atlanta, and Orlando are all quite formidable, and the Bulls won't be any higher than 5 seed - some additional playoff experience would be a serious boon to the Bulls young players, as well for free agent marketing efforts. Also, with 40 regular season games still remaining, you never know if the Bulls might find themselves in an another auspicious matchup, like last year's KG-less Celtics.
Plain and simple though: the Bulls need to make the playoffs. On the other hand, going into the summer without the space to sign a max free agent nullifies the "sacrifice" the team took on this year by not resigning Ben Gordon or any of the other 2009 free agents (way to go Detroit, really made out big with Charlie "ET" Villanueva).
There are really only two options that management has going forward:
Option A) Hope to god that John Salmons continues to shine, and that he will opt out of his player option for 2010-2011:
After an absolutely abysmal start to the season, Salmons has shot a highly respectable 49% from the floor so far in January, and his season 3PT% has rebounded in a big way as well, sitting pretty at 39.3%. If these numbers continue, it is possible that he will enter free agency in an attempt to net a multi-year contract - likely the last major contract of his career. If I am John Paxson, I am also talking to Salmons on a regular basis to get a gauge on his thinking with regard to his option prior to the deadline. Salmons opting out likely represents our best chance at securing a playoff birth this year, and cap room for a max free agent this summer.
Option B) Make a trade:
What follows are the trades that I see as most realistic and reasonable assuming that the goal is to maximize 2010 cap space while essentially maintaining talent level for the current season. With Miller already expiring, and Tyrus's value likely quite low at the current moment, I have only explored trades involving the backcourt.
Hinrich and Salmons have both been doing their parts to raise their respective trade values, however, I see Salmons as the guard most likely to be moved for an expiring contract, mostly due to his reasonable salary and potential opt out. In spite of Hinrich's recent play, it is unlikely that anyone will take on his inflated multi-year contract in exchange for an expiring contract, let alone an expiring contract that leaves us with a decent team for this year. Additionally, while undoubtedly overpaid, Kirk's defense, leadership, unselfishness, and - of course - thrust should combine to make him a valuable - if overpaid - role player on a contending team (hopefully next year!).
Trade Proposal 1a: Johns Salmons & Jerome James for Mike Miller & Javaris Crittenton OR
Trade Proposal 1b: Kirk Hinrich for Mike Miller
I start off with this proposal because it makes the most sense for the Bulls. Mike Miller brings to the table everything that this Bulls squad needs, and is an expiring contract. He is a tall guard (6'8") capable of playing and defending both wing positions, and he is a career 40% shooter from long range. He is generally very efficient from the floor, and contributes nicely in dimes and boards as well. The only downside is that he has been fairly riddled with injury this year, only playing in 15 games to date. But he appears to be fully recovered at this point. If the Wizards would take Hinrich's contract, then I think trade 1b is a no-brainer. The Bulls might miss Hinrich's ball handling and court vision, but Miller is a true wing player, who can contribute in areas that Hinrich cannot. Plus it would be a legitimate coup to get Hinrich's salary off the books for a serviceable expiring contract in Miller. In the case of trade 1a, the Bulls would immediately cut the embattled Crittenton, and Miller would probably come off the bench in a similar fashion to Salmons. This trade def initely satisfies both conditions for the Bulls in that they gain cap flexibility while staying competitive for this year.
The Wizards are in a state of disarray, and it is impossible to know what they will do before the deadline - but rest assured that they will do something). For years, the Wizards have been weak at shooting guard, with DeShawn Stevenson their primary starter for the past five years. Miller should have been the piece that pushed them over the edge (along with a healthy Arenas and Haywood), but this year has taken a decidedly terrible turn for the worst. Suffice it to say that their season is essentially over, and Miller is not in their rebuilding plans. If they void or trade Arenas, then I could see them taking on Hinrich, as he is a "good guy" and a solid point guard. Though Foye has played nicely in Arenas' absence, he's more of a 2-guard. If they trade Caron Butler, then perhaps they'd look favorably upon Salmons. Who knows?
In the end, I would say it is unlikely that either of these trades go down, but they are within the realm of possibility, and either of these trades would represent the most favorable situation for the Bulls going forward.
