Not everything keen in Blazertopia?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 9, 2009 9:41 AM CDT
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I can't stand the Blazers 'success', or their fans happiness. Getting a bunch of solid lottery picks is fun, but as we saw with the Skiles era, it's all rainbows and lollipops until people want to get paid. Granted, it's not the perfect comparison since Brandon Roy is better than anyone on the Bulls 'core', but still.
It's also not the perfect comparison because the Portland owner will pay the luxury tax. So I figured the putting-players-against-eachother negotiating tactics of the Bulls wouldn't similarly sour the Blazers(not that Ben Wallace didn't help that too) and their young assets.
In the meantime, there are small fires all around One Center Court.
That Roy is unsigned is particularly alarming and a signal that negotiations have snagged. Word is that Roy wants to sign for the maximum allowed five years, but the Blazers only want to commit to four years. A five-year deal would cost Portland about $82 million, although it won't be determined until the 2010-11 salary cap is set.
That a player of Roy's talent and character wants to lock in his future with your club should be embraced and lauded. Instead, the team is nickel-and-diming him with the amount of years. It's bad form.
If there was ever a no-brainer in extensions, it's that of Roy. You give him the maximum contract allowed. No hesitation. No questions asked. No nothing, other than showing him the courtesy of signing him the minute the signing moratorium ended Tuesday night.
Toronto did it with former No. 1 pick Andrea Bargnani, who inked a 5-year, $50 million deal.
If Bargnani has earned that type of respect, certainly Aldridge and Roy have. Especially Roy. He has done everything asked of him on the court, where he has put himself on track to become the franchise's greatest player of all time, and off the court, becoming the team's go-to player for public appearances and community relations as well as tirelessly serving as the team's spokesman to the media.
The Bargnani signing, by the way, was just more fuel to the fire engulfing Pritchard.
The Blazers had hoped to get off paying Aldridge around $10 million a year, but now that the market has been established with Bargnani at $10 million per year, the Blazers' will surely have to pony up at least $11 million per year for Aldridge. At least. Nothing, absolutely nothing, has gone right for the Blazers this summer.On Wednesday morning, Pritchard sounded weary and defeated, and refused to comment on his summer shortcomings.
What's the matter, Pritchslappy? Try the old 'security' line that Pax used to use. Make sure you sound like a real dissapointed parent (not that I'd know that sound personally, but I can imagine) when guys don't take such generous offers.
Blazers fans, rest assured that I am rooting for this all to blow up in your franchise's face so that you can start sniping at your players and eachother and be as miserable as I am as a Bulls fan!
(It probably will work out fine though, since your owner will pay the tax.)
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Don't be so sure about that.
Rich people are rich because they love money and make moves to ensure they have the most money they can possibly have. Blazer fans keep talking about how they have Paul Allen and Paul Allen will pay whatever to keep the Blazers contenders. Yet he squabbles over paying his best player one extra year? Is Roy 30 years old? Did I miss something? Also, they missed out on getting anything for the best trading chip ever in Raef Lafrentz contract. They could’ve had Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson or Gerald Wallace. All just for Raef’s contract. But no, they got greedy and asked for more. If I was a Blazer fan I would’ve been so pissed that they got nothing for Raef Lafrentz. So don’t think Portland has an open checkbook. Allen’s better than our guy, but it looks like the Blazers are about to be the next Chicago Bulls. OKC is the real young team on the rise.
Allen's had actual proof in his actions
heck, he payed the tax last season.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 9, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Pay the tax, yes.
But go into Isiah Thomas NYC tax level? which is what they will have to go into to resign all their players. Especially that Greg Oden. He’s the next Sam Dalembert. They have a better owner, which is like saying your taller than Gary Coleman, but he is not Dolan or Cuban. At least, he hasn’t shown it yet.
Isiah Thomas doesn't have shit on Paul Allen
Scottie Pippen
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $14,795,642
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $13,750,000
2001-02 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $18,083,564
2002-03 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $19,727,524
Damon Stoudamire
1998-99 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $9,000,000
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $10,125,000
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $11,250,000
2001-02 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $12,375,000
2002-03 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $12,375,000
2003-04 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $14,375,000
2004-05 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $12,500,000
Shawn Kemp
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $11,720,000
2001-02 Portland Trail Blazers NBA $12,660,000
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
While PA was the first to
double the salary cap in 2000 paying over $75 million when the cap was only $34 million, the Knicks did it later on a grander scale, paying over $60 million in luxury tax a few years back. Both have spent wildly, but at least PA got a WCF appearance out of it.
