The bulls season outlook for 09-10
by Krandle on Sep 22, 2009 10:34 PM CDT
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This upcoming Bulls season is for me at least the most excited I have ever been about basketball. We have the good things to hope for with…
- Derrick Rose's quest to become the league's best pg,
- Luol Deng coming back,
- James Johnson, seeing what he can do, at least hopefully he gets a few halftime break dancing gigs.
- Noah bulking up
- Tyrus Thomas's potential
The bad with…
- Will Salmons be able to play sg?
- Will Deng be back/injured again?
- Will TT ever find his true purpose?
- Will we sign/trade for a second all-star for Rose?
- Will VDN learn to coach?
So many questions and I couldn’t be more excited for the season. Unlike many others who have previewed the bulls season, I think they will make the playoffs, and improve their record from last year. How you say? Let’s start out with Number 1…
Derrick Rose- A true Savior of the franchise. Without him this team has 0 identity, and doomed to first round playoff losses for the next 3-4 years. He brings what this team most needed, an athletic scoring threat. He can get into the paint whenever he wants either creating layup and 1’s for himself or dishing out to shooters/ slashers. He should become an all star this year in a pg void east if he can improve upon his defense from last year. Screw working on jumpers, this kid needs to learn how to read passing lanes, get better hand speed for stealing the ball, and stop the opposing pg from penetrating into the lane. I expect rose to get to 20 ppg without even trying next year, I’m worried if he really wants to become an elite level defender.
Ben Gordon- Ben Gordon had to go, end of story. Ever since we received Rose, Gordon had to go. Gordon will never be a starting sg on a championship team, never. The role he best fills is to be the best 6th man in the NBA. Scoring off the bench in bunches, providing an offensive spark whenever he gets into the game. This is a role he is reluctant to accept now when he is in his prime, and that’s ok because he has no real shot of winning a championship barring a trade for the duration of his contract with the Piston’s.
The contract, let’s talk about that. For the bulls to resign BG this year, they would now be more than 9 mil over the luxury tax, overall costing them about 18-19 million to keep him. I’ve heard of signing him then trading him later, for what and to whom? Who in this league is going to trade for his contract? We would be stuck with him for 5 years, with 0 chance of signing a big time free agent next summer. Did we let talent walk away? For sure, but BG has a pg’s body with a 2 guards game. The best scenario for him would be to be traded to the Lakers and play in the triangle. He would be almost perfect as a pg there, as he was with this bulls team, he just could not stay.
Luol Deng- Many people say the bulls cannot become better than last year because they didn’t acquire any players and lost their top scorer in BG. Do people realize Deng was out for the entire time Salmons and Miller were on the Bulls? I for now have faith in Deng to become healthy again and get back to being a 3rd option on offense. He is with us for better or worse for the next 4 years; let’s see if he can remember how to knock down midrange jumpers again.
Tyrus Thomas- Oh Tyrus, the enigma of this current Bulls team. Will you just find a role and play it every game already? Becoming a scoring pf like Bosh or Amare is out of the question. I want Tyrus to become a neo Dennis Rodman. He has the skills to become a lockdown defender, if he focuses on rebounding he could easily get 8-12 a game with his jumping skills. He can already block shots like few others so I don’t think this is out of the question for Tyrus. On the offensive end throw him some alley-oops, knock down open 12-16 footers plus a few put backs and he can average 14pts, 10reb, 2blks, and a steal a game.
Given this is Tyrus’s contract year, he has two paths with the bulls organization. One is that he plays his butt off, becomes the man I mentioned before and becomes a valuable trade piece. He gets traded at the deadline for either expiring contracts + picks or a legit pf in part of a blockbuster deal. Second route is he continues to be the Tyrus of old. Somehow manages to still not get 30 minutes a night and shows flashes but does not become anything most teams would call a starter. His contract expires and either he finds a team who can teach him to play basketball or the Bulls resign him after we make our bids at the premier free agents next summer.
Whichever path Tyrus takes next year, I believe he can become a Rodman type someday in this league. It all depends on when the right teacher/ coach comes along and where that will be.