Trade Proposal 2: John Salmons for Kyle Korver (expiring) and Kyrylo Fesenko (expiring)
This deal would actually save the Bulls a few thousand dollars this year, as well as opening up cap space for a max free agent this summer. At 6'7", Kyle Korver, like Salmons, is capable of playing either wing position. More importantly, he is a career 40% three point shooter, and more comfortable than salmons in the catch-and-shoot game. While not known for his defense, he should be a more than capable backup shooting guard behind Hinrich, and his size alone should be enough to bother half of the leagues SGs. He has played well in limited minutes since recently returning from injury. I actually have no idea who Kyrylo Fesenko is, but let's hope he's as good at standing and cheering from the bench as dearly departed Aaron Gray!
Not sure if Utah bites . The additional ~$300K in salary definitely could be a deal breaker for them, as they recently traded away promising rookie Eric Maynor for financial reasons, and are actively trying to shed salary. However, the Jazz are not especially talented at shooting guard, and Salmons might be just the kind of "impact" player they're looking for. With Utah currently on a roll, and looking to make a deep playoff run, management might be shifting its focus somewhat, and could welcome the additional depth in advance of the post season. Korver is a "one trick pony", while Salmons provides steals, rebounds, assists, and solid defense in addition to three pointers and scoring.
Trade Proposal 3: John Salmons for Luke Ridnour (expiring)
This trade works financially, and perhaps in principle as well, but the big X-factor here is that it is a intra-divisional trade. Ignoring this issue for a moment, Ridnour is (in my estimation) essentially a Hinrich clone, though a bit worse on the defensive end. Having Ridnour backup Hinrich (and Rose) would essentially give us a full 48 minutes of Hinrich - not all together a bad thing. His three-point shooting for the season stands at 40%, and I believe that this trade would not lead to a demonstrably worse Bulls team for the remainder of this season.
For the Bucks, Jennings is their point guard of the future, and they likely will not resign Ridnour this summer. Though Ridnour has played well for the Bucks this year, Michael Redd's season-ending injury has left them weak at shooting guard as they attempt to make a playoff run. The Bucks are only a few games back, and would likely welcome a play maker like Salmons.
However, the Bulls and Bucks will be fighting each other for the rest of the season for the last few playoff spots in the East, and neither team's GM is likely to pull the trigger on a deal that could potentially lead to a rival's playoff birth at the expense of their own team's. Still, in theory it's not a bad idea (in my humble opinion).
Trade Proposal 4: John Salmons for Roger Mason (expiring), Theo Ratliff (expiring), and Malik Hairston (not sure)
Roger Mason is a long wing (6'5") capable of playing both wing positions and can shoot the three (39.6% career average). He is only playing 20 mpg this year, but has proven to be fairly capable when given more minutes (such as filling in for Ginobili at the start of last season). Ratliff and Hairston would be little more than a salary equalizer, but given the Bulls' plantar fasciitis woes, maybe Ratliff could find himself playing some spot minutes. ESPN show's Hairston's contract as having one more year, but HoopsHype shows next year as a team option. His 2011 salary would be less than $1mm though, so either way the Bulls save enough to sign a max free agent this summer. The Bulls definitely lose on the talent side of this trade, but at least they gain a quality 3 point shooter known for his late game heroics. Between Mason and the newly acquired Brown, the Bulls should have just enough backcourt bench talent to squeak into the playoffs.
Not sure if the Spurs go for this trade or not. Roger Mason is a good role player, but Salmons has the potential to be a legitimate game changer (when he's not clanking shots off the front of the rim and killing ball movement). You also have to factor in the frailty of the Spur's backcourt starters. Parker is battling plantar fasciitis, and Ginobili is constantly injured, so Salmons is good insurance. Like their starters, Salmons plays well with the ball in his hands, and his three point shooting (if he can maintain it) would also fit the Spurs well. For a contender (if we can still call them that), Salmons is a hell of a guy to have coming off of your bench.
