Official Salary Cap and Luxury Tax figures for your Chicago Bulls
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 7, 2009 10:45 PM CDT
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PrintThe NBA salary cap has been set for next season at $57.7 million, a decline from 2008-09, allowing teams to begin signing players.
The figure the league announced Tuesday night was about $1 million less than last season's cap of $58.68 million, even though league-wide revenue rose 2.5 percent. The number is expected to drop further next season when the full effect of the economic difficulties hit.
The new salary cap went into effect at 12:01 a.m. EDT on Wednesday, ending the NBA's moratorium period and allowing free agents to sign deals with teams.
The luxury tax level also dropped to $69.92 million. Any team whose salary exceeds that will have to pay $1 for every $1 it goes over.
(emphasis mine, and emphasis of the Bulls franchise)
I'll just copy the work of RealGM poster Tommy Udo 6, who figured how close the Bulls actually are to the tax threshold:
Signed:
Brad Miller – $12,250,000
Luol Deng - $10,365,000
Kirk Hinrich - $9,500,000
Jerome James – $ 6,600,000
Tim Thomas – $6,466,600
John Salmons - $6,429,151
Derrick Rose - $5,184,480
Tyrus Thomas – $4,743,598
Joakim Noah – $2,445,680
TOTAL for 9 players above = $63,984,509To be Signed:
James Johnson - $1,594,080 (120% of rookie scale)
Taj Gibson - $1,039,800 (120% of rookie scale)
Aaron Gray – $1,000,497 (Qualifying Offer)
Anthony Roberson – $855,189 (Unguaranteed; Guaranteed date: July 10)
DeMarcus Nelson - $736,420 (Unguaranteed)TOTAL for 14 players above = $69,210,495
So yeah, it's very close.
A couple things to add:
- They have to carry at least 13 players on the roster
- The reason the rookie's deals are 120% of the rookie scale (instead of simply the scale amount) is because that's the maximum they can sign for, and teams universally decide to do so.
- It'll be a good indication as to whether Roberson's staying on the roster if he's on the Summer League roster.
- I do not know why the Bulls extended that Qualifying Offer to Aaron Gray. They can still recind it, though I'm not quite sure what kind of dance must be done in terms of the player taking the qualifying offer before the team pulls it. Maybe Reinsdorf can arbitrarily pull the offer like he did with the extension to Ben Gordon last summer?
- I tried to not mention Gordon, sorry. The release of these figures means he can officially become a Piston now, by the way.
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He's a big guy. That kind of money is sorta expected
for big guys who can play. And he can. He’s just old and routinely used until the he’s walking dead by Vinny.
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That's too close for JR's comfort
If the rumors about adding Pargo are true, that means waiving Nelson and Roberson so the Bulls can sign him without paying the tax.
However……why the hell did they make the QO to Aaron Gray? This makes no sense for such a tax-averse team. An extra million dollars in wiggle room could go a long way in terms of a potential blockbuster trade come February, or signing a FA that isn’t Jannero Pargo (say Marquis Daniels to a 1 year deal).
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
I don't know...
I know how upset people around here get about losing players for “nothing”. This way, the Bulls can match any offer Gray receives.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Except when they actually are 'worthless' players that can be easily replaced with people from the D-League or whatnot at the minimum.
i.e. Roberson.
Gray’s … a good cheerleader. He is also large, though that seems not to translate to basketball skills.
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Um, yes you do
I do not know why the Bulls extended that Qualifying Offer to Aaron Gray.
Matchups!!!!!!!!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Maybe he's a chip in a trade that's being contemplated?
We can only hope.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
Yes.
Because every team in the league is salivating at the prospect of putting the Human Victory Cigar, aka Beardy McHotpants, in their uniform. Mmmm-hmmm.
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
Of course, I meant included as trade filler.
Although I salute your characterization of Mr. Gray! :)
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
Broadcasting futures!
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 8, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought we had some space under the cap
I was obviously mistaken. I never really disagreed before, but this team really does suck. We have no flexibility and a bunch of bad players. I keep hearing some people say that we will be better but I don’t see how. I really lost alot of hope for this team in thelast month.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
And I must say,
that roster looks pretty shitty on paper without Gordon. To be that close to the luxury tax and have such a weak roster?How depressing.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 7, 2009 10:57 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I couldn't agree more
Take a look at Portland’s contracts here
It’s okay… you can drool.
If you want we can take Hinirch off your hands for cheap to save ya some space =)
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 7, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
there are on rookie deals
and there talent so overrated! They need Kirk to really get over the hump!!
