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i liked how he laughs when they talk about pargo replacing ben gordon…at the begining though it seems like gordon lost his train of thought at some point or something, he kept going on and on and i had trouble remember what was the inital question.
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Ben was going on about how Ben is the perfect NBA player.
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heh, he basically was
that’s the style that wins, and I’m perfect for it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
You could tell he really didn't believe what he was saying.
I mean, he referenced the Steve-Nash-In-His-Prime-Suns as the reason to go for a smaller all-scoring lineup and spoke about the proven success of said system despite the lack of championships. Defense still wins championships, and probably always will.
they were pretty successful.
platitudes aside.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If by success, you mean utter failure and disappointment.
Not that you read my posts anyway…but its nice to see that you define “pretty successful” as losing in the conference playoffs…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
wait
multiple 60 win seasons, 2 mvp awards for Nash, 2 visits to the Western Conference finals, 1 altercation away from going to the finals, and 5 straight seasons where they finished 1st or 2nd in their division, and the Suns weren’t “pretty successful”? The Bulls would be lucky to touch that level of failure in the next 10 years.
A little lesson – the last 10 years of the Bulls have been filled with “utter failure and disappointment.” The last 10 years for the Suns have had years of great success and some failures. I guess the Cleveland Cavs, Orlando Magic and Denver Nuggets should also be classified as utter failures as well. I mean, they didn’t win the championship.
I guess we as bulls fans should be happy. We never been good enough to have had a disappointing playoff appearance. Every playoff appearance for the Bulls is success! Ten years of rebuilding, fuck yeah!
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 4, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
29 teams fail every season, big whoop
I still would have happily been a Suns fan for the Mike D’Antoni tenure, I can’t remember what it’s like to root for a team that is actually supposed to contend for a title and does so.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 5, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Well you gotta have defense
But I still don’t like that saying all that much. I liked Jordans “teamwork and intelligence” bit seems to cover more. Because to me both the Lakers and Magic weren’t the best defensive teams in their conference.
I think Ben actually has a point that this “era” or whatever you want to call it will be a faster tempo than this past decade. And he didn’t dismiss team defense.
Based on D-Rtg
Magic were the best defensive team in the league. Lakers were 6th best, and 3rd best in the conference.
Out of the second round teams, the Hawks at 11th and Mavericks at 17th were the worse defensive teams.
You had Magic – 1st, Celtics – 2nd, Cavs – 3rd, Rockets – 4th, Lakers – 6th, Nuggets – 8th
Out of the second round teams.
If you want to win a championship though, you really need to have to be like top 7 in both offense and defense.
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Cleveland was a more consistent defensive team though theres no doubt. I find it hard to say the Magic were a better defensive team still than them I’d if anything say its even.
But to me Clevland and Boston (but more talented than the Heat or Hawks) both had to rely on it a bit more and Lakers-Nuggets were kind of like that on the offensive side. (but were more talented than a Dallas or Utah…well at least mentally for Utah) The Magic and Rockets may have been the best as far as a good balance to me.
If LA is ranked 6th and won the title with also the Mavs 17th getting to the 2nd round I just think its not cut and dry with those ratings. Your offense can help your defense though and vice versa to me as long as its still to a certain extent.
That's pretty much the point, no?
Defense AND offense wins championships…
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
regarding the laugh:
“Jannero’s a great friend so I wasn’t laughing at him, but just the statement in itself that I would have to fight for playing time after leading the team in scoring every year is kinda funny.”
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
I can see now why it seemed Ben and Derrick never talked
In reality, they were just speaking their own language.
Ben: Uh…
Derrick: Uhh..
It’s indecipherable to human ears, but they were actually discussion nano-particles and string theory
by Sports2 on Aug 4, 2009 6:50 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
he did say um a lot
but overall he was pretty engaging. Rose is as engaging as the apples he eats in bed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Plus they’re both really quiet guys on top of that.
"In essence, our guys are complementary-type players. We still have to find a mix that works and is balanced."-John Paxson
Did I hear Ben wrong?
or did he mention D’antoni and the Suns winning two championships?
by darksmokepuncher on Aug 4, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions
haha yup he said the Suns have won 2 championships
and the first objective in basketball is to score………. and that’s where it stops
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
LOL that was just bizarre
it’d explain a lot if Ben thought they did win two.
He mentioned Nash though, so maybe he meant the two MVPs.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
though it was very interesting
how he lauded D’Antoni ball (penetration, shooting the 3) and said that grind it out defensive teams can no longer be effective due to the rule changes.
Somewhere Reinsdorf is clutching his Red Holtzman book and disagreeing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
somewhere the Boston Celtics disagree
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
The 2008 Celtics also had a top 10 offense
Gordon obviously thinks you can win a title by scoring a ton, that’s what he’s good at. I still think he’s right, at least for the next 4-5 years. You can’t have a crappy offense and an amazing defense and still win a title. It might be good enough to make the Finals (Cleveland in 2007), but it won’t win out.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 4, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
"You can’t have a crappy offense and an amazing defense and still win a title"
ditto, but the opposite is also true…you cant have and amazing offense and crappy defense and win a title. You need to have a consistant offense for sure, but you also need to be able to get stops.
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I never said the opposite was true
And people who point out the Spurs and Celtics seem to forget those teams were also very good offensively.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 4, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, well...
No NBA championship team ever had Ben Gordon on it!!!! No Gordon means championships!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he was too busy taking care of BG...
To actually watch basketball…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Exactly what I'd want from a player!
Not sulking? Getting immediately back in the gym to work towards next season? I like team players. I know you don’t, though.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I heard this in the car.
It sounded pretty lame. Nothing new really. Ben seems to lose his focus on the phone. I hate when players start moving chairs or talking to other people in the room.
Its interesting that he brought up 'running the floor' as well
wasn’t that supposedly the plan this year with VDN?
we were still primarily a half-court team, and thats with a good rebounder in Noah, and a stupidly quick Derrick Rose.
Stuckey isn’t nearly as quick, and right now I don’t think the Pistons actually have a center. Villanueva doesn’t believe in playing close to the basket, or rebounding, so I’m not so sure the Pistons will be able to get out and run.
by darksmokepuncher on Aug 5, 2009 9:25 AM CDT reply actions
Come on...they got Kwame for their center...
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
yea watever
id like to see him play defense there…
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
can you believe that bernstein questioned if he enjoys the game??
What kind of question is that. no wonder boers complains that people only know him from his newspaper days and never mention his radio show like he was complaining about today
take it easy
why care about a bloggers grammar
no matter how much you hate me you still read and comment me
Gordon said he wanted to do a sign-and-trade.
I’m D2.0 and others will disregard that, but I know one of the accepted wisdoms around here is that they didn’t do a sign-and-trade because no other team offered what Gordon wanted. He implies here that he was ready to take something, but the Bulls didn’t want to. My guess is because it meant that they’d have to take back more contracts.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
the rumor last season
was other teams who were willing to give gordon what he wanted wanted to ship the bulls “multiple” bad contracts… and i’d agree with them that that’s not worth it.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I remember one particular story saying the Heat wanted to send Shawn Marion (expiring)
Which doesn’t strike me as a bad contract at all.
no, i'd agree with that
but i just remember the one thing i read regarding his possible sign and trade deals had that phrasing in it. if it was just marion, then sure i do that deal.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
D2.0 sucks
who cares what he regards? Don’t troll.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 6, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Pargo...
I’m gonna have to remember that worlds best shooting dwarf line for when i’m watchin this year.
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