Joe Johnson talking extension with the Hawks
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions
I can't wait until there's no SGs on the market in 2010
and we end up overpaying Salmons to stay. That’ll be good times.
Fine with me
I don’t see JJ as a real max player. He’s good though, I wouldn’t want us to pay JJ the max if the others all go by the wayside…..and I felt he’d be the most gettable too….but only for the max.
Thurston Moore is a rock god
so you think that's an acceptable result for this 'plan'
that the Bulls get nobody.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
I might rather get a few “nobodies” for less than the max, than pay JJ $3-5M more than his worth each year for 6 years….
But I digress.
I’d preter a max guy, but if we can’t get a max guy there are enough guys coming up that can fill in niceley for $7-9M, who in a typical year would get double that, but there’s only so much money to go around with this cap….
I like the “core” we have….adding JJ would be nice for $13M/yr for 5 yrs, that’s something Atlanta would have matched for sure, so we’d have to max him for 6, and that I don’t know about.
Thurston Moore is a rock god
As long as we win the fiscal responsibility championship of the world.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I would call it "responsibility"...
if we were responsible we wouldn’t have signed Noc or Deng to those ludicrous deals (the Hinrich deal kind of made sense at the time).
I think the phrase you are looking for would be fiscal stupidity championship of the world.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 5, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
We have the highest
EBITA and OI margins in the league…..that’s why YFBB said that….
That’s what businesses strive for….too bad we’re a business and ENTERTAINMENT entity….which is why it’s so frustrating to know we have had fantastic profitability post MJ despite having a good 5 yrs of 15-22 win seasons and not really having one real contender built in that span.
Thurston Moore is a rock god
JJ sucks
and he knows it, i mean he doesnt suck that bad, he doesnt deserve the max though.. so hes gonna sign an extension
"Game 7 of the 2011 Finals.. 10 seconds left in the game, the score is tied up 92-92.. Kobe with the ball he drives in.. IS BLOCKED by bosh, Rose picks it up Runs it down Throws up a pass to Wade.. WADE SCORES! GAME OVER ! BULLS WIN BULLS WIN!"
Top 5!?
players better than JJ:
Lebron , Kobe , Wade, Howard, Durant, Melo, CP3, Pierce,
and statistically alot more… wth is so great about 21.4 ppg,
but yea he is better than anyone on the bulls right now, doesnt mean he deserves the max…
"Game 7 of the 2011 Finals.. 10 seconds left in the game, the score is tied up 92-92.. Kobe with the ball he drives in.. IS BLOCKED by bosh, Rose picks it up Runs it down Throws up a pass to Wade.. WADE SCORES! GAME OVER ! BULLS WIN BULLS WIN!"
I don't think he was saying Johnson IS top 5
I think he was saying that you think since he’s not in the 5 that he sucks. I agree that he’s not top 5 in the league, but he is top 5 for next year’s free agent class, which is why he’ll get the max.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 5, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't saying he was top 5, no no no.
Rose Colored Goggles got it. I still think it’s ridiculous that your definition of “sucking” is players who don’t deserve a max contract though…
One target gone, three (Wade, Bosh, Lebron) to go...
Does anyone smells that next year will be like in 2000?
well he's not gone yet
and I think in 2000 they missed like 7 targets.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but those three are the major ones
The other don’t really matter… I’ve reading bad thins about Amare problem. I’m not sure I want him…
I've got my sights set on giving a max contract to...
Al Harrington!!! And maybe we’ll get lucky enough to sign Ricky Davis also…
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 5, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I didnt expect to sign JJ
with a max contract. I always thought our max contract would go to Bosh, Wade, or Amare, while the rest of our money would go towards whatever we needed after that. So if we got Wade, give the rest of the money to some center or pf who can play in the post, so long as he was a decent starter, or if we got bosh or amare, then pay joe johnson or rip hamilton whatever we could to get one of them on our team…
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I think JJ
has been Matt’s secret/not-so-secret BG replacement man crush guy for awhile now…or least as long as we’ve figured that BG would no longer be here. Then again, I could be totally wrong, but I know I’ve seen him mention JJ quite a few times.
