Trade Idea on a slow August day
by bigballa10 on Aug 27, 2009 3:29 PM CDT
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Like a lot of you, I spent a lot of time speculating on things the Bulls can do to get better for the future. One plan of action that the appear to be following is utilizing cap space on a free agent next season to try and take the next step. It's been discussed on this blog in several posts that the Bulls will need to clear some additional cap space in order to sign a max type free agent (Bosh, Wade, LeBron) because with Salmons likely not to opt out and Hinrich still under contract, they will basically need to let Tyrus walk to have that kind of money. I'm no salary cap/luxury tax guru, but I think a trade with the Houston Rockets could possibly help both teams this season and for the future. A trade of Brad Miller, Kirk Hinrich, and Tyrus Thomas for Tracy McGrady and Luis Scola works for both teams.
How it helps the Bulls:
Tracy McGrady is often injured as we all know. However, he is a bonafide star when healthy, we would be giving up two guys who will be coming off of our bench and one who we may possibly let walk for nothing. He will miss the first month of the season but we have John Salmons to start at the 2 anyway. He could really give us a go-to scorer in the playoffs as well. Luis Scola is a solid PF that can score with his back to the basket, rebound, and defend. The key to all of this is, that's $26 milion coming off the cap for 2010.
How it helps the Rockets:
Yao Ming is out for the year and they have no center currently so Brad Miller can move right in and be the starting center. Kirk Hinrich gives them a solid guard than can play either 1 or 2, defend, knock down threes and run the offense. The Rockets can take a one year flyer on Tyrus who, given a new team, new environment, contract year etc and see what he can do. They get 3 starting quality players on a team that will be without McGrady for at least the first month anyway and won't have Yao at all. Also, they will have about $17 million expiring in Tyrus and Brad Miller for 2010.
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This gives us a crap load of cap room, isn’t McGrady expiring…20 million off the books….and Kirk’s contract gone too.
Scola is a decent replacement for Tyrus….this actually isn’t a terrible trade idea.
by C Smoove on Aug 27, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McGrady? Double-Deng :-(
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by exult463 on Aug 27, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so
but he’s got over $23 million in salary coming off the cap. Being a contract year and likely his last chance at a pretty big contract, if he’s healthy at all we will play and play hard. Worst case scenario is he’s hurt as usual, we didn’t lose but one starter for him and Scola actually would be an improvement over Tyrus in terms of consist production. I just feel like Houston would be just as anxious to get rid of McGrady as we would to get his expiring deal. If we end up worse this year, so be it. We get a lottery pick for our troubles and a load of cap space.
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by bigballa10 on Aug 27, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely an interesting idea
Would Houston be willing to their remaining star/go-to player with Yao and Artest gone? Not knowing a great deal about Scola, but he’s capable of knocking down 17-footers. That would bode well for the pick and roll offense. I don’t know about him being a back to the basket player though.
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by RussBus65 on Aug 27, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As long as we're throwing out trade ideas why not something like
Rose and Thomas for Al Jefferson and Flynn or rights to rubio
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Aug 27, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you're certifiable?
by smash! on Aug 27, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcastic...I hate trade ideas...
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Aug 28, 2009 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then stay out of trade ideas
No reason to troll a thread that actually has a realistic trade scenario.
by runningman on Aug 28, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
That is idiotic.
Enough said
The Dude Abides
by Savage23 on Sep 4, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a pretty solid idea..
but, it leaves us really thin for the beginning of the season:
PG: Rose
SG: Salmons
SF: Deng
PF: Scola
C: Noah
Reserves: James Johnson, Taj Gibson, Aaron Gray, Jannero Pargo -—— YIKES!
Of course this would get infinitely better once McGrady comes back (assuming he does come back) and would provide us with a boat-load of cap room.
The idea of an additional lottery pick doesn’t excite me that much because a.) being in the lottery makes us less attractive to potential free agents and b.) we all know that our front office will inevitably screw said draft pick up unless the choice is painfully obvious.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Aug 27, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about the comment
that suggested including Rose in a trade not the original post.
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by Savage23 on Sep 16, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this...
I wonder if they’d rather have Salmons though to replace McGrady?
by smash! on Aug 27, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They might...
Considering Salmons would provide more of a scoring threat than Hinrich, which is presumably what they would be looking for in dumping TMac.
I don’t post on here a lot, but this trade idea really intrigues me. I think it really works for both sides in the short term, although it probably favors us more in the long term.
by bullsNC on Aug 27, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It leaves us short this year but are we really going to do anything more than make the playoffs and lose in the first round anyway. TMac’s expiring greatly enhances the chance of getting a 2010 star….all we lose is Hinrich basically. Scola is a guy who can put up 14/8 every game consistently and will hustle hard and has an ok jumper. Only downside is that our bench is now short as hell and if any starter goes down, we’re in a world of trouble.
