Aaron Gray dealt to Hornets for Devin Brown
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 2:30 PM CST
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According to Marc Stein, and Adrian Wojnarowski.
Solid nothing-for-something swap, Bulls need anyone to take (making said shots is a secondary goal) shots off the bench.
And since the Bulls are so close to the tax line, this matters: Sham lists Brown having a 10% trade kicker, which puts the Bulls a little over $200k more in 2009-10 committed salary.
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Nooooooo
why is there an asshole on my wheaties box?
by SoulEater7 on Jan 25, 2010 2:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
what do you mean no?
This absolutely means more is gonna happen. Jerry’s not gonna stay barely over the tax threshold.
no
obviously you love Aaron Gray
by La Marc Gasol dridge on Jan 25, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
love your name; its in the yaopau vein.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Well let's face it. Brown will have to work hard
to give us as many jokes as Gray
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 26, 2010 6:03 AM CST up reply actions
who doesn't
My Facebook group “I support Gray rights” is going to be devasted.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
Is Devin Brown any good?
He’s one of those players I know absolutely nothing about
Neil takes the fun out of funk
he hit like a million 3's on the Bulls a few months ago
but i have no idea if he’s good… I’m pretty sure he can play though more than gray.
why is there an asshole on my wheaties box?
yeah he had a really good game against us heh.
i mean, considering he knocks pargo down one notch in the guard rotation, i’ll take it lol.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jan 25, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Oh yea, that's right
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 25, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
I guess
At least he’s been playing 25 mpg…on an average team….vs Gray who can’t crack a rotation…and plus is an opponents run waiting to happen.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
he was decent like
5 seasons ago
True Story: John Salmons sucks so bad, Tiger Woods wants to meet him
hey, why not
I get to put my hope into a new player.
fine by me
From the perspective of a season ticket holder since 05'
by Bulls Mouthpiece on Jan 25, 2010 2:33 PM CST reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY HAVE THOU FORSAKEN ME
Oh, you said Gray, my mistake.
Honestly, I thought Gray was going to last longer on the team than Noah.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Aaron Gray era has ended in Chicago
I see bad days ahead for the Chicago deep dish pizza industry. Business will take a hit.
Doesn’t Devin Brown wear a headband?
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 25, 2010 2:34 PM CST reply actions
between this and the Saints
it’s a boon for the New Orleans economy.
I think Brown does wear a headband. Over his eyes when he shoots.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no headband rule
the empire strikes again
True Story: John Salmons sucks so bad, Tiger Woods wants to meet him
Wow, I thought Devin Brown was a lot better than his numbers indicate.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownde02.html
He’s slightly better than Pargo, which only makes the 2 million dollars guaranteed given to that sack of shit even more pathetic.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 25, 2010 2:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Big advantage of Devin Brown: not a crazy person
His 20% USG looks great in place of Pargo’s 25.9%.
actually, he is sort of what was expected of pargo. he will seed these random 20 pt games
in his field of crap.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
check that.. maybe not!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGWXXMaXcTI
why is there an asshole on my wheaties box?
Blame David West
that was D that Amare could envy.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
It was early in the game
Some guys check in on time, but they don’t start playing until later.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
David was pretty much an additional pick on that play. I like how he just stood there and watched him. No inclination to do anything about what was going on.
I say like..
fitting with the times… the economy and the Bulls.. well we did it, we made our big trade for a shooter!
why is there an asshole on my wheaties box?
id feel numb
cuz i would be drunk as hell after
True Story: John Salmons sucks so bad, Tiger Woods wants to meet him
LOL That's our all star!
All praise Brown!
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 26, 2010 6:07 AM CST up reply actions
Nice trade.
We’re really thin in the backcourt, and this frees up Kirk or Salmons to leave. Moreover, Pargo’s just been unspeakably bad this year. Every moment he’s out there, he hurts us.
Adios, Aaron.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Indeed, this hopefully is a precursor to a Kurt or Fish trade,
with Brown becoming the 3rd guard in the rotation.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 25, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
stein story
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=4857249
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 2:41 PM CST reply actions
In spite of its recent improvement, Chicago has been looking for perimeter help to help fill the void created by Ben Gordon’s free-agent departure to Detroit.
Brown is averaging 9.7 points, 2.8 rebounds and 1.5 assists per game this season. He’s averaged 7.9 points per game in eight seasons with five NBA teams.