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
Well I think a lot of us assumed
he was a realisitic possibility. Honestly, Bosh or Wade seem like pies in the sky.
I thought of him as the failsafe option
The Bulls save some face by getting Joe Johnson after they strike out on Wade/Bosh/Amare, which they likely will. He’s likely not worth the max, but he’s also somewhat close. If you consider his ability to fit with Rose maybe it works out.
That said, just keeping Gordon and not playing the free agent shell game for a ‘prize’ like Johnson (not that much of an improvement over Gordon given their ages) seems like a way less risky option. But the problem with that logic is that the flip side of such a risk for the Bulls is still a really low payroll.
It is quite amazing to read here that a 2010 free agent isn’t that important, they have to get the ‘right’ guy. Give me a break, this is an unmitigated disaster if they don’t acquire a player of Joe Johnson’s caliber by opening day next year.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually think JJ is potentially a better fit next to Rose than Wade is...
that being said, if you can get D-Wade — you do it. I’m just saying I don’t think Joe Johnson is a bad option, even if you have to pay him the max. If you don’t have to pay him the max, well, then.. fuckin’ sweet!
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 5, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
completely agreed.
We’ve been fed the “2010 is our real plan” bullshit for almost 2 seasons now. With the departure of Ben as the icing on that sucky cake. If they fail to land anyone, then it HAS to be looked at as a complete and utter failure on the org.
I don’t mind if they strike out on Bosh or Wade…but they better have a damn good backup person in mind if that happens.
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
There is a good chance they will strike out on all of them...
Because each free agent can make much more money by returning to his own team rather than changing teams…
I think certain bloggers (Doug Thonus comes to mind) have been feeding us the 2010 plan for far too long, but I don’t think the Bulls ever acknowledged 2010 prior to this offseason…I think the summer of 2010 is more media hyperbole than any sort of plan in place by our front office…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
that may be true...
…but in fairness to Doug, what else has he had to go on? The org has failed to show a real “plan” in anything that they’ve done in recent years. I think Doug and the rest of the bloggers (Bulls bloggers specifically) are earnestly hoping that the “2010 plan” is something real and could be the only legit answer for the way that everything has been mis-handled by the front office.
Also, why else would the Bulls take on contracts of Miller and James (and others) who expire in 2010? The front office isn’t exactly saying that “we’re all in for 2010!”, but the moves that they are making sure makes it look that way.
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
Reinsdorf came out and talked about adding a FA next year, so it's a bit late to say this isn't an organizational goal.
by Sports2 on Aug 5, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't worry
he’ll come out with some revised nonsense next summer that contradicts many previous moves and stated goals.
agreed.
I knew one of GarPaxdorf actually stated it, I just couldn’t remember who it was, so I didn’t post it.
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
He probably won't get a max deal to stay in Atlanta
But might have needed a max deal to leave Atlanta…
Thurston Moore is a rock god
exactly.
that’s the cost of getting talent from other teams. ‘over’ ::gasp:: paying.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but then bloggers would make fun of our team
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 5, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, it's better this way
where our owner can laugh at the teams spending money.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Ideally I would like us to get Wade and a David Lee type of guy.
However, I would be extremely happy with a Bosh/Johnson or Stoudamire/Hamilton combo. Although I’m not a huge Rip fan… at least, not at this stage of his career.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Joe Johnson will be had for anything less than the max. There are too many teams banking on free agency next summer and not enough players. He is one of the 5 best available that summer, so, he’s getting the max.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 5, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade and Lee?
is the cap going to rise this summer?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that's why I said David Lee type guy
rather than just saying David Lee. I’m fairly certain we won’t have enough money to sign Wade and anyone else for over 7-8 mil per (assuming Salmons opts out) and that would probably entail us going into lux tax territory.
