Bulls will finish 2nd in Central Division - Preview
Another preview of Bulls next season. It's interesting how Hoopsworld guys think that Salmons will be Bulls Top Offensive Player and not Derrick Rose. They also think that Tyrus could avg 2 or more bpg
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Haha
Poopsworld listed our DEFENSE as one of our 3 biggest strengths! RIDICULOUS!
However, scoring and passing are our weaknesses. So… what Tyrus brings to the table we are great at, but what Derrick brings to the table is a weakness.. hmm….
I do see where they’re going with this though. Hinrich, Noah and Tyrus are all above-average defenders and one could possibly say the same for Salmons and Deng. Derrick is pretty much our only good passer (Hinrich’s ok, Miller’s good for a big and Joakim is too) and playmaker, so, I could see creating offense being a problem this season.
That being said, I’m skeptical as to whether defense will be a strength of this team. If we’re counting on that, it’s going to be a loooooong season.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 22, 2009 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i gotta say
its more than just what tyrus brings – u answer ur own skepticism in this post
we got hinrich – noah – tyrus – salmons – hell even dengs long arms (lots of hype but is he that good??) and my maaaaaain man on the bench Lindsey Hunter
the sum of the parts equal some nasty D
as for offence…. who can score when they want besides rose? nobody – not on damn chump on this team can take on a defender and score on will besides Drose
soo
that should clarify why “poopsworld” ranked Defense so high and not our offence even though we have one of the best scoring PGs in the league.
thank you thank you thank you
by markoni22 on Sep 23, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
the problem is that all of these players were on our team last year and we ranked 8th in the league in total points per game (102.2) and 21st in opponents’ points per game (102.5).
Considering offense was a strong suit last year and defense was a GLARING weakness and that our roster hasn’t really changed at all (except the absence of Ben Gordon), how is defense going to suddenly become a strength this year? I know BG was bad on D, but not bad enough to turn it into a team strength merely by his absence.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 23, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PPG is a bad metric for measuring team defense.
They were middle of the road in offense adn defense.
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by tyger1147 on Sep 23, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
If you go by offensive and defensive rating then we were 14th on offense and 18th on defense. So, by losing BG and keeping the rest of the roster in place (adding Pargo, JJ and Taj I suppose — none figure to play huge minutes) then we’re going to all of the sudden become a strong defensive team (I would assume that means top-10) and a weak offensive team (bottom-10)?
I still don’t really buy into that. If anything, we’ll just move even closer to middle of the road on both (15-16 range).
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 23, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell, give a conference ranking.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 22, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They didn't give one
But I guess it will be between 5-7
by bull83 on Sep 22, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"[Pargo] even has become more accomplished playing the pick-and-roll after his season overseas. "
Haven’t heard that one.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 22, 2009 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His 3.7 PER overseas begs to differ.
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3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Sep 22, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking
didn’t he average like 2 ppg over there?
by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 22, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blech
Pargo shouldn’t even be discussed.
No one cares about how well we perform in garbage time
by darksmokepuncher on Sep 22, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't be too quick to dismiss him
3-guard lineups…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 22, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picking the Bulls 2nd in the Central isn't saying much
Anyone not picking Cleveland to run away with it? Anyone not picking Milwaukee to suck? I’m open to the possibility that Detroit could be good if everything gels just right, but I’m not really expecting it, and I certainly expect the Bulls to be better than the Pacers this year.
What I disagree with is the idea that Tyrus blocking shots makes him a great defender, and that the guys on the team aren’t good passers. I’d argue the team was low on assists last year because the offense was too much going one-on-one, not because no one can pass. And incidentally, they used the playoff assist stats, not the regular season.
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by wjb1492 on Sep 22, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't necessarily discount the Pacers so quickly
First they always seem to do better than they should…..
Second they had a ton of injuries last year, and I would think if Dunleavy and Granger stay healthy add in Murphy, the now underrated TJ Ford, Hansborough, Foster off the bench perhaps).
They don’t seem to have enough defense, but that offense can be overpowering if it clicks and it just might if it gets healthy…
Still I hope to God they’re 4th in the Central and we’re at least #2.