Wow.
True Story: John Salmons sucks so bad, Tiger Woods wants to meet him
The scary thought is
that Bulls management could actually think Brown replaces BG
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 26, 2010 6:10 AM CST up reply actions
This is crazy White Panther is wanted throughout the NBA... whyyyy?
I think Denver tried to trade for him.. what the hell is going on?
why is there an asshole on my wheaties box?
New Orleans is trying to get under the luxury tax line.
This brings them 100K closer.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 25, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
that's small change though
maybe they felt stiff-longing (um…) after dealing away Hilton Armstrong.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Panther + CP3
might suprise people
True Story: John Salmons sucks so bad, Tiger Woods wants to meet him
This is definately like trading
a bag of poop for a bag of pee.
Jokes aside tho, I don’t think trading Gray was smart, especially with Noah trying to recover from plantar fascitis. Im no doctor, but after reading a little bit about it it seems that taking it easy this season would be a smart thing to do. Especially since big men are hard to find and most of them have foot problems because of their size. Noah, just added massive weight in a matter of 2 years which is hard to do especially while keeping his speed in tact. This guy runs! And that adds another factor to his importance to this team with Rose at point. Gray isnt the best, but keep him for the year or trade him for someone to take pressure off Noah. Im completely cool with Noah playing 1/2 of the rest to the games remaining so that he can be ready for the postseason. (and no Brad Miller is not enough)
Like im said, im no doctor but this trade baffles me. Of course, if we get a big man in a couple weeks, I will call the front office smart
True Story: John Salmons sucks so bad, Tiger Woods wants to meet him
They love his
“Vanilla Twist” spin move
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 25, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
That soft serve stuff
melts before he touches it.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Cue "Candle in the Wind"
goodbye fat white stiff / although i never knew you at all…
Devin Brown better be able to act in those funny UC videos
or this trade is a net loss.
by YaoPau on Jan 25, 2010 2:47 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I believe APM incorporates such things? :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
heh, no D
Salmons may be earning that designation back, now that he can shoot again
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
I like this trade.
I like this time of the year.Hopes up.Let’s do more trades!
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2010 2:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If things goes like this our next trade would be
Pargo for Francisco Elton… yey!
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 26, 2010 6:14 AM CST up reply actions
The only interesting thing about Brown is he's worn 23 and 33 his entire career.
What will his jersey number be? The suspense!
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How about 40 - for his career shooting percentage?
by peruvianidol on Jan 25, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Hey oooooo
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
32, of course
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Amare
will wear #00 and like it!
The Beatles. The Fab Four. The greatest band of all time. John, Paul, George and Scottie Pippen.
Aaron was a caged bird in Chicago, now he's free to spread his wings and fly!
Neil takes the fun out of funk
aaron...
doesn’t have wings anymore. he slathered on the hot sauce and ate them.
by leeac on Jan 25, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
He seems
more of a blue cheese guy
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 25, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The best part of this is we don't have to watch Pargo anymore.
Brown at least brings legit scoring punch off the bench. Pargo took shots (which he missed).
This is pretty much a win-win for us. Scoring off the bench with some 3 point range; expiring deal; no Pargo; clears the way for a trade of Salmons/Kirk; the deal expires; Gray wasn’t doing anything for us.
So…I’m geeked over getting Devin Brown.
There must be a support group for this.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Yup, that's the way it sounds. No more Pargo = Great for Bulls (and their suffering fans)
Neil takes the fun out of funk
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
that's exactly how i feel
he knocks pargo down in the rotation… i’d rather have brown’s “instant offense” than pargo’s.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Until Kirk or Fish go
In which case both Brown and Pargo are in the guard rotation….
Yay! Better offense! And some defense!
Ahh.. just when I thought we might see some White Panther action tonight against the Spurs
I like Devin Brown, though I really don’t know much about him, except that he has to better than Pargo.
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
I hated Aaron Gray.
I’ve never seen someone talk so much shit just for being on the same team as someone else who happened to do good. Whether it was Rose breakin’ Andre Miller’s ankles, Tyrus Thomas dunking on Jermaine O’Neal or something else*, that dude stared guys down despite doing absolutely nothing except being over 7 ft tall and 280 pounds.
