Open Thread: Michael Jordan
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 11, 2009 8:35 AM CDT
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Sam Smith's been going nutters over at Bulls.com with Jordan pieces, so that's a good place to start.
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wtf........
Reinsdorf headed a large Bulls contingent that included team executive and former teammate John Paxson, general manager Gar Forman and coach Vinny Del Negro. Former teammates B.J. Armstrong, Scottie Pippen, Charles Oakley, Steve Kerr and Ron Harper are among those expected to attend Friday.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
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Reinsdorf headed a large Bulls contingent that included team executive and former teammate John Paxson, general manager Gar Forman and coach Vinny Del Negro. Former teammates B.J. Armstrong, Scottie Pippen, Charles Oakley, Steve Kerr and Ron Harper are among those expected to attend Friday.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
someone's gotta carry the bags...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 11, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
has his one little entourage going on
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
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The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Doug Collins is being honored but I'm not sure why. Broadcasting?
That guy is emotional. Damn! Personally I have never liked him in the ’’booth’’ as they say. He’s too much of a company guy. Doug still seems upset about being fired by the Bulls.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
Really?
Doug Collins is actually one of my favorite announcers. I like the way he breaks down the game.
Football’s equivalent of jazz music
ughhh!
Peter Vecsey, who received the Curt Gowdy media award for significant
B.S.contributions to the sport.
Edit mine..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I don’t care much for Collins either.
I thought he was pretty good the first like 5 times I heard him call a game, but he really cannot take a stand on a call.
Anytime the refs consult each other over Ts, he always stays away from it then agrees with the call. He also talks about unimportant aspects too much and generalizes incorrectly quite a bit.
I remember in the playoffs, the refs were talking it over about a T (can’t recall which series) and I think it was Mark Jackson that said “that was definitely a technical foul, there is no doubt about it” and of course Collins gives the “it’s close, I’m not quite sure” and then says “they made the right call, good job on talking it over and getting it right.” I can’t stand that type of announcing.
JVG may wear a tin foil hat, but at least he’s entertaining and probably correct just about as often as Collins.
yup company man.
He is blind to the truth so he never gets fired. I hate Doug Collins. He also makes NBA coaching more important than it is. He always over coached MJ and those old bulls teams hence Phil Jackson.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
Agree. you guys nailed Collins correctly..
I can’t imagine him ever being a championship coach. Just imagine John Paxson (VP) and Doug Collins(coach) in the same organization… It would have some similarity but much worst than the classic movie Sandlot with all of the balls missing, never found and hidden with the Beast(Reinsdorf).
With Tyrus Thomas playing the part of “Squints”
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Sep 11, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
After watching the press conference
I couldn’t help but think of Matt when Michael was asked to tell what Chicago meant to him.
you're sick!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
ur a prophet
The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-
David Robinson spouting cliches, yet coming from him it's completely genuine
Lousy new stupid media that never acknowledges the Admiral or the Dream.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
I feel bad for Robinson and Stockton
Those are two of the greatest players ever themselves, yet they’re getting practically no attention this week.
So true...
Robinson carries himself with such an easy confidence…always classy…
Why isn't your friendly Bulls Blogger friendly?
The Dream.. another favorite!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
ive always loved robinson for how he taught duncan from day 1
never saw him as trying to steal his spotlight or his team. he knew duncan was going to be his replacement and willing taught him everything he knew to make him even better
David Robinson might be the nicest, most genuine guy to ever play in the NBA...
I played golf with him at a charity event back when he was in his prime and I can’t say enough good things about him. Truly awesome human.
Damn, Stockton ran the whole gamut
It’s a good thing people consider Jordan a god, because you can’t top this speech.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Stockton a guy that laid it all on the floor, and never back down or quit.. Intense dude in his playing days
Another one of my 10 ten players of all-time. He reminders me of a type of Mike Tyson of nba basketball point guards.
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
correction "top 10 players"
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
It's a shame those never Jazz teams never won a title
They were much better than a lot of the teams that have won championships this decade; they just ran into MJ when they were in their primes. By the time MJ retired, they were too old.
Life's a bitch than you die
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Life's a bitch. THEN you die.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Life's a bitch when you die
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 14, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
(c) nasty nas
The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-
I can't wait for Vescey, apparently he bombed so badly Jordan just got up and left.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
That stockton speech was awesome
Cant believe he dodged the limelight for so long with such a great personality…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Very good point.. watching Stockton play and noticing his demeanor day-in and day-out was really unmatchable!
