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Clippers 104, Bulls 97: As long as nobody's ever out, we're OK. Whoops.

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
Chicago 101.0 96.0 44.0% 18.7 22.4 12.9
LA Clippers 103.0 49.4% 28.0 23.9 14.9

 

In a game with Kirk Hinrich's 'thrust' (now Stacy/Neil are using the term) lacking, and Salmons out with the flu himself, Jannero Pargo needed to fill the void. He had 3 points in 16 minutes.

In his glorious return to the states this season, Pargo is shooting 26.8% from 3-point range, has the lowest TS%, AST% and (nearly) REB% of his career. Sporting a PER at 7.3, an especially damning number for a guy we know isn't adding much defensively.

Maybe this is how Jerry Reinsdorf buys loyalty? Sure, Pargo doesn't really belong in the league, and yet they gave him the Bi-Annual Exception (which, yes, means they can't use it next year if they need it) when the league minimum (or a non-guaranteed deal?) would've likely sufficed. The money difference isn't that great, but it matters a lot to a team so close to the tax threshold that they can't acquire any more depth.

But that's a short-term loss, what the Org. has in the long-term is an appreciative and loyal employee for life. I'm starting to think this is how the VP, GM, and Coaching hires were done too.

In the meantime, it's hard to expect any wins with any of the top-8 hurt or sick. That's a tough draw when on this road trip, and the Bulls have now already lost the most winnable two games.

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cracking up when i heard Stacy say something about Kurts thrust. This was not a good game. The officiating sucked. There had to be 5 blatant fouls on Bulls players that they didnt even call. Probably a bunch more but these 5 im refering to were blatant. Then you have the clear cut walks by both Ricky Bobby Davis and the Red baron. Why cant refs just call a fair game. how about that TT dunk? I mean that was the most clear freaking foul I’ve ever seen.

Dont laugh but i wouldve like to see Noah last night at the 4 ( to try and negate the Camby factor, think camby had 40 rb and dusted off A Gray to try and body up Kaman.
Also why didnt they throw a double team at Kaman its pretty clear he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed..

TT played well which was nice to see but Kurt missed a truck load of shots, Way to much Pargo, Id rather give Hunter a try (he’s to dam old to hoist up 20 shots in 16 minutes) The bench on this team is a complete joke. Why does Vinny insist on subbing in people so often. sometimes guys just need to play together for a while to get a flow going but it seems like he’s completely oblivious to this.

The officiating though was my biggest gripe, they were freaking terrible. Did anyone notice at around the 7 min mark in the 4th when Ricky bobby drove the lane and screamed and the refs called a foul? you could hear the players talking and Noah was yelling at the ref and was like " Why cause he screamed? cause he screamed?

This trip is going to break this team. We get no ref respect on the road and we havent for about 10 years now. its very disappointing. the only thing i can think of is its cause of 23 and company. Theres no other exp.

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 21, 2010 9:14 AM CST reply actions  

Funk and King

said there was a ref out there they’ve never seen before.

The good news is the officiating doesn’t really get any better or worse with unknown refs.

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Jan 21, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe there's been too many ref injuries?

http://twitter.com/RUBasketball/status/8007008795

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 21, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Both he and Neil

Have been saying Kirk’s Thrust ever since Vinny started to use it (the start of every game since Kirks’ been starting). I’m surprised nobody else picked up on that.

I wonder if they’re all puppets…Vinny’s being asked to say thrust too, as it’s awfully odd/peculiar that the color commentators would follow suit on that….

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Process, thrust, attack!

48 minutes of intensity...RIP NVL.

by Lt.Dan on Jan 21, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I pretend they're mocking him

so I can pretend to a bit of sanity.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jan 21, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Sam Smith

also said it in his latest blog

by rick_ross on Jan 22, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Sigh.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.

by fundamentallysound on Jan 21, 2010 9:25 AM CST reply actions  

It would be great if this Pargo guy would...

"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose

by E-Grizzle on Jan 21, 2010 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

pass the ball from time to time.

(oops, hit enter)

"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose

by E-Grizzle on Jan 21, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

play baseball

you know, instead of basketball
really any other sport.
Hey, wait, maybe THAT’s why they signed him! he’s gonna be a two-sport star like MJ.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jan 21, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Suddenly morph into a

$2M Ben Gordon…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Lack of creativity

Why not try a lineup like this: Rose, Deng, Johnson, Thomas, Noah?

