No, there won't be a Michael Jordan Hall-Of-Fame post (ok, this one)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2009 9:37 PM CDT
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PrintIn a month of no-news (and I'm in such a malaise about the team's projections this season even I've run out of ways to re-re-re-react to them), there's been a fairly heavy increase in Michael Jordan linking in the fanshots. The nostalgia is always simmering, but with His Airness being inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame this summer, I've even received some queries as to what I'm doing here for the occasion.
Not much, really.
And not just because the Basketball Hall of Fame is a mess, and Jordan is such a no-brainer addition that it seems he's in already.
But, as weird as it may sound coming from as much of a Bulls fan I am, it doesn't really translate into being a huge Michael Jordan fan. If I was a hardcore follower back when the Dynasty Bulls were getting good (as opposed to being already good) maybe I'd feel different. In fact, that probably has a ton to do with it.
But while it's nice to appreciate Bulls history and see Jordan's enshrinement raising that profile, he's not as much of a concern to me as any other former Bull. Which is to say I don't really care (Ben Gordon notwithstanding, of course!). He's also a former Washington Wizard, and a current pseudo-suit for the Bobcats. He currently has no real role in the Bulls. And though it was nice to see him show up for the Red Kerr tribute last season, it was also a bit weird: as if we were lucky to have him grace us with his presence, instead of an 'of course he'd be there!' feeling, like we would for any other Bulls legend.
And it's not just his post-Bulls days that leave me not really identifying him as a Bull, it's also the fact that Jordan didn't really belong exclusively to Bulls fans, but all sports fans. People became fans of the NBA because of him, some stuck around as Bulls fans (appreciated, all) but many didn't. And I don't feel like I have any more appreciation of Jordan as those other fans, even if my team got to reap all the benefits. He was the greatest of all time, and you don't have to be some kind of Bulls homer to acknowledge that and find comparisons ridiculous. Everyone gets the greatness of Jordan, so being a Bulls fan too doesn't add much.
And though I squirm a bit every time I think of this upcoming Bulls season, I'm far more interested in what's to come than what was past (Ben Gordon notwithstanding, of course!). But maybe that's why there's a rise in Jordan feelings here? This current era has been such a mess that it reminds us that the Bulls were once a model franchise, and should be seen as one of the crown jewels of the league?
While I can see some comfort in remembering those days, I'd prefer to stay dissatisfied about these days. If anything, remembering the Greatest suiting up for your team shouldn't merely be fodder for nostalgia, but fuel to demand we get that feeling back.
(I realize I still have that darned '23' in the blog's logo. Any talented people out there up for tweaking that thing?)
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one without the 23, one with all the retired bulls #s(kind of crappy-looking though)
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
maybe a #7? :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
bah!
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
by chibullsfan03 on Sep 2, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
yfBB is actually Ben Gordon. ;)
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Sep 3, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't you post the image? I for one think he looks very bullish
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 6, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
7 is the number of my favorite ex bull
:)
but it ain’t bg.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Kukoc?
Seriously, your favorite?
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
for some reason he always was.
i was 12 when he started playing for the bulls!
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
When is the sans 23 logo going to appear on Blog a Bull?
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Sep 5, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
It was the weirdest thing...
When I tried to Photoshop it I removed the old number and under it was this:
It looks kind of like Jesus to me. I saw something like it on my toast the other day.
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by cranscape on Sep 2, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 31 recs
I wish there was a super-rec button.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Since when was there a mac in the logo?
Never noticed it until this post.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! My Eyes!
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Sep 2, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
HA!
the most hilarious (yet gag-inducing) thing I’ve seen in a minute!
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
With all the stupid dog tricks available a click away on youtube
that is an amazing compliment.
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bahahahah
seriously, yfbb´s post is likr drinking warm piss for breakfast.
The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-
I love it!!
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I laughed out loud in class.....you are awesome.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 3, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
One of the greatest comments in sports blog commenting history. Wow!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
So do I get immunity
for the next time I say something completely stupid concerning stats?
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Don't torture me like this!
I can’t see the picture, just the white box with the red x in the middle.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
Never mind, figured it out.
REC’D!
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
hmmm
the more I look at the bull’s right ear, the more it looks like a rose…veiled symbolism at its best
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
lol
good catch!
The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-
While I hate
when fans or franchises cling to the past too much, cough 85 Bears, cough, I think a little celebration of the Bulls’ history by the organization could go a long way in giving the current roster a sense of pride in putting on a Bulls uniform.
During the last Finals, the Lakers had a pre-game montage featuring Magic, Kareem, and Worthy cut together with Kobe, Pau, and company. That was pretty cool. If I were a Lakers fan, I would’ve had chills up my spine.
Why don’t the Bulls do that for the beginning of the season, or for big games? Show a Jordan dunk followed by a D-Rose dunk, a block by Rodman, then a block by Tyrus, Pippen’s playoff facial on Ewing, then Joakim’s dunk on Paul Pierce.
Brushing off players that have helped bring multiple championships to an organization re-enforces the sterorypical “big business” image of that organization, and the notion that players are disposable commodities, to be chewed up and spit out for profit, then forgotten.
I’m not suggesting we throw the 95-96 Bulls an annual parade, just give the people that contributed to those accomplishments a little recognition, and show today’s players that if they really care more about the number of games their team wins, than the number of zeroes on their paycheck, the franchise will appreciate it.