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go for amare
I think the Bulls should try hard the Kirk and TT for Amare trade. I would even put a 1rnd pick to do it and here is why: we get a very good PF (i’m not entering the all-star o not discussion). Then it is free agency time. It’s 16 million free. Can we get the Superstars? Sign them. We can’t? Re-sign the man and a good free agent like Ray Allen to SG for one or 2 seasons (And then we go for for Durant). That would be: Rose/Allen/Deng/Amare/Noah – if we don’t get anyone better to sign. I really like TT but if he is going to be behind Taj, just trade him
If Salmons doesn't opt-out, the Bulls won't have the ability to sign a max free-agent
and stay under the cap…not looking good right now considering the season Fish has had so far.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jan 26, 2010 10:10 AM CST reply actions
i saw a quote from him
that said he would still consider opting out even if he had a poor season. plus he’s playing a helluva lot better.
he also may be aware that this is the best time to get one more longer term contract even if it’s for less – he’s 30 this year so he may be able to get a contract for a decent number of years – whereas if he takes the risk and has another down year next year, he may struggle to find what he wants.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Also a new CBA is on the horizon for the 2011-12 season, and
the players’ salaries could go down again, thats another reason Fish could opt out, if I was him I would seriously consider opting out, 1 more year at 7 or have a shot at a 3yr $12-$15 deal before the new CBA
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 26, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
It's so risky to just hope Salmons opts out
Like the deal ideas, but think the Spurs deal is the only realistic one. Ridnour’s been fantastic, Jazz can’t take on more money, and I can’t conceive the Wizards taking on money either.
Also have an issue with this:
If I am John Paxson, I am also talking to Salmons on a regular basis
Pax: Fish, can we talk about next year?
Salmons: Talk to my agent about that
Pax: a-a-a-a-a-agent???

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 26, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions
Agreed on all fronts
Probably should have said “If I’m pax I’m talking to Salmons’ agent on a regular basis.” But the point is, he should at least try to feel out the situation ahead of time. And yes, very risky to base the next 10 years on Salmons’ decision.
Regarding the trades, I literally went team-by-team, and without expanding it into a bigger deal, these are literally the only ones that made sense. I’d also be wary of disrupting team chemistry right now with a trade that wasn’t a slam dunk. And I don’t think Amare or Bosh will be moved before the deadline.
I like the Spurs proposal....
Make that trade and then trade Tyrus and a lottery protected draft pick for Anthony Randolph, Anthony Morrow and Devean George. We’d have Morrow’s Bird rights and could sign him in the off season to a reasonable deal if better alternatives don’t prevent themselves, and George expires too. Randolph is still on a relatively cheap Rookie contract for the next two years, but would be a great bigman off the bench. If nothing happens this summer, we’d have:
Rose/Hinrich
Morrow/Mason/Hinrich
Deng/Johnson/George
Gibson/Randolph/Noah
Noah/Miller/Ratliff
I guess I'll be the first to Rec.
You’ve highlighted the most critical debate of the season – not that you’re the first to do so. But I think you’re the first person to run through every player on every team to determine the Bulls’ options for obtaining cap flexibility through “minor” trades. Nice post.
Thanks. Much appreciated.
Realize that I’m not really saying anything new, but I think in light of the team’s recent play, the idea of making a multi player “impact” trade is becoming less and less desirable. The best situation would be one that frees up cap space while allowing us to continue to tread water until the summer, and hopefully still get a playoff berth. We can build around Rose, Noah, Deng.
i like the general premise here
i wouldnt really worry too much about messing up this great chemistry here though, as you stated in a comment. chemistry or not, this is a 500 team as currently constructed, and most of this team isn’t in the organization’s long term plans. i tend to worry about things like chemistry more when you actually have a contender built, not when building one. right now the main goal should be moving salmons and/or kurt for expirings, and bringing devin brown (who isn’t great, but is better than freaking pargo) on board makes this easier. losing kirk or salmons will definitely hurt on the court this year, but with the bottom falling out for teams like new york and, to a lesser extent, milwaukee, it really shouldn’t be that hard to make the playoffs.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
also dallas could be a potential trade partner
dampier has a confusing contract that appears like it will be fully unguaranteed next year. i know dallas likes dampier as a defensive big, but would they turn down a package of kirk and tyrus for damp? again, we would suffer on the court this year, but i think we should consider anything to get out from under kirk’s contract. dallas is getting a major talent upgrade there, and/or we could even potentially work out a buyout with damp so they could re-sign him.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
one last possibility...
