Bulls signed Pargo for 1 year at $2 million (via YahooSports Twitter)
[From the FanShots. Remember, the Bulls are putting a stronger emphasis on defense this year! -ed.]
"Jannero Pargo has agreed to a one-year deal worth approx $2 million with the Chicago Bulls, a league source told Y! Sports."
So uninspiring. Really Bulls, you couldn't have waited out Von Wafer or Gerald Green or Rashad McCants for that money? I am so sick of this organization. In other news, goodbye Aaron Gray and Anthony Roberson.
On the plus side, it's only one year.
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meh
we could have done better, but as long as its one year, whatevs. it’s not like von wafer would have made a huge difference…..
and much younger, so there's still a chance he gets better. same with Green, McCants, etc.
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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 8, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
why is he much better? i dont think he is...
Pargo is a pure scorer who will provide a lift of the bench and replace some of those so called lost points from ben gordon leaving…..
Von Wafer? Hell no!
He took some of the worst shots I have ever seen in this years playoffs. There is a reason he hasn’t been signed.
I would MUCH rather have Wafer than Pargo
Wafer is young, more athletic and can light it up from time to time. He may take some bad shots, but didn’t we all just mourn the loss of Ben Gordon? He took some pretty bad shots too…
There were much better options than Jannero Pargo, this is just another “safe”, generic move by GarPaxDorf. I hate those guys.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 8, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Von Wafer
.390 on 3’s. His shots went in. Not that it matters, the Bulls didn’t even go through ‘process’ on this one.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 8, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Pargo was an inside man
Process unnecessary. :)
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 8, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately, we all know it's true.
Look how the Bulls hold on to Linton Johnson III.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
I know like
Wafer really didn’t do much for Houston during the playoffs…… %
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
for 1 year
i won’t kill them for it. i’d prefer Wafer or Mccants, but whatever. tired of bitching about everything they do…not that they give us much reason not to bitch.
Probably won't kill them
But it recreates the same dumbass situation they found themselves in last year where they were within a few thousand bucks of the luxury tax and had to scamble and sweat just to sign up a minimum salary guy when Kirk and later Deng got hurt.
it's looking like
Stackhouse will get bought out…why not just wait on that and sign him to the vets min for a year? He’s tall!
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
We are employing a one-legged SF.
Stackhouse is more than fair game.
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so u are gonna eat shit for this when he puts up 15-18/6-8 this year right?
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 8, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course not...
It will be much easier to conveniently forget I’m sure.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Jul 8, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't like Deng with his price tag.
I doubt that will change. He’d have to play better than his career year. And learn how to shoot the three. And stop vanishing in the 4th quarter. If he made 50 mil I could forgive those things, but Deng accepted a bigger role on the team than that. Thus he should accept bigger criticism.
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I agree with that. He sat beside John Paxson and said that he would lead the team.
Only to hear excuses in the season on how he had the “find his way” with Derrick Rose. Honestly I don’t think he will be a Bull past 2010, especially if Johnson comes in and plays well.
Sure, but if Johnson comes in and outplays him, than who on earth will take that contract?
(Isiah Thomas is not an NBA general manager anymore)
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
just wonder if any of these posers (i mean posters) have ever played sports themselves
why throw deng under the bus cuz he’s injured. no pattern to his injuries, he was tossed under the bus by bulls management already and then vindicated by second opinion and if you are a fan of the bulls wouldn’t you want to root for him
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 8, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup, I've played team and individual sports. Not sure where you were going with that.
Plenty of fans openly didn’t like BG while he was on the team. I think we’ve established a precedent for not liking players on your team. Deal with it.
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Just wondering, what the fuck does having played sports (or not) have to do with criticizing a professional basketball team?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
most people who have played sports realize that injuries happen
and that criticizing someone for getting hurt is kinda stupid. well…..at least a lot more stupid than criticizing a poor work ethic, making bad decisions, etc. also, i am pretty sure that when pax extended him he knew deng wasn’t the kind of vocal leader you are suggesting is req’d of a player with his contract. how can you fault deng for that?