*I’ll forgive whatever he was doing in the picture above because it’s against the Celtics.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You forgot too
That in his rookie year Boylan was smart and didn’t play him one time and he berated Boylan because he put all this work in and this was the reward or something like that….
And then they played him and save for that ridiculous game I think against the Pacers where it was like 149 to 139 or maybe it was the Bucks and nobody cared and Aaron had almost a 20-20 night, he was just a run waiting to happen—and I guess was a run that night…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Bulls play N.O. on Jan 29th.
Yes the Gray V Brown revenge game!! OMFG, I can’t wait!!
Out coaching VDN, so easy a cave man could do it.
by ssheth12 on Jan 25, 2010 3:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Tonight's Game
Is there anyway to watch a free, streaming version of the game tonight? Thanks.
Look for links on the game thread.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Jan 25, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe the Bulls do miss Nocioni fouls?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ePUbBPlDQs
why is there an asshole on my wheaties box?
A major deal has to be coming right?
The biggest problem with dumping hinrich (which I am apparently the only bulls fan that likes Kirk) or Salmons was the lack of depth at guard. Adding Brown at least gives us the opportunity not to demand a guard in return, right?
perhaps, shipping one of said guards north of the border for a center/pf type player?
I like Kirk
Piccolomair like’s Kirk….
We just need changes….I’m actually more for trading Deng (higher value, better player net something with an expiring in return) than just trade Kirk for crap and watch him regain his value….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
im kinda ready if kirk gets traded
its not gonna be a stab in the heart the way it wouldve been in years past (BG GOT KIKED TO FIRST B!^(#ES) ahem….however i believe the bulls want to, can, and most likely will land bosh ( i think he wants to be here as much as we want him here ) and in that sense i can see bosh taking up luols “space” on the floor…I think the bulls get rid of kirk and then add joe johnson, and to me thats lacking unless we do the al jefferson trade or something for a big man….i think its impossible to actually trade both kirk and deng, and if i had to choose one, i say get rid of the more expensive player who is probably gonna lose his “space” on the floor and have his skillsets duplicated by bosh or amare.
Of course if wade comes out and says "hey im considering leaving miami (doesnt even have say the name chicago) " then i say bye to kirk without hesitation (also any trade that gets rudy here) but i believe wade will stay in miami and lebron is going to new jersey, new york or staying in Cleavland….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Like Kirk too but
he’s too much of PG. And I do think we get something better for him. Specially if we can trade him for someone good plus get a great free agent
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 26, 2010 6:17 AM CST up reply actions
Wow
I think I like our team a bit more already….
Glad to see them rid themselves of a useless overweight too slow to play Euro-leaguer for someone who ain’t great but can hit the 3 and actually fit a need to a degree.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
it's actually
very unlike the bulls to recognize a need and fill it. something fishy going on here.
by leeac on Jan 25, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I don’t know about that….it’s strange they make a trade, but when they do it generally is for something…I mean last year we needed another big, they got it, we knew Deng wasn’t 100%, we filled that, and in the process brilliantly worked out a deal to take on a player the fans loved but who had a horrible contract that was getting worse by the minute….and 1 player who was hurt all year and hurt when we traded him and wasn’t nearly consistent enough to be counted on for us….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I don't understand this trade at all
how are the Bulls going to attract free agents this summer without Gray on the team? Do we even have a plan!!!!
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 25, 2010 3:37 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
re-sign
aaron gray in the offseason of course. duh. this time let’s wrap him up with a multi-year with a players option.
I like it
I’m can see the bigger picture. Gray will be our big free agent that we sign this summer.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Has to mean the Bulls have a destination for Salmons
Salmons, J James/Miller and draft pick for Amare.
Then the Suns can sell the pick for $3million.
how giddy?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I wish we could have traded Gray for something a little more colorful
But I guess Brown is a practical color when all’s said and done.
Yay! Better offense! And some defense!
by wjb1492 on Jan 25, 2010 3:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Not be Pargo?
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
by Jbasic89 on Jan 25, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I suspect that Gray may have said something that prompted this trade
Maybe with Noah and Taj having Plantar, and Miller being 50, he asked if this meant he’d get some minutes. The Bulls told him no, so he asked for a trade.
Without the white flag, I’m not sure how i’ll know when a blowout is official any more.
Can Brown play PG? He’s 6’5 and seems to have alright dribbles. If he can’t play point, then this does nothing to help with getting rid of Hinrich. Devin is aggressive on defense, which makes up for being good at it, to a degree.
