then you waste the 2 million$. and ur short in your guard rotation. If you trade them, who are you going to trade them to? obviously everyone will know theyre a nut case, and its not like someone is gonna offer an expiring contract in return.

Their upside is not worth the risk of being a head case.

and head is just a worse pargo (based on stats)

Is worse in every facet of the game than Jannero Pargo. Von Wafer’s a one season non wonder who took his one season and burned allt he bridges he could in a pivotal playoff series. McCants wants to be a 6th man at the very least, and we have HInrich, who is far far better, or possibly John Salmons in that role….not needed.

Also to your point, Ben Gordon and his instant scoring is getting paid what $58M, Pargo $2M.

Nobody is saying Pargo will replace BG, he won’t and he’d better not get those minutes…..or every day minutes….

But he’s not a terrible option, we don’t have the MLE to spend and we don’t have enough “gonna be a title threat” rep to get a guy like teams like the Suns got with Grant HIll taking a paycut to go there a few years ago…. plus we don’t really want a guy for more than a 1 yr filler.

We even close to being in the Lakers or the mid 90’s Bulls stratosphere?

No. Nor are the guys you’re talking about in the same caliber of players as Rodman and to a much lesser though oddly perhaps more well thought of Artest….

These guys aren’t anywhere near those types of talents, nor are we in a position where it makes sense to take the risk on the crazy talent with some return….

I don’t see your argument here at all.

Ben Wallace at his peak was an amazing player. Sure he lacked the pure talent, but he knew his skills, and he was simply amazing in Detroit…..fundamentally strong defender….he fit them to a T, and he seemed a leader in their title run and near defense the next year against 2 ridiculous teams of the last yr Shaq still in his prime Lakers and the Tim Duncan prime Spurs.

Is still Gar’s boss….from what I remember int he press release. He just wants to be more in the puzzle piece mold rather than in the throws witht he players, so Gar’s more a day to day operator.

Is totally 20-20. I would rather have Tyrus over LMA, though we wouldn’t be able to have both LMA AND Roy. The hindsight is that we should have picked Brandon Roy, though at the time the team, its fans and likely you thought we were set with the guards (a nice group of guards wtih Hinrich and Gordon before HInrich crapped out of nowhere).

Tyrus Thomas is younger than Aldridge, a far better defender…and still might have some of LMA’s offensive potential. He hasn’t quite worked to plan, but he’s far from a wasted space and is improving. I don’t see how Aldridge could be doing what he’s done in Portland here. In Portland they’ve set him up by already having the talent around him in the no nonsense Pryzbilla and of course getting Brandon Roy, the best player of his class, that Aldridge doesn’t ahve the pressure on him….making it even easier, the next year they got the overall #1 pick in Oden, further eliminating the pressure on LMA…..

Aldridge is a softie and I don’t think he’d do anything near what he’s done with Wallace shutting down, and Drew Gooden’s no D is good D next to him, or an out of shape Noah, with Skiles his head coach and then with Boylan the fillin….

He’d be labeled talented but likely bust like Thomas is unfortunately.

I have faith in T2 still and think this year we’ll either see something from him, or at worst still have a nice trade chip with him. I wish now we could have taken Brandon Roy, but so be it. Roy had injury concerns, Tyrus had the better tournament and was younger and much more athletic. That Tyrus pick at the time was seen as perfect—we pick the riskier player with the most upside and work him in slowly playing alongside Ben Wallace and perhaps if we can resign PJ Brown. When Brown backed out, we got super role player, veteran good guy Joe Smith in his place…..but then Ben Wallace crapped out so fast it was inexplicable….and the team was a mess.

It happens. The org took a risk on Wallace and a risk on Tyrus, one of which the risk may yet still pay off. I like that, because otherwise we go crazy and play it too safe.

We also now can be spenders again in the best market for free agents their have been in probably 20 years next year. If we don’t get the likely 3-4 max guys (Wade, Lebron of course possibly 2 of the Bosh, Joe Johnson and STAT, possibly older man Dirk (age is the question there) type) there’s still plenty of deals to be had with very good veteran players for less than the max that year who in other years might just have gotten the max because they’re very good talents and would be in the Rashard Lewis talent mold.

The org’s doing a lot better….

Granted I have less pure excitement as I have had the last 2 offseasons (2 years ago we were supposed to be the kings of the East before we blew up) and last year with Rose, a new head coach, and us knowing we underperformed, I was pumped….

But this year I think we’re in a better situation to be better than we had been…..because last year we underperformed given the injuries, rookie coach, and mashed up roster for half the year.

I loved Chandler when he was here, but he was a total headcase and would not have bounced back like he did in NO, he needed a change of scenery and he’s been oft-injured…..wouldn’t have helped us nearly enough. I was sad to see him go because of his athleticism and defense.

As losing BG may yield better players next year.

I agree Hinrich should be traded at some point, but not for complete salary dumping crap. If we had a PF or could get a reasonable inside the paint scorer, I’d love the duel PG attack of Rose-Hinrcih in our guards with slashing Deng and iso Salmons manning the bulk of the SF spot.

Getting Krapyappa might have proven something had we worked to play and build him….we didn’t. We did get an asset that we let rot. That was on Skiles….

Fact is on Salmons he and Martin were the two good pieces on the Kings. Beno and the rest of the crap didn’t help them. They weren’t bad 2 years ago, the bottom fell out last year….Salmons is a nice chip who was cheaper than what we had, better a talent and player than what we had and allowed us to rid the last pieces of the Wallace mistake really….as Miller could fit in and do enough (on the O rather than the D end) of what we could reasonably have expected Wallace to do in year 4 when we signed that deal…

The Ben Wallace signing was this orgs biggest mistake. The jury’s being called on Deng, but it’s too early to state that’s a terrible signing. THe other less attractive deals we’ve netted more attractive deals after they blew up.

THe orgs in a nice spot, not a great spot, but a nice spot….

But he’s a good player. Get over it. He’s our best defender, and sure he’ll have his over dribbling moments, but well that’s why he’s not a star. He’s still a good player in every way, shape and form.