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 8, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the comments you are referring to (which I didn't make)
were more to make a point, than to make fun. I’ll admit it’s pretty lame to make fun of a player for being injury prone, even though I know I’ve done it myself (out of frustration) several times. Most reasonable people would realize that it’s lame, but at times being a passionate fan for a team can make people say unreasonable things. Hardly something to get upset about.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
So, it's okay to rag on a guy if he's just not as smart as everyone else...
…but not if he’s just not as durable??? WTF?
Be hurt. Not okay to talk about.
Have an IQ of 80. Definitely okay to criticize.
WTF?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Technically
it doesnt matter if a guy has an iq of 80 or 150, so long as he is not boneheaded or dumb in terms of basketball….Also to an extent (meaning barring any genetic disorders that cause lack of intellegence) intellegence can be gained, if you lack intellegence, you can try to “learn” things and become to an extent intellegent over time. However if you suffer an injury, its not something that you can just easily repair or make up for…its completely out of your hand, and most of times the act of getting injured is also out of your hands…
so yea in dengs situation, its not his fault he is injury prone (you could blame the bulls award winning doctors a bit though) but to criticise a player who constantly makes boneheaded mistakes either on the court or in the media, i think thats a okay cuz its not that hard to learn how not to do those things….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
wow, this is not a good response.
First, I was simplifying it to an IQ to make the point relevant to most people here. Second, I find it absurd to think that anyone can just “learn” how to not make bad mistakes during a basketball game. One can learn things, obviously, but there are so many integrated factors: A) his attention span, B) his logical ability, C) his brain’s ability to process information quickly, D) his body’s ability to execute those decisions instantly, E) his spatial reasoning skills, F) his memory… I don’t want to think of more.
Seriously, though, you basically said it’s not that hard to learn how to play basketball really well. That’s such an absurd comment. Obviously, every player should work on these things because one doesn’t really know what their capacity is, but, I mean, this sounds smart, but it’s not. It’s the same as saying, “Aaron Gray could practice his footwork and getting faster, therefore, it’s okay to say it’s his fault for not being fast.”
Spectators of sports recognize that people have different natural physical abilities, but why do they not recognize that people have different natural mental abilities as well? Go back to Kirk-loving.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Holy bitchslap
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
wha... wha..... whaaaat.....
First, I was simplifying it to an IQ to make the point relevant to most people here.
okay so what was your original point, wasn’t this
So, it’s okay to rag on a guy if he’s just not as smart as everyone else… …but not if he’s just not as durable??? WTF?
to that i basically took your question, and said that indeed maybe it does make more sense to rag on a guy who is not as smart as everyone else (btw…you pretty much do it everyday dont you?) bq. but to criticise a player who constantly makes boneheaded mistakes either on the court or in the media, i think that’s a okay cuz its not that hard to learn how not to do those things….
And when did i say, hey its easy to learn the game of basketball…its not…but hey if you are in the nba guess what, YOU LEARNED THE FREAKIN GAME OF BASKETBALL, and if you havent yet….YOU LEARN IT…which was one of my major points….intellegence…any kind…can be learned….
Also to an extent (meaning barring any genetic disorders that cause lack of intelligence) intelligence can be gained, if you lack intelligence, you can try to "learn" things and become to an extent intelligent over time.
And yes it is aarons gray can practice his footwork, lose pounds, and indeed become faster, its not impossible…its just really really hard!!! Mind over matter, the body has allot more limitations than the mind, the mind has so much potential, unless you have some genetic mishap that prevents your mind from being properly utilized one can become smarter over time..
Spectators of sports recognize that people have different natural physical abilities, but why do they not recognize that people have different natural mental abilities as well?
umm if tyrus was shipped to iraq to a place where they dont speak english, within a year he would be speaking whatever the native dialect would be, this is true with the normal population of humans. Pro Basketball players live in a world of basketball, they have more resources than anyone else to get better in the game of basketball, whatever the learning abilities of a person, there are teachers and methods of teaching that can adapt to them. So a guy who lacks intelligence in basketball has the ability to still learn basketball, it may take him longer, but he can learn. So if a guy is making the same mistake he has been making for 3 years, then yea..as fans we have more right to call him an idiot than we have to call a guy who got injured or gets constantly injured.