Whey you have your two SGs experiencing flu symptoms, why not try something drastic and different for a game like last night? Kirk was 0-7 from the 3 point line… How do you give a guy recovering from the flu who obviously doesn’t have his legs under him 37 minutes??? I’m not sold that this lineup would work, but I would rather have Deng play the 2 than Pargo! I admit that Vinny doesn’t have many choices, but when injuries happen you need to make adjustments and he still isn’t doing that pro-activity. To me, his lineups are predictable, and show an utter lack of creativity.

by 72-10 on Jan 21, 2010 9:36 AM CST reply actions  

It's Del Negro?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 21, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah I guess it should just be assumed

that there will be no creativity in his lineups.

by 72-10 on Jan 21, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

oops

I was trying to say let’s not put such high standards on our coach. I’d just be satisfied with him giving our best players the most minutes.

by diedaily23 on Jan 21, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

too late, I gave you a rec

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 21, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Once that lineup came in to start the 4th, I knew it was over

PG Pargo
SG Kirk
SF JJ
PF TT
C BMiller

Hindsight is always 20/20, but given Kirk’s offensive struggles last night, you simply could not afford to have that lineup in a game we desparately needed given the teams we play next. I’m not saying you play the starting five the whole game, but Pargo replaced Kirk late in the 3rd, apparently so Kirk could give Derrick a breather to start the 4th. It needed to be the other way around, so Derrick could start the 4th and Kirk could eventually return with Deng.

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan

by PeteRoc on Jan 21, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

i actually found that to be the best use of pargo

at least then he is bound to pass the ball at least once, i actually thought pargo played his best game of the season last night (all around), i mean it was still a bad game for him, but it was his best bad game? (i never did watch his stellar 10 point performance) When the game started, other than looking uber skinny i thought hinrich looked alright, but at the 9min mark in the first quarter, when the clips called time, they showed the bulls huddle and hinrich looked the way he does at the end of games, and i knew then it wasnt a good sign. As the game progressed u could see him fall more and more to fatigue, at the end of the game he just looked horrible. JJ was actually a good option to play either the 2 or 3 last night,

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Jan 21, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I never thought of that

but it’s funny/tragic that the best place to put him in a position where he would be ashamed to shoot first.

by diedaily23 on Jan 21, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

Pargo did have that one game early in the year where he scored like 12 pts in about 3 minutes as he used to be apt to do and we were in dire straights for some offense help…I thought we won that game, but it could have been the Brad Miller Nuggetts game, it was really early….so can’t remember…

But that was the game I thought, good if we continue to use Pargo like this in the “all else fails” mode then maybe he’ll help us a bit. But injuries have happened so we’ve at times overplayed him,a nd well Pargo ain’t even playing like Pargo….

Which is like saying Aaron Gray ain’t even playing like Aaron Gray (I guess that’s true cuz Thankfully Aaron ain’t playing)….why we resign guys is beyond me, I mean Aaron was going for a contract extension that nobody offered at the minimum and you can see why, he’s back to his rookie and beyond weight again…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Pargo

elevated his game to the “sucks” level.

by El Toro de Goro on Jan 21, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw that lineup and wondered, WTF?

And hoped Pargo would somehow catch fire and not be too bad a defensive sieve. But they backed him down and posted him, so a worn Kurk came back in.

Loul at the two would have been nice to try. They lost the game anyway.

All your base are belong to Vinny.

by BCs71 on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

VDN makes subs

because he thinks it’s an actual coaching skill.

It’s true he’s more a victim of a horrible roster, but he does make questionable subs, like taking out the team’s best players when the other team is making a run, or putting in inexperienced guys when the Bulls are cutting into a lead.

But the Bulls biggest problem is they are such a jump shooting team. When the Clippers lead went to 11 early in the 4th, I said, “kiss the baby.” They have so many stretches where they have 5 or 6 scoreless possessions in the 4th and they just can’t afford such long streaks because they don’t have the consistent scorer or a guy who can get to the line frequent enough to make up for those droughts.

by kingj41 on Jan 21, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather have a hurt/sick

Hinrich out there than have those 37 minutes go to James Johnson (even if Johnson believe it or not hit at least 2 shots)…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying for a whole game

but mix it up… try Rose, Deng Thomas, Gibson, Miller… anything but a lineup with Gimpy Kirk and sucky Pargo at the guards!

by 72-10 on Jan 21, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree there...