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by majoyenrac on Sep 22, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Brandon Rush makes the commitment he might be a
stand-out defensive player at his position. Also they picked up defensive specialist in Dahntay Jones this summer.
Those two alone are better than any wing player on defense we can put on the floor.
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by exult463 on Sep 22, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deng's better on D than both.
Jones is all rep.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 22, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe...
I’m looking forward to see how Deng returns, not only offensively but also defensively.
He’s been solid in some areas in defense in the past but he just looks slow?
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by exult463 on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Deng plays like he did in the month before the ankle injury
we should be just fine.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 22, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put it this way
I will be disappointed if the Bulls are not better than the Pacers and Pistons this season. I’m not sticking either of those teams down with Milwaukee, and I don’t have a strong feeling between the two. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Pacers are better than the Pistons. I also think it’s as likely Lu stays healthy as it is that the Pacers stay healthy. But all in all, I think the most likely outcome is that the Bulls have a better record than the Pacers. I don’t think that’s discounting them at all. I expect those games will be tough ones, e.g, the Bulls will have to show up when they play them. I like a lot of their players, especially Brandon, but my attachment to KU players shouldn’t come as any big news. I still absolutely expect the Bulls to have a better record than the Pacers, and will be very disappointed in the team if they do not. But I also certainly think the Pacers are moving in the right direction competitively.
Milwaukee, I am discounting.
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by wjb1492 on Sep 22, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee has gotten better
if only because they got rid of Charlie V.
by hlac on Sep 22, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Charlie Villanueva was supposed to be alright.
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by tyger1147 on Sep 23, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd see it more likely that the Bulls lose to thsoe teams.
But based on athleticism and talent, they win MOST of the games they are “supposed to win” while Indiana and Detroit wouldn’t. I have very little reason to think this, but I could see it that the Bulls have losing records against the Pacers and Pistons and the other teams around them, but the Bulls simply beat the bad teams more often and come out on top in the division. Eh?
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by tyger1147 on Sep 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were second in the Central last year.
So they are not exactly going out on a limb there…I don’t so much improvement below the Bulls, with the possible exception of the Pacers, but they have been mired in mediocrity since the early 00’s, so I doubt they will jump past the Bulls.
Anybody who thinks Tyrus is a greater defender is either not watching games or doesn’t understand great defense. Yes, his blocked shots are dramatic, but when he jumps for them, he lands out of position to grab the defensive board.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Sep 22, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dionysus
If Tyrus blocks the shot, why is also getting the loose ball Tyrus responsibility? Arent there 4 other players on his team? Your logic is what….that Tyrus should block the shot to himself then out hustle everyone else for the loose ball? This doesnt make sense. Who blames someone in the top ten for the league in blocked shots of not blocking the shot good enough? Very weak argument! If the man blocks the shot his team can at least help try to get the rebound.
by Mr Rhythm on Sep 23, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He goes up to block shots he has no shot of altering, and sacrifices position to do so.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 23, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he blocks the shot then it will automatically be altered
these points arent really good ones
by Mr Rhythm on Sep 23, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Ozzie was saying
is that for every shot Tyrus actually blocks/alters, there’s another 3-4 shots that he tries to block/alter that he will never come close to blocking/altering. When he does that he puts himself out of position for the rebound, therefore hurting the team by giving the opposition another chance at a score.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 23, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how many times do guys not even take shots?
I’ve seen it, I swear.
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by tyger1147 on Sep 23, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose colored that still isnt fair to blame Tyrus for
Every shot blocker attempts to block alot of shots, that’s there fortay. Shot blockers who arent 7 feet something tend to be more likely to go for pump fakes which is why coaches teach taking the ball to the shot blocker, because they tend to jump more often than not and even pick up more fouls. Its just the aggresive nature of shot blockers. All I can say is Tyrus shouldnt be blamed for helping out defensively, it has more benefits than harm for this team. Had the Bulls had no shot blocking presence teams would do what the Celtics did to the Bulls in game 7 in the 3rd and 4th quarter all year long. Tyrus back there made players think twice, and hesitate when going up. I guarantee you will not find another player in the top ten for blocking shots getting blamed for blocking shots like Tyrus does, it’s incredible!