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by haildablazer on Jul 11, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The post wasn't a knock on Paul Allen, it was proof that Allen does spend his money
The 2000 season was worth it, but the GM (I forget the name) trading for Shawn Kemp and Rod Strickland in the following season, man that just sucked the life out of that team.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 11, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
he is already better than Dalambert
here are his similarity scores for his rookie year when he was still overcoming an injury
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/2/4/749102/kevin-pelton-s-stat-bomb-s
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
If he were 30 we would pay him the max...
stupid Hedo….
I think you forgot the "pass" after "puff puff"
by Coconut Pete on Jul 10, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
best player in team history?
Roy’s good but he’s got a long way to go before he supplants Clyde Drexler
Well, at least we can take solace
in the fact that the best player in our franchise’s history is significantly better than both.
Actually, that didn’t work, I’m still pissed.
by potato0328 on Jul 9, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Roy’s PER this year was as good as Clyde’s best. Not that PER is a perfect stat by any means, but it shows they’re in the same ballpark.
draft the stache
I love Clyde
but Roy’s game is so much more complete
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
on defense, too?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
This is a no-brainer
Roy is the cornerstone of that franchise. The Bargnani signing was stupid and will haunt the Raps in the future if he doesn’t improve (think Dalembert).
Homecoming
I rec'd this
just because ol pritchslap is realizing it isn’t so easy to pritchslap your own players when it comes time to get paid.
by Calogero on Jul 9, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Are they worried about Roy staying healthy?
That’s the only thing I can think of.
by arjoseph on Jul 9, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point
Those ankles had him drop….forgot about that.
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
If Roy were smarter and really believes he is a max player...
He would follow the lead of Lebron, Wade and Bosh, sign the four year extension with an option at the end of the third year, which will get him to 7 year vet max deal sooner…
But, I understanding wanting the guaranteed money over the longer term, like Carmel Anthony…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
That'd be a horrible idea by Roy
because the new CBA will kick in after 2010, or they’ll hold off til 2011. The new CBA will be more owner friendly, less player friendly.
Yeah
I think he’s smarter today to sign for the full 6 years because the market may be declining and he could give up a lot of money….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
Dig it
The BRI is going to go down. I think the league’s estimate is conservative. NBPA hates it, but so do kids when they’re allowance gets cut after a job loss. Sign now. Get as many years as you can.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Naturally, Blazersedge isn't always objective
But, the majority of the sane people there attribute this to Jason Quick being an asshole, and I tend to agree given his propensity to stir up drama when there is none.
Pritchard is just being a typical GM, making life hard for the players just for the sake of it.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
I'm not sure it's even that bad
He said today, that he hasn’t ruled anything out. They’re just concentrating on something else right now. I’d prefer they multi-tasked and got Roy and LMA sewn up, but I’m sure they understand.
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Surprised it wasn't canzano
Although he had KP on his radio show today and blasted him.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Again
That note last year warning about Darius Miles should more than indicate that while the Blazers paid ridiculous funds 10 years ago, the game’s changed with the stock market crash, the real estate crash, banks slowing funding to all companies, the investors in the Blazers and their majority owners having a tougher time converting assets….and the NBA still being a big gap in US popularity from #1 and #2 (Football and Baseball)….
Tough times. They may overspend to a bit to keep some, but they will have to have some of those guys go and won’t dramatically overspend the Bulls when it’s all said and done, UNLESS they sniff a WC championship at the right time or win it all….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
And it should be remembered
that in the past ten years Paul Allen has lost a lot of money – his companies like the Sporting News, Charter Communication (in bankruptcy right now) have not done well at all and those failures have nothign to do with the current economic situation.
by KT on Jul 9, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Glad to know you're so in with the Blazers FO you can tell us what they'll be spending and what they can afford
Next time you check in, can you let us know if they still have any interest in Kurt?
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Dude
Just trying to point out that unlike all the BaB posters out there, it’s not nearly as much a slam dunk that Paul Allen will just pay pay pay pay pay pay pay pay pay pay pay and pay.
I mean if he were, why would he care quite as much about the Miles thing?