I’d say Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson and John Stockton have a little sumthin’ sumthin’ as it relates to competitiveness and winning.
Interesting Stockton selected Isiah Thomas as a presenter. Thomas really was a good player aside from his publically known faults. These two represented the best in the nba at PG and had utlimate respect for one another. If I remember correctly when these two had matchup against one-another on national television, they exhibited so much respect for one another it seems almost like a love feast without words or emotions expressed outwardly.
Stockton and Jordan, real sentitive dudes reached out and acknowledge a fellow brother in need of public recognition and/or approval, yes Stockton has a great personality!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Stockton was awesome.
He basically made Malone, too.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Try nba.com, I'm sure someone will put them up on YouTube.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
did the same thing to me
I’d forgotten he’d been the coach of that Evansville team for a short time. I remember when the crash happened.
by KT on Sep 11, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
teary eyed when he mentioned norm
his speech and stockton’s speech were awesome … i loved how they went through their histories. no idea sloan went to u of i first before dropping out. also had no idea how close he was to being on that evansville team plane that crashed.
WADE 2010
by Orange Juice on Sep 11, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Sloan could have helped Norm get into coaching,
if he cared about his so much. :(
teary eyed when he mentioned norm
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Sep 12, 2009 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Helping a guy get a job is more important than lifelong friendship?
Norm Van Lier was never coaching material, are you kidding me?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 12, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Sloan is a "Man"
With good reason is his jersey hanging in the UC.
Nothing but praise of my rememberance of him playing for the Bulls and later in his career with Norm. I was always amazed by John Stockton and often thought of Sloan’s involvement in Stockton’s greatness.
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
i liked his the best
especially the props to redd kerr and norm
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
That speech was a good example of how competitive MJ is
I think he might be the first athlete in history to taunt and trash-talk his opponents even during his Hall of Fame induction speech. I do appreciate the honesty, though. I mean, he really was the greatest player ever, and he’s not shy about reminding everyone of that.
So this typically isn't how it normally goes? No "Boom, roasted." ??
How dull.
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point! that's competiveness! wow!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
I like that he mentioned Scottie right off the bat
and took a nice shot at Krause’s “organizations win championships” crap.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
I noticed that too.
I’m glad he said something about players winning championships. Hey, if organizations won the Mav’s would have won by now. Ultimately the wins and losses go to the players who go through that season long grind.
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How does Dallas become the example of a great organization?
Because Cuban put the play stations in the locker room?
That shot at Krause was both a great example of who Jordan is, and why he’s terrible at making front office decisions.
Deductive reasoning and/or subjective reasoning regarding Jordan on enshrined day!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Their organization is very involved. Above and beyond involved.
You’d think all of that involvement would generate better results if organizations do win the championships. That’s all I mean. I am sure there are crap organizations that look great because their players got the win for them. And then there’s New York. Complete disaster. I think the players do most of it and the organization has more power to hinder than anything.
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I'm not one to diminish the significance of the organization either
Actually I know the organization plays a most significant part and no star player can win championships without important contributions from the organization.
Yet, for some reason, as Jordan, during his era, was becoming larger than sport of basketball, and the chicago bulls ( as matt noted ), some in the organization took it personally as a affront. For what reason? maybe just plain and simply jealousy!
Therefore, their was no reason for Krause/Dorf to foster a motto of wagging their own tails and the expense of diminishing the significance of MJ.
Why couldn’t they just wag they own tails and the same time praise MJ? (their king milking cow)?
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
I agree with you about MJ, but the Bulls haven't had much more success either
The fact is, the Bulls have been one of the least successful franchises in pro sports the last 11 years. They’ve won one playoff series since MJ retired. That is absolutely pathetic; even the Clippers have won one playoff series during that time. And no, I do not consider sneaking into the playoffs as a lower seed and losing in the first round to be much of an accomplishment. Krause said multiple times during the entire dynasty that he was looking forward to building his own team after MJ retired. Well, he got his chance, and we’ve all seen the result.
tell me about it! can't be said enough! this was Krause/Dorf crap talk that ran MJ, Pip and Phil Jackson out of Chi-town
And Krause, Dorf basically vowed to prove MJ and Phil wrong. We’re still waiting for this curse to be lifted.