If the Bulls could cut to
Kobe and Pau after showing our former stars I think people would be excited. Right now we don’t have much to cut to besides Rose. If they cut to Deng you’d get a lot of “Who is that again?” from the audience. I think if they did at you suggested it might lead to depression. Especially since Tyrus has one foot out the door and would have to be removed from the video after he leaves, we have no one like Pippen, and Rodman…who do we have for him? We really only have Rose and then in far second Noah. Everyone else can be gone at any time, are not exciting, or in Deng’s case injured at any time and not that exciting.
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Maybe I'm just making this up,
but I thought they showed a montage before every game that does exactly that. Don’t they have a stock video of the Bulls over the years that ends with our current players?
haha
yeah…that’s exactly what they do.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 3, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
(and if anything it seems out of place)
they also did that ‘everything can change in the blink of an eye’ ad campaign comparing the dynasty Bulls to Curry/Chandler/etc. That…wasn’t well received.
But the reason for both is that they stunk. If the team gets good then the comparisons would work better. I wish there was more tying in to the fact that the Bulls are a top NBA franchise (we can’t bank on weather or tax breaks in free agency), but it’s tougher as the years go on and the mediocrity (to sucking) continues.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 3, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing the attachment to people who saw Jordan from Day 1 (and maybe from college)
Is much different than those who were kids in the 90s and were brought up just assuming the Bulls were the shit. If you were a fan who watched those crappy 80s teams, maybe loving Jordan for saving the franchise means a lot more.
Jordan is, weird as it sounds, above association with any team. I’ll definitely feel much more nostalgic when Pippen is inducted in a few years.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 3, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed, to a certain extent
I definitely think people who saw the bad Bulls teams of the 80s have a different appreciation for Jordan than the rest of us, but even though my Bulls fandom dates back to only about 1992ish I can still acknowledge that I’m a huge Jordan fan.
And as much as I love Pip, seeing Jordan go in is just a little more special to me.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 3, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno, how is it that special when he was a no-brainer HOF the 1st time he retired?
It was just a matter of time before this date came, you couldn’t have said the same for Scottie until his NBA career was finally over.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 3, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you though
It’s such a no-brainer that it doesn’t seem special at all.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
Besides the fact it seems
weird someone that great has to share the award with some really questionable players who seem a lot less great than MJ and his nearest peers. There is fame and then there is FAME.
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what?
you couldn’t say Pippen was a sure fire HOF after he won 6 championships? What did he do once he left the Bulls that put him in the HOF?
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 3, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Word.
I’m not saying that the fact Jordan IS going into the HOF is special, I’m saying that actually watching him go in and seeing everyone pay tribute to the greatest player of all time (and knowing that he played for my team) will still make me swell up with pride and possibly feel a couple goosebumps.
It’s not like I think it’s special because I thought it would never happen — that’s ridiculous. I just think it’s a cool thing to be able to say you saw the greatest basketball player ever get inducted into the Hall of Fame.
You don’t think people thought it was special when Babe Ruth was inducted into baseball’s HOF?
by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 4, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh
and that last question was directed at Ozzie, bigballa10 and cranscrape mainly. I was agreeing with you Smurf.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 4, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I suppose it was.
But I think honoring Jordan in a more prominent manner would make me feel all fuzzy inside. But, would Stern have the balls to put the corporate monolith that is MJ as the new logo of the league (as would make the most sense), or name the MVP trophy after him, or anything else like that?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 4, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ruth was in the first HoF class, so yeah, people probably thought it was special
Also, the basketball HoF is a joke. It’s a mix of pros and college and largely a tribute to college coaches. Personally, basketball HoF won’t mean anything until they set one up just for pro basketball.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
I didn't even know there was a basketball HOF until right now.
That’s exactly how much I care.
Weeeeee.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
It seems that you're right
I was 10 in 1984 and the excitement that he generated in the city was just off the charts. It doesn’t mean I sit around watching Jordan clips all the time or that I don’t appreciate the current players. Until we got Rose, there hasn’t been a player that can get you up out of your seat and say “Whoa” on this team since Jordan. During the championship run, it got the point where I think a lot of us started to expect that we would win every year. Now that it’s over, I see nothing wrong with showing appreciation for those years.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
by bigballa10 on Sep 3, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are right
I began watching the Bulls and basketball for that matter, the year that Jordan broke his foot. I think enduring all those years of losing to the Pistons made the eventual championships that much more enjoyable. It is difficult for me to fathom someone liking the Bulls but not idolizing MJ, but alas I grew up in a different era.
Chicago Sports used to suck
I’m 50. I remember the 69 cubs melt down, the horrible Bears with Abe and the one man show, Walter Payton. ChiSox and Cubs were usually bad. Bears too.
Bulls were not on TV much, used to use the radio to follow the bulls in the 70’s. A lone bright spot. I knew their well names but not their faces.
You only get a great championship run with team once or twice a lifetime.
Why are fans such fans? Because knowing the past helps to appreciate the future. The only thing siller than holding on to the past is bitching about ifans who are fans and remember it. What is the point of follwing a team if not for the memory ?
This blog is sooo hung up on winning a championship next season. It’s really hard to understand the all or nothing, high standard and bitching about Paxson and Ben Gordon.
If you want to see franchises run by losers, look at the Raider Nation – a horribly dysfunctional team that truly is run by a nut. Or Chris Cohan’s 15 year destruction of the GS Warrior franchise.
6 NBA titles and 1 WS and Jerry’s some cheap loser because he didn’t overpay Ben Gordon.
That view lacks perspective.
by Noe_Valley on Sep 3, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now you are bitching about BG. Hard to resist it, huh?