Why would this Roy not signing even be leaked with the info it’s been leaked.
Brandon Roy’s already a bonafide superstar, and an even better leader. You don’t let stories about you trying to low ball him leak out….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
The Miles thing wasn't about the luxury tax, it was about cap space for this off season
Allen’s spent gobs of money on the Blazers and Seahawks and provided no indication that’s going to change anytime soon. Until he does or it shows in the way the organizations spend, let’s assume that it will be business as usual.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Right before free agency started
Paul Allen was quoted by saying “go for it”. We in PDX are so lucky that we have Paul Allen because if we didn’t we may not have any pro sports teams in the Beaver state.
C*mcast sucks!
by Blazermaniac77 on Jul 9, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Paul Allen has said in Portland that he will not let a young player go for cash reasons.
draft the stache
Anyone in business should know
That talk is cheap, actions say more. He will mask “letting someone go” for cash concerns wherever possible, but there comes a point where some of their good young talent (a GOOD player or two, not Roy) will have to go…unless they win it all perhaps….
Heck even the Lakers are drawing out the thing with Lamar Odom….
The Celtics were in talks to trade Rajon Rondo and expiring Ray Allen…..
it happens. Let’s not christen Paul Allen as the greatest owner in the game until he does exactly what you all keep claiming.
Why I get razzed on here for saying that is mindboggling.
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
Because Allen has done exactly what you keep saying he won't do
For over a decade. He happily signed a horrible extension for Darius Miles when the Blazers were all but shunned by the city.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
majoyenrac is the master
at the Eli Cash-esque quote:
Well, everyone knows Custer died at Little Bighorn. What this book presupposes is… maybe he didn’t.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 9, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I work in finance
And I’m paid to be a Negative Nancy, that’s all.
Plus I like to think despite what I know that JR ain’t that bad unless he had a winner….
And I think all owners learn from mistakes. Paying Miles and Randolph were hardly successful and the entire economic climate today is far far far different that it was even 2 years ago, let alone the what 5 years ago those extensions happened. We haven’t seen anything like this in a good 30 years….
Add in that football is far diff from bball, in terms of market and local market, and that his bball team has floundered and all these mini reports debunk the “well he’s paid before” and said he’d pay philosophy.
I’d prefer a motivated owner as the Bulls owner, but I’m just saying don’t judge all the chickens until their hatched.
That’s it.
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 9, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're in finance, so you probably suffer from rationality
Allen’s a fan and the “accidental billionaire.” God love him, he’ll get excited about winning and “go for it.” He’s richer than Cuban and just as big of a fan, but vastly less annoying.
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I do suffer too much
from rationality. THat’s a perfect assessment. THe Cuban’s (strike it rich and get out 3-4 years before the bubble burst, accidental billionaires, lottery winners, etc are foreign to me….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
He is the richest owner in any US professional sport.
The Miles letter was because that fucked up our cap space. All his money was paid by an insurance company.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Luxury tax
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
Portland
I am sick of the Kirk for Outlaw & Blake trade rumors. I too would like to see things blowup in the Blazer’s face.
U guys know that quick is reporting this right?
hes not credible at all when ti comes to things like this hes just desperate for a story cuz its offseason and i hope blazers bannish him from the practice facility. Roy will get max contract and so will Aldridge
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
silence all dissidents!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 9, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
A max contract for Adridge?
That’s a lot of money for a power forward who can’t rebound. In fact, one might even call him a ninny.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 9, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Shhh, a max contract for Aldridge only accelerates the rapid destruction of the Bizarro Baby Bulls
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Tyrus or Aldridge? Take your pick.
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no one was suggesting a max contract for tyrus though.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I know, but since the post is all about smack talk
I thought I’d get involved. Maybe Tyrus is a ninny too. IDK, he’s not a Blazer.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
nor would they...
ever.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
That's because Bulls fans and Blazers fans are stupid.
Much like all fans. But Bulls fans irrationally hate their potentially great players unless they come with the yessah’s and the whateveryousaysah’s and Blazers fans irrationally love their players. Thomas is worth more than what he’ll be offered and Aldridge is not “worth” as much as what he’ll be offered.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Well said
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
Aldridge is a very good Offensive rebounder...
despite his below average overall rebounding blazers were Number 1 in rebounding last season. so suck it. we are big and athletic.
