Your Omer Asik update
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 10, 2009 12:31 AM CDT
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PrintFuture 2010 free agency haul Omer Asik was mentioned earlier in the week here as a participant in the current Eurobasket tournament.
It was enough to see that he was able to play, since he suffered a major knee injury shortly after the Bulls drafted him in '08. But after a couple nondescript performances, Asik had a real nice game against Poland, matched up against Marcin Gortat of the Magic. 22 points on 10-11 shooting.
You can see some highlights here, and some scouting praise from Frank Madden of BrewHoop (watching his guy Ersan Ilyasova) here. (and I look forward to The Painted Area's future recap)
While nearly every team has a foreign draftee stashed away, Paxson traded three 2nd rounders to move up for this guy, which does raise the stakes on his development somewhat.
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He looks like he has great awareness
He reminded me of noah, getting to good spots on the floor while boxing out his guy at the same time in good postion for rebounds and dunks. I also noticed that he primarily used his right hand…which i feel saddned by. There were a few plays where it would have been far easier to finish with the left but he kept the ball or forced the ball to his right and finished with it…on the plus side he has a real soft touch with his right hand, if he has an opening it seems like its going in. He definetly is skinny though, so his game probably resembles noah because of that, not strong enough to hold his ground in the post and back his defender down, so boxing out and cutting to the rim probably becomes the better option…
But hes quick…even the few moves he did in the post with his pass fakes, there was a speed to them that aaron gray just doesnt have, and the awareness to hang in the post on offense that noah just doesnt have (with his back to the basket) and a nice soft touch…but yea i think if he were to play in the nba right now he would be bullied especially on defense (i wish this video showed him on defense)
ehh thats my scouting report that no one asked for….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
That's been the plan.
I thought the whole Miller-out/Asik-in was some pretty nice foresight by Pax.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
at 1/10th the price
(couldn’t resist)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 10, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I won't mind, either, if our pf
is making $$$ and named Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire :)
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I believe...
saying anything good about the Bulls FO is prohibited on this site.
Matt will be hunting you down shortly…
My drive-by post…
have to drive-by
stopping and thinking is a bit rough for ya.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 10, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully Asik is ready to step in and contribute
It would be a big asset to the Bulls if he is ready to be a back-up center right away (at least). If the Bulls don’t resign Miller, I don’t want to see the Big Pasty getting 20 minutes a night in 2010.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 10, 2009 3:23 AM CDT reply actions
He should be a nice replacement for Brad since he is not getting any younger.
Gray on the other hand just keeps getting fatter.
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
Speaking of Gray, did we sign him?
I must have missed it, but did he ever sign his damn contract? (Finger’s crossed, hoping not…).
not yet.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 10, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
meh
they’re probably on their vacations.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 10, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, rasberries...
Painted Area barely mentioned Asik.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 10, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
they kinda did
by mentioning Gortat put on an offensive clinic… I assume against Asik.
Could you imagine SSOL w/ Noah and Asik?
I mean, two lean, quick, running guys who are great at the dirty work and won’t look to take their own shot from the outside but will just get under the basket and rebound? To have that at center the entire game. Then combine that with dynamic and prolific outside shooter and a PG who could break down any defender in the blink of an eye. And then a couple of good defenders at the forward positions? I mean, just imagine if the Bulls ever had a chance at getting someone who is great at running the seven seconds or less offense and that sort of personnel. I’d almost be excited about the Bulls for the next decade.
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by tyger1147 on Sep 10, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I just shed a tear.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Well, you lost me at....
“combine that with dynamic and prolific outside shooter…”. I guess the Bulls will have to add that to their job listings.
Seeking…
A tall guard (must be at least 6’ 4")
Loyal, dependable, dynamic, and
prolific at shooting. Must be willing
to work minimum wage.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
that was a reply to tyger
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
He was talking about BG
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Sep 10, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh? You mean like that Pistons player?
Yeah, we don’t have a guy like that on our team.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Nor do we have someone who can competently coach SSOL.
Sarcasm, the whole comment. This is not new territory for me. :-)
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These are not words I want to hear about our shotblocking center's opponent:
From The Painted Area:
Marcin put on a clinic. That’s right, Gortat put on an offensive clinic.
Marcin did most of his work on the left block, usually choosing to turn right shoulder. He had two quick baseline spin moves for reverse lay-ins, two turnaround jumpers, and a nice up/under step-thru into a scoop shot. Marcin even hit a 12-foot jumper coming up thru the lane off a baseline screen.
Wait, we’re not done yet. Maybe Marcin’s most impressive move came when he faced up from just below the right elbow and proceeded to drive into a spin move that he finished off with a lefty hook. Maybe this game was a one-off, but maybe Stan needs to add some Gortat plays to his Magic playbook.