I just think most people don’t want to waste our chance with Rose by messing around with a bad coach, dysfunctional team, stingy management, and otherwise acting like we are a team in OKC instead of Chicago where we should have the money and resources not to have to fight for the Pargos of the league like we’ve won the freak’n lotto. Getting a star free agent is a long shot. Are we attractive enough and in position to get someone? What happens if we don’t get someone? How gutted and trade chip deficient are we then? Chicago has Obama and still can’t charm the Olympic committee. Maybe we just are not as attractive as some believe.
Jerry was a cheap loser long before BG came around. If you followed the fall of the Bulls empire it was abundantly clear then too. And he did overpay a player. Deng. So he is cheap and plays favorites to the detriment to the team. He also blows a bunch of money on baseball and then with basketball acts like he hasn’t been making hand over fist the last twenty years.
>This blog is sooo hung up on winning a championship next season.
I don’t think anyone believes we will do much better than last year. We are hung up by the fact Rose is ready and the Bulls are still tooling along like he isn’t even a factor in their plans. I don’t know why everyone else is watching but for me it isn’t because I love getting knocked out of the first round of the playoffs and watching Miller’s tooth getting knocked out. We’ve seen good players waste away on teams that have no interest in winning. I don’t want to have that happen to Rose. Other teams are loading up. We are waiting around for Vinny to hatch into a real coach or something.
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by cranscape on Sep 3, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So I'll mark you down for "no comment"
as a reply to my post? Seriously, you had no thoughtful response to anything I said? I don’t think you get this Internets thing very well.
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This guy is trolling
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/9/4/1015219/around-the-association-2009-2010#20760178
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
And he isn't even a monogamous troll. Phht!
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Trolling?
This is the lede on Blog-a-Bull
“Step1: Cut Payroll Step2: Profit! Step3: There’s supposed to be another step?”
Compare Jerry to Chris Cohan or Sterling.
How about a sense of perspective ?
Perspective? Compare Reinsdorf to Buss, RC Buford, Paul Allen.......
We don’t root for the Warriors or Clippers, nor have their minimal fanbases and revenue streams.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 8, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
SF BayArea facts
There are other cases of far worse owners than Jerry.
Grizzly, Sonics, Hornets, Bobcats and Sac Kings who want to move the team to Vegas.
I am born and raised in Chicago proper and love the franchises but live leftcoast now. Golden State has a fantastic fan base and good facilities.
“We Believe” was a Fan’s idea. Signs and all. He took No money from the franchise. Awesome fanbase.
Bay Area has the #1 per capita income of all major metro areas in the USA. It is #5 in terms of population.
It supports two NLF and MLB franchises but only one NBA franchise.
Stern = FAIL. San Jose needs a franchise to play in the Shark Tank.
Bottom line, Jerry R. isn’t a bad owner, far from it.
Memphis, OKC, New Orleans, Charlotte and Sacremento
Are much smaller cities than Chicago. Compare Jerry to another team’s owner where the team has as much income as the Bulls.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Sep 10, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I love you Michael!
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (screams like a 12 year old girl)
I have seen a QB and it was good.
"If anything, remembering the Greatest suiting up for your team shouldn't merely be fodder for nostalgia, but fuel to demand we get that feeling back. "
That’s exactly right. That’s what I don’t understand about some of the posts that have said to kind of wait and see as if there is a real plan in effect. If there was, a former #3 pick would not have just walked away for nothing. As a person who saw the Bulls struggle in Jordan’s first days to reach a dynasty level, to watch this mess is maddening. Now we are pretty much back to be being barely a playoff team. We got lucky and a potential superstar landed in our laps. Mediocrity and lining JR’s pockets cannot be the goal.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
The plan should have been
to get everything out of your number three pick (who was short when you drafted him btw) just like any other team would do. Something smart like accepting his signature on the offer you penned yourself when you had the chance. You could either have him locked in for the future if he fits with the team or have him on a decent contract that could be included in trades to match money and be a carrot. Either way he is an asset to you at that price. Or maybe they could have let Miami get him instead vetoing that too when it came along. And then finally, it would have been nice if you didn’t spend this off season saying you were going to do everything you could to keep him a Bull and then when the time never give him a call and an offer to look over and then later brag about bagging Pargo like he was a hot commodity.
They messed up three off seasons and then claimed they saved money in the end. Nope. They lost money in the long run. This is a valuable 3rd pick that evaporated into thin air. If they were worried about his height they should have not drafted him. If they didn’t like him on their team they should have found a way to cash in on their 3rd pick.
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Sunk Costs
Ben’s #3 pick was a sunk cost. Sunk costs are retrospective (past) costs which have already been incurred and cannot be recovered.
Bulls offer was formidable and Ben’s agent stupidly decided to hold out. Ben LOST money by rejecting the 07 and 08 offers. LOST MONEY over his career given what he signed for in Detroit. Ben Gordon messed up. I;m glad Chicago didn’t tie up that much money in a 6’1" SG.
He didn't lose money. That math is documented all over this site.
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Tie up salary, salary cap is an asset.
Ben would tie up too salary cap for a perimeter player. The Pistons overpaid.
Not wasting cap space isn’t an owner being cheap. It’s managing a franchise budget.
Managing a budget would mean
not overpaying an injury prone SF and getting rid of a redundant PG while keeping attractive talent on the team to entice a premiere free agent. I am not sure why you love Jerry so much. He was just as bad in the 1990s.
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Deng and Ben
Why I love Jerry. 6 F’n NBA titles and 1 WS title. ’nuff said.
Recall Jerry paid a huge sum to keep Jordan from bolting to NY or elsewhere. Also took a chance firing the popular Collins for Jackson.
As for Deng,
Pax made generous offers to Ben and Deng.
Deng said yes and Ben said no.
I thought that Pax made a mistake bidding against himself with BOTH offers higher than necessary.