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
Aldridge is a great offensive rebounder because the players around him are good at offensive rebounding?
Whoa!
You’ve opened my mind into a whole world of correlative statistics that I never knew were there before!
It’s like … Kobe Bryant is really good in iso situations, so obviously Shannon Brown is really good at iso. Kobe’s just stealing his touches.
Gah, ballhog.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
actually, Aldridge is a good offensive rebounder
it’s his defensive rebounding that is subpar given his positions, size, and atheleticism. Mostly it appears to be technique, as he often does not even attempt to box out.
offensive rebounding and defensive rebounding really rely on different skills. defensively, it’s more about finding a man, putting a body on him, and being in the right place. offensively, it’s often about reading the angles and using quickness and atheleticism to sneak past the defenders. never hurts to be playing next to a guy who draws double teams either.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Yeah, I read bowdown's thing wrong.
Completely wrong, actually.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 10, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec for class
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The funny part is that his worst health problems were with the Clippers. Then he got healthy enough again to win in Boston.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
you mean the 30 seconds it took to come back
from down 3 games to 0 to win a championship?
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
that didn't happen
and has never happened in the NBA, only NHL and MLB
Does the future of Bayless figure in this?
Bayless was draft into NBA as a one-year removed H.S. senior (just like D.Rose) and he was plenty good (bonafide “star”) as a college freshman.
Brandon Roy was drafted into the NBA as a college senior and he’s now a NBA allstar.
Both players natural position is SG with PG skills..
man up!
probably not
as they want him to be scoring point alongside Roy and also be good enough on defense to slow down other scoring points.
If I am reading you right I dont think that the Blazers have any inclination that Bayless would somehow replace Roy
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
Also,
if they sign Milsap, they aren’t resigning Aldridge.
huh?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 9, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I have seen a couple Milsap to Portland rumors...
And wondered what the Aldridge plan was…
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
Why is it that if we sign Millsap....
that we wont resign Aldridge? Basically, the way i see it we are
A) forcing a division rival to overpay for Millsap and/or we have a GREAT trade piece/incredible front court or
B)this is the beginnning of a three way trade with, yes, Chicago for Captain Kirk. You end up with Boozer, and Utah gets Millsap at an expensive price and our cap space. And we get our Vet PG that we have craving.
Millsap and Kirk in one offseason would put us over the top, IMO.
Just a thought.
And the author of this post needs to ease up on the jealousy(its really obvious, but understandable i guess)
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 9, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
How do the Blazers end up with Millsap
if you have him staying in Utah?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Correction....
Millsap or Kirk is what i meant… but if this were to go through, I would think we would reach for Bass. The numbers fit if we send Blake or Outlaw out
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 9, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
bullshit
Millsap is an asset, LMA goes nowhere
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
If they sign him
Utah will match.
It’s about not letting Utah get him for peanuts, primarily.
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Blazers are so talented at the position of SG (Roy, Rudy, Bayless)
Pritchslappy is in love with all three players. This guy loves shooting guards, and Paxson loves players who are combo guards but desire to be point guards.
Pritch really doesn’t want Kirk, Blazer fans do, but Pritchslappy can’t keep these three guys happy on the same team.
Pritch should just wise up and trade one of those three SG’s for Kirk. I’d take any one of the three. (not Pargo!)
man up!
These are Kevin Pritchards words.
On Brandon/LaMarcus Contract Extension Talks
In any negotiation there are conflicts, right? LaMarcus and Brandon are absolutely critical to what we are doing going forward and they are going to be here a long time. We are having amicable talks with their agents, we’ve known their agents for a long time, they’ve done Martell Webster, it’s that group, it’s not like we are going through this for the first time with those guys. It’s amicable. We plan to make it amicable. More importantly, Brandon and LaMarcus will be here for a long time.
I suggest you all check this out before believing the BS that Jason Quick is spouting.
yeah,
Roy and Aldrige will be around for quite sometime. You should get used to the idea.
Quick is full of shit.
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 9, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Can I flag?
Is it okay to flag somebody for bringing me down?
I have had a Love fest for Brandon Roy since his draft. I thought, and still think, that he is THE player that the Bulls need. (Not counting Lebron)
I want him miserable in Portland so he can “Jay Cutler” his way to Chicago!