Joakim Noah- My second favorite Bulls player by far. According to many reports he has bulked up and is ready and willing to defend Shaq and Howard this season. He has also been working on his free throw and jump shot both of which I hope he can improve upon from last season. Along with Rose, Noah is the other reason why I expect great things from this Bulls team in the upcoming years.
NBA Draft – This day I cursed out a lot of the Bulls management for not once but twice passing on Dejuan Blair, quite possibly being the best college basketball rebounder ever. I liked the James Johnson pick because he has a lot of upside given his draft position. Passing on Blair for Taj Gibson was just stupid. Taj was undersized power forward in college, who did next to nothing for a mediocre USC team. Blair now belongs to the Spurs where he has vowed vengeance on everyone who passed on him in the draft. I expect him to do just that in the minutes he plays for the Spurs this year.
Coach Vinny Del Negro- Many called for his head last season for many things; not being able to have timeouts at the end of close games, running a basketball playbook similar to that of a high school team, playing friggin Aaron Gray over Tyrus Thomas for long stretches and not preaching defense. I think he will improve this season mainly because he couldn’t be much worse as he was last year, and because he can’t give minutes to Nocioni or Gooden anymore over Tyrus. He has this season to prove that he can become a legitimate NBA coach or else the calls to hire Avery Johnson will get louder than a KG scream.
Summer of 2010- Probably the most anticipated offseason ever, has a Chicago team once again with its hopes up. Lebron James is going to either the Nets or staying with Cleveland. With Lebron, the Nets become championship contenders immediately with a starting 4 of Harris, Lee, Bron, PF, and Lopez. Add a defensive minded PF, Terrence Williams off the bench plus a few more rotation players and that team is scary.
Wade is most likely staying in Miami, with Chicago a distant long shot. Bosh is our most attainable Free agent and I still think it will require a sign and trade with us trading TT, Hinrich, and 2 first round picks for Bosh. It fills out our starting 5 granted Salmons re-ups and gets us a legit big man. Same trade for Amare if Toronto can actually keep Bosh, and then Joe Johnson becomes our final option for a big free agent. I honestly do not expect any straight up free agent signings but instead all the movement will be by sign and trade since the amount of money the FA’s lose by not signing with their original teams is around 20 million and an extra year on the contract.
Overall outlook-
I expect the Bulls to get either the 7th or 8th seed in the East this year. Overall growth from Rose, Noah, Thomas, and Vinny Del Negro will make up for the loss of Gordon and with full seasons of Brad Miller and John Salmons will also help us get into the playoffs. Along with the Magic, Cavs and Celtics, I expect the Hawks and Wizards to be the second tier of teams with the Bulls, Raptors and another team making up the C level teams in the playoffs.
I am very excited for this upcoming season for the Bulls as we now have hope for a better future with Rose and Noah developing. I really just want to watch NBA basketball again, it seems like the Bulls-Celtics series was about 3 years ago right now to me. I just want my basketball back, If Vinny decides he wants to run some offensive plays too, then all the better.
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I Agree with most of this
But Noah gaurding Shaq or Howard going to be a challenge lol
..and If Deng can have a 18-8 season i think its possible to finish 5/6 in east.
But yer very exited aswell!!
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by PORCH1 on Sep 23, 2009 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The comparison between Thomas and Rodman is apt, I think. People forget that Rodman was not a regular starter until his 4th or 5th year in the league. He played with the incredibly deep Detroit front line of Laimbeer, Mahorn, Sally, Aguirre, and James Edwards.
Also keep in mind that Rodman was 25 as a rookie. After high school, he worked for a while as a janitor at the Dallas/Ft Worth airport, and did not attend college right away.
by boobie trap on Sep 23, 2009 1:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"This upcoming Bulls season is for me at least the most excited I have ever been about basketball"
a youngin’ eh?
by penguin1 on Sep 23, 2009 2:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no kidding....
for me it was 95-96…. thus the name.
by 72-10 on Sep 24, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls will be their usual .500 self.
L Deng is the key. if he can return to top form they will a ok
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by angryandy on Sep 23, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good piece man
I too am very excited, mainly just to watch NBA basketball again. But I’m also extremely excited about the development of Rose and Noah, watching James Johnson when he gets on the floor and hoping Tyrus puts together an entire season like the February he had last year (what, like 14 straight double-doubles, right?).