Deng was wise to accept and I think Ben (& agent) saw Deng’s offer wanted the same or more $ given what Deng got.
So I don’t see a Sophie’s Choice here. Pax tried to sign BOTH.
The guy who took it got hurt , badly.
Taking Rose was a no brainier.
Yes K.Hinrick needs to be moved given it’s bad use of cap space to tie up that much in a reserve PG/SG. And he’s a popular player as is Gorden and Deng. All these guys are “professional” compared to the ave NBA player.
I want and expect to see Deng score more now that Gordon’s not taking shots and I expect Deng to shoot a higher FG% then Ben Gordon.
Jerry took Jordan on one year contracts
That’s cheap. Paxdorf was an idiot with both of the Deng and Ben negotiations. He overpaid Deng, and lowballed Ben. Paxdorf tried to, one of them accepted immediately, one of them accepted later, but they said no to Ben.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Sep 10, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem to have a selective memory
When Jerry signed Jordan to that huge sum of money, he famously stated that he hoped he wouldn’t regret doing it. That really stung MJ and rightfully so considering how much money he has made your beloved Jerry over all those years.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
I didn't know that when [relatively] short people play basketball, they totally forget how to play.
It’s like they’re disabled or something.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Height? No Problem; It's Don Nelson posting as Prevenge.
Most NBA teams put tall guys at the C and PF positions. It’s as if there was some mysterious fascination with height in the NBA.
It's as if SG's under 6'4 suck.
Even Dwayne Wade!
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
Size matters, even for Wade
Wade’s 6’4" and a better offensive talent that Ben Gordon, more explosive and 20 lbs stronger.
Have you ever seen BG's arms?
They’re huge. Wade’s listed at 6’3, and while Wade is better at offense, Ben’s the better shooter.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Sep 7, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He is a better shooter, watching 10 minutes of basketball would prove this
If there’s a weakness in Wade’s game, it’s perimeter shooting.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 8, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Wade vs Ben
Both guys are great professionals.
Wade’s listed 1" more than Ben and He’s 20lbs stronger.
Wade gets to the basket far easier than Ben so he gets a high % and gets FT.
Wade can get his shot off while Ben needs help.
Ben’s a fantastic 6th man and shooter but not for 11M / year.
Wade also has a title.
Wade is listed at 6'3
Ben’s listed at 6’3. Ben is built like a tank. He’s as strong as Wade.
Yes, Wade gets to the basket easier.
Since when does Ben have trouble getting his shot off?
Yes, Wade is exponentially better than Ben. I’m arguing that since Wade being 6’3 doesn’t stop him, why should it stop Ben? Ben and Wade are both incredibly skilled players, so that their height doesn’t stop them. This was never Wade vs. Ben.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Sep 10, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade is listed at 6'4" actually
but there is no way Ben is really 6’3".
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
Maybe Ben is 6' and Wade is 6'2"
Maybe the entire league is smaller than advertised. Someone should catch them walking through the door of a Steak ’n Shake to see how they measure.
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You know who sucks at center?
Amare Stoudamire. Man, when Pheonix was playing with him as center, they were like going to conference finals and stuff.
Then they got Shaq because he’s tall!
VOILA! IT WORKS!!!!! IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW GOOD PEOPLE ARE! They just need to be tall!
I get it now. My eyes have been magically opened.
With magic.
Oh, yeah, and the point about Dwayne Wade’s kind of relevant too.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Size is necessary, not sufficient
Why not prove the point with a player under 35 ?
Oh, and Shaq’s on Cleveland. Why? ‘cause he’s tall. He’s old and slow but tall else he’d be retired.
Size is very helpful, but doesn't need to be considered as a plus or minus
relative to a player’s actual production, because their production will reflect their height and problems [or lack thereof].
I was trying to think of a tall person who played and replaced a short player and then made the team worse. I couldn’t think of many. It’s not very common.
I’d assume Shaq’s on Cleveland because:
-They got rid of Ben Wallace[yay!]
-He can give them ‘veteran savvy’
-He was fairly effective in the minutes he played last year
If Shaq was 6’9 and had the same accolades the Cavaliers would’ve picked him up, too.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Yeah Cleveland is wasting James
Cleveland might never win it all given the cast they out around James.
Cool!
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Sep 10, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Pargo
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
Then fine don't overpay
But you also would have the foresight to know that ahead of time and get something for him (expiring contracts for example). It’s not like he was taller and all of a sudden became 6’1" last year.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
Lose, lose & Sunk costs
Paxson’s trade for Salmons and Miller iced the cake. After that trade Ben was done and guys, the #3 pick is a sunk cost. Once you pick a guy, his value is based solely on what he does and what he costs, not where he was picked.
What happened with Ben was a lose lose situation. He held out and lost money. The Piston’s offer does not compensate for the salary he turned down if he accepted the 07 or 08 offers. Bulls lost a player they were willing to pay very well and it hurts to lose him but the fact they did not Panic and tie up too much money is a good sign.
Banhammer please.
This guy is an idiot and he’s anti-Bg so that should be enough for yfbb.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
I usually wouldn't agree with banning
But his trolling all the BG stuff is at a ridiculous level.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
Can I just say that "banhammer" is one of my all-time favorite made-up
internet concepts. I love it. I just imagine Matt bitchslapping these guys with a gigantic hammer and them flying away, Super Smash Brothers style.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Sep 6, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=341ZPOVcEhg&feature=fvw
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Sep 6, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
flag, don't nag
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 8, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Just because you can repeat things doesn't make them true.
-Yes, it’s a sunk cost.
-Ben gained money.
-Yes, it does make up for the money he lost. The math’s been done on this site numerous times. It’s in some old fanpost.