kirk to the lakers for fisher, farmar, and mbenga. fisher and mbenga are expiring, farmar’s up for a QO after the year, so we could re-sign him or renounce him. I’m not sure the lakers would do this deal though, as they seem to like fisher and farmar (even though fisher is awful)
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
morrison and fisher for kirk would work too
morrison is like farmar, up for the QO after year, so we would simply renounce him. the problem with this alternative is that we’d be adding about 700K to our salary this year, which I think would put us over the tax, so another move would have to be made to shed some money this year (which shouldn’t realistically be too hard, but knowing this organization and their fear of that dreaded tax line, may be a deterrent.)
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
I don't see the Lakers doing it, as much as it would help their title hopes
Hinrich’s owed 17 million the next two seasons. Add in the luxury tax, and the Lakers would have to pay $34 million to swap Fisher for Hinrich.
i was operating under the premise that the luxury tax is no object to them
they after all, use their record profits to actually pay for a winner. unlike some teams…
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
You know what might work...
Hinrich and Pargo for Vujacic and Morrison.
By trading for Vujacic (and his $5 million contract next season), we eliminate $10 million from Hinrich’s pricetag. The Lakers would have to pay $1.2 million more in taxes this season, but the total cost to them would be $25.2 million for two years of Hinrich instead of $34.
As for the Bulls, we get a usable piece for Hinrich this season, and we shave off $3.5 million from our payroll next season, putting us at $34.2 million even if Salmons opts-in, leaving plenty of room for a max FA.
by YaoPau on Jan 26, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And for the luxury tax reason, trading Kirk is a near impossibility
Houston would be a great trade partner, but I doubt they eat up their cap space with Kirk/Salmons. Dallas would be great too, but they are over the tax next year, meaning they’d be paying $26 million for two years of Hinrich.
I didn’t go team by team, so maybe I’m forgetting someone, but I think the Spurs and Cavs are the realistic shots.
cuban has more money than god
i dont think he cares about the tax. whether he thinks kirk and/or salmons would put them closer to a title is another matter, but i really dont think he cares about what his tax bill would look like
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Just posted a similar deal below, but instead of Fisher I included Morrison.
I bet they’d’ like to keep Fisher around in a backup role since he’s experienced and has been known to make many clutch threes in his time. That, and Morrison never plays.
Hinrich is untradeable...
until he improves his numbers across the board. He has shown flashes of his former self, and when he’s on game he’s at least a starting point guard and top notch defender. Salmons and Thomas are probably the easiest to move. I think for one reason or another, Deng, Hinrich Rose and Noah all stay. Everybody else should be made available (fo rthe right price.) Miller and James should only be included in a trade for expirings or good to great players in return .
I am not so sure
Kirk is much better than Fisher. I just don’t know if the Lakers would pay the price
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 27, 2010 6:09 AM CST up reply actions
i like trade number 2 and 4 the best
i like korver and he would be a nice option off the bench cuz he is a shooter, and roger mason is pretty clutch which helps out rose more than anything else…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I would keep Salmons over Kirk
Fish is a better scorer, and at this point he’s more important for a run.
Just saw ESPN has the mock draft running: If NJ gets John Wall, does that entice Lebron? The summer of 2010 is going to be so fun, and some fanbase is going to be devastated.
I predict it
will be the Knicks’ fanbase that will be devastated
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 26, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
My plan:
First trade: Hinrich to the Lakers for Farmar, Morrison, and Powell (all expirings). Farmar would be a respectable backup for Rose, and we’d get Kurt’s salary off the books.
Thoughts? For the rest of the season, it would leave us with:
Rose/Farmar
Salmons/Brown
Deng/Salmons/JJ
Taj/Tyrus
Noah/Miller
I think that team still makes the playoffs in the East, and then we have guaranteed room for a max contract in the offseason. We would be at ~28.7 mil in committed salary for next year even if Salmons opts in, so if the cap is as low as 52 mil, we’d have $23 mil in cap space to offer a max contract plus another sizeable contract.