Yes sir, the season is right around the corner.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 23, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You touched on a lot of things
The Tyrus part is really big for me. He could find his niche by really focusing on defense and rebounding and be a real game changer. Offensively he can be a decent spot up shooter at best but it’s not his strength. I wish more players would really focus on their strengths and not play outside of themselves. Tyson Chandler started worrying about his offense for some reason and started to play terribly his last season. I think coaches could help in that regard too though by reinforcing that with the player.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
by bigballa10 on Sep 23, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Enjoyed the post
I agree with you on Tyrus but feel it would definitely be in our best interest to move him even if he has a breakout year. He has great potential but that is really about it at this point in his career. I just dont like what I see from him from a mental standpoint. Maybe he’ll learn but if I were a betting man, I wouldnt put money on him realizing his potential.
by drosekillsall on Sep 23, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Tyrus can average 14/10 if he improves his footwork and doesn’t take every jumper available even if he’s open. It’s ok to pass the ball back out to someone else if he’s too far out. I want to see him around the basket more, learning at least one go-to post move, catching at least 3 alley-oops a game. His offense will improve if he concentrates on hustle, rebounding and defense. The rest will come. Tyrus has to make up his mind whether he wants to play like a SF or a true PF. Either way, I doubt he’s here next year.
Regarding Rose, he does need to improve his interior passing, court vision and needs to be able to shoot at least 35% from 3 pt line. Otherwise teams will just pack the lane and not let him penetrate.
I think Noah will have a great season. I predict 11/11 from him. He still will be too small to defend Shaq and Howard but he will be able to hold his ground better. Noah can be an possible backup All-star Center in 2 years.
The key to the season to me is the team establishing a defensive identity early, I want practice to be 60% defense and 40% offense. I want everyone to commit to being the best defender they can. Everyone can’t be a All-Defensive team guy but most of defense is about awareness and effort. Offensively, I want to see some real plays, no nore playground iso crap. Pindowns and backdoor cuts for Deng. Pick and rolls for Noah and Tyrus. Screen and rolls and alleyoops to Tyrus. Lots of ball movement. No more 5 jabsteps from Salmons. No more Heinrich manuever, dribbling out the shot clock.
I’m hopin for 48 wins this year, It’ll probably be more like 44. But I feel somewhat optimistic even after losing BG.
by C Smoove on Sep 23, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's get it Bulls!!
I’m interested to see whether or not Salmons actually ends up starting at the 2 over Kirk. You would think that at some point pride would kick in and Kirk won’t just roll over and let a player who came last year via trade knock him out of the starting 5. It’s one thing giving up your spot to Rose, but letting Salmons move you to the bench on a team that you were the captain of…well that’s pretty deep stuff right there. (Have fun trying to guard Rose in practice Kirk)
Obviously we’re gonna shoot a lot of jumpers this year since we really don’t have many other ways to score. I hope Rose put in a lot of work on his J because I doubt teams are gonna just let him penetrate like C Smoove stated.
I’m still kinda disturbed about the half-hearted pursuit for a low post scorer. I didn’t expect us to get a beast, but maybe someone who can at least pretend to be somewhat of a threat of scoring in the paint. I haven’t seen Johnson play yet so I can’t really speak on him.
Tyrus can’t keep trying to play like he’s Vinnie “The Microwave” Johnson. He’s gotta figure out what in the heck he’s doing on offense. He’s completely lost out there sometimes and its really not that cool. How will Salmon’s game and Deng’s game go together? I’m excited to see this all play out. No losing to the Nets this year please!!!
by Rosenscrubs on Sep 23, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally forgot about that
I have been living in NJ since ‘01 and I don’t remember the Bulls beating the Nets here even one time! No more losing to the Nets is right.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
by bigballa10 on Sep 23, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Rose's defense
It’s worth noting that elite players are rarely that good on defense when they come in to the NBA, especially when they only play 1 year in college. Look at Jordan and Kobe – defense was a weakness for each of them over their first 2 – 3 years, and Rose certainly has the physical gifts to become and ELITE defender at the PG position. Rose had a few absolutely dominating sequences on the defensive end against Rondo and the Celtics, especially in late-game situations, but he needs to stop being a turnstyle at the top of the key, which I believe he has the talent and work-ethic to accomplish. He just needs to acquire the experience and knowledge to put it all into effect.