by Mr Rhythm on Sep 24, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, it's not like good players can easily fake out Tyrus repeatedly because he's so eager to block every shot.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 23, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is blocking shots from the power forward position also
This means he’s not standing under the goal like the center’s who normally lead the team in blocks. He’s helping by leaving his man wherever his man may be on the floor, defending the goal which is usually a sign that he’s a good team defender. If he leaves his man to help, someone should rotate out on his man to bail him out as he bails out the teamate who was beat to the rim.
by Mr Rhythm on Sep 24, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indiana might surprise
Granger has proved and improving and if Rush can take a leap in development together with a solid Tyler Hansbrough (who can space the floor with mid-range shot), Pacers may be better than anticipated.
It seems Hoopsville is placing much to the success of the Bulls on John Salmons (alias Ben Gordon replacement), while the future of Deng is a big question mark? Still be have Noah who is better than Roy Hibbert., but we also have another hugh question mark in Tyrus Thomas?
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by exult463 on Sep 22, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tyler Hansbrough?
Do you really think he will be in an NBA rotation this season?
Why isn't your friendly Bulls Blogger friendly?
by Dionysus2.0 on Sep 22, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is, I think you'll know how the Pacers season is going.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 22, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bird loves his white Guys
Dunleavy, Murphy, and Hansbrough will all start… TOGETHER this season. Watch.
by 420man! on Sep 22, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While i'm skeptical of the other two
Murphy is a legitimately good big man and should be starting.
by runningman on Sep 22, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaaaaaaand
that’s officially not funny anymore.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 22, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bird said the NBA needs more white superstars
After he made the comment the league had the Steve Nash propaganda campaign. He (Steve) is nice and all, but to say he was the best player in the league was seriously stretching it. Nash was back to back MVP too beating Kobe the year he dropped 81 on Toronto, beating Lebron, even Amare who averaged over 30 points in the playoffs against defensive MVP Tim Duncan.
by Mr Rhythm on Sep 23, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will back you up there
Nash winning two straight MVP’s is just ludicrous. Kobe should’ve had one of those. I can buy Nash winning it the year the Suns won like 67 games or whatever, but there’s no way he should have won two straight.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 23, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Nash win those
right after Kobe was trying to wrap up his court case? Maybe he needed some of that stink to blow off before he was going to be considered again. Who knows what the behind the scenes stuff was. If the NBA was trying to work on their image (If I remember right the first half of the 2000s it was getting pretty thuggish) they might have been avoiding that. Wasn’t that about the same time they were putting in dress codes? Hm.
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by cranscape on Sep 23, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NBA trying to appeal to the caucasian market maybe
Tell all the mothers and fathers out there that NBA’s “best” player is a guy that didn’t resemble anyone from the Pacers/Pistons brawl.
by 420man! on Sep 24, 2009 5:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not buying Tyrus as our top defensive player at all
I’m guessing its either Hinrich or Deng as it has been for a while.
by darksmokepuncher on Sep 22, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Noah's
in that conversation too. The only thing he had a problem with was getting pushed underneath by people a lot bigger/stronger than him. Other than that, he does everything you want a big man to do defensively.
by runningman on Sep 22, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus led the Bulls in steals and blocks he's gotta be considered!
by Mr Rhythm on Sep 23, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is definitely the best stat-stuffer on D that we've got
but I think Hinrich is actually a better defender than Ty. I do think Tyrus’ man defense on wing players is underrated (if a little inconsistent). They way he D-ed up ’Bron in the Cleveland win last year was straight up awesome.
If Tyrus could just put together his flashes of brilliance all over the court into a consistent game, he would be a borderline All-Star. I don’t think that’s ever going to happen though.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 23, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunleavy
played very well in 2007-08, up to the point where he got hurt. FG% .476, 3P% .424, and 19.1 pts/game. And he is a good passer. If he is healthy, he would look good in a Bulls uniform
by boobie trap on Sep 22, 2009 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bulls not #1?
W.T.F!!
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by Belize on Sep 22, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dunleavy is actually a good player….not good defender. But he’s alright. Hansborough will be in the rotation, I don’t like him but he could be a good backup PF who can play 15 minutes a game and grab some boards.
by C Smoove on Sep 23, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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