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 8, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Well that's the beauty of rebuilding through the draft
That said, I’m not sure which ones are over-rated. By us Blazer fans, they are, but I’m not sure who else.
Also, they won 54 in the west, so that’s something, right? Not saying the Blazers are perfect, but I’m not sure saying they’re all over-rated is accurate.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
Yep, the team that's paying Darius Miles 9 million dollars
Because they employ the worst medical staff in the NBA, then go on to bitch at the rest of the league.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Completely agree
the Darius thing was ABSOLUTELY ridiculous.
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 8, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
And he played how much after he got back on PDX's books?
The Docs weren’t lying. That dude’s career IS over. Were they giving him a shot? Seriously? A shot would mean you keep playing him until he gets back into playing shape. They never gave him a chance. He was there for one reason.
Maybe Miller came off snippety and you warm and fuzzy bulls fans got offended, but they were spot on about Memphis trying to screw em. That’s what happened.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
Yeah, they screwed us real hard...
Imagine the damage we could do with 16.7m in open cap space. Too bad for us i guess
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 8, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The roster looks better without Gordon...
The Bulls will be a better defensive team, and will have better ball movement without that chucker stopping ball movement as he goes one on one look for his own shot…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
coach Norman Dale approves.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
5 passes before a shot!
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
maybe
but it felt really satisfying watching the teamwork, didn’t it?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Salmons is off the team then?
And I never want to see Deng’s list of deficiencies to include no one-on-one or create your own shot skills. Because despite that being an asset on every other team in the league, on the Bulls is it very very naughty. Hopefully Rose won’t do any of those selfish things. He already is blacklisted because of his lack of defense.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
What makes you think they'll be better defensively?
The coaching?
BG was a prominent part of one of the best defensive teams in the NBA for three years. I don’t think they became a bad defensive team last year because of Ben Gordon.
Sigh
Perhaps, but if he was a weak link and the overall result was still an outstanding defense 3 years in a row, he’s not that weak.
If we want to understand what’s really going on with defense, and what makes teams good or bad defensively, this sort of fact should really tell us that defense should be a (very) secondary consideration with perimeter players and (very) primary consideration with frontcourt players.
Give me two big min who are:
1. Strong enough to not get pushed around
2. Really understands team defense
3. Rebound well
and a coach who has half a clue
and you have a defense you can win a championship with as long as your perimeter guys are even remotely on the right page.
Defensively we’ve fallen apart over the last two years because we lost a coach with half a clue defensively and we our bigs stopped fitting those criteria.
Going forward, we’ve got one guy, Noah, who can fit that criteria if he gets stronger, and Miller, who I don’t think is a defensive player in the mold of PJ Brown or AD, but is at least competent.
With those two guys up front, we can be a solid defensive team if properly coached.
Yep, especially about the coach
Coaching is a big part of team defense, pace of play is another, turnovers, rebounding…..it all matters much more than the relative merits of an individual player like Ben Gordon on defense.
A good system would hide his on-ball defense deficiencies. I think 82games.com once had him as one of the best defenders in the NBA just based on his numbers. Anyone who watched the games knew that wasn’t the case, but the Bulls team defense was excellent and he was on the floor a lot.
I know D2.0 likes to be a crap stirrer, but I don’t see any basis to state that the Bulls will be a better defensive team now that Gordon is gone and Vinny is still here.
Also, from the new figures the tax paying teams figure to be
Hornets
Lakers
Wizards
Celtics
Jazz
Spurs
Mavericks
Knicks
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
You get that from
BE?
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/7/7/941432/new-salary-cap-numbers-portlands#17919104
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
I looked at the spreadsheet link the OP posted, and just eyeballed with the figure
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
So our potential trading partners are the Hornets, Wizards, Jazz, and Knicks
Who do we want from those teams?
How do you figure they're "potential trading partners?" Because they'll want to shed salary? That means the Bulls take salary.
You can see they’re too close for that. The Bulls will be trying to take back the same or less money in any trade.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
in the brief time I’ve seen Roberson play, I thought he reminded me of Pagro, it’ll be interesting to see how he plays in the Summer League
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jul 7, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions
agreed
we really have no need for Pargo. What’s the point of adding a piece if your going to be a first round exit anyways?
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 7, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a piece
The question is, of what …
Only team that needs him is NO.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
if we could get pargo for one year, i'm all for it
but anything that is multiyear would suck for us, there are a zillion pargos in the world and in fact we got one in roberson. What if the Bulls could get Nate Robinson for the midlevel?