Man you are like the master of ad-hominem….putting words in my mouth and bashing my player preference…indeed…
notice how i wrote, over time…meaning not right away, maybe a few years (im thinking…3 to learn the most basic stuff, but you never stop learning)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
We have people here that would be happy with deng getting 15 and 6?
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Unfortunately, yes
I’d be surprised if he can even put up those numbers on this team. So far he has not proven that he can be an above-average NBA player outside of Skiles’ motion offense being designed to get him good shots.
And yes I know he’s getting $71 million.
21/7
thats my expectation of deng for this year…a long with great defense (so what is that a real low drtg and positive numbers in apm?)…im pretty sure those things are worth 71 million….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I'm pretty sure those things won't happen either
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
That would be a first then. He wasn’t even sniffing that during his best year and it wasn’t like he was hurting for opportunities then either. Are you going to be disappointed when that doesn’t happen or will Deng dodge criticism for another year?
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i'd be dissapointed
:(
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I would cross my fingers and hold my eyes shut real tight ...
and hope for 18/10.
The rebounds going up, though, is what I’m looking for. I dunno how much evolution Deng has left in him scoring-wise, though he should OBVIOUSLY SHOOT THE THREE.
GAH.
CAPITAL LETTERS.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
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Deng is already an above average rebounder for a SF. It's the scoring and
the say it me now, efficiency that needs to go up. That entails shooting and making threes and getting to the line a bit more.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 8, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I know he's above average, that's why I thought it would be realistic.
That line of thought is pretty dumb though.
But … eh. Whatever. Something needs to go up.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
Whatever
At least we know what the roster will look like.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AomuePsCwVwsfBOVMXjXYwu8vLYF?slug=aw-bulls070809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
there’s your link.
Days of Our Bulls
Paxson: Wow, we lost Ben Gordon for nothing? Those contract dollars escalated pretty quickly….I was just starting my due diligence…..
Reinsdorf: I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
Gar: And we’re just the guys to do it!
by nateroth on Jul 8, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Dumbass Bulls fans: They're basically the same guy!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I love that thought...I've seen it posted several times now
I can’t fathom paying Pargo $2M. I mean, why? Why not just keep Roberson instead and get a slightly worse player (maybe). I mean, Pargo is what people think Ben Gordon was — a one-dimensional player.
It’s stupid frivolous moves like these that make it hard to make other moves. And also, everyone knows what Pargo is, why not waste a roster spot on someone unknown and see if you find the next Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 8, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Pargo is a 0-dimensional player.
He can come in for 10 minutes, miss a bunch of shots, and then … come out.
Sigh.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 8, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
pretty much...
I can’t wait for that to happen and see what the dumb folks who think he is the same as Ben have to say.
“But he’ll get 30 the next game!”
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
If we're using him as a backup PG/SG
playing 15-20mpg, I’m fine with it. He gives the Bulls what Derrick Rose lacks – defense and a 3pt shot – and I like that about the signing.
But for some reason I think VDN will always have him in when we’re down 3+ points in the 4th quarter, and that scares me.
Kirk and Pargo in the 4th quarter.
Deeeefence. Rose with his 1-on-1 skills and lack of defense is a big liability.
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by cranscape on Jul 8, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
isn't that the same rationale we use to employ Kirk Hinrich?
And Pargo for defense? Really? He jumps around a lot, but who does he stop?
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 8, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Ben G ...
Wait, no.
I’m pretty sure he stops whoever the kings PG is! Yeah! Beno Udrih, you’ve been shut DOWN.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
Pargo stinks at defense.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 8, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He isn't AI.
At least there is that.
I just can’t help thinking VDN will like him way too much.
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Should we be happier about
the player we’re bringing in or the length (or really, lack thereof) of his contract?
This is a classic Paxson/Reinsdorf move. Hard to argue against their thinking of wanting Pargo plus $23 million or whatever it is in the Chairman’s pockets instead of Ben Gordon.
Unless you are talking about trying to win games and build a good team, of course.
rejoice?
put that in ‘meh’ terms, and you got it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
You've already mentioned how we're all aware of how next year is pretty much a throw away year
It could have been much worse. So many other players come to mind, and much larger contracts as well.