You guys may not agree, but John Paxson was part of this Krause fraternity mindset of “organizations win championships.. giving a lessor credit to star players” even back in the days when all-american-persona John Paxson was a jealous player, subtilty preaching down the significance of MJ in most interviews he was granted. :-(
Just review his past actions.. I can’t imagine Derrick Rose and John Paxson coexisting for the long run, one of the two must go eventually.
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Actually thats not true..
If you wanna blame the person that broke up the Bulls it was Phil Jackson and his ego. He was done with Krause and maybe it was about Money I don’t know.
Jordan and even JR said they wanted to go one more year but Jackson walked and Jordan wouldn’t play for another coach or go through rebuilding.
Jordan even said today they could have won seven titles in a strike year. But who knows.
The Bulls looked pretty gassed in the end.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
read what you said..
You’re really saying it was Krause ego! Phil maybe the greatest coach in NBA history?
Bend over to keep him, Krause is an idiot and Dorf supported and encouraged him. Dorf speaksDouble
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Yeah, I don't know if they would have won again after 1998 anyways
They were running on fumes by the end of the playoffs that year. They barely squeaked by the Pacers, and if MJ doesn’t hit that last shot in Utah, I would not have liked their chances in a Game 7 on the road with a hobbled Pippen. I doubt they could have counted on Rodman another year anyways. Of course, it would have been nice to find out. If they had come back and lost, and least we would have known it was the end. I think it really hurt the NBA, too, to have MJ and the Bulls never pass the torch to a successor.
wow.. you guys are bring back memories
winning three championships in a row or six in eight years with so many other demands on you time. Sure they were tired.
But, this team Phil and the organization knew how to retool, as SoutEater7 once pointed out, if I’m correct. The Bulls had acquired Brian Williams that championship year and he was in position to assume or relieve Rodman a bit.
If Krause had got his proper directives as oppose to puppet orders in position to be the fall guy he would have continued to retool with Phil.
Look at the good teams.. the Patriots have rebuilt around Tom Brady so many years, the Spurs rebuild around Duncan continuelly. Duncan’s good, but no Jordan.
Now add retooling a bit with the competitiveness of Jordan. Losing was not an option with Jordan! I still would have like the chances fumes and all.
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
In his conversation with Mike Wilbon
Jordan said that he didnt want to retire, he wanted to keep going but the bulls disbanded and he didnt want to stick around through a rebuilding process. He also said that he was confident that team couldve won the 7th, and he wouldve wanted to keep going until he finally lost in the finals…I think jordan never had that closure of being defeated, even when he was on the wizards, it was a crappy team and he had been on a hiatus for a few years, even then his numbers were pretty solid…and i think he knows that….If there was one of those scifi machines that allowed u to transfer your mind into another body or something, jordan would completely take that offer…if jordan was offered immortality he would take it…never mind the anguish of watching friends and family pass before you, competeting with the future generations would be enough for him…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Sep 11, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm out ..I got some work to do!
But, you just presented an idea for a great movie…
“MJ sells his soul and becomes a vampire”
Reneters the league at the age of 50 choosing only to play in night games!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
the Bulls' dynasty was almost like the Beatles
they are incapsulated in time. they split with a definitive end. we didn’t have to watch them get old and try to rekindle their glory days (even if it was just the next season).
other artists like Rolling Stones and Kiss still go out there, and at this point its just a show, an extraveganza. the Beatles never went through that. if Lennon was still alive would they have tried? maybe. but it never happened. and that is what makes them great and perfect for all time. they’re just in their own time forever.
same with the Bulls. we didn’t have to see them lose to younger Spurs or Lakers (as much as MJ says he would’ve finally like to have gotten beaten). they disbanded as champs and the dynasty had its neat run, never losing in the Finals. they, like the Beatles, are forever captured in their time, nice and neat.
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Sep 14, 2009 3:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
plus they get to keep the satisfaction of the question
what if we had never disbanded? oh, we wouldve won ten more ships…i mean cmon…we are considered the most dominating team ever… and how do u refute such an argument?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
No, they had Brian Williams in 1996-97
He was sitting out the season in a contract dispute (with Denver, I think), and signed with the Bulls simply to get his name out there for the following offseason. He played well with the Bulls, but he signed a big contract with the Pistons in the summer of 97 (the Bulls were over the cap, so they couldn’t make him a competitive offer). He was already gone by 98.