-Ben tried to accept the deal and was rejected.
The fact that negotiations got to the point where they didn’t even make an offer is not a good sign and paints the FO in an extremely negative light, doubly so given how cordial/hardworking/etc. Gordon’s been during his time here.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Ben lost money
2007 $3,862,080
2008 $4,881,669
Income 8,743,749
He turned $50 million for five years in 2007 and $54 million for six years in 2008.
He singed a contract estimated at five years for $55 million.
In 2007 and 2008 he made 8.7 M instead of ~20M if he took the contract.
The opportunity cost of holding out 2007 & 2008 is about 11M.
He gains 5 M over 5 years over the 2007 contract. He loses 11M in waiting the 2 years.
9M loss.
I understand Ben tried to accept the offer PAST the date it was tenured.
I figured out who you are!
http://www.blogabull.com/2009/7/1/935060/ben-gordon-is-a-piston-were-stuck
You were corrected on a number of things way back then and are bringing back the same crap now like it is all fresh and new. Don’t you have better things to do than repeat yourself? You are wasting everyone’s time.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
I am a woman. So that doesn't really work.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
but enough about Jannero Pargo...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jannero Pargo:
The guard we signed because he’s a downgrade from DeMarcus Nelson.
Wait, what?!?
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
The more expensive downgrade.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Sep 5, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Jordan fan first, Bulls fan second
The Bulls past is important to me because those memories create the allegiances that tie you to the team. Otherwise as Seinfeld said you are just rooting for laundry.
I was a Bulls fan since birth but the late 70s and early 80s were nothing to get excited about. I actually remember how upset my dad was when we lost the coin flip and got David Greenwood instead of Magic. Things like that always seemed to happen. Orlando Woolridge was fun to watch but the team was just average at best.
When Jordan was drafted I was nine years old and I remember my dad telling me to watch him because he was going to be really good. I got to see him on the exhibition tour and then watch him in the Olympics. By the time he got to the Bulls, he was already my favorite player.
Then came the early days of his career, when you would go to the Stadium on a frigid night and pay somebody to watch your car. There were plenty of seats, especially in the 2nd balcony where there were only four or five rows in the entire section and you could wander around. The lights would go down, Tommy Edwards would do the introductions….it was like you were in on a secret. Jordan was doing amazing things almost immediately. Then the national pub came, and he was living up to it and actually exceeding it.
I was 14 when Jordan hit The Shot and 16 when the Bulls won the first title, and I was along for the entire ride. Nothing could ever top seeing your favorite player on your favorite team in your favorite sport do the impossible over and over again and eventually bring championships, changing the identity of an entire city in the process, while you are between the ages of 9-18.
While I know it can never be that good again (at least for me), the organizational missteps over the past 12 years leave such a bad taste in my mouth that my Bulls fandom is waning. Derrick Rose is a life raft, but I haven’t seen the all-out commitment to being the best that Jordan personified for so long. I think that’s where the nostalgia comes from.
I forgot about that
We actually used to go to games all the time before they started to get really good and there always used to be a lot of empty seats. When he came back from that broken foot, the crowd went bonkers. It was just an exciting thing and you knew you were witnessing something special in the making.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
Jordan fan first, today: cranscrape artist expression fan!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Like Matt wrote
I believe Michael did belong to the whole world, not just us. Same as how LeBron is perceived today.
But I can’t agree that because of this, we shouldn’t remember and celebrate the greatest thing that had ever fallen into a Bulls lap.
So because Derrick was born and raised in Chicago, he’s more “ours” than “theirs”? I can’t agree with that either. Yeah, it helps his hometown hero campaign but it does nothing to change what he brings to our team.
Point being, most great talents are usually for the world to admire. Not because of where they are from or what they actually mean to the city but because of what they meant to the team. And simply put, without MJ . . . I probably would never have had the chance to feel the joy of an NBA championship. And for that reason alone, I thank God for the luck of the draw that allowed us as Bulls fans to witness the GOAT and what he brought the the team . . . not the world.
Also worth adding though
I do still grimace when nostalgic posts are put up. Nothing wrong with loving the past but it’s come to the point where you must move on already . . .
But I make exceptions for days like this (The HOF build up) cause it gives us all one last chance to remember. After this, whattya got? 25th anniversaries and such? Ehh, not for me. The HOF though, it’s kinda special even if he’s pretty much already in there.
I just hope this finally puts an end to the numerous #23 jerseys you still see today at the United Center.
Eh, who am I kidding?
Retro jerseys are so in nowadays
Moving on is hard to do
when you’re being asked to move from the best sports memories you’ve ever had and ever will have for that matter.
Although I would agree that you can’t call yourself a Bulls fan if you’re only interested in the Jordan Dynasty and don’t know what is happening with the team now.
It's been over 10 years!
If your mother had passed away in 98, would you still be bringing her up at every possible mention? No, because it’s pointless to keep doing yourself harm
awesome analogy!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 3, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
not really
one is a horrible, bad memory…the other is good, championship, fond memories. You can’t equate the two in my mind.
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
oh ok
gotcha, my bad. I can understand that part of it then.
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
The '!' indicated sarcasm.
it was friggin’ stupid.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 4, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
gah!
my bad…my sarcasm meter was broken yesterday
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
Seriously
I haven’t seen anybody around here constantly bringing up Jordan or the dynasty years. I don’t claim to have read all the posts but I just don’t see where this reaction is coming from. If this HOF thing wasn’t coming up, we wouldn’t be talking about MJ right now at all.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 4, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe once my dad got remarried, I'd stop bringing them up
But until I had some better memories to replace them, it’d always be in the back of my mind.