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
by kidronmusic on Jul 9, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He would be sick with Rose
but I don’t think he’s got any love for Chicago. He’s a NW boy, and an EX-Laker fan. If he burns us for any team, it’ll be a scorcher.
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Kirk Hinrich:
Kyle Orton!
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
you heard it!
“conflicts”!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 9, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
At least he didn't use the word "process"
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Oh yes he did, but regarding Hedo
I was disappointed. I can’t hide my emotions that way. Very disappointed. We went through a process with him. We got to a point where we both felt comfortable. But here’s what I do know, if it wasn’t right for him it wasn’t right for us. We are after players who are about winning, who are about being successful and who are about being unselfish. If it didn’t fit, it didn’t fit and I’d rather know now than later.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
This post is in such bad taste
Why would you wish things like on a franchise that is comprised of highly talented and great character guys. Kevin Pritchard doesnt like the term Pritch slap himself he has made it clear. blazer fans are among the most respectful around you will find
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
There is always an odd man out
I would not have expected that to be Ben Gordon with the Bulls. It was.
Start selling your LMA goods. He gone. You can do better without him anyway.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
LMA is not going anywhere.
lets get to straight talk now. That serves you right for having a midget SG as your franchise player. Paul Allen will pull money out of his nutsack to keep both Brandon And LMA. he loves his team he can be seen on the sidelines regularly watching the game with a hawk eye. Lets go back to 2001 blazers had the biggest payroll in the NBA. Allen will not shy away this time either.
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
Please pay LMA
I am begging for the Blazers to retain their own guys into the tax without improving the team.
You need to plug your holes, not extend them.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 9, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
hahahaha
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
I laughed as well. Probably for a different reason.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I laugh at pretty much all of NBAO's posts
because they usually make about zero sense (just like this one). He’s pretty much on his own posting planet and is good for a laugh from time to time.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Oh ok...
Then we were laughing for the same reason :)
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I kind of wish I still had my old sig
with the greatest NBAO quote of all time. Anyone here remember it?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
"Sometimes when I'm watching at home, I call the foul before the refs do.
It’s scary." Or something to that effect???
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Yeah, that was it.
:D
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
I thought it was also funny because you can read sexual innuendo into it!
The Blazers … plugging that hole.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
Really though,
he has some good insight from time to time. His posting style is just very unique. I’m glad he’s around.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Our holes beat you by 42 this year
by We-B-Dunkin on Jul 10, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And yet the Bulls still let Gordon walk...
A team that had trouble scoring…
That’s 20+ points the Bulls organization decided they simply didn’t need on a nightly basis…
Just… “no thanks”…
More 42-point blowouts here we come!
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
I want to bring you all down to our (my) level.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That, my friend
is a task not even you can accomplish.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
I was hoping we could somehow get Martel Webster...
is that possible in any way?
His new contract extension
isn’t 2010 friendly.
He’s not very good and the Blazers rarely talk about him accept around contract time.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
He's good, but injured
Natural player, came out of high school but missed all last year. Who knows what he is now? We had high hopes. He could be had easily, I’d think.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
His shooting percentages are rather poor
is it all the other 4 Blazers’ fault or is he just another NBA shooter that should use his age and go to the cup?
The Blazers extend Webster and the Rockets send a driver to pick Von Wafer off the street.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 9, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Rather poor I guess
but he wasn’t shooting from the inside, and he was still really young. His position pretty much required him to be an outside shooter. Prolly could’ve driven a bit, but that’s really not his strong suit.
He (was) is better than Von Wafer, though I like Von’s tenacity.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
I think if the Bulls really wanted him you could probably get him with the right trade
the problem is that he was injured all but 5 mins of last season and I’ve got to imagine that it has hurt his value. However ATM Portland has Batum, Rudy, Roy, Outlaw, and Webster all of which can play some SF and I would expect one to two of them to be gone by seasons end (excluding Roy)
C*mcast sucks!
by Blazermaniac77 on Jul 9, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulls, celtics, lakers. All big city teams that have two things in common:
1. success
2. Insecure fans (more so bulls and lakers)
I don’t get what makes you entitled to spit on the hopes and dreams of small market franchises who don’t have the kind of opportunities you do to attract free agents. I acknowledge that we made our last run at the championship using your leftovers (Scottie Pippen). I also acknowledge that our franchises have been connected because of the infamous Sam Bowie pick. But instead of mocking us for making the wrong decision and having gone on completely divergent paths, can you not be simply thankful that you saw the GOAT make his home in the united center?