According to shamsports
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/playerProfiles/profileDisplay.jsp?id=395
He can play PG, SG, and SF, though he only plays SG well.
So, when does the news come out that Gray has voided the trade...
Because he signed the QO, he has the right to reject the trade because it will cause him to lose Bird Rights.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 25, 2010 4:34 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Ala the other Devean
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
good call, nobody mentioned that
I assume he didn’t else it wouldn’t have gotten this far.
And he appeared happy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt he would...
Because the trade means he might actually get some playing time…and really, what do Bird Rights mean for a minimum salaries player who is lucky not to be in the D-League…
But, as a Bulls fan, you never want to get too excited about bad for less bad trade…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
He should be happy
Because he might have a shot to get another minimum contract if he can get some playing time….as it was in Chicago before the trade his NBA days were coming to an end after this year.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
The "best GM nobody knows" fleeces the Bulls
Aaron Gray was the only NBA 20-20 man. Devin Brown is just filling up his closet hoping that bet with Joe Smith pays out a winner.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
Let the CP3-Aaron Gray Alleyoop era commence!!!!!!
The White Panther will be dominating top ten lists for the next decade.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Meh... Still bored
They have been playing great lately and getting some wins, but I’m still bored. And this trade doesn’t change my spirit. I prefer having Brown than Gray on the team, because it means Pargo – why we signed this guy again? – will not play at all unless someone gets hurt, but I was expecting something bigger… How many days to the trade dealine?
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
now im bored
True Story: John Salmons sucks so bad, Tiger Woods wants to meet him
by Belize on Jan 25, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
from biggest to smallest player
heh
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You never know
Maybe Pargo will break out now that the fear of being eaten by Aaron G. is gone.
All your base are belong to Vinny.
devin brown is horrible
i hate that guy. he jacks up shots he cant hit and seriously is just downright terrible from everything ive seen
Turns out he can hit those
shots now. He’s bigger and better at D than Pargo, actually shoots less than Pargo, and can hit an open 3. No reason to dislike this trade when the only minutes he steals are from Pargo.
Unless their’s a trade, in which case he’s not much worse than Salmons this year.
no reaso to hype up brown
he sucks, its just true…the thing is…hes not pargo….and just for that fact hes worth it…its not so much about what brown can do ON the court, its about who he can keep OFF the court…and he can keep pargo off the court….i hope…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
How is it hyping up Brown
to say he’s better at everything than Pargo is? You pretty much just restated what I said.
And my reply was to someone who said Devin was horrible, and that’s the only exaggeration here. I said he’s slightly worse than Salmons this year, in what universe is that considered hyping up Devin?
This is a great trade
This is a good guy, hard worker, nice shooter, and can create his own shot….in addition to that he is averaging close to 10ppg, thats higher than Taj Gibson 9p, Brad Miller8p, Tyrus Thomas7p, and Pargo so I say this guy is a contributer.
This trade could very well mean that Salmons is on the way out (possibly with Tyrus) in a bigger trade to come……we’ll see!
Is he gritty and tough too?
and a nice guy ? He better be all those things or Niel Funk is going to hate him. He also better not be short.
by JockstrapNoah on Jan 25, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Why aren't more people talking about this as Salmons insurance?
This is fantastic news if it means we’ve got a deal lined up to dump Fish’s contract on someone. I’m excited to see what happens out of this.
This is what I thought as soon as I saw it. The Bulls big man depth isn't great
and for them to make a move for another rotation level wing and weaken their big depth immediately made me think they were planning another move. Either that or they at the very least want it to be an option without losing too much by salary dumping Salmons or Kirk.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 25, 2010 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Nice. I just thought it was on that pretty much
the first 100 posts of this thread were Aaron Gray jokes, when as soon as I heard about this, all I could think was, “Wow, maybe Gar PaxDorf is actually posturing to dump Salmons?!?!” I’m intrigued to see what happens next, but if I were a betting man I would think at this point they are doing everything they can to get rid of Salmons for any type of expiring now that we have some passable insurance (yeah, Brown sucks, but he’s much better than Pargo getting those minutes). It’s also nice to see the Org. has recognized how bad Pargo is and this hopefully means we won’t see him on the court anymore unless it’s a massive blowout.