(Although, bringing Jordan up at every single turn of the clock is excessive)
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 3, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
ive always thought they should retire the #23 league wide
i wonder if they will ever consider doing thato ne day
Michael Jordan is G.O.A.T.
Made Chicago basketball “must see TV.”
Back than everybody watched Jordan play… my family doesn’t even like basketball… but they loved watching Jordan.
Best Jordan memory was the “Flu” game. Jordan really pushed himself to the limit against Utah.
Good times. Those were the days…
My great grandmother watched the Bulls
back during their run. It would be both of my grandparents, my uncle and his family, and my great grandmother and us all watching the game in front of one tv. During the days she couldn’t go out to watch with us she’d call us up and we’d have to talk her through using her tv remote to get it on in her apartment. BJ was her favorite. That doesn’t happen anymore. It used to be God, country, and the Bulls in that order. Now it seems like the Bulls are lower down than the Blackhawks.
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haha
i think thats true, my mom, who in no shape or form is a sports enthusiast, her favorite player back in the day was also bj….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Haha, that's true! My mom loved BJ
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 4, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
"uh oh, I might get in trouble for that one"
-Ron Burgundy
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 4, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope you bought her dinner.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 4, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a perspective from someone who grew up a Bulls fan in the 70's
I started going to the games in the mid 70’s just after the Van Lier/Sloan/Love teams that were pretty good. My Dad and a friend’s Dad always got free tickerts that were really good. Just a few rows back from the hockey boards in the Old Stadium. Loved the hot dogs. Loved Super Fan huffing and puffing as he ran around the stadium slapping hands with everyone. Team? Not so much. Back then you rooted for the Bulls and then picked another team to cheer for in the playoffs. The Bulls had the #2 pick in the draft at least twice and took Scott May and David Greenwood. Journeymen at best. The franchise completely changed however when they took Jordan with the #3 pick in 1984.
Jordan came out and dominated unlike anything I’ve ever seen in watching sports for 40+ years. He averaged 28 his rookie year and was on the cover of Sports Illustrated early in the season (“A Star is Born”). He was elected as a starter as a rookie where Isaiah Thomas supposedly ordered a “freeze-out” of Jordan because he didn’t like all the attention he was getting. The team still sucked, but fans had something (or someone) to cheer for. The following year was the foot injury but after that MJ put together some of the most spectacular seasons in the history of the game. Between ‘86 and ’92 Jordan averaged over 30 points per game with FG%’s of 48, 54, 54, 53, 54, 52. He did that while being double teamed, played first team defense and while also being a poor 3 point shooter which was his only weakness (early on). If the current hand check rules were in place he would have averaged over 40 without question.
The funnest part was watching the transformation from an individually great player to a superstar to a world champion and worldwide icon. The wars with the champion Pistons that they finally dethroned in dominant fashion reducing the Bad Boyz to spolied brats as the starters stomped off the floor before the final game was over in the 4-0 Bulls sweep. The subsequent battles with the Knicks were legendary. The single greatest sporting event I saw in person was game 6 of their 3rd championship. After trailing the Knicks 2-0 and being written off for dead, the Bulls stormed back and won the next 3 games. The Stadium was on fire that night and despite a close game I never thought for a moment they would lose. As I recall MJ didn’t go off that night, but Scottie Pippen had a great game inlcuding a late 3 pointer that essentially sealed the victory. You could not hear yourself talk at that point. After the final buzzer the fans refused to leave and started chanting “Michael, Michael, Michael” for several minutes. Suddenly Jordan appeared from the entrance behind the basket and started leading cheers for about 3 or 4 minutes. The entire place shook. I can only imagine what it must have been like for Starks, Ewing, Mason and company hearing that in the losing locker room. The finals seemed a formality and that 2-0 disadvantage was as tough a series they would ever play in the 6 season run.
The Bulls franchise itself also saw a transformation. Without MJ there is no United Center. There are no championships. The Bulls franchise would be on par with the Cavs or probably below as the Cavs will have a shot at a title every year LeBron is there. Michael Jordan is the greatest athlete in the history of Chicago sports and it’s not even close. My only regret is that he would have retured a Bull, but that’s another story. Jordan never argued about his salary which was dwarfed by his Nike earnings and played on 1 year deals which is unheard of now.
I hope Reinsdorf makes a huge deal about the HOF induction. Michael Jordan not only saved the franchise and put the Bulls on the map, he IS the franchise. If you were just a kid when MJ was in his prime do yourself a favor and go to Pro Basketball Reference and stare at the numbers. The MVP’s, the All Star games, the Finals MVP’s, the defensive awards, etc. He was truly an amazing athelete both physically and mentally, and Chicago fans were blessed to wtiness his career firsthand.
by Duck99 on Sep 3, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
For a time, MJ was the most recognized person on Planet Earth.
My kid brother would put out the all-star ballots at Chi Stadium and get to see the games for free. I went a long a few times.
Folks forget that the 70s were hard on cities and Chicago had horrible sports teams, the Bulls were above average for the city and when Jordan finally shined and bears won it all in 85-86, we had a winning city.
Great read indeed....brings back memories
This post gives me new perspective on why some of us react differently to the current team. It might also be easy to figure out when some of you started following the team.
I’m guessing the die hard Pip fans started watching towards the end or right after the first three peat when Scottie got to showcase himself in those 1.5 yrs post MJ’s first retirement.
Those of you who feel MJ belonged to a wider audience than just Chicago definitely started watching during the second 3-peat run.
People outside of LA who feel Kobe compares favorably with MJ (and have yet to adopt advanced stats) either completely missed MJ’s entire run with the Bulls or caught just the last couple of years of it.