I swear, the anti-blazer sentiment on this site is no different than that of lakers fans. The only difference between your franchises is that the lakers have been successful in this past decade, while your glory days are behind you. Lakers’ fans demean PDX fans hopes for a championship because of apprehension about our possible success. Bulls’ fans do so out of bitterness.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Jul 9, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
your sig amuses me
are you really putting stock in anything said by the man who made this: (NSFW) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdj_c51lM58
Got to say
I was heartbroken watching the Blazers lose that what 15 pt lead in game 7 against the Lakers in the Pippen era….I was out in San Fran on vacation at the time, and loved the add’l press that got.
Really crushing. Scottie Pippen was awesome when healthy….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
that was terrible
and no one remembers the reffing was terrible in that game and was one of the games Donaghy claimed was tainted.
They also missed something like 15 straight field goals in the 4th quarter
Kind of hard to complain about the refs when you’re just giving the game away like that.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 10, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
unless
they were missing them because they were getting fouled. I hate the argument that good teams should win anyway. this is the NBA, everyone is good and a “little” advantage like being able to foul without it being called makes for a huge difference.
hey!
we’re the small market team, we can’t pay the tax!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Not quite, you are tax evaders
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
Wow
I’m amazed Bulls fans dislike the Blazers so much. Admittedly, a number of Blazer fans got too big for their britches and showered too much praise on Kevin Pritchard, and there was the email to the league as well, but in the end the Blazers are just another small market franchise whose fans live and die with their team because its the only team we’ve got. If you guys are hoping things blow up in Pritchard’s face, I guess that’s up to you, but I really don’t see why you would care that much. This Blazer team is never going to threaten the greatness of any of those Bulls champions regardless of what happens.
by jksnake99 on Jul 9, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
This surprises you?
I’m surprised YFBB was so civil.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this is meant to be wacky
I don’t truly hate the Blazers fans. I do smirk a bit when their perfect situation hits speed bumps though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
i dont think success has too much to do with it.
its the collective attitude of the fanbase. i rather like you guys because you are enthusiastic and that is always good for the league. but some people find you very self-satisfied as of late, and kind of cult-like. also, even though portland and la both have very fun teams to watch, you guys shouldnt compare yourselves to laker fans. even your detractors will probably admit most of you are intelligent and informed, whereas many of the laker fans primarily speak a kind of shrill, primitive language that is unpleasant to listen to.
Tsk tsk!
Jealousy is SO ugly. Parading around as “dislike” is even worse since then he who is jealous is hiding the fact from himself.
Duct tape makes you smart.
Misery loves company
Have to say I love the post. It’s incredibly complementary. I appreciate that you see what we have here and that you want it gone. Much rather be on this side of a fiasco, of course.
You’re a funny guy Your friendly Bulls Blogger.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Jul 9, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
rec
you have the correct attitude :-D
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
This is like the Yankees picking on the Orioles
Only in this case the Orioles are much better than the yankees. It’s so cute!
Haha!
As a Blazer fan I think it’s AWESOME that fans of other teams are making posts like this. Now I know what it feels like to be a L*ker fan.
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by GonzoFan on Jul 9, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
karma is a bitch
Now I know what it feels like to be a L*ker fan
I love how BEdgers are actually here complaining about Yfbb hating on Portland. I feel like its karma for all the Laker hate on BE
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so."
Entirely different
Because L@ker hate is directed against, well, the L@kers.
It goes way, way back.
Sure, you guys deprived us of a championship, but we never hated the Bulls.
L@ker hate is genetically imperative. We can’t do anything about it.
You guys are choosing to hate us. You didn’t always hate us. You have a choice in the matter.
I’m going to write my doctoral thesis on the causes, symptoms, and various manifestations of fan hatred. I can’t think of any more valuable way to spend a year of my life than studying the topic. This thread will be a primary exhibit.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
you're right
It’s more like Blazers fans hating on Utah ( I’m not sure particularly why tho…). But they just chose to hate them
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so."
Who the hell likes Utah besides Jazz fans?