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 7, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If they could get Nate Robinson for MLE
It would cost them nearly $10M next season, as they would have to pay a dollar for dollar tax on his salary above the luxury tax threshold…is Nate worth $10M in your eyes…that is more than BG will cost the Pistons.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
By the way
NO is New Orleans, not ‘no’. :P
Just in case it was at confusing at all.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
If you get that far
lots of other teams got better. We got worse.
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
The Bulls only have 3 guards with NBA experience...
So, we could use a player like Pargo…(or McCants, Bellinelli, Watson, etc…)especially if we do not guarantee the contracts of Robersen or Nelson.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Not really
Pargo is instant offense off the bench. Was it Tex Winter that really liked him and wanted the Lakers to try and keep him?
Roberson is just going to run the offense for you and keep you out of the full court traps. Pargo will score as soon as he enters the game. He can’t resist shooting and he has the green light.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 8, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Jerome James in the last year of his contract?
Who else is in the last year? Miller, Tim Thomas, Salmons, maybe others???
salmons has a player option
Jerome James is also expiring
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 7, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
alright
no point of giving him a new deal, unless he proves otherwise.
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 7, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
except for the whole
we used the #2 pick in the draft to get him thing.
Why?
Why resign him only because he was drafted so high? Would you have resigned Darko too?
Because giving a "very raw" player only 4 years to develop when, as an organization....
….you state that he is very raw and needs time to develop when you draft him. If you don’t re-sign him and give up after four years, you’re an idiot.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
They drafted a short, elite shooter
and then spent five years complaining about how short he is and how many shots he takes and let him go for nothing. I’d say Tyrus has a road map for the rest of his time with the Bulls.
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by cranscape on Jul 8, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Gordon was a #3 pick
precedent for future lowball offers to Thomas.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Gordon was not lowballed...
Especially considering the contract he signed with Detroit is worth only $1M more than the contract offered by the Bulls…while I acknowledge that $1M is a lot of money, in the scope of the transaction its about 2%…certainly not what I would consider lowballing…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
But he didn't take either of the offers
like a good soldier (ala Hinrich and Deng) and had to be banished. Otherwise, the owners felt they would be losing control.
Problem was, Gordon played his butt off and ended up getting more money elsewhere. So THAT’S now what the other players will see and perhaps follow his model rather than Hinrich and Deng’s.
Not only did we lose Gordon, he set the precedent for bucking the system!
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
actually he lost money
had he signed that extension with the bulls 2 years ago for a little less than he got with the pistons he would have had time to sign another lucrative contract after that one expired but thats not gonna happen now……he will be too old in 5 years….
He lost some money I guess
and the team didn’t even get a bag of peanuts for a #3 pick!
Hard to think of them in serious terms any longer…
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
that seems like a lot for Jannero Pargo
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he's their best player
Yes. Even going forward he has value in a trade with a team that needs a scorer and is closer to competing for a title.
I trust Derrick Rose will get paid...
Regardless of the Bulls’ cap situation when its time.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Derrick will walk..just like Paxson's other high draft picks (#3 (Gordon), #2 (Tyrus) and #1 (Derrick))
John Paxson’s Hat trick
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 8, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No. No. No. Derrick Rose is not Ben Gordon nor is he Tyrus Thomas.
Derrick Rose is not going anywhere. If such a move was made the Bulls would never recover…the fans would revolt.
OMG people!
Get over BG already…he’s a hated Piston now…take down his poster from above your bed and move on with your life.
BG wanted as much money as possible…I don’t blame him either…this is a business. He played his cards and got a bit more from Detroit…good for him.
Please stop living in the past…it is what it is…what can the Bulls do now to get better?
"Please stop living in the past…it is what it is"
The future is what it is too, as far as what we can do about it. So I see no difference between speculation on the future and whining about the past.
It’s only been a week. There’s still PLENTY of time left to hash over BG leaving. (yay!)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
BOO
how do i give a comment the opposite of a rec? like a thumbs down or something??
by iamsasquatch on Jul 8, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
ditto.
it is so frustrating that the only place to chat about he bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG. I get that he was fun to watch and one of the Bulls best players in a decade, but re-signing him wouldn’t have helped the Bulls as much as people are assuming, IMO.
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 8, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Assumptions...
but re-signing him wouldn’t have helped the Bulls as much as people are assuming, IMO.
are that even if on the team, he’s valuable in a trade if they don’t want his services. Losing him for absolutely nothing in return is what people are pissed about.
The fact that he could help the team is a factor, but to set a precedent in the mind of potential FAs that you don’t want to pay your ‘best contributing’ player is bad.
I have the fire and the passion.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and everyone loves it....
it’s when you suspend logic and whine endlessly that people get frustrated. or is it just me