I still don’t understand why Dwyer thought it would be for more
the reason we didn't go after more talented guys like Wafer or McCants
is because of the luxury tax. We are really, really close to it and we can’t afford to pay 1 million more for a player that is slightly better
That's what I thought. Those guys would've wanted (and deserved) more money and years.
One year and $2 million sounds good to me, and, if he plays the way he did for the Hornets a couple years back, I think it’ll be justified.
right
anything where we didn’t have to hand out a multi-year deal is fine with me
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 8, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
except he likely won't play that well. he's 30. oh, and he wasn't that good for the Hornets that year.
He scored 8 points per game on 8 shots. That’s awful. He doesn’t get to the line, isn’t as great a shooter as his reputation suggests, doesn’t rebound, can’t really dribble that well, and is a defensive sieve. He stunk then and given his age and how bad he played in Europe, he’s likely to stink worse this year.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 8, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't you say like 3 days ago that you'd be cool with Pargo as long as it was only 1 year?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
I did a little research on other options and on Pargo himself, and I'm less than pleased.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 8, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, my initial reaction was just the idea that Pargo could space the floor
and was a decent stopgap. Now that I look at it, he’s not even that great of a shooter (career 35.6% 3P shooter). He’s not a horrible signing, I just think there were better options, but if the Bulls honestly thought that those guys (McCants, Green, Wafer, etc.) would command more years or money, then I would be fine with Pargo. But Jannero Frickin’ Pargo was going to be there at the end of the summer.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 8, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The kind of bench Pargo was playing with in NOK was the reason he took 8 shots per game
The bench he’ll be playing with in Chicago will be much better.
I’m fine with him taking 8 shots though. I’m just hoping most of those are catch and shoots and not dribble step backs.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
it's not the 8 shots I care about. It's coming out with only 8 points off those shots. He's inefficient as all get out.
And he doesn’t do anything else.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 8, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He was generally taking wide open shots because Chris Paul was creating them
So I guess we’re gonna find out how close Derrick is to Paul
Wasn't he their backup PG
so Paul wasn’t on the floor when he was?
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
Yes, but they also played together frequently
Due to New Orleans having one of the worst SG rotations in the NBA.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I would like to see breakdown of Pargo's PT with and without Paul
It was my understanding that most of Pargo’s minutes were to rest Paul, run the point, and then close his stretch moving over to SG when Paul returned 4-6 minutes later.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
I'm not going to argue the merits of Pargo's game
because you’re right, he’s a hot-and-cold shooter who doesn’t excel at anything other than scoring when he’s hot. However, given the Bulls’ stinginess, I didn’t expect them to spend more than maybe $2.25 million on a FA. For one year and $2 million, we pay him a little more than Roberson and likely get a player who’s more useful (he can play limited minutes as a 1 or a 2, rather than Roberson playing limited minutes as a 2 only). Is it a great deal? No. But I’m okay with it.
Well, there's a couple things there
Sure, I’m happy they’re going to spend up to our meager spending expectations for them.
But really, did the decision have to be made this early, and on this particular guy?
Not saying that I know
but it is entirely possible that the decision did have to be made this early. Plus I think that they only had a couple days til Roberson’s contract was guaranteed, and they obviously didn’t want to (or could?) pay both guys.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
God... you're right!
… without acting immediately, we would have placed ourselves in the impossible position of entering the season without both Anthony Roberson and Janero Pargo!
by Sports2 on Jul 8, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A one year deal is what they were looking for.
The chances that Mccants or Wafer would sign a one year are pretty low.
cosign
Wafer deserves a multiyear deal the way he played as a late addition to the Rockets.
Not sure what happens with McCants.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Yeah but why not wait?
The way the market looks right now Wafer or McCants might have to settle for not much more… which would make us look even stupider than we already do.
Of these players
Von Wafer or Gerald Green or Rashad McCants
Which of them will sign for 1year/2 million?
neither of them have received any interest, so they'd probably bite
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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 8, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
that's what I was thinking
I don’t think McCants gets signed for anything more than one year given his propensity for being, you know, straight up daffy.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 8, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
My only surprise...