You can like the current roster, I’m sure a lot of Illini alumni love D-Will, but Karl Malone is one of the biggest pieces of trash ever, and their fans are borderline psychotic.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 10, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The Nuggs owner is a dirt bag.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 10, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It was Karl Malone's elbows
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
Lakers fans have something to gloat about, so not really
You know what it feels like to be a Nuggets or Jazz fan for the past 3 seasons, or the Bulls from 2005-2007.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I was rooting for da Bulls in the playoffs
And I wish their brilliant management and fans good luck in the lotto next year.
by southern oregon on Jul 9, 2009 11:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Brilliant management?
…
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
The Bulls are the most profitable NBA team,
so yes.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 9, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Just like Donald Sterling is brilliant, yes?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Same mentality as NY
Its cool to suck as long as you make money.
by southern oregon on Jul 10, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
how can a Bulls fan thats enjoyed
a gazzillion championships in a row be bitter toward a small town Blazer team that won a single ring? We haven’t won anything but the lottery in forever, and we’re getting hated on? I don’t even understand it.
I think you forgot the "pass" after "puff puff"
I am starting to feel that it is actually our own fault.
Nobody hates Spurs’ fans. Sure they want the spurs to fail, but that is just a sports rivalry where you want other teams to fail so your team wins. But I don’t think anybody, (well I won’t speak for Suns’ fans) hates Spurs’ fans. And personally, I feel that has to do with their attitude.
I think we have a very small town mentality about our team, and because it is the only pro sports enterprise in Portland we feel it is god’s greatest gift to mankind. And our recent upswing has ruffled feathers. As long as we win championships or are contending for a long time, I am ok with that kind of hatred (yes this is a reversal of my previous post on this topic, I have had some time to review what other blazer fans think and changed my opinion). I would rather be a fan of a successful team that is reviled, because at least I know that we are respected and feared. That is much better than being a lovable loser (like the Clippers, Lions and Cubs).
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
It's jsut because you're where we were two~three years ago
Look how that turned out!
…
Yay.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
no, i don't hate spurs fans
however i do hate the spurs now. :D and make fun of my sister cause she still likes them. ;)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
other blazers fans
This all seems pretty tongue and cheek as it ends with
Blazers fans, rest assured that I am rooting for this all to blow up in your franchise’s face so that you can start sniping at your players and eachother and be as miserable as I am as a Bulls fan!
At least that is how it seems to me
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I will talk about DeJuan Blair no more forever
by jonestr on Jul 10, 2009 1:49 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
you get an extended visa at BlogABull
exactly.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I think once either
The contracts become a mess for the Blazers (like the Bulls did) or Tyrus Thomas fully explodes or both, the Bulls fan “hatred” of the Blazers will simmer….
I actually loved your team back in the early 2000’s pre Jail Blazer eruption….
But there’s a bit too much praise (Similar to what Chicago got) going on your team right now, and until that turns into something to match the praise, I think we the still rebuilding Bulls are jealous…
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
Roy's agent
“we are frustrated a deal has not been reached.”
muahahahaha
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
I believe everything agents tell the press
Doesn’t everyone?
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"I'm pissed I haven't gotten my cut of a max contract yet"
Wouldn’t you be?
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 10, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
give him the max already.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
But that will hurt Aldridge's feelings!
Remember the Blazer have to pretend Aldridge is just as good as Roy so Aldridge doesn’t go into a funk. It was easy when they just had to have the same number of photos in the media guide or whatever, but not so easy when they actually have to assign dollar signs to each player. I don’t believe even Paul Allen wants to spend tens of millions of dollars to just satisfy Aldridge’s ego. Entropy is a definitely a powerful force in the NBA. Thing like Bulls dynasty and Jordan’s championships seem predestined now, but there were a lot of small things in the lead up to the 1st championship that could have derailed the whole thing.
I read that today on blazers edge
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/7/11/945656/an-analysis-of-todays-events-roy
But they can’t very well skip blithely into Brandon Roy’s arms, give him an instant max extension, hold a celebratory parade down Broadway, and then start playing hardball with Aldridge. That would look disrespectful and cheese everybody off. They have to at least fight with Roy if they’re going to fight with LaMarcus. The reality is they’re probably going to have to make both contracts equal but you can understand them wanting to split the difference in cost between the two players rather than automatically maxing them both.
That’s crazy. Is Aldridge that moody? They’re not on the same tier of player. It certainly is news to me that they have the same agent.