I hope ESPN and NBA TV show a lot of the earlier Bulls years. A random game and season that comes to mind:
1989 against the Bucks: Michael had 50pts and the game winner. Those of you who weren’t around during those years probably don’t know that the Bucks were consistently good in the 80s. My brother and I were grounded, so we weren’t supposed to be watching TV, but snuck into the basement to watch the game. When MJ hit the game winner, we screamed so loud that my dad heard us and came down. He had been watching the game as well, but was so amped, he let us off the hook and made milkshakes for us instead.
The 1988-89 season is probably the one I remember most because by the end of it, I think fans collectively began the transition from merely rooting for the team to win to thinking we might be good enough to contend for a title. For whatever reason, Game 3 against the Pistons was even more memorable for me than the shot against the Cavs in round 1.
Given the attention and build up to his HOF induction, by showing more of the earlier years, I think people who missed those years will have a better appreciation of how dynamic a player he actually was to watch. I didn’t get to see Dr J at his best and because they rarely show any of his ABA games, its harder for me to “get” why people talk about him like he was a god. I got to see “MJ” during what I think were the best of his highlight reel days, but unfortunately for a lot of you, they came before the first title (IMO).
PS – the old stadium was crazy in those days. Back then, the true, die hard fans used to outnumber the ones jumping on the bandwagon for the ride.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Sep 5, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You're right about Pip
Older fans we’re pretty frustrated with him prior to the championship run. He was the one who seemed intimidated by the Pistons (migraine before game 7). It was the immense improvement of Scottie and Horace that eventually made the Bulls a great team and it seemed to happen in about a 3 week span in the playoffs of the first title run. Horace became a monster on the O and D glass. Pippens coming out was the defense and finishing on the break. In the Finals he completely took Magic out of the series by picking him up full court after every made basket. Brilliant move by Phil and carried out by Pip.
Can’t believe the 20 year anniversary of that first title is coming soon, and can’t believe that JR allowed Krause to alienate both Phil and MJ to the point they left at least one and perhaps more championships on the table. The entire franchise can be defined by the Jordan/Jackson years and everything else.
by Duck99 on Sep 5, 2009 7:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would assume the Bulls pull out some nice tricks for MJ
But, they’d damn well better do the same thing when Pippen is enshrined next year, as well as Horace Grant (who might not make it, but still has a shot).
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 5, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
"Everyone gets the greatness of Jordan, so being a Bulls fan too doesn't add much."
Aside from things like the 63-point game against Boston, the 1988 All-Star Weekend in Chicago, MJ taking the Bulls to playoffs every year he was with the team and making the team relevant, killing himself on the court every night, saving the Bulls from the peril of defeat time and time again (scoring all fourth quarter points before Pax’s shot in Game 6 against Phoenix and The Shot II in Game 6 against Utah), almost single-handedly carrying the team and leading them to six titles, resurrecting a franchise and ultimately instilling what would likely inspire why Derrick Rose would want to play for his hometown team, I’m totally with you on this. MJ really didn’t do much else for Bulls fans, and we shouldn’t acknowledge him going into the HOF.
by ToroToroToro on Sep 4, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Wow, so Bulls fans...
and sane people do still exist on this blog…. So THIS is where A-M-A-Z-I-N-G happens!
by Homer-ism101 on Sep 5, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh my....
Ya only feel that way becuase he was yours to have.
I hated that team. And I hated Jordan for being Jordan.
Dam that coin flip, Dam “The Dream” Hakeem,
Jordan is still the greatest ever to dribble a ball though.
until the second comming…. I’ll continue to hate.
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-Dave
Slow day for DT?
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we're all struggling
but I do pledge to you that no matter what, I will not subscribe to the SportsUnplugged twitter feed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 8, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Could Jordan buy the Bulls from Reinsdorf?
I read somewhere that he has an $800 million net worth. Or maybe that was Magic? Either way, he probably has at least 600, and that should be enough.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
he doesn't want to spend his own money.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
It seems his induction was years ago
I’ll watch though. It’ll be pleasant.
"We're only gonna score 17 points? Hah hah" - some clown.
man if I could delete this fanpost I would
for all the fan posts of mine you delete Is this post so much greater. Man Michael Jordon is gone dude. this is 2009
If you dont like me please ignore me and my posts
The Pirates,Reds,Royals, and Padres are not major league teams
enjoyed that post by duck99
As much as I enjoyed that post by duck99, I have to say it—MJ was over-rated. He was great, but greater than Magic, Bird, Kareem, or even Kobe? I don’t think so. MJ was a great player, but title by title, there was a lot of fortune involved. Starting with the title against the injury-depleted Lakers in 1990, and ending with the cliffhangers against the stockton-Malone Jazz.
Krause was right—orgs win titles, not players.
Dude, the Pistons beat the Blazers for the title in 1990.
The Lakers were injury depleted in 1989, when they were swept by the Pistons.
As for Kobe > MJ, give me a freaking break.
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by Granny Waiters on Sep 7, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Is your name boobie trap because everyone is going to fall into your well-placed trolling comment?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lmao
Awesome!!
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
u must have a rare form of retardation
"One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others"
Often times the popular things are the best. The reason is, they are the easiest to sell and market, so logically the people that make their living marketing and selling things are going to want to promote the best and easiest to sell product.
It’s not always true of course, particularly in artsy fields, but in a field such as basketball or another competitive marketplace such as vehicles, the best products are going to outshine and become more popular than their competitors (in the vehicle market, that means comparing a Toyota Corolla to something like a Ford Fusion, not a Jaguar to a Kia).