The Spurs have managed to retool because they were able to land Tony Parker at the end of the first round, and Manu Ginobili in the second round. The Bulls did get Kukoc in 1990, but by the end of the 90’s they simply weren’t drafting well. They were drafting guys like Dickey Simpkins and Jason Caffey (who they picked over Michael Finley). To keep a dynasty going you have to have some awesome late-round draft picks, and that just wasn’t happening. And they wouldn’t have been able to count on much help in free agency – they would have been over the cap just paying MJ $30 million a year and Pippen $15 million. I agree that the Bulls should have got down on bended knee and begged everyone to come back, but they wouldn’t have been able to go on winning championships forever. Of course, if the dynasty had had a more natural ending, maybe the Bulls wouldn’t have had the trouble signing free agents afterwards that they did in 2000.
I generally agree with you. Thanks for point on Bison Dele...
But once you have good players like Jordan, Pippen, Duncan, Manu, Parker retooling with guys like Bruce Bowen, Jason Caffey, Randy Brown just plan and simple works with their limited talent. You don’t need a lot of talent “Michael Finley” from these guys all the time at the point. You just need them to do the limited things that they do well, know their role and learn the system.
Many of these guys in other systems wouldn’t even be notice"imagine Bruce Bowen playing with Minny". Yet, playing in championship caliber organizations their stock is increased exponentually. Take for example … Trevor Ariza playing with the Lakers, now signed a good contract with Houston.
Sure, getting a heathly Tracy McGrady type to bridge dynasty similiar to a pennerial Lakers/Boston type organization would have been great, but as you indicated …they ended to soon and also close the chance on those type of opportunities with free agents.
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
They did looked gassed
That might have been the least confident I was about them during their run aside from when the lost game 1 of the ’91 series against the Lakers.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
first person mj thanked was scottie
my favorite moment of his speech
WADE 2010
by Orange Juice on Sep 11, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I imagine Scottie ranks high on your list! if so.. I feel the same way!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Sir Charles looked constipated the entire time.
So maybe he was constipated. Otherwise maybe he should have gotten some liquid courage before he came. The camera kept swinging over to him and he kept not laughing with everyone else.
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u r sick dude.. but i agree and notice that also..
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Seems like Yahoo is making it appear as if MJ didn't give one about anyone there
I’ve never liked Wojnarowski, he seems more like a psychoanalyst than a basketball blogger.
That article was ridiculous,
Jordan’s speech was not malicious in any way shape or form. Some guys always gotta complain.
That was a classic speech
And perhaps the first time MJ has shown his “real” side to the public. Can you imagine how entertaining it would have been if he was that unfiltered during his playing days? I think he just wrote down names and started ripping everyone on the list. He even had a dig for his Mom. Loved it
As for the breakup of the Bulls it was and remains the worst decision JR has ever made. MJ made it clear he would only stay if Phil was coaching and Phil wanted money and time that JR (who I’m sure was influenced by Krause) would not agree to. Boom. Dynasty over. The Bulls have been a joke since, but JR still rakes in the $ (only because of the MJ years) so he doesn’t really care. There will never be another athlete in Chicago sport’s history during my lifetime to reach the high’s that MJ ascended to. He took his team and the entire city along for the flight, and if you missed those years I’m truly sorry.
by Duck99 on Sep 12, 2009 10:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
How so?
It was fun, involved everyone, included some jabs and was full of personality. I was worried it would be none of those things considering how athletes usually talk. The only other direction it could have gone is dull and boring. Which I am glad it avoided.
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yeah I think you're right.
I just watched it on youtube it wasn’t as bad as yahoo or some people are making it. I think thats just side of MJ that people don’t see or didn’t. He is a crazy MF’er who just wants to win and kill you doing it. So I guess I should expect nothing less than a mixed bag. You’re right though it wasn’t at all boring. It was kinda uncomfortable but you can tell he still wants to be Michael Air Jordan the Chicago Bull. I understand why he still struggles with that… it was the greatest job on Earth in my opinion. That would be hard to let go. I doubt he ever will.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
I guess if you read the Yahoo piece first
it might have tainted it which is too bad. I watched it on TV and thought it was pure MJ. The MJ I loved on the court and the MJ that people who knew him always said he was. Maybe the sports world is wanting a humble guy since there have been so many me-first posers out there. MJ is the real deal though so IMO he can give that kind speech. He’s the reason everyone else ought to be humble. At least until they legitimately pass him and that is just in the early argument stages if that.
