Yet more Omer Asik at Eurobasket
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 14, 2009 6:57 PM CDT
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[UPDATE by your friendly BullsBlogger, 09/15/09 10:45 AM CDT: More from Doug on Asik's performance against Serbia ]
I know what some of you are thinking: why dedicate so much to someone who's not even a Bull? But enough about Michael Jordan...
Doug Thonus at ChicagoNow dons his scouting hat watching some tape of Asik both in his game against Poland as well as a more recent contest against the Gasol brothers of Spain.
Go read the whole thing, but the summation is that while Asik doesn't have much offensive polish, he knows where he needs to be on the court and can finish.
Thinking about a future PF/C rotation is almost impossible at this point (will Miller fall off a cliff in terms of performance? Do the Bulls want to keep Tyrus at all? Bosh, Amare, Boozer?), but any young adequate big man is worth keeping, and makes the inadequate big men like Aaron Gray and Taj Gibson (just figuring, who knows...) less important, which would be just as nice of a bonus.
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He looks..... Intimidating.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Sep 15, 2009 12:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
by SoulEater7 on Sep 15, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
omg
that is the funniest picture ever…..especially reading your “intimidating” comment….HAHAHA RECD!!!!
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by piccolomair on Sep 15, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
I may have to use the KC Johnson photo when describing Asik, a la CSTB.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 15, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Asik had 11 points (5/6 FG), 6 Reb and 1 BS in 25 minutes against Serbia
But once again, he was awfull from the line
Omer Asik had 11 points but was not very good at the free-throw line, missing 10 of his 11 attempts.
Eurobasket2009
by bull83 on Sep 15, 2009 6:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Luckily FT shooting is one of the easiest things in the game to improve.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Sep 15, 2009 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq has an infamously terrible work ethic. He never cared about improving his FT shooting.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Sep 15, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He says his hands are too big.
When he steps out of bounds it is because his feet are too big. Ha!
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by cranscape on Sep 15, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the big hands excuse is valid
If i ever use a girls youth ball, (or in your case try to use like one of those mini basketballs u get from chuck e cheese) it feels to light in the hands, when you release it the spin is off, the arch is harder to control…and shaq really isnt that terrible at the ft line, better than a guy like ben wallace for sure
Imagine if asik had hit his fts in that serbia game, 20 pts off of 6 shots!? Thats insane!!!
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by piccolomair on Sep 15, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree. I do think his big hands with the regulation size ball
don’t mix well. I have unusually small hands and knew it changed how I held the ball (or didn’t. heh). But couple that with him complaining his feet went out of bounds because he has abnormally large feet and you’ve got a funny.
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by cranscape on Sep 15, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny...
I seem to remember Michael Jordan having very large hands and that seemed to work out alright.
Shaq’s excuse was that he broke his wrist in his formative years and never had the flexibility or range of motion to have a proper release.
…not that he’s still not probably a lazy ass.
by lilzaky on Sep 15, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt MJ has Shaq's hand size.
Big hands are still good in basketball. Just not too big. The ball stays the same size after all. His might be big for his body but it isn’t like they slapped Shaqs hands onto his body and had him go shoot fts.
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by cranscape on Sep 15, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok one example
yao ming. massive hands and good Ft%86
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by PORCH1 on Sep 15, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His hands always looked
disproportionately small to me. He’s tall but he doesn’t have proportional mitts.
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by cranscape on Sep 16, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i also want to say
that shaq has fatter hands as opposed to jordan, so while jordan could still at least hold the ball in the right form desipite having his big hands, shaqs fatter hands couldnt even cup the ball right, and from there on the rest of it is probably down hill in terms of rotation and arch…
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by piccolomair on Sep 16, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was Ben Wallace's reason
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
by bigballa10 on Sep 16, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude....
you hand size relative to a women’s ball is probably far smaller than the majority of NBA players’ hands to a men’s ball.
C’mon.
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by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's weird, too,
because his touch is pretty good otherwise.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Sep 15, 2009 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the silver lining
is that he got to the line for 11 shots.
by runningman on Sep 15, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TG….are you talking about Gibson….dude won’t be in the league in 3 years. Cedric Simmons version 2.
And it’s pretty obvious Tyrus is gone either this year or next year.
by C Smoove on Sep 15, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thomas could play so well
and so consistently this year that no believes Bosh or Amare are upgrades any longer.
by runningman on Sep 15, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice post by doug
The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-
by Belize on Sep 15, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*sigh* The off-seasons...
Are we there yet?
by Teri on Sep 16, 2009 12:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thonus says the Bulls need cap space to sign Asik.
As far as I’ve always known, this is wrong. “Common sense” or conventional wisdom would tell us teams are not restricted by the salary cap when signing their own draft picks. This is the closest thing I found, although it doesn’t mention actually signing the player.
Unsigned second round picks are not included in team salary. This is a loophole that Houston once tried to use by trading a first round pick for a second round pick in order to clear cap room.
If Thonus has different information (since he seems to belabor this point in the comments on “dons his scouting hat” link, I’d love to know it. For instance:
Doug Thonus said:
If things go well, we won’t have enough money to sign Asik either because we’ll have spent it all on stud 2010 FAs.
Just wondering.
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by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No I think he's right
and that’s reason #74 why the 2010 plan is a friggin lameass idea.