Is that they made this move so early…I tend to agree with Sam Smith, there will be a lot of guys toward the end of Summer still looking for a job in the NBA, why not grab someone then rather than committing to Pargo now…unless, uh, they targeted Pargo.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
As we know from the draft
they are pretty good at getting their guy when their guy is completely forgettable and there isn’t any competition.
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by cranscape on Jul 8, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right!
1) Target mediocre player, low ceiling.
2) Get the player you were targeting, cause… um… no one else was.
3) Tell everybody you got exactly who you wanted. Smile!
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 8, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
"We were surprised he's available!"
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so."
Welcome back pargo
rule 1: Give the ball to rose, set a pick, get the fk outta the way
rule 2: defense, defense, defense
rule 3: comb Vinny’s hair
rule 4: revert to rule 1, if all else fails
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
Smart move!
Look people Pargo can plan and so can his brother. But he fills a great need off the bench for one year. He can shoot and sticks great D. So good pickup, and did I see Sean McCants and Von Wafers name in this blog? Are you people nuts! Those dudes are terrible. And as far as D-Roses defence is concerned, the dude was a fucking rookie people. His upside is incredible. Havent you seen his work out video? He’s a gym rat. He has the work ethic of a pit bull. The fact that we got rid of Gordan will be benefitial to Rose’s developement. It also means we will have a more team oreintated offence instead of not playing within the offence and jacking up wild shots. My man Rose will be fine, jeeze, have more faith in our superstar people. Gordon is not and never will be an all-star in this league by the way!
by PeppEazy on Jul 8, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Stupid move. As usual
Here’s another option. The Bulls have a $1.7M trade exception that they now can’t use. That would have been a better alternative use of that $2M than Pargo, because they might have been able to snatch up an actual young first round talent from some team in financial trouble.
Sean McCants?... Paging Sean McCants....
WHO?
by yetti on Jul 8, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
McCants and Von Wafer, while not being great players,
are still better than Pargo.
Also, getting rid of Gordon’s not going to make our offensive game plan magically appear when it seems to not exist.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
In a weird way it's almost better that Pargo is worse than them
Pargo will come into the situation knowing his role and his limitations. Both of the players you mentioned are gonna come in trying to prove something, especially if they get as crappy a contract(s) as I think they will.
And there is no doubt in my mind, that, at some point next year they would do it to the detriment of the team. Plus, even if they are better than Pargo, they’re not good enough to consider as a starting two guard going forward, so really what does it matter?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's true.
I’m still really irritated at losing Gordon.
I think we could’ve gotten Pargo for less: I think that we could’ve picked up some good player from the D-League that would work OK and cost less, too. After whining about the tax, we shouldn’t be so close to it. If Gray accepts the QO right now, we just have to cut everybody to stay under the tax, right, and we’ll have … what, 12 players under contract, and only 11 of them will play? That’s not too many end-of-bench guys …
The main problems that I thought of after my post, though, have a lot more to do with attitude problems, which both Wafer and McCants have.
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I don't understand why some Bulls fans preferred Von Wafer over Pargo.
1st – Jannero is listed at 6’1" although that’s debatable, while Wafer is 6’ 5"
Almost everyone knows that shorter guys are quicker than taller guys.
2nd) Pargo weighs 175 lbs and Wafer hits the scales at 215.
That’s 40 extra pounds to lug around the court. Again lighter is usually quicker..think Aaron Gray.
3rd) Pargo is 29 and Von Wafer is only 23.
6 more years of experience add up to 6 more years of veteran savvy.
When comparing Pargo’s last NBA season at New Orleans against VonWafter’s last season we see some glaring statistics.
Wafer shot .447 from the field and .converted 39% of his 3’s. Pargo’s stats read .390 FG and .349.from the arc.
This means that Wafer’s substanitally superior shooting skills would likely result in him wanting to take more shorts, thus depriving teamates like John Salmons more opportunities to score which could create friction among his peers and Coach Vinny who has likely decided that the fishman will be his go-to guy now that Gordon is no longer available to run one of his finely tuned 2 4th quarter options..