Remember, in college Rose was a dominant defensive PG for the most part. Once he adjusts to the NBA game, in a year or two (maybe even this year), he’ll go from a defensive liability to the Bulls’ defensive foundation.
by kozzer on Sep 23, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm
Rose was hardly a dominant defensive pg in college and I never remember defense being a weakness for Jordan in any year. Outside shooting was his weakness early on, particularly from the 3 point line, but he was always a good defender. Other than that I agree with you about Rose.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
by bigballa10 on Sep 23, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah,
jordan wasn’t terribly interested in his d as a rook.
and the whole team struggled with getting the respect of the refs for years, especially vs the pistons.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Sep 23, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan led the league in steals either his second or third year in the league.
and his rookie year he averaged around 1.5, if someone wants t check the actually stats that would be awesome. Grated he played at UNC where they do preach defense more so than Memphis did for sure.
by Krandle on Sep 23, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steals don't necessarily mean a player is a good defender
I remember reading many sportswriters saying man defense was a significant weakness of Jordan’s game even after his injury-shortened 2nd year, even though he averaged over 2 steals a game (in fact, this criticism caused Jordan to work on his man defense, and we all know what happened after that). Allen Iverson averaged over 2 steals a game during his prime, and yet he’s never really been considered a good defender. There’s a difference between shutting down your man and gambling by overplaying the passing lanes.
With regard to Derrick Rose, I’m much more interested in him playing good man defense at the top, fighting through screens and preventing penetration and open shots by whomever he’s guarding at the time. Rose made strides in this area as the season went on last year, and hopefully he keeps making strides. His defense is the key to the Bulls’ team defense, because the NBA game these days has the perimeter players be the point of attack. If Rose can funnel any penetration into Noah or Tyrus, or stay with his man to strongly contest a shot, or make his man pass the ball to a less talented teammate, the Bulls will look so much better on that end of the court than last year (although they were in fact terrible defensively last year, so it won’t take much to improve).
by kozzer on Sep 24, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d. Blocks and steals definitely don’t make one a great defender. Look at Payton or Paul, both great at steals but one can gamble and get a lot of steals and get burned in the process. Same goes for blocks. Look at Tyrus, dude gets a ton of blocks but is often out of position due to his gambling. Funnelling penetration and just getting the ball out of your man’s hands or forcing a bad shot is the mark of a true man to man defender.
by C Smoove on Sep 24, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
But Gary Payton was universally considered a great defensive player. It wasn’t just steals and gambling. That’s the wrong name to throw out there if you’re making that point.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
by bigballa10 on Sep 24, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“considered” and “actually” are two different terms. He got a ton of steals so people “universally considered” him a great defensive player. Same as CP3 today. GP was the Glove when it came to steals. Defense is about more than that though.
by C Smoove on Sep 24, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Well Gary Payton was actually an excellent defensive player. How about that?
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
by bigballa10 on Sep 25, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you really arguing that Gary Payton was
not an all-around good defensive player? Because if you are, than you are completely off base. Payton was probably the best defensive point guard I’ve seen play. Long arms, quick feet, tenacious and physical, able to play the passing lanes and guys bigger than him. He was the complete package on defense for a point guard.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 26, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
you can look at this any way you want and Gary Payton will still come out as a great defender at his position. You can look at reputation, stats, awards (Defensive POY and all defensive 1st team for a bunch of years in a row), whatever you want. How you can put him in the same category as guys who just gamble and get steals is beyond me. That would be Allen Iverson, not Gary Payton.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
by bigballa10 on Sep 27, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me give you a better example
Allen Iverson
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by Prevenge on Sep 28, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since this is not really about Jordan
I’m not going to keep arguing this. I will just say I never recall Jordan being bad on defense at any point rookie year or otherwise or defense being called a significant weakness of his. Rose is another story. His defense is atrocious by any measure and I don’t think this has been pointed out enough to be honest.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
by bigballa10 on Sep 24, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rose is an awful defender so far in the NBA-no doubt.
