I'm around Rose enough to know he'd prefer to be the second scoring option. Management is basing its entire philosophy moving forward on acquiring a star. If it succeeds, Rose is in the perfect role. He's only scoring at the clip he is now because he has seen an offensive void and is trying to address it. So I agree that a shoot-first point guard may not be conducive to winning. But I don't think that description fits Rose.
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KC’s Bulls mailbags seem to be where he really lets out some interesting details about the team that you don’t really find too often in his columns. As far as this quote on Rose, I’m not really sure how I feel about it. On one hand, it’s pretty disconcerting to me that he really doesn’t want to be the #1 guy considering, you know, we drafted him first overall to be a superstar, go-to guy. On the other hand, at least management isn’t so incredibly inept that they haven’t realized we need a bona fide superstar on this roster. Either way, I think we have the answer as to why Derrick often appears to listlessly float through games, and in the end, I think this is certainly a bit discouraging.
well it's the other player that takes the focus off Rose and he can create and not have to be the main guy..
It’s in a PG’s nature to be unselfish and more of a facilitator so I wouldn’t be too discouraged about that. It just makes sense to me because thats how point guards think.. get your guys easy baskets.
why is there an asshole on my wheaties box?
exactly
to me it seems like he doesnt want to be the number one option on the team, but if he sees a void of scoring or what not, hes gonna attack…i think thats great of a pg..and for rose developing. if u look at his playstyle its pretty much that, he basically tries his best to get the team running and create for others around him, he tries to go off early so he can attact attention and get others better looks. he does all third quarter, he does this near the begining of the 4th quarter (if hes in) and when time winds down THATS when he really turns it on.
So give him a bosh or a joe johnson, give him guys who can be the number one option, and when the defense begins to lock in on those guys, and those guys have trouble getting their shots, then rose will fill that spot….
I think rose being the number 1 pick means he should be the best player in his draft class, which by all accounts i believe he is, but it shouldnt mean that hes mr perfect, or something. Hes not a bust, and hes a number 1 pick, he is probably gonna be an allstar one day, and he will probably always be within the top 7 pg spots. The best thing about rose however is that he has the potential to be the number 1 pg, and thats what makes him so damn special…
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by piccolomair on Jan 21, 2010 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
KC's response to the second one is hilarious
In reference to Vinny’s ineptness (emphasis mine):
I’m not making excuses for Vinny either, but some of that falls on the players. Vinny said he reminded players to attack in those situations.
I wonder if there’s a problem that Vinny doesn’t solve with “Attack!”
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by Lt.Dan on Jan 21, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well then he really needs to become a better passer
cause the only thing that has made him special so far is his ability to drive to the basket and score. He’s not the number four selling jersey because of his passing ability.
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Agreed
Rose may have the mindset of a pass-first PG, but he has the skill set of a scoring PG. And that’s a problem. Rose doesn’t have the ability to manufacture easy buckets like a Jason Kidd. So when he’s not ATTACKING, there’s not much else he brings to the offense. This is why I think Rose disappears for stretches during games. He may think that he’s facilitating the offense by walking the ball up the court and dumping it off to Noah or Deng, but he’s really not.
So rather than try to get others involved first, Rose needs to look to score from the gates and put some pressure on the defense. This will open up easy scoring opportunities for his teammates. If he starts the game with a couple of scoring drives, he’ll have two or three guys collapsing on him every time he makes any type of move to the basket. If he’s aggressive the whole game, then open shots will be available the whole game.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jan 21, 2010 2:24 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed to an extent
I think Rose is a very good passer, but I agree that he goes about it wrong. His skill set lies in theability to blow past defenders and create an opening all by himself for a teammate.
Right now Rose is attacking the rim late in the game. He needs to start the game that way.
Even Steve Nash attacks towards the hoop relentlessly.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And he's considered the consummate play-making PG
Rose needs to learn that watching Deng and Salmons force contested jumpers isn’t “getting his teammates involved.”
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jan 21, 2010 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
I would rather have a better defending point guard and slasher...
Someone like Westbrook is a perfect point guard… I love Rose but he doesn’t get to the line or create as much as I had thought he would. Maybe with better talent he’d be more of that.
why is there an asshole on my wheaties box?
westbrook is on a team with a good coach, a team whose best lineup includes 3 good 3pt shooters and a center with a
midrange game. and even with those weapons, russell shoots below 40% from the field and has an assist percentage only 4 pts higher than rose. russell is far from perfect and id still rather have rose.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Rose was the number one pick..
even so I just rather have a defensive minded PG like Rondo or Westbrook. Don’t get me wrong I love Rose but I thought he’d be a better defensive player and a better passer. Still I wanna see what he does with better talent first to really judge him. If that day ever comes.
why is there an asshole on my wheaties box?
you are only saying this because davis torched rose late in the game.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Defense is something you can be taught.
Rondo isn’t someone you can rely on you give you a big shot at the end of the game.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 21, 2010 6:06 AM CST up reply actions
A lot of basketball is something that can be taught.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You're right.
But you can’t teach Rondo Rose’s speed or strength the way you can teach Rose to play better D.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 21, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really think he is
when I see Rondo run a fastbreak, he’s not consistently the fastest person on the court. When I see Rose rune a fastbreak, it seems like he’s just blowing past everyone. Subjectivity, I suppose.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 21, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
You don't think Rondo is fast or strong.
/scout’d
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't know.
Rose has huge shoulders and great body control which makes him (in my opinion) look a lot stronger than he really is. he has the potential to be huge, but he only weighted 196 pounds in the draft combine. On the other hand, Eric Gordon was only a 1/2" taller but weighed 222 pounds.
I mean, Rose probably is stronger, but Rondo has had more time with a dedicated weight staff. I’m still wondering if the Bulls have one of those.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You want someone who shows up on time to playoff games
So, no Rondo.
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leave it too the Bulls to draft the timid 'superstar'.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 21, 2010 11:35 AM CST reply actions
cheap shot
was there a non timid superstar they should have drafted number one instead?
nah, it was still the right choice
I guess it’s just a non-ideal circumstance. But it sure seems to be an Organizational philosophy to be deferential.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Was there a better person in that draft?
Nevermind, I can use all the reasons I can get to hate this organization.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 21, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Was Scottie Pippen not the very definition of timid 'superstar'?
I know there are tons of people who didn’t start watching the Bulls until after they started winning titles, but if Scottie had to relive his first few years with today’s technology, I doubt he’d get as much love as he seems to get on Bab.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Pippen was a timid superstar?
Why … because he tailored his game to complement MJ, the greatest to ever play the game? Dude was an absolute beast on defense and was never afraid to take big shots. When Jordan left to play little league, Pippen lead the Bulls in scoring, assists, and steals (and was no. 2 in rebounds, if I remember correctly). And this was on a 55-game winning team that was one bad call away from making the Eastern Conference Championship. The next season, Pippen lead the Bulls in points, assists, rebounds, blocks, and steals. Pippen was never the pure scorer that Jordan was, but to call him timid is ridiculous.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jan 22, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
He specifically is talking about the first couple years
as a defense of Rose. All that you said is true, but Pippen didn’t come in the league playing like that. It took time, which is what he’s saying regarding Rose. I don’t mean to speak for you PeteRoc so correct me if I’m wrong.
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i really don't see a problem with this...
he is the PG. he can still score at will. but i think that it would make sense paired next to another great player that he wouldn’t be looking to score as much – being the second scoring option while being the primary ball handler is appropriate for even a star PG imo.
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