I’m for mixing it up more….

I just continually wish Pax and Gar got the axe….if they can’t get the max guy next year, they should be goners….I don’t care how much we improve, we won’t be there and Pax has had too long to mire in mediocrity and below mediocrity…..

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah 2010 or bust for the Garpax monster

If they can’t deliver a good FA then this team could potentially being very mediocre for a long time… and I agree that VDN does have his hands tied a bit… we can’t even sign a D leager!

by 72-10 on Jan 21, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Frankly

I’m more than fine with all 3 of them going.

Vinny’s a rookie and at times it shows, technically he’s in his second year, but 2nd year at any level as a coach, but coaching the NBA, that’s a rookie still….I think he’s shown some promise, but am tired of us being the org he gets his feet wet, especially when it seems he’s been one foot out the door since day 1 and was a temporary filler…..

Gar is a total Paxson Toaddie, likely also with Jerry too. All I know about him is he 1) didn’t nip any of the Vinny stuff in the bud when he should which is crap even if it’s true, there’s no harm in silencing it right away, it certainly doesn’t help our org potray itself as a premier team for the 2010 max FA to come. 2) He lied to the fans about BG point blank for no real reason (he cuold have said it is our desire to explore options with Gordon….that’s vague enough….but he didnt’. 3) He overpaid for Deng…not as dramatically as he could have, but still for a team with such dramatic needs, I give him the criticisms for why Deng (who was on a 6 yr $58M deal at the Pax negotiations, moved to 6 yr $72M after being mostly hurt and having a down year when healthy….that’s a fail, even if Deng’s solid….

And Paxson…hmm. Didn’t trade Donyell Marshall and the #7 pick to the Raptors for rights to the #4 pick in the 2003 draft. I know we got Hinrihc (who for a time was a great value for his pick) but come on we could have had Bosh or Wade and Paxson had eyes on Wade…. Signed Ben Wallace to that contract, which in itself said, hey I’m going for it, I know that didn’t work out, but I would be more fine had he not traded young pretty valuable Tyson for some real value (Expiring Brown and JR Smith) but then he kept PJ Brown as the one year, publically disgruntled—though a pro—player and let him expire which was bad for us long term. Then he allowed Skiles to dictate to trade Smith to the Nuggs for the rights to Eisley who we released immediately so we COULD BRING BACK ADRIAN GRIFFIN?

Paxson let Skiles dictate the players, focusing on less talented players on a very young team and having him make them seem better when they were younger because they played his system….this caught up to us when they flat-lined, costing us years….and then we let Skiles go making it worse.

He for some reason hired Skiles lead assistant on an interim basis when it was told publically that the team had given up on Skiles and that’s why Scott was terminated, so we hired Skiles best friend of the past what 15 years who was his other voice in the coaching staff to coach…..Boylan not only didn’t know how to coach and wasn’t ready as a head NBA coach (despite having years of experience) but he proceeded to not run the team, let the players decide suspensons, and most eggrariously let the old veterans play instead of the rookies/young players on the foolish idea that we 1) would make the playoffs without playing the talent and 2) that even if we had made the playoffs by some miracle Paxson would bring him back….wasn’t gonna happen.

I know Pax had D’Antoni….he had him that was an almost good that JR f-d up.

I know Pax worked out the big Miller-Salmons trade, so that was good.

But Paxson also hasn’t made the moves when he could have and should have….I’d have to think he could have worked out the Kobe trade, because of all the press, I bet you the Deng issue stalled it, which is ridiculous, anyone could see aside from the marketing that Deng was always going to be a less than ideally athletic 3 for his spot, poor ball handling SF, in a league with at least 3 premier premier SF’s known at the time (Anthony, James and Pierce) and many others with more athleticism and skill…..

The Pau Gasol trade thing sucked, we wallowed 2 years + on that and it was only in the 3rd season that Memphis balked because they wanted to rid a bad contract….

I can’t blame him on KG because I think we offered a far better trade than Minny, but Pax didn’t play with McHale….