Is that why the Bulls felt they had to offer the same money to Gordon and Deng in Summer ‘07? Though they’re closer than Aldridge and Roy. Though how weird is it that when they did offer a difference in contracts to Gordon and Deng (which you can say was actually unfair) that it wasn’t the guy offered less who went in the funk.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard that they both got offered 5/50 at the time
But later I heard that the first extension was 5/50 for Gordon and 5/55 for Deng.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 11, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
you're correct
my mistake. So I’m not sure what the point of the comparison was then…I guess both turned them down and went in a funk that season.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting that BE referenced that today, I took it from an
article awhile back that was linked here that discussed all the things the Blazers front office did to manage Aldridge’s sensitive ego. Kudos for them paying attention to that kind of stuff, but it gets harder to fake equality when money is involved.
true
and Dave at BE is advocating using real money, which seems dangerous unless they’re going to give them both the max.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The agency of both has prepared a booklet that shows all his stats in comparisons to other top PFs
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/06/rip_city_revival_faith_keeps_l.html
The booklet was prepared by the Wasserman Media Group, the powerful agency for which Tellem works, and it no doubt will land on the desk of Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard. The booklet notes the average salary for a starting power forward not on his rookie contract is $13.4 million a year. It highlights that statistically, Aldridge ranks as the NBA’s sixth best power forward behind Pau Gasol, Bosh, Tim Duncan, Antawn Jamison and Dirk Nowitzki. Those players averaged $14.6 million last season. The statistics, charts and comparisons go on for about 50 pages, all of them centered around how much other players are making, and how Aldridge is just as good, if not better. The booklet is the product of an agency that has done its homework, and an indication that Aldridge’s representatives are ready to roll up their sleeves and fight for their client. Aldridge is quite pleased with the booklet, for it plays to his personality while stroking his sometimes fragile ego.
Now the market has been further made by the ridiculous contract extensions for Varejao and Bargnani. The Blazers can argue all day long they shouldn’t have gotten that much, it’s fairly easy for Aldridge’s agent to show he is at least as good and valuable to the Blazers and on the open market as other top PFs and much better than those two. So the best the Blazers can hope for is something in the middle between a max deal and 10 million per year.
As for his ego, by all accounts incl. the article linked above he fully accepts that Roy is the player carrying the team and deserves more than him, but he wants to feel included and respected. He is behaving like a pro, and isn’t suffering from an overblown self-image a la Amar’e “Black Jesus” Stoudemire. But he isn’t completely carefree either. He takes violations of trust very seriously and doesn’t forget those. That’s were things get a little tricky.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
I hope Tyrus and his agent don't find that book.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
He is not exactly an agent with a great set of clients
http://www.draftexpress.com/agents/Brian-Elfus-22/
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
Barry Zito's agent made a pamphlet comparing him to Sandy Koufax.
It was pretty big, too. Maybe not Koufax, but it favorably compared him to the best lefties of all time.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Ever since Boras started this book business, agents have been killing more trees
than a logging company. But, I’m sure it strokes the players’ egos and helps convince them that their agents are actually doing something for their 4%.
If Pritchard was smart he'd hire Skiles for a couple of days as negotiator
Scott could take LMA to Cheesecake Factory and intimidate him into 5 years 50.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 11, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If it comes to it, he says that he has no problem earning less than Roy, who has become one of his closest friends on the team.
“With Brandon, I don’t think it’s a question of whether he is going to get the max. He’s the go-to player. … It’s established that this is his team,” Aldridge said. “I’ve never had a thought that he wouldn’t get the max, so that hasn’t bothered me at all.”
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/06/rip_city_revival_faith_keeps_l.html
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 12, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess that sort of shuts down that issue.
I find it sort of odd that the Blazers only offered 4 years but still offered the max, and are, in fact, seeming to hold firm on it.
I mean, if they really think he’s worth the max, why does it matter what you’re paying for him 5 years from now. He’ll either be extended or on a new max deal and make pretty much the same thing.
If you don’t think he’s worth the max, the operative thing, I think, would be in paying him a lower than max level of salary in general. Why not offer him a deal starting at $11 or $12M/yr instead of the max?
Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, unless they think his knees are going to fall apart (which was rumored to be an issue). So maybe that’s it. But, again, if that’s the case, why make that max sort of offer? Why not trade him sooner?
Maybe portland...
is interested in taking a swing at Lebron?
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