I’m not sure who a David Lee type guy would be (Chuck Hayes, Channing Frye, Udonis Haslem, Joel Pryzbilla, Craig Smith or Brendan Haywood maybe?) but some type of down-low wide bodied banger (wow, that sounded dirty).
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 5, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but that's of miniscule importance
compared to getting the first guy who’ll be making the max or close to it.
Filling out the roster after using all the cap space will be nearly impossible. But that’s the route they’re going, and if they do get a star player I likely won’t care about the 2010 season either, as they’ll have a pretty big championship window.
Of course, then they won’t exceed the tax to complete this championship roster, rinse, lather, repeat….
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, right
I’m just saying what I think would be ideal. However, I’m fairly certain we’re signing Al Harrington and Ricky Davis (as I said above).
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 5, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't the Bulls already have David Lee type of guy...
Except better…named Noah.
We don’t know who will be available next summer as a free agent, so this is all speculation at this point…what we do know is there will be a lot of players on the market and a lot of teams to spend the money, so once the big two or three get taken off market, the remaining second tier guys (like Joe Johnson) could potentially induce a bidding war of sorts for their services…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
but, but, but then who will be our Ron Mercer in 2010?
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Aug 5, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions
I like the Al Harrington suggestion above.
just think, we could’ve traded Hinrich for him. Now we get both! To be so lucky!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
We could have just signed Harrington instead of Wallace a couple of years ago...
I don’t think that management likes him as a player…and he is not worth the MLE in terms of what he does on the court…
I don’t see how 2010 compares to the 2000 free agency period…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Really?
How does it not compare to the 2000 FA period? The only difference is that we have a better team now than we did back then.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 5, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The only similarity I see...
Is that the Bulls have cap space in the Summer when the best player in the game will be a free agent…Tim Duncan then, Lebron James now…neither of those players are changing teams…the overall crop of free agents in 2010 is much better than what was available in 2000…
Additionally, the summer of 2000 was the first year of the new CBA, which changed the rules for signing free agents by instituting a maximum salary for the first time…this time around all teams know the rules heading into the Summer…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Sort of true...
But the CBA technically changed in 1999, just didn’t set in until 2000 — so all of the teams should have seen that coming. Also, I’m not sure that the FA class was that much worse in 2000. Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady, Eddie Jones, Tim Duncan and I believe Jalen Rose (although I could be wrong about that).
I’m not saying 2000 was better than 2010; but the similarities should be fairly obvious. It is the closest comparison to 2010 that we have.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 6, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
So the minor upgrade, who really is a minor downgrade to Gordon
Might not even be no the market?
Good plan Reinsdork!
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Johnson and Gordon are much closer to each other than Johnson and Wade. But Johnson would command a salary much closer to Wades.
I think in the abstract, I’d take Johnson over Gordon. But the difference in actual productivity is very small, Gordon is a couple years younger, and for a team that’s gonna be watching its money and not immediately contending, the fact that Johnson will cost probably 40-50% more in a declining cap environment is really a pretty big issue.
yeah, but he's taller.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
And in the end...
isn’t that really all that matters?
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 5, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He's also never expressed desire to play for more money rather than play for a winner like that evil Gordon
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 5, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
???
Oh, I get it…Joe Johnson left Phoenix for a big payday in Atlanta…where he has led them to back to back playoff appearances…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
1 season above .500 in 4 years, they're a powerhouse
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 5, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I should maybe point out that Joe Johnson has only gotten worse as a scorer
Paying him a lot of money to poorly imitate Brandon Roy isn’t all that appealing to me.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 5, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
RIght...
I must have missed your sarcasm…Joe Johnson left Phoenix, a pretty good team, for a big payday in Atlanta…Atlanta at the time sucked, but has improved since getting Joe Johnson (and Horford and Bibby helped too).