And the biggest thing, it’s been what 6 years of Pax and like his bro before him, the ONLY thing he’s really done well besides keep us out of the luxury tax is draft Derrick Rose instead of Michael Beasley….and that was a pure gift….

If he can’t fix this this summer then Jerry, please fire him immediately.

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

maybe you should write a fanpost of the GarPax monster's history

just saying you’ve got a lot of material there!

I agree with most. I think there are some things we don’t know about for sure… like I thought that Toronto declined the #4 and Marshal for #7 trade offer. My memory on that is hazy though. I also think we don’t have all the info about Gasol… Something else went down there because I though even our low ball offer was better than LA’s… collusion? Or maybe Pax screwed it all up. I don’t know, but I don’t think anyone else really knows either.

Regardless, I’m ready for the org to move beyond the Pax era too. Let’s take some risks and try to win!

by 72-10 on Jan 21, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I will probably wait until after Feb 18th....if we're still looking screwed.

Regardless of the benefit of the doubt on some of them, that’s a lot of benefit of the doubt when we’ve waited 6 years + under the Pax regime….and well 12 years post Jordan….

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I do have to say

This team… and the ones that Pax created preceding it… have all been better than the Floyd years…. so I give him credit for that. But at some point you have to say “screw mediocrity” and go for a the win or you start losing your fan base.

by 72-10 on Jan 21, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

We’ve been better mostly because there has always been a reason to want to see the progression (we’ve definitely been more interesting) Esp because we’ve had all these young players with some upside and they were more blue collarish, hard working young players that is easier to relate to as a fan.

But then we got Rose and remembered what a real no holds barred talent can do to make you forget aobut the thrust and the grittiness….and Pax hasn’t changed in his philosophy despite having our team wallow…despite having one of the best talents in the entire league and emerging youg superstar…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

id wanna see

rose hinrich salmons deng noah

don't let the bed bugs bite

by Rex Grossman on Jan 21, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pissed at myself for staying up and watching that game

It was one of the most unwatchable games yet this season. It got slightly better with Tyrus and Noah late dunking (finally) over the porous Clippers.

I wish the Bulls had a closer. Someone who can shoot consistently. Someone who averages 20pts a game and can get hot at any second and bury Js, and when he isn’t hot at least is a threat on the wing to open the lane for easy drives to the hoop. Hmmm.
I think I’ll have Biscuits & Gravy (BG) for breakfast, and shed a few tears in them.

All your base are belong to Vinny.

by BCs71 on Jan 21, 2010 9:42 AM CST reply actions  

Maybe agreed

But last night it was Vinny’s fault for giving a guy who just had the flu so many minutes.

by DRose01 on Jan 21, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Announcers were finally pointing out obvious

Bulls live or die by jumpers. Go to the basket! Bring in a coach that will force this team to get shots near the hoop and i’ll be happy.

by DRose01 on Jan 21, 2010 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

Vinny is trying

that is the definition of “ATTACK!”

by diedaily23 on Jan 21, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

“Come Derrick, ATTACK!!”, “Kirk, give us some THRUST!!”,

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 21, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Defiantly white Kirt played a good game

He should get a pass for his shots being a little off vs the Clippers because the man was very sick, he lost 10 pounds from his illness and it shown on him. That’s energy and strength lost. Kurt deserves no criticism IMO, he’s clearly made this team better since being a starter and he still played decently under the circumstances. Also had Vinny gone to TT earlier we would have had a better chance of winning. I don’t think alot of you realise TT was used primarily in the pick and roll later in the game where he flourished, hitting open jumpers, and attacking the rim against the defenders. If Vinny were smart and not trying to diminish TT’s role, he’d be the main guy in that play and Noah would be positioned closer to the rim to rebound or get the easy dunks. This would play to the Bulls strength which is our athleticism as opposed to hoping Deng and Salmons will be go to one on one guys. Considering Rose was off, Kurt was sick, Salmons was out, and Pargo played alot, we still almost beat a pretty decent team at home. It was a good performance from the guys.

"We can settle this like you got some class, or we can get into some gangsta sh..."
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by Mr Rhythm on Jan 21, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

He would've

missed those wide open shots even if he didn’t have the flu.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 21, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Kurt wsa moving well on defense

True story: the flu only hurts you on one end of the court.