This is a pretty good idea. And if McGrady can contribute by the second half, this may be a great idea. I like it.
by C Smoove on Aug 27, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jesus.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 27, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
only Jesus could think up a trade this good?
by In Walks Rudy on Aug 27, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry I didn't read the trade.
I had my head in the microwave.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 28, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vinnie Johnson?
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Aug 28, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
oh the trade is wonderful.
Great idea. I just don’t like it.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 28, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are worried about this year, then this trade probably makes us a 38 win team.
If you are one of the ones who is going all out to have a chance in 2010 sweepstakes, this is a good deal.
I am in the middle….this year is kind of a wash anyway so why not roll the dice? Miller is gonna be gone next year and Kirk should have been traded anyway…so all we are losing is Tyrus and Scola is a more than adequate replacement.
I really don’t see how this is such a terrible idea.
by C Smoove on Aug 28, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty much where I am
We need to just roll the dice in my opinion if they really want to get a real star in 2010. I don’t see this current team getting past the first round against any of those top 3 teams in the East.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."- Michael Jordan
by bigballa10 on Aug 28, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
defence
bulls are moving in a diferent direction or are “trying” to anyways…reason why we parted with Gordon and kept hinrich and salmons and signed deng to maximum contract and didnt sign amare and thats because the bulls want to become a defensive team…will they get there..thats a different question
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by PORCH1 on Aug 28, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all contracts are maximum contracts
Gordon didn’t want a max contract, and Deng didn’t get a maximum contract.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Aug 29, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
ok sorry i messed up the techincalities but deng has the largest contract at chicago and ben wanted about the same initially…
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by PORCH1 on Aug 30, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben was willing to accept 6/54
They freakin’ pulled the lowball offer off the table.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Aug 31, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This frees some cap room, but not much more...
Miller and Tyrus were already coming off the books next year…I don’t dislike the trade I suppose, since we would have a go to scorer in the playoffs and Hinrichs contract is gone, but there might be a better way to get rid of Hinrich’s contract without screwing the beginning of the season…better to get rid of hinrich for two expirings…maybe to portland
by DRose01 on Aug 28, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitly a good ideia
Scola is not as spectacular as Tyrus, but a reliable guy. So, yeah, I kind of like this trade. But I don’t know if I would make it. I know that the summer of 2010 is bit far, but I’m starting to have my doubts. Geting ourselves in a position to sign a FA is good, but I’m not sure if we are going to get one. I’m starting to think they will all stay in their teams. Including Bosh. The Raptors have a nice group of players, and with the arrival of Turkoglu, I think they can do nice things this year. If Bosh, Wade and LeBron stay put, what does that leave us? Amare?
by bull83 on Aug 28, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We could have sent Hinrich to POR but that obviously didn’t happen. McGrady isn’t going to play until January at the earliest but if we can stay injury free, we can still make the playoffs with Kirk or Brad. Then McGrady can step in and provide some extra offense and then his huge contract comes off the books plus we get a reliable 14/8 PF. And Kirk’s contract is off our books too.
If Deng or Salmons get injured, we are screwed. Also it’s gonna to suck having Gray be the primary backup center. This is still a deal worth making. Having Kirk is kind of a luxury anyway. I don’t think not having either of them totally sinks the season.
I think Houston would take Tyrus and Miller but I don’t see them wanting Hinrich when they have Brooks/Lowry as the PG combo.
by C Smoove on Aug 29, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kirk can't leave yet he has to break ben gordon's Bulls 3pt scoring record this year
so his jersey can hang in John Paxson’s bedroom
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Aug 29, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly think we should keep Tyrus till the trade deadline
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by BelieveinBlue2314 on Aug 29, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Houston Would never accept this trade
Aaron Brooks is their PG and he played well for the Rockets during the Playoffs… taking into account that Yao was out… Brooks had some monster games… and hes younger… and cheaper.
I doubt they have any interest in Hinrich… who is older and has a bigger contract…
I’ll take Scola’s consistency and Bball IQ over Thomas athletic ability personally. Plus Scola put up superior numbers in the playoffs…
I don’t see how Houston would see themselves benefiting from this trade. Even with Brad Miller thrown in. T-Macs contract year… I would rather have him for a year and let him walk next year instead of trading him and getting back inferior talent.
by 420man! on Aug 29, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn’t take Hinrich but they would probably take Salmons. I don’t think they have any other SGs besides McGrady….
I think they would do Salmons/Miller/Tyrus for T-Mac and Scola.
Young PF with upside, a starting quality SG and a center who can play 25 decent minutes…their only other center is David Andersen.
by C Smoove on Aug 30, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about trading Kirk Hinrich for Paul Gasol
coming up for air and about to attack loser Republican radicals
by left shark on Sep 1, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
or
how about we trade aaron gray from kobe braynt ?
"One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others"
by PORCH1 on Sep 1, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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