But to Jordan, I don’t like the reasoning that has to do with many other teams and fans appreciating and becoming personal fans of Jordan. That’s exactly what happens when the best player is on your team, they become popular. If Rose becomes the best player in the NBA, one of the top 5 defenders and a 25ppg/10apg guy, should we start to dislike him just because his fanbase will multiply and include a ton of bandwagon/non Chicagoans? I think not. We should appreciate the fact that we were fans of him first and that we are fortunate enough to be real fans of the Bulls and Rose.
It’s a slow month, so I really do feel like a Jordan post is more than appropriate. It’s certainly more relevant than finding out what KC said then later retracted about some off hand rumor we heard on hoopshype.
We can also learn from the past and appreciate how extraordinary Jordan really was.
For all of BG’s magnificent offensive plays last postseason, he was still a poor man’s Jordan, and Jordan did that stuff in the middle of November, not May (and without letting the opposing team’s SG put up 50 a game, heh).
With a top 5 set of defensive skills and some more consistency, Ben Gordon would also become an incredibly popular star, yet you would still love him. We already had a completely, unarguably top player in Jordan, yet you can’t even give us a real HOF appreciation post, just some poor excuses (age, popularity) of why you don’t really want to post about Jordan.
This is one of the better basketball blogs, but thumbs down on this post.
I just had nothing new or interesting to add about it
(not that it’s stopped me much before)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 8, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, I didn’t read the replies, I don’t always go through the replies before commenting myself. I read your article and it definitely hit a chord with me, so I replied.
After your reply I did read some of the other replies, and started to feel sorry for being so hard on you, but then I remembered the content of your article!
I’d rather see some counterpoints to all of these old and uninteresting points we’re making than just mockery, but I suppose it is best to move on to other things.
the anti troll trolls
[i]"Is your name boobie trap because everyone is going to fall into your well-placed trolling comment? "[/i]
no for jordan’s sake, just look at the record. The Bulls first title was against an injury depleted Laker team. IIRC, Magic and Worthy were both hurt, and they were left with Sam Perkins as their #1 scoring option. Then against the Blazers, the Bulls damn near blew it until Phil Jackson famously put in all the scrubs who snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. The Suns within a missed 3 pointer of going up 3-1 against the Bulls. And both finals against the Jazz were won on buzzer-beaters. The one convincing title was against Seattle.
Jordan was a great player, both offensively and defensively, but he was statistically very fortunate to get the six titles that are his claim to fame. Was he head & shoulders above Magic, Kareem, Bird, or other greats? Resoundingly, no.
Spoken like a well-versed troll.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 8, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
now, now
he could just as easily be a well-meaning idiot.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 8, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
The Suns within a missed 3 pointer of going up 3-1 against the Bulls.
Actually, the Bulls were one triple OT loss (where Pippen cramped up and dumbo Stacey King threw the ball right to Barkley under Phoenix’s hoop) away from a sweep.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Please, we all know Thunder Dan Majerle was an unstoppable force
Only David Stern and his giant conspiracies took the title away from Phoenix.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 8, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I still maintain that should have been an offensive foul on Barkley,
not a defensive foul on Horace Grant.
Actually, the Bulls were one triple OT loss (where Pippen cramped up and dumbo Stacey King threw the ball right to Barkley under Phoenix’s hoop) away from a sweep.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Sep 8, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
ok I was wrong
about the phoenix finals—I was just going from memory and it was a long time ago. I looked it up and probably what I had it mind was that Dan Majerle missed a long three pointer that rolled out that would have given the Suns a 7 point lead with about a minute left, and probably forced a game 7.
It remains true that the Bulls had the benefit of some nice breaks in amassing their six titles. I am a Bulls fan, just not a blind one. Had fortune broken the other way it could have easily been 3 or 4 instead of six. Then people would be talking about how Magic had more rings than Michael.
And if not having time to pore over NBA records from 16 years ago makes me a ‘troll,’ or an ‘idiot’—guilty as charged.
"in that case"
-magic was close to not geting HIV
-grant hill was close to not geting injured
-bulls almost didnt get the no3 pick (jordan)
-iverson almost resigned for Phili
-kobe almost wasnt traded to Lakers and almost didnt get Shaq or Pau
…ur point?
"One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others"
you almost were coherent & sane.
Then you brought Magic & HIV into it.
The point should be obvious, but it was just that Jordan was not the God-like overwhelmingly dominant force that some seem to perceive. In short,, Jordan was often over-rated, and Jerry Krause was right when he said that “Players don’t win championships. Organizations do”
You can disagree if you want; that’s fine. It is just my opinion.
Your comment contracticed what you mentioned
i was also stating my opinion and i disagreed. But its my opinion which is clearly disagreed by you. The only incoherent statement is yours and its not only me that sees this but also the majority of the intelligent.
You keep beleiving in your “organisations win championships” theory and one day you might actualy watch a game of basketball.
no offence, just my opinion
"One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others"
If u are up at the moment
they are showing 23 hours of jordan on comcast sports net, including full games in original broadcast….its pretty cool
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I agree about the lack of MJ's connection with the Bulls
When you say Babe Ruth, you think the Yankees.
When you say Michael Jordan, you don’t think the Bulls.
MJ does not care about the Bulls anymore. During his speech he barely complemented anyone from the organization except Pippen (which was also brief). He did not hesitate to take shots at people from the Bulls.
I don't know where you get that from
Unless somebody is like a teenager, you think of MJ in a Bulls uniform. He also told plenty of stories about the Bulls and even spoke well of Reinsdorf. The only shot he took was at Krause. Never once did he mention being with the Wizards.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
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