Payton on the other hand…one of the best ever at PG and often guarded MJ when we played them.
by SD20 on Sep 30, 2009 5:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose's defense
was atrocious I agree with you there. Given his work ethic I am betting he will be better this year. I think it is expected of him. At some points last year he looked totally lost on D. But playing PG in the NBA on offense and defense is one of the hardest positions to make the transition to from college to the NBA. So I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt and have faith that he will learn and improve drastically each year.
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by Savage23 on Sep 30, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
He’s too competitive not to work at it and get better. The more it’s brought to his attention, the more he’ll make it a priority. As bad as he was, it makes me wonder if it was ever brought to his attention at all last year.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
by bigballa10 on Sep 30, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was
he said in interviews that he had to get better.
Plus, you’d have to be an idiot to not notice that your player kept burning you and scoring. (No that’s not a setup for a Derrick intelligence joke)
by runningman on Sep 30, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know where you are getting that from
"He was a tremendous athlete with a strong body that looked like it was going to get better," said Rod Thorn of the scouting report on Michael Jordan. "He was competitive, and a fair shooter. Good ball handler, though not a great one at that time, but a good one, and a good defensive player. His shooting was what we were concerned with. We didn’t know what kind of shooter he was going to turn out to be." Shooting was his major weakness and although he wasn’t the lock down defender he became later, he was never a weak defensive player.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
by bigballa10 on Sep 24, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the scouting report coming out of college
I’m talking about criticism of Jordan’s game within the first year or two of his NBA career. Even so, Jordan was never considered a “bad” defender as Rose is right now, but my overall point is that the Great Ones tend to excel on offense first, and then the defensive aspect of their game matures over time.
Rose’s scouting report prior to the 2008 draft, under Strengths: “A relentless defender with quick hands and length. Gets low and will lock his man down on defense and should only improve. Gives the same intensity and effort on both ends of the floor”
I’m not saying or implying that Rose is on Jordan’s level defensively, or ever will be (only Bill Russel is), but that there’s a similarity there. The same pattern is true for many of the elite players.
by kozzer on Sep 24, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the overall point
I just don’t recall anyone saying defense was a weak point in MJ’s game back then. As for Rose, maybe Vinny can help him with his defense lol.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
by bigballa10 on Sep 24, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On D Rose's defense,
Defensive instincts are just learned naturally through the game, most everything else you have to work on. Learning how to get past a pick, reading passing lanes is about studying the other teams plays and noticing which play is unfolding immediately. He showed great flashes last playoffs, the Rondo block being my 1b favorite play of that series, but I would really like for him to get to being first or second team all NBA defense for the better part of his career for as much athletic ability as he has.
by Krandle on Sep 23, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, kozzer. rose will “get it” on defense, eventually. this is a much bigger key than deng, who’s performance is as consistent and known as can be, as long as he’s healthy.
Gordon will never be a starting sg on a championship team, never.young (?) krandle, i should love this bit of hyperbole, but then you kill your own (outlandish?) statement by bringing up the lakers. if they hadn’t won it all in convincing fashion, maybe they’d have gone after gordon (or even hinrich) instead of artest. in that hypothetical instance, can anyone argue that either of them wouldn’t work in the triangle with kobe, that they could never be a starter on a championship team?
noah seems more similar to rodman (what with the effort and reluctant offensive game outside 5 feet) than tyrus does. tyrus and rose and their progression are the team’s key elements to me. unless you think james johnson is gonna do it. will tyrus even get the chance?
and can we somehow block out/black out on blair and the draft? please?
the team will have to run and play with a defense-first mentality to get their wins. they’ll have to be leading in the fourth quarter more often. hopefully rose will get the calls this year and get to the line more. looks like there’ll be all new officials working the games too, which certainly should complicate matters.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Sep 23, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and can we also block those dreams of avery, please? the man who held back devin harris?
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Sep 23, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Devin Harris' career took off
when he discovered flopping.
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by cranscape on Sep 23, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes yes
and the support of the refs. but getting away from the avery screech couldn’t have hurt.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Sep 23, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his career took off
when he found a team that would build an entire offense exclusively around him.
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by Prevenge on Sep 23, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't they miss the playoffs last season?