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Out of curiosity
would you really pick ben gordon over Joe johnson if you had a chance to pick one of the two??
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I guess
I’m automatically disqualified from this because I’m one of “Gordon’s Girls”…but I would pick Ben. He’s younger, he would not command the max money, and he gives you virtually the same exact production. They both suffer on the defensive end, so that part is a wash.
I guess if you want someone taller, then you pick Johnson.
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
Johnson is a much better playmaker...
and rebounder from his position….I would take him for those two skills alone.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
But Gordon is the better scorer.
Johnson’s TS% the last two years has been 53.4% and 53.3%. His efficiency is average, while Gordon is a very efficient scorer.
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there are 4 other players on the court who can score
johnson is much less of a black hole on offense compared to bg
by sin on Aug 6, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
gordons girls….glad you liked that title…
intrestingly enough, is joe johnson as bad (or good) as gordon on defense? Not just the height thing, but i often remember (even on this site) positive things about Joe Johnsons defense. And although its not the best source, according to 2k joe johnson has an A ranking for his defense. Ive always considered that Joe Johnson was sort of had the traits of an ideal shooting guard, good length, good build, smooth shot whether catching the ball and shooting, or putting the ball on the floor and dribbling.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
watching Johnson
in the playoffs, his defense looked horrible to me (before his injury). Wait, did you just use 2K as a source?? Ha!
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
From 2005-2006 through 2008-2009 (Johnson's Atlanta Years)
Gordon has a superior D-rtg by 3.8.
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He was on a better defensive team
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 5, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnson doesn't contribute at all to a defense though, while Gordon does.
Joe Johnson has 12.3 career DWS. Ben Gordon has 12.6 career DWS.
This is a big deal, because Gordon has ammassed more DWS in 225 less games.
Joe Johnson is just about on his own level of being pathetic on defense.
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in a perfect world
where things like salaries and the CBA aren’t factors, I’d take Joe Johnson; he’s the better player right now. However, with the situation the Bulls are in, where it’s pay 5 years, 11 mill per to Gordon starting at age 25, or something likely close to the max for 5-6 years for Joe Johnson starting at age 30, I’d take Gordon. With the way the CBA is set up, you cannot just let talent like Gordon’s walk out the door because it is so hard and you almost always have to overpay other teams talent or work out a sign and trade to get them to jump ship.
along these lines
i actually could almost see ourselves in an orlando magic type situation, where a couple summers ago everyone was lining up to rip them for giving rashard lewis max money, but since then they’ve showed people that with a little creativity and an owner that’s willing to pay the tax, you can build a contender even while— heaven forbid— overpaying for talent!
reinsdorf has said he’d pay the tax for that missing championship piece, so while maybe we get panned for dumping max money on a joe johnson type next summer, maybe that means in a year or two reinsdorf would be willing to take on another big salary that comes on the trade market when one of the many teams looking to dump payroll at all costs starts dumping players.
This seems exactly what they didn't do with Wallace though
They followed up the big FA signing with an immediate salary dump instead of going for broke.
true, although
teams were still looking to get assets back for their big salary guys in trades that season, not just straight salary dumps a la Gasol to the Lakers. I guess we have to trust Reinsdorf that he’d pay the tax for that missing piece in a deal like that, because it is really, really difficult to assemble a championship team without paying the tax
ah i also just got
that you were referring to us just dumping chandler. i thought you were talking more about just letting PJ expire that season.
hah
i actually replied to matt…(double checks by hitting the up button on original post) yep…i replied to matt….i knew ure answer before i replied and was wondering if matt seriously would pick bg over joe johnson….
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If you're really asking me, I think you should go back and re-read the post I was responding to.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
....
it doesnt tell me nothing…if nothing, more its a quick one liner and the perfect time to use it….much like the witty comment im responding to now…
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indeed.