If they could get the TWolves to bite on a straight up Cardinal for Salmons swap, that'd be a great deal.
Although I think Salmons makes a little less than Cardinal, so given the razor-thin luxury tax margin the Bulls are working on other players might need to be thrown in (I’m looking at you, Pargo or Lindsey).
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 25, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
But the Bulls are trying to make the playoffs
I don’t think they’re going to do a trade that obviously KOs their chances of making it.
I honestly don't think Salmons is that valuable. I think if you plug in Devin Brown
for his minutes things drop off maybe a little, but they likely still make the playoffs.
Here’s the comparison for Salmons and Brown over this year.
Sure, Salmons is better, but is he so much better that you can’t plug Brown in and still make the playoffs? I’m not sure. The only other major issue and reason I could see the Bulls not doing it is because Salmons is playing much better now than he was at the beginning of the season, whereas Brown has dropped off from a relatively hot start for him. But they shouldn’t be fooled by a run of very good play from Salmons. He’s still the same guy he always was, he’s just as likely to go through another slump as Brown is to continue slumping. They are quite similar players, only Brown is a more natural SG than Salmons, which is where he’d be getting most of his minutes and where Salmons is currently playing out of position.
Their career numbers tell a similar story. Devin Brown is a shade below Salmons, but he’s a pretty good approximation of him at a much cheaper cost and so if you can deal Salmons for an expiring deal, then I think Brown makes Salmons much more expendable than he otherwise would be.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 26, 2010 2:42 AM CST up reply actions
I just think the context of those numbers are very different
Just like everyone on the Bulls got easier shots when playing with both Rose and Gordon, Devin Brown got better opportunities by playing with Chris Paul, and before that, Lebron.
So I acknowledge the stats, but i think they’re showing Salmons in the worst possible situation for him and the Best possible situation for Brown.
I agree that Brown makes Salmons more expendable, but I don’t know that the Bulls are going to take that sort of chance.
They may not take the chance, but I think they should.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 26, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
I think salmons could hold down the 3
if Deng were moved this season.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jan 26, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Agree with all above - good trade but the real question is what is next?
I believe Devin Brown hit five 3 pointers in the New Orleans game December 26th against us IN THE FIRST HALF. That is about the same number of 3 pointers Pargo has hit all season. I was at the game and Brown was phenomenal. Sure that probably was a fluke but it is better than Pargo. An aside – Pargo and I am not exaggerating, hit 30 straight shots in practice that game and I would say 20 of them were three pointers. He gets in the game and clanks his first shot, a 15 footer.
The real issue now is what the next trade will be. My money says it is Salmons or Hinrich and this trade makes you suspicious it is Hinrich. It also appears Paxson is not giving up on the season. We give up nothing and get something – no way we lose on this one.
He's hit the 3 at 29.8% since then (17/57)
But yes, better than Jannero – 15/56 on the season (26.8%).
Yay! Better offense! And some defense!
by wjb1492 on Jan 25, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One parting thought about Aaron Gray
Career Per36: 12.4 points, 10.6 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.9 blocks, 49 FG%
Career PER: 12.4
Career TS%: .512
Career APM: -1.94
He’s not an NBA starter, and his general look and vibe was that of a stiff, but his numbers weren’t bad.
Now he goes to New Orleans, which is perfect for him. Slow paced team, great PG, a PF who can score, and nobody else close to 7’ tall. If he fails here, no more NBA Aaron Gray, but I think he’ll do alright for them.
by YaoPau on Jan 25, 2010 5:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Aaron Gray cannot score at the basket, this is a detrimental skill when one wants to play center in the NBA.
I actually think he’s a worse player for shedding some weight because the only reason he was able to use his post moves was because of his fat ass backing people down.
Could he conceivably play 5-10 minutes in spot duty? Sure, but then again there are a dozen D-Leaguers who are also capable of that opportunity at an even lesser cost.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 25, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
He has a bit of a post game
49.2 FG% on close shots last year, better than Noah and Tyrus. I agree he’s not good at it, but with a better point guard, and West clearing out some room inside, who knows. Chris Paul turned Tyson Chandler into a 12ppg scorer.
I really do want to see Gray catch lob passes
I think he can bring down the whole backboard.