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Yup thats what i did.
Read the yahoo piece and then listened to Bruce Lievine on ESPN1000 kinda say it was a bitter MJ speech. Which is why I reacted with that comment.
Really I couldn’t watch it because I don’t think I can see that side of MJ it’s just hard for me to watch awkward things.
But I get it now. It’s just MJ being MJ. Like Charles being Charles.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
Charles being Charles
Excellent comparison. Charles is a character, and when he’s inducted (has he been already) I expect to hear some funny, rude, and borderline-vulgar stuff in his speech
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 12, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
from watching the speeches yesterday i saw each player do something more true to themselves although not what they were perceived to be. For example, Sloan who is one of the toughest confident coaches in the entire NBA, while also being a man of few words, gave his entire script of a speech (that thing was like 15 pages long!!!) reading almost every word off the paper as if he were a shy freshmen in a college speech class.
Then there was John Stockton, a guy who hid himself from cameras and barely ever offered the media any significant quotes. A guy who rarely smiled or showed much emotion except for aggression on the court, a guy who was never considered the best player on his team and he gives the wittiest, more charismatic speech of the entire night , not to mention the best. He was funny and charming at the same time….I missed the admiral although i know little about him and i dont know much about Singer although i’d have to say hers was a typical boring HoF speech.
And jordan, who has his entire life in front of the media come off as a sort of naive, nice, poster child of a gentleman, came off as a “i know everything about why u are here” “im letting you all know that ill destroy anyone and anything that challenges me” “and i may be a nice guy, but i also want to win and i will”…
I think the hall of fame speeches are supposed to be extra special, and so jordan and sloan and stockton surely treated it that way, showing a side of themselves that is far more intimate, stockton a charismatic emotional man, sloan a soft humble old man, and jordan the man who refuses to ever back down from anything..
So if we get back to barkley, he is a character, he is a character who is foolish, unkind, stubborn, cocky….but i imagine if and when he inducted, his behavior will be something more intimate…theres a reason guys like jordan, and ernie, and kenny consider barkley a close friend…and i doubt its cuz hes an ass, i think on his induction we will see a side of barkley that only those close to him know…
i thought jordan would treat the hall of fame like nothing, give some generic speech cuz he didnt care for it, but after listening to his speech i knew it, this speech was going to be different than any of his other public statements because this speech was more special…and what yahoo and others are calling a disrespectful speech, was actually a speech given with highest respect, regard and intimacy….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Sep 12, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stringers speech
wasn’t boring at all. It was actually pretty touching and emotional.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
that yahoo piece was crap
The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-
agreed
that speech was how mj played the game, trash talking and looking good doing it while everyone was kinda like “well what are you gonna do, its jordan..” The speech personified jordans game….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Hilaroius that the greatest athlete in history still made time in his speech to insult Jerry Krause
And if MJ sounded like people were beneath him, well they all are. That’s what the ESPN/Yahoo/Nike/ NBA hype machine has been so desperate to tell us for the past week or so. The man is a god, blah blah blah. So after all these years of him being larger than life, he’s supposed to go up and give a respectful, humble speech? Give me a break.
I thought the first few minutes of his speech were very genuine. It’s nice that he still has so much respect for Dean Smith and UNC, and his reasoning for having David Thompson present was nice as well.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
It’s not like any rookies, especially in the late round, ever make a major impact on a championship caliber team.
The health of Dennis Rodman, for example, would play a much bigger factor than who they drafted the following year.
And it would’ve been game 6 in Chicago, not 7 in Utah, I think I like our chances there :)
Wow Jerry Sloan made me cry when he talked about Norm.
That was pretty moving. Jerry Sloan kinda has that soothing Grandfather voice. That was a great speech for him!
I have seen a QB and it was good.
Speaking of did they ever get a rule of death?
I hope it’s not what I think.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
Toni Kukoc for THREEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Sep 13, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions
link?
The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-
jordan rocks!
The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-
btw
anybody post/read this awesome piece?
The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-
That was a great post
I personally liked seeing MJ not give a canned, generic speech.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
That was a meant as a reply to Belize
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
i kinda hope mj comes back as a backup
just so i could see him play live
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