I’ve said it before too. In a CBA vacuum, I’d take Johnson. Considering the ages and contracts, I’d still take Johnson but it’s closer. Considering that they punted Gordon to have neither for a season and then only merely have the chance of signing Joe Johnson…I’d rather just keep Gordon.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
and to further question how risky it is for the Bulls to sign away Johnson
Hawks fans aren’t even that keen on extending him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Max contract
I like the salary cap system, but I think one of the problems that has happened is that anyone who is young, all-star, and best player on their team thinks they have chance at max contract
it seems if there is a “max” that should be only for guys like the very top level carry your team guys, like Lebron, Kobe, Wade … I wouldn’t think max contract should be given to JoeJohnson or even Brandon Roy, it hurts your team to have so much tied up with one player
by NY Chicago Fan on Aug 5, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
I was not really trying to compare them and by “or even” I actually meant Roy was better
I just saw on ESPN that Roy signed for the max, I just meant that even Roy I do not think should be getting a max contract, I mean they have decent team already and Roy is not leading them far in playoffs by himself
by NY Chicago Fan on Aug 6, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd argue that no player in the league will single-handedly lead a team far in the playoffs
Look at the historically good players.
MJ – Losing seasons and first round playoff exits his first 3 years
Kobe- Losing season and then 2 first round playoff exits after Shaq
Lebron- Losing season first year, missed the playoffs the first two years.
And really, how decent is their team without Roy? Last year they had a rookie Oden who didn’t play that well. And Aldridge, who’s IMO a good player but not a max player at all. How many games does that team win without Roy? They won 54 with him. I bet they win half as many without him.
not single handly of course
that is my point you need more then 1 great player to win, therefore so many players should not be getting the max so their team can spend more money on the other players needed to really contend
my argument is I guess it seems like only a few players due to their all-nba abilities and also their money making for the franchise should actually be getting the max contract
of course each player wants to make as much as he can so that is counter helpful for the team
probably pointless argument I know, such a fine line between overpaying and being cheap and not building a contender by not paying guys
by NY Chicago Fan on Aug 6, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree
I think pretty much the only truly max worthy players at this point are
Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Paul
KG
Dirk
Roy
Yao
Duncan
Iffy
Pierce
Billups
Melo
Durant
Iggy
Bosh
Arenas
That’s 15 guys, coincidentally, which would be the All-NBA 1st, second and 3rd team. Or just under the top 5% of the players in the league.
And yes, I think Iggy is underpaid by not making the max. Like Roy, try and picture the Sixers without him. Again, I picture them winning about half as many games. That guy is an obvious difference maker.
I am surprised...
That you would think Yao and Dirk deserve max contracts, but not Dwight Howard…additionally, surprised that both Amare Nash did not make it to your iffy list…but somehow Pierce and Arenas did…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Yeah..
I think he just forgot about Amare, Nash and Dwight Howard. There’s no way he was thinking, “Howard? He’s not even iffy. I’d pay him the MLE — tops.”
This has to be an accidental ommission.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 6, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Howard and Nash certainly deserve to be on the list
Not at all sure about Amare.
And obviously, some of those guys are really getting up there in age, which would factor into the consideration of actually giving them a max contract again.
I’m more thinking through who are the guys who I think make a drastic difference in a team winning and losing games. Phoenix without Amare but with Nash… still a decent team. Phoenix without Nash but with Amare… general train wreck. That sort of thing.
kg for the max?
i dont know about that….unless its for 3 years with a team option…
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Hah, tell that to eclectic spider
he said in the “Go ahead and keep Hinrich” post that his Blazers could lose Roy and still be “guaranteed to make the playoffs.” He was pretty sure they’d win more than 45 games without him.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 6, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
He's an idiot, and besides 45 wins in the West gets you a lottery ticket
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 6, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
yea thanks
its a better answer than…“But hes taller”
;)
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I disagree
that one had 3 recs!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 5, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
...
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ah...
thank you…..
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