12/31/08: Fire Vinny Del Negro.(upd: 1/7/10)

by NBA Observer on Jan 21, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

eh

he looked slow on defense, and wasnt really doing a good job of bodying up anyone, and after each defensive possesion you could see him start drooping out of fatigue, i think it was more of preference of when he was using the majority of is stamina. On offense he was struggling with his shot, and everytime he drove in he was tossed around like a rag doll, at the very least his strength wasnt there on both ends of the court, its just on the defensive end he can get by on wits alone, but on offense he was clearly lacking the legs to do much….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Jan 21, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

IMO, the Bulls should've

dusted off Aaron Gray and went to hack-a-Kaman late in the game, its a bush league strategy, but the Bulls need wins by any means.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 21, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

I agree. Gray can give us something

Fouls, boards……uhh…..fouls, the “Vanilla twist” move is nice visually, and with more practice it may even be effective. Free the White Panther!!!

"We can settle this like you got some class, or we can get into some gangsta sh..."
Goldie from "The Mack"

by Mr Rhythm on Jan 21, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I wish

Gray could finish that “Vanilla twist” spin move

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 21, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know,

Watching Kaman and Gray dueling vanilla-twist-a-rama all over the place is like sticking needles in my eyes.

All your base are belong to Vinny.

by BCs71 on Jan 21, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Trust me

The White Panther vs Napoleon Kamanite would be one of the all time great head to head match ups.

"We can settle this like you got some class, or we can get into some gangsta sh..."
Goldie from "The Mack"

by Mr Rhythm on Jan 21, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it'd be Kamanite vs

Vanilla Thunder. Panthers are quick. Every time Gray takes a step the stadium shakes.

Also every second you count until you hear that thunder…is another second closer to losing that game cause Vanilla Thunder is on the court.

"Freeze it!... now roll it!" -Stacey King, greatest analyst ever.

by WalmartSecurity on Jan 21, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL Vanilla thunder

"We can settle this like you got some class, or we can get into some gangsta sh..."
Goldie from "The Mack"

by Mr Rhythm on Jan 21, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Problem is

Even a terrible coach like Dunleavy would know to just run the pick and roll with Baron Davis and Kaman, and Aaron would time and time again play the dumbass by trying to stop Davis at the FT line (which he can’t do) then double back and either give up the add one to Kaman or to Davis….

He’s too slow to run the hack a Kaman, and well he’s too undisciplined defensively to not fall into that trap with a great PG like Baron.

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Gray is only in the line-up

to foul Kaman in the 4th before the 2 minute mark, thats when you can foul players off the ball w/o it being called intentional

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 21, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I posted this in the game thread, but figured I'd post it here.

Alright, I’m normally not one to complain about a loss. I think the bad calls that refs make tend to even out. I think just about every home team pipes in noise so in the end that evens out too. But tonight I watched the Clippers feed of the game using league pass and there was some real unprofessional behavior by the broadcast team at the end of the game.

During the time out before the deciding play (Bulls down six with a little under a minute left) the camera caught Vinny drawing the play on the white board. And they focused on the whiteboard. Then the color guy then proceeded to explain in details what the final play would be. Minute or so goes by and the ball gets inbounded to Thomas in the post who immediately looks to throw it to a three point shooter (I think it was Hinrich). Thing is, Kamen was right there to intercept the pass. Almost like he knew the play. Even with a few seconds delay there was plenty of time for that information to get relayed to the clipper bench.

I’m not saying it wasn’t poorly designed play. I’m not saying it wasn’t drawn up by a totally in inept coach. It probably was destined to fail no matter what. However, the point is, it should have failed on its own merits. They shouldn’t be focusing on Vinny’s whiteboard during a time out, and the color guy definitely shouldn’t be explaining the play in detail as Vinny draws it up.

There was plenty of time for someone in the locker room or in a luxury suite to hear the broadcast and convey it to the bench. Then it just takes one shout to get Kamen in the right position.

(as unprofessional as it was, the Clippers announcers were still a thousand times better then Neil and Stacy)

by silentpete on Jan 21, 2010 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

I know there is a lot of Funk Hate around here...

but I’m surprised by the Stacy hate! I’m not a huge fan of his, but he has grown on me a little over the last year.

by 72-10 on Jan 21, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll agree to that

Stacey was good when he was in the Kendall Gill roll after games on CSN.