With Dirk and Terry on the team, yeah, the offense was not molded around Harris. Maybe Harris did need to be the man on his team to get the numbers he wanted, but he’s turned into a near unwatchable flopper who missed the playoffs. He’s filling the vacuum on an otherwise blah team.
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by cranscape on Sep 23, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he sucks.
Sorry if I sounded like I liked Harris. I only meant that his career took off to the point where he’s an all-star and has good numbers.
Very deceptive numbers. Because they built an offense entirely around him and, yes, missed the playoffs.
:D
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by Prevenge on Sep 28, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point---this tends to happen.
hmmm…others.
Salmons last season when artest and martin were out.
Artest eventually in indy…averaged 30 ppg the year he got suspended and was on his way to an MVP season cuz his defense was still there.
Kukoc saw a huge increase in offense in atlanta.
JJ in atlanta…though the man is skilled…as is harris for that matter.
but your point id right on! its the NBA they are all good. Build the team around a pretty good player and his stats will jump off the page…but will the wins? only if its a great player.
by SD20 on Sep 30, 2009 5:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said starting SG on a championship team,
If he learns to play the point, Gordon will be alot more valuable to a traditional team not running the triangle. On the Lakers he would be great right now at PG where he could win a ring,no doubt. With his contract right now, he wont win a championship.
The Noah to Rodman comparison works as well but I was generally thinking of Tyrus guarding the 3/4/5 that Rodman would where i don’t see Noah guarding the 3 ever in his career outside of the Celtics series last playoffs. If we keep Tyrus i would hope to see him guard the opposing teams best 3/4 player ala Lebron, Melo, Bosh, Amare, KG, Lewis, etc. But of course we still have to sign one of those type of players before we can even think about getting that far.
And yes im only 20. a little bit on the young side.
by Krandle on Sep 23, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's GOOD to be young!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Sep 23, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordon at SG
If Jordon comes back by ago 50, he should play along side Rose. I still believe right now he is still better than we have at the SG spot
by Calvin X on Sep 23, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
from the HOF speach
It sounded like he would if he could!
by 72-10 on Sep 24, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to hire a first class head coach after the season starts, and
I don’t want to be stuck with an “interim” coach.
by hlac on Sep 24, 2009 12:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Who would win…VDN vs Aaron Gray
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by PORCH1 on Sep 25, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In what?
Sumo Wrestle!!!!!
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by Prevenge on Sep 28, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god
You just gave me nightmares for weeks.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Sep 28, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they would be a 50 win team if they added quality
cough cough Dwaybe Wade
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by angryandy on Sep 26, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All you big mouth Gordon haters stand to lose a lot of credibility this season.
So you think Gordon needed to go because of Rose?? I always felt the only reason Gordon was starting alongside Rose was because, dispite his flaws, he was the Bulls second most talented player. That in itself is a sad commentary on the 3 thru 12 remaining talent and incompetent Management giving us inferior product while collecting maximum profit. This Includes three (Deng, Hinrick or Miller) in the 3 thru 12 group who made 8 figures salaries last year. Interesting you didn’t point out the declining statistics of Hinrick, Deng or Miller. Do you even look at statistics??? You sound very emotional and judgemental. Not very analytical.
by sadafan on Sep 29, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Sep 30, 2009 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon was th emost talented scorer and perhaps one of the most talented scorers in th eentire NBA
but overall…all things like defense and skill set and passing and defense and did I say defense? Well all these things considered kirk is a more talented basketball player…slightly.
Gordon closed that gap as his defense improved a lot last season.
But Kirk plays the hardest position in the league and led this team from the PG position to the playoffs 3 years. And Duhon was prolly the best back up in the league back then.
kirk scored a few less ppg. had more assists…shot similarly and was 10 times the defender while also being the PG on a team that won 49 games and upset the world champs at full strength…then went 6 games with the pistons.
Gordon…at this point is a scorer…not a complete basketball player. Kirk…though much less talented at scoring is a complete player.
It can also be argued that Salmons is a better player than Gordon…overall. and since noah is a C and 7 footers that defend and rebound are at a premium it can be said Noah might be more valuable and therefore better than Gorodn too.
I love Ben…great scorer…if he ever ends up on a great team…he will certainly make them one of the best ever …as their 6th man.
by SD20 on Sep 30, 2009 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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