Second trade, if we really want to go all out: we could then deal Salmons to the Wolves for Brian Cardinal. Cardinal sucks, but he’s expiring. Our rotation would look like:
Rose/Farmar
Brown/Pargo
Deng/JJ
Taj/Tyrus
Noah/Miller
I’m not sure if we could squeak in the playoffs with this roster, but I think it’s worth a shot. Dumping Hinrich and Salmons for expirings would put us at ~23 mil in committed salary for next year, and if the cap is at $52 mil, we’d have $29 mil in cap space to use. This isn’t quite enough for two max guys, right? But, if the cap is at $54 mil, we’d have $31 mil in space. Would that do it? Either way, we could sign a max guy for sure and then get another really high-level player with the remainder of our space.
Thoughts? Would you people do this?
Even if this resulted in
Joe Johnson + David Lee, I’d be pretty stoked about our team.
Rose/Joe Johnson/Deng/Lee/Noah? That’s a ridiculously explosive backcourt and probably the best rebounding frontcourt in the NBA with Deng/Lee/Noah all great rebounders for their positions. Our bench would suck, as all we’d currently have on the roster would be JJ and Taj, but you’d think we could attract some decent vets. Problem is, we wouldn’t have the MLE, would we? Cap experts, I need your help here.
I also just realized that there will be a cap hold for our first-round pick, but we could always deal that for a future pick instead.
Nope no MLE
"I skim a LOT of what gets said here
in a race to put in a smirky retort."
-your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
I wrote a bit above in this thread
That Hinrich to the Lakers for expirings won’t work, because the Lakers will be above the tax the next two years, meaning 2 years of Hinrich will cost them $34 million. LA Times wrote that the Lakers front office wouldn’t do it, and I can’t blame them.
As for Salmons for Cardinal, the T’Wolves gate receipts are down 1/4 from last year as it is, so I’d doubt they want to add another $6 million in payroll, especially when they have no shot at the playoffs this year or next.
that L.A. Times link is broke
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 26, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
The journalist trick
Now we have KC Johnson talking about the problems with Stoudamire and Sam Smith saying Kirk makes the team better. But they don’t say if the Bulls should or should not do the trade. So that if the Bulls make the trade they can say I told you! In his office Pax and Gar think: oh my, what should we do?!
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 27, 2010 6:49 AM CST up reply actions
You outline the threshold issue and get a "rec"
This is our dilemma over the next few weeks. My hope is that Paxson knows Salmons is going to opt out and we stay put. None of the trades appeal to me.
I think that the Bulls should look to move Hinrich before Salmons (if either is possible).
Here’s why: neither of these guys are going to be part of a long-term solution with Rose. Salmons could opt out, but at the very worst he’s only here until 2011. Kurt, on the other hand, is here forever unless we can salary dump him. We need to free up that cap space.
I haven’t looked hard into who might like Hinrich in a salary dump. I think the Celtics might be interested for the right package of expirings (Scal and Tony Allen comes to mind).
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 27, 2010 1:54 AM CST reply actions
I actually thought about including that Tony Allen and Scal deal.
The reason I didn’t is that it definitely makes us way worse this year. Tony Allen would have to play major minutes, and if you think Kirk or Salmons has struggled from 3 point range…suffice it to say I’m just not a big fan of Allen (but maybe it’s just because he plays for the C’s).
I agree that in a perfect world I’d move Hinrich first, but unless the Wizards are dumb or the Lakers are willing to take on his salary, I just don’t see it happening. Not in today’s NBA of operating losses and economic hardship.
Tony Allen is like
Ruben Patterson and Desmond Mason, guys under 6’6" w/no guard skills, overrated defense, and can’t make a basket outside the paint.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
And Scal should be at some local YMCA getting dusted by rec league scrubs.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 27, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
so you are saying we shouldnt resign them after their contracts expire this year?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
How to trade Kirk:
Make some team hire John Paxson.
Pax offers whoever he has for Kirk – the love of his basketball life.
Trade done.

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