VonWafer made $797,000 last year and Jannero will be paid $2 million by the Bulls.
There must be some very valid reasons he will be paid more than twice as much as the inexperienced young tall dude, especially when we factor in the Reinsdork Rules..
VonWafer did have more rebounds and blocks but on the negative side he comitted only 2/3 the amount of personal fouls (due to being less aggressivene or just lazy?) and had 20% less turnovers than Pargo (less touches, maybe because they don’t trust his ball handling, just maybe?)
Finally, I think what really sealed the deal for the Paxdorker’s was Pargo’s FT skills, 87% to only 75% for the other guy although Wafer went to line over 40% more times, but what good is it if you’re going to miss it every 4th attempt?
I apologize for so quickly jumping on Bulls management to assume they made another one of their rock-headed decisions. The facts obviously speak for themselves. When Vinny employs his 4 guard rotations this year during crunch time, we can all celebrate that shorter is better, that small beats tall and the inmates continue to run the asylum..
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by Tyrusmancrush on Jul 8, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
Not to mention
Pargo spent a year in Europe and is therefore more cultured.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 8, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He probably lured them with European chocolate.
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Jokes on Pargo
Sign and trade with Dynamo Moscow. We’re getting some fur hats in return. Mink.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 8, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
At least he spent a lot of time buying a new suit, and impersonating Kobe
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/2009/04/jannero-pargo-does-impression-of-kobe.jsp
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
That was awesome.
For my true fans, I feel bad for them. The longtime fans of the Chicago Bulls – I just felt like they’re being cheated. Not with me, but just things that happened in the past. I feel like the fans deserve a lot better. - BG7
I know this is a Bulls blog, where small signings like this one
are discussed and ridiculed just as much as a huge signing or a draft pick, but in this case I guess I don’t get what all the fuss is about. Particularly for anyone that really hates this signing. It’s such a minor deal and it’s only one year.
We all know they weren’t going to get anyone better to fill that role, unless of course you think Rashad Mccants or Von Wafer would be better options, in which case I disagree because they both rate 10/10 on the Knucklehead scale. So they bring in a guy who we know will be more than qualified to be a fourth guard on almost any team. I really don’t see any downside.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
It's a small move, but it's emblematic of the stupidity of the organization
At least, that’s why I think it’s worth commenting on….
by hitlesswonder on Jul 8, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus he becomes guard number 3
real quick if Hinrich, Rose, Salmons or Deng get injured. Which happens. Below average couldn’t cut it in Europe playing 25 mins a game.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 8, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, but you can say that about any fourth guard
teams don’t have superstar players at those spots “just in case…”. I mean, if we lose Rose like you specified above we’re probably screwed anyway, it’s not like signing Von Wafer would have changed anything.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I just want the 4th guard to be
a serious NBA player and not a European bench player, “just in case”. And if its D Rose that gets injured, skip to 2010.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 8, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I just disagree that it's emblematic
They needed another guard, so they signed one who’s halfway decent (for that role) and they got him on a very team friendly contract. I think the move that really was emblematic was the one where they let our leading scorer over the last five years go for nothing.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Wafer is better, but didn't he bitch about playing time with the Rockets last year?
Don’t think he’d be happy being the 4th guard on a mediocre team. And McCants is a bonehead. This isn’t really that big of a deal, really.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
What's the deal with 5 teams regarding Wafer?
Never got a chance, never deserved one, malcontent, constant trade filler?
He was surprising for the Rockets down the stretch and especially in the playoffs.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Yea, his own team made him leave the bench in the fourth quarter of a playoff game
because he was bitching too much about not being out there. Apparently because he wanted to showcase himself for the new contract he was seeking. I’ll pass.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
The last thing this team needs is a malcontent
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
This season will depend on Deng returning to form
Derrick and Tyrus improving their games and improving team defense. Salmons will be Salmons and Noah will be Noah. Since the Bulls signed Pargo I think that Kirk might be a goner soon. Then again you never know when it comes 2 Pax.
