Would you do this Bosh deal? I would.
by francisdurke on Jan 20, 2010 11:35 AM CST
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Chicago gets Chris Bosh (deal only goes through if he signs an exstension), Rasho Nesterovic, Monte Ellis, and Anthony Morrow
Golden State gets John Salmons and either Tyrus Thomas or Jerome James (whichever they want) and a top three protected 1st round pick this year or unprotected 1st round pick next year.
Toronto gets Joakim Noah, and Brad Miller
Why we do it: Chicago gets the player that appears to be their main wish in Bosh, Chicago gets their shooting guard in Ellis. Ellis is not Dwayne Wade (the other main wish), but he averages 26 points per game, 2.4 steals a game, 5.4 assists a game. We get Morrow and Nesterovic as bench players (both with expiring deals).
Why Golden State does it: The team is not entirely happy with Ellis. He doesn't want to play in Golden State anymore, and the general feel from the fan base is that they want him gone. Moreover, they aren't winning with Ellis. They get Salmons, to rent for a year (or two) with the option to sign him to a longer deal, and Tyrus (seemingly perfect for a Nellie offense) or James (to create cap space). Plus the pick would allow the team to rebuild around the key players they have left.
Why Toronto does it: They are going to lose Bosh. Plain and simple. He is going to Houston, New York, Miami, Chicago, or somewhere. He will not play in Toronto next year. In return they get a player (who is absolutely loved in Chicago) that is up and coming. He is averaging a double double this year, near the league lead in rebounds, and he has a passion that you won't find in most NBA players. He is a defensive stopper to build around. Next to Turgolu and Bargnani (to offensive players), Noah would be a beast defending the rim.
Downside, Chicago loses out on Wade and Lebron (no way in hell he comes to Chicago), they get a player that has not won at the NBA level in Ellis with questions on work ethic. Moreover, Ellis is a small sg (6-3 180 - which is why we got rid of Gordon). We are cashing in our chips on something less than the ideal plan. We lose Noah. This cannot be understated. It cannot be sold. We lose a fan favorite, with unlimited work ethic, coming into his own, right before his prime. Plus we will have to go through him for the foreseeable future in the east.
Upside, Chicago gets (barely) second tier shooting guard with unlimited range who is 24 and coming into his prime. Ellis can break anyone down off the dribble. Ellis plays defense, maybe not all league defense, but he is not a slouch. Plus Chicago gets to keep Deng (third option - fourth with Bosh and ellis) and Hinrich (defense, can play SG and PG), both are overpaid, but very good at what they do. We end up with something instead of ending up with nothing in the 2010 sweepstakes. Plus we have a legit shot this year in the playoffs and for the foreseeable future.
btw, this deal works on the nba trade machine
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No.
Actually I think this is too much.
Make that a top 10 protected pick, keep Salmons and I’m sold (use Johnson and James).
I’d worry otherwise we drop even more and get a #4-6 pick to give away.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
No
Bulls would be starting Taj and playing Nesterovic significant minutes. We would also have little to no depth…it’s risky. Plus, I don’t know how well Rose/Ellis combo works. While similar types of players can get along well and Ellis can hit the three, if we are going to have two guys on the team that need the ball in their hands, I’d prefer it be Wade or LeBron
Oh I didn't even see Ellis on this list
that would make this more a thinker…..than I thought….
Still perhaps no, Ellis’s 23 shots for 26 pts coupled with Rose’s 17 shots for 19 pts is a combined recipe for disaster….especially when you add the limited defense to the mix.
Bosh is a better defender than his rep now (it seems everyone’s labeling him terrible, which he ain’t), but he’s not premier….
As a last resort if there’s no other way to get Wade or get Bosh in a different manner, maybe you try it. Ellis is a freakish talent as is Rose and Bosh….and we’d still have Joakim and Luol…but it’s a lot to give up and a guaranteed run at the luxury if it doesn’t work (or we let Rose and Noah go for nothing in 1-2 years).
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Yeah
That’s a problem of mine is I read this trade, didn’t care for it, reread a post above, saw it had Ellis, forgot it had Noah and had read that, and made a comment…problem when you post in between system running things at work…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
not to be a dick
but none of these teams would do this trade except for chicago, and maybe not even them. no way toronto does bosh for noah, and no way golden state gives up monte for fish and tyrus? cmon, man.
by njbullsfan09 on Jan 20, 2010 5:16 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
i would. too bad none of these other gms are clueless enough to do it.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Jan 20, 2010 5:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Do I really have to spell it out that the trade stinks?
TT I can handle losing. We miss Noah or Rose, count me OUT!
Are you seriously telling me you wouldn't give Noah for Bosh,
Noah’s a great hustle player and he does a lot of good things, but he’ll never be Chris Bosh.
by BigBabyCollin on Jan 20, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Who says Bosh sticks around?
We could trade Noah, and Bosh could leave for another team after this year. I would certainly rather hold onto Noah and hope we pick up Bosh in the off-season, without having to give up one of our core players. I do see that you put the deal will only go through if Bosh signs an extension, but wouldn’t your rather shoot for Bosh in the off-season without giving up a core guy?
I would give up Noah for Bosh
Assuming Bosh agrees in advance to an extension. Also, this trade gives up a ton. We would have a horrible bench and no cap space to deal with that issue in free agency.
You must be sick
if you think Toronto would ever do that.
There are so many other deals out there that Toronto is fielding. I still think they believe Bosh might stay, but when they realize he isnt, I guarantee they will get more than Noah and Brad Miller
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these other teams would not do this.
stop making trades where the bulls get the two best players in the deal.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Jan 21, 2010 1:33 PM CST reply actions
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