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
two years ago fans were begging for gray
cuz he was the closest thing to a post up center we had in years…but his utter lack of athleticism really hurts him…i dont think hes a bad player, but maybe he wasnt cut out for the nba….hey at least he can say he made it….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
IMHO, Aaron did not work hard enough
to get substantially better, maximize his size advantage and develop better post skills.
Aaron couldn't say no to food. Simple as that.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 26, 2010 2:43 AM CST up reply actions
If he can even make it to 36 minutes
career fouls per 36min: 6.8
12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Less than a 15 PER for a big man is usually a sign of suckitude
I’ll go down as saying Gray has the talent to be a starting center in the league. Unfortunately he’s also got the talent to win professional eating competitions. He never really busted his ass and got in great shape.
So this trade is basically saying.. damn we shouldn't have cut Byars.
why is there an asshole on my wheaties box?
Yup
Or New Orleans is saying “please someone take Okafor’s contract, we will even risk playing Gray to get back in the lottery”.
Or, "We shouldn't have signed Jannero Pargo."
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 25, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
and hey, at least the Bulls are recognizing some of their screw-ups:
Noc’s extension, signing Pargo for the bi-annual, etc.
on a negetive note
they create their own screwups….they make the mess, they clean it and then they look to us as if they accomplished something….
Its like me saying i want a faster better computer, so u come in, and break the monitor, then half a year later u replace the monitor and u look to me for a cookie or something…YOU BROKE IT TO BEGIN WITH U JACK@$$…so im hoping after replacing the monitor u also put an order for other parts to make the computer better….im hoping this trade is a precursor to a bigger trade…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jan 25, 2010 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this trade because it means that Kirk, Salmons or even Deng are gone.
I just hope the next trade is a great one. This trade was a good trade, something to help us make a playoff push, but nothing more than that.
Homecoming
leave it to DougThonus
to bring up the ‘how does it effect James Johnson?’ angle:
Brown will get his minutes by having the Bulls go small costing Johnson his reserve role. Pargo will be absolutely buried as well, but he was already absolutely buried so nothing has really changed there.
He’s probably right. Though I think that most of Brown’s minutes will come from Pargo (he wasn’t ‘absolutely’ buried if he did play once in a while) and reducing the workload on Kurt.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 6:43 PM CST reply actions
I hope it means Kurt or Salmons is traded. But yes, Doug (and YaoPau) love James Johnson way too much.
The dude is 22 and he’s pretty crummy.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 25, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Does anyone really even care about JJ at this point?
Look what the Org. did to Tyrus, and he was way more talented than JJ is. Plus, this season is all about keeping up appearances (with another low-seed cameo in the playoffs) and creating necessary cap space for a max free agent. If we do both of those things, I’ll be pretty content for now.
by Illini15 on Jan 25, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The belief that JJ is anything more than a body at this point is irrational. He has looked terrible whenever he's been on the court.
He’s got a 7.5 PER and he’s 22 years old, so it’s not like he has this huge vast reservoir of untapped talent. He might get better. He might get a lot better. But history suggests he’ll be pretty crummy.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 26, 2010 2:49 AM CST up reply actions
It is not like he had tons of opportunities
The guy probably didn’t play 48 minutes if you add all his minutes
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 26, 2010 6:21 AM CST up reply actions
I suspect JJ Jr. gets some minutes at 4
Noah looks iffy from here on out with the plantar problem.
Miller is not going to play like he did the other night too often.
Taj is going to foul out sooner rather than later.
Tyrus is Tyrus.
JJ Sr. is too fat and might lose insurability if he gets on the court.
And now Gray is in New Orleans.
Gray
I’m gonna miss watching his reactions to great plays while riding bench all year; he was the team MVP in the regard.
Gray will be the T mobile player of the
Just for being traded
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 25, 2010 8:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
oops forgot "week"
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
From Devin Brown's persepective
He probably is happy to be in Chicago.
He almost got dealt to the Twolves in December, but bucked the deal himself. At that point he knew his days in NO were numbered, so going to Bulls is better than Minn.
In terms of playing time he gets, he may not be happy (unless Kirk/Salmons leaves the team in next three weeks).
All your base are belong to Vinny.
*uhmmmm, "perspective"
I’m still all worked up after having my internet down for a while.
All your base are belong to Vinny.
Johnny Red
is rolling over in his grave
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
Did Brown and Gray pass their physicals?
Surprised no one has yet commented on the Bulls/Hornets trading colors.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
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