What the hell? Gortat plays two seasons in the NBA and averages 3.8ppg, then after one game vs. our SuperStashAway he’s suddenly capable of putting on offensive clinics.
Hopefully this is a result of Omer still recovering from his injury. If he can’t contain Marcin Gortat, just wait till Dan Gadzuric gets in his way.
Seriously?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Sep 14, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The same Gortat who posted a 17.2 PER, and 58% eFG?
A player who Dallas signed to the full MLE despite having Erick Dampier for a lot of moeny, and Orlando opted to retain despite having Dwight Howard.
If Asik can play 12 minutes a game as efficiently as Gortat, it’ll be a huge steal for Paxson.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 14, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why are you giving me total package stats
Gortat received big offers and had a high PER because of his defense (0.8 steals, 2.4 blocks per 36), rebounding (13.0 reb per 36), and lack of turnovers (1.1 per 36).
Nobody thought “Gortat” and “put on an offensive clinic” went together in the same sentence. The 58% eFG% is useless because he attempted 3 shots per game last year. Joakim Noah had a 59% eFG last year, and if he went up against Asik and “put on an offensive clinic”, that would be more a reflection of Asik’s abilities than Noah’s.
Right, because Noah and Gortat haven't displayed offensive ability?
You’re the one making hyperbolic statements off of one measly box score.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 14, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
First
Gortat isn’t a scrub. He’s just been underutilized playing behind Lewis and Howard.
His talent was clear enough for the following to be true (from wikipedia):
“On July 8, 2009, Gortat, a restricted free agent, signed an offer sheet for five years and $34 million with the Dallas Mavericks. The Magic later matched the offer sheet on July 13, 2009.”
So two different teams recognized he had enough talent to be worth 6+million a year for 5 years. That is not your typical 3.8 ppg player. When he gets playing time, he performs.
Second, Asik was 11-12 himself, so if there was a clinic it involved two doctors.
Third, it’s impossible to tell if Asik was guarding him, or was even in the game for the majority of Gortat’s points. Nothing that I read about Gortat scoring, mentions who was guarding him at the time.
You jumped to an awful lot of conclusions from one fan’s blurb, most of which are probably wrong.
That third point was what I questioned.
I looked for other highlights, but in none of them was Asik getting scored on. Doesn’t mean t didn’t happened, but…
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
You can get a big contract offer from the Mavs for just being 7' and capable on defense
Just ask DeSagana Diop (5 years, 31 mil)
That's why it's important that
Orlando matched. They could have easily kept Turkoglu with that money and got a much cheaper scrub big man. That fact that they matched says a lot about what they see every day in practice.
Watching Asik against Spain right now.
After first half, best scorer (13 points), best rebounder for Turkey (4), great offensive and defensive showing against the Gasol brothers. OK he let Pau back door for a couple of easy baskets (in his back), but when having to hold position down low, he’s been effective.
Much better than expected on offense, very quick for a 7 footer. Looking good for Paxson.
The Game chose him !
Turkey beat Spain, too.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Yeah, but Marcin Gortat scored a lot of points in a game that Asik also played in...
…so clearly Asik sucks horribly.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Man you're a fool?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Asik against Spain and the Gasol brothers
13 points (the second best from Turkey) and 4 rebounds. He showed some nice offensive moves. Take a look at the highlights, especially the first minutes. I guess everyone is going to love the way he faces Pau Gasal at the 1:27 mark
I have my doubts
He doesn’t have a variety of offensive moves and he’s not that fast. Besides, I think he has some difficulties scoring away from the basket. But he definitely can get his points against quality players like Gortat or, especially, Pau Gasol…
I dont' think he's a good enough shooter to play PF full-time.
He could do it on defense, though. Pairing him with a shooting C would be great. If they could soemhow develop Thomas enough to want to keep him, I’d look hard at keeping Miller around for the MLE. Thomas, Asik, Noah and Miller is something I like.
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can't use the MLE
we’re in the 2010 derby, dontyaknow.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 14, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Afterwards.
Renounce Brad with an MLE deal “agreed upon but not really” or something. Sign Joe Johnson to MAX MONEY!!!! and then give Braddy the MLE. Unless that can’t technically happen.
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it can't :-D
you have to renounce the MLE and all other exceptions to get maximum cap space.
Once all the cap space is used up, you can sign guys to the minimum but that’s about it.
Now you don’t have to renounce those exceptions until the very instant you sign someone. If they work out a sign/trade instead, the Bulls get a fat trade exception instead of using cap space.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 14, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He looks good in the highlights
I can see him and Rose running a nice pick and roll.
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