Homecoming
Now that Ive finally gotten over the complete botching of signing our short ass best player
Im not going to whine about how the bulls are cheap and how Reinsdorf rolls his blunts with hundred dollar bills…Im going to do what any former fan of a team since childhood would do when the owner wipes his ass with any real plan of getting a real baller in chicago..Im taking $400 next pay period and gettin me a ps3 and buy nba live and trade all these sorry ass players so I can win a title before I die. Im still confused how you vastly over pay deng hinrich and noch but let gordon walk for nothing
by drakedog on Jul 8, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
We've waited eleven years so far for the Bulls to return to form.
I’m sure we can all tough it out for one more year. The only thing i’m interested in this season is:
1.) Watching Rose and the two rookies develope.(especially Johnson.)
2.)Those games against the Pistons.
3.)Attending the Bulls-Cavs game. (Curious to see this Lebron-Shaq combo in person.)
Beyond all that i’m sleeping through the upcoming season.
ROSE LEBRON BOSH CHICAGO BULLS 2011 CHAMPS!! BOW DOWN!!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 8, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you ready for !!!!!
Rose-Joe Johnson-Deng-Random D-League guy-Noah
We’re gonna win 45 games!
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Hughes and Wallace 2010
Jerry Reinsdorf: Where bidding $148 Million on a bankrupt hockey team happens, but not re-signing your best basketball player happens.
by chibullsfan03 on Jul 8, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone has said this
but yes, didn’t we let a winner like Pargo go once already? We’ve taken Pargo around the block and back. I really don’t expect him doing any better than he did then and likely he’ll do worse seeing how he’s been off in Europe doing nothing against non-NBA teams. Which is why it is a struggle to get excited. It’s like if we got Othella Harrington back. Woo-hoo. We know how this story goes.
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seriously it disappoints me as much, if not maybe more
than when we resigned adrian griffin. i said WTF to that and WTF to this.
i cringed every time pargo played. i was so happy when we got rid of him, but alas he’s back. next we’ll be trying to bring back duhon or something.
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he was the opposite of the human victory cigar
it was ‘Pargo time’ whenever the Bulls were fucked that game and were just trying for a hail mary.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think this was a move that was made in order to "excite" the fanbase.
Just a basic roster addition, made out of necessity, that probably came at the worst possible time for Bulls management because a majority of the fans are just looking for things to give them shit about, and now they have something.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Get a younger guy
who has a chance at being better than expected or in the very least has a reason to play hard. Or (shocker) draft a guard with one of our picks when we had the chance. The draft was loaded with guards so likely we could get a half decent one even with a later pick. Signing Pargo is like taking your cousin to the prom.
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Lol, nice analogy
Yea, I can understand being upset that they didn’t grab a guy like Ellington especially since the guy they took with the 26th pick appears to just be a cookie cutter big man. But looking at what is currently on the market, I’m fine with Pargo for a year.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 8, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls are holding us hostage.
They can do pretty much whatever they want to us and we have to be fine with it or stop being a fan. Which isn’t a choice for most of us being born into it and all.
I am thinking about going up to watch them play the Bucks instead of going to the UC this season. I can get closer seats and the money isn’t going to JR. I might be able to sleep better at night too.
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WHO ELSE IS GETTING PUMPED FOR NEXT YEAR?
Pargo? Better change your name to reflect your effectiveness, Par-wow.
PUMPED FOR NEXT YEAR! I AM!
Because looking over their roster (coach included!) and the other Eastern Conference teams, I think the Bulls are probably going to miss the playoffs. This is not a good team and it will take just one bad outcome (Salmons 3pt shooting being bad or Deng being bad/injured) to get them to a fairly high pick. And if things go badly quickly, there’s a chance VDN gets canned and Kirk gets traded. The downside is that no truly decent FA will want to come to this moribund team, but even with a good season I think that’s unlikely.
So, I’m pumped because the Bulls might have a chance to acquire a very good player to pair with Rose in the draft. Honestly, drafting someone good is the most likely way to pair Rose with talent, much more likely than Bosh coming to the Bulls.
You know, I’d rather hope that the Bulls were good this year and VDN turns out to be a good coach, and I blame the Bulls management for making believe those would foolish and ultimately defeating things to hope for…
new pargo post is up
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