Then they moved him next to Dore and Kerr and he was abysmal, probably because he actually added some points and (although I loved Kerr he was slipping) Dore was awful….and the unit was a mess.

Then the first year with King and Stacey I think early on he tried to still overcompensate because he was used to Dore and was really bad….

Now I don’t mind Stacey, he’s funny, his points are mostly good. He’s not the greatest, but he’s solid.

Neil Funk has a great voice, is far and away better than Dore….but well can’t see….and that’s a problem

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Kerr started slipping a little after his wife died

It was a real shame… he was great back in the day! But he was ill, and aging. I actually really respected what the org did for him the last few years… remaining loyal to him and his family. I’m convinced announcing those games kept him going for a few more years. Elderly people tend to live longer when they lead active lives, especially when they lose a loved one.

by 72-10 on Jan 21, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed as well

I always loved Kerr and well wish they had honored him a few years earlier….

But at the end there it was rough, especially because they kept Dore to make things worse. Dore was far worse than even the aging Kerr….and then they added King to the mix to try to analyze things and it was really painful (plus our team went into the crapper when we were supposed to be very good).

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought the announcers were bad also

One in particular looked like a arrogant little prick who I’d like to back hand slap across his face. I think the best announcers I’ve seen have been the New York announcers and I forget the other city’s announcers, but they (whoever they were) were actually showing enthusiam at the good plays the Bulls made. Game announcers should be neutral in the play by play IMO, enthusiasm and discussing what the home team is doing is different though.

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by Mr Rhythm on Jan 21, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The title of the post is spot on

We’re an ok team with a full lineup, but will not win many games with any of the first 8 guys out (well maybe Brad because he’s been mostly awful). Even with a full lineup, this is a team that will be around .500 or so. I say they steal one of these road games that we would think they wouldn’t win (maybe Phoenix?) and other than that they will lose on the west coast swing like they usually do.

Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls

by bigballa10 on Jan 21, 2010 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

Our bench would be better if we got the 5 best guys from the D-League and traded our 5 bench guys for them.

That’s a problem. Especially since WE CAN STILL SIGN THOSE D-LEAGUE GUYS.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jan 21, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure we have the money to sign anybody

Maybe one D-Leaguer, but even that is cutting it close. If we trade Salmons/Hinrich for a smaller expiring though, I’d love to mine the D-League of a few of its most talented guys.

by YaoPau on Jan 22, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a comparison

Kirk is the Koske Fukedome of the Bulls, they both can defend multiple positions solidly, aren’t good offensive players, and make too much money for what they do, I want both players off my team.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jan 21, 2010 3:22 PM CST reply actions  

Koske Fukedome?

Who is that and why does his last name look like a beligerent word?

"We can settle this like you got some class, or we can get into some gangsta sh..."
Goldie from "The Mack"

by Mr Rhythm on Jan 21, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Jannero Pargo and Lindsey Hunter

Isn’t it great to have 2 third-string point guards on the roster?

by benhertz on Jan 21, 2010 6:36 PM CST reply actions  

What will the ramifications of a death spiral be?

This trip and the following games will actually be interesting. Odds are there will be a long, long losing streak.

Will that make the Bulls less likely to trade Kirk and Salmons, more likely to trade Tyrus in an attempt to make the playoffs? A yes answer means you can kiss a max deal FA goodbye for next season. But we’ll see.

I assume VDN stays no matter how bad it gets at least until near the end of the season — when/if the Bulls are eliminated I imagine Myers interim coaching becomes more palatable to them then.

Will missing the playoffs result in any other changes? VDN will be gone for sure (which may not be the case if they did make the playoffs and his 3rd year is guaranteed.

Will missing the playoffs result in any front office changes? Probably not…I guess the job is Gar Paxson’s as long as he wants it. But still…maybe he’ll give up.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 21, 2010 8:12 PM CST reply actions  

I was at this game in L.A

The biggest need we have is for a shooter. Butler and Davis were stroking it last night and we didn’t really have an answer for them. Tyrus looked great which proves we need a bigman who can score. Rose, Deng and Noah all looked great. The major problem for us is the SG and PF spots.

We have a nice bench with Hinrich, JJ, and Taj.

Homecoming

by illwill on Jan 22, 2010 12:57 AM CST reply actions  

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