The bit you included is just in factoring in the cap number. So if the Bulls are in position to sign a max FA, they won’t have to renounce rights to Asik.
But I’m pretty sure they’re beholden to other cap rules when actually signing him. If they still have their exceptions they can use those. If they have cap space they can use that. If they have to renounce all their exceptions and then use their cap space…then they could only sign Asik to a minimum deal. I think it’s the same rules that we talked about in that other thread when it came to re-signing Brad Miller.
This 2010 plan sucks unless they get Wade or Bosh. The more it shakes out (especially with a decreasing cap) the less likely it seems they’d gut the team (including trading Kurt?) to get max cap space, then sign someone like Joe Johnson or Amare, then have no ways to further build the team since the exceptions are gone.
Then again a sign-and-trade fixes some of that, like how Bryan Colangelo wasn’t stuck after signing Turkoglu since he was able to convince Orlando to sign/trade him instead, so they kept their exceptions to make other moves.
But if we’re not purging for outright cap space why not just keep all our assets and trade from strength? (that’s a rhetorical question) If these teams are actually open to a S/T with a mega-star, they may want more than a fat trade exception and payroll relief. So then the Bulls can deal…30 year old Kurt on an expiring contract, 31 year old Salmons on an expiring contract, somehow get a team to work out a long-term deal with RFA Tyrus Thomas? Taj?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 16, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
the last paragraph is what they’re looking at (keep all our assets and trade from strenght). Of course hasn’t that been supposedly Pax’s strategy for all these years? Acquiring assets to use in a big deal for a star? At least that’s what he always use to talk about only to let one asset just walk away without getting anything in return. I know it’s not just Pax now, but I don’t have much confidence in them doing anything with their assets.
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by bigballa10 on Sep 16, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I couldn't find something that supported or rejected my point.
Which is why I posted the closest thing.
Here’s my logic: I do know is that teams are NOT beholden to the cap to sign their own draft picks in the year they draft them. This is obvious. Every single year, teams over the cap draft and sign players. I have read nothing (but I don’t read everything, of course) that has said that 2nd rounders (or all draft picks) have a changed status that is more similar to that of a free agent than a same-year draft pick if they are not signed in the same year they are drafted.
The closest thing is here, which doesn’t mention anything about cap-space other than:
When a team signs a first round draft pick within three years after he is drafted, they use the salary scale for the year in which he signs (usually the player signs in the same year he is drafted). After three years they have the option of either using the salary scale or signing him like he was a free agent — using their cap room, the Mid-Level exception, the Bi-Annual exception or the Disabled Player exception, and with standard raises. They can only do the latter if the player did not play intercollegiately in the interim, and such a contract must be for at least three seasons.
This would obviously not apply to Asik’s situation. It doesn’t mean I’m right; it only means that I’m still not convinced. (sorry, indulge my skepticism at your whim.)
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by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from what I understand
teams over the cap sign players every single year…but they do so using their exceptions. If the Bulls don’t have their exceptions they have to use cap space.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 16, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if a team is over the cap and has no exceptions, they can't sign their draft picks?
hmmm… I did find the “rookie exception” that mentioned first-round picks can be excepted on cba faq. I still haven’t found anything talking about 2nd rounders. Oh well.
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by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, you can't start over the cap and have no exceptions
you’re under the cap and have no exceptions, then you use the cap space.
Part of that initial cap calculation is the cap hold by 1st round picks. So unless you renounce that the 1st rounder’s rookie deal is in your cap number already.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 16, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can always make second round picks – which Asik is – a minimum salary offer. Picks also don’t count against the cap with a hold while the season is ongoing as long as they have a pro contract outside the NBA, so it wouldn’t affect e.g. a trade at the deadline. To retain his rights, the Bulls would just make him a minimum salary offer every new season (which is a small cap hold then during the summer). They question is rather “would he accept that”, or can he get a better offer in Europe. Then exceptions and cap space come into play.
If he were a first round pick, after three years not signing with the team you could also make him an offer in excess of the rookies scale if a team had the cap space or the exception. That was discussed in the case of Tiago Spliiter (Spurs), Ricky Rubio (Wolves), Joel Freeland and Victor Claver (Blazers), etc. But that doesn’t apply here, there is no scale for second round picks. You could sign him to anything up to the MLE.
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by Norsktroll on Sep 18, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Asik a first rounder thought ?
I thought the Bulls traded 3 second round picks to trade for his rights (he was picked late first round).
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on Sep 19, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, 36th
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Sep 19, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they traded three second round picks for another second round pick that was a whole 3 spots higher
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Sep 20, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Paxson in a later interview talked about how surprised he was that asik was still on the board when he drafted him
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by piccolomair on Sep 21, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was also surprised Taj Gibson was available
should we be alarmed he gets so surprised on draft night? :-D
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 21, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
actually i was just joking about pax being surprised about asik, but i really wouldnt have been surprised if that really was going on in his mind about that.
Im wonderig if asik really wouldve been gone three picks later than we drafted him, and if giving up those three picks was neccessary, although its just the second round so its meh no matter what…
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by piccolomair on Sep 21, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh also
my comments were poking fun at the organization for how they reacted over taj gibson…
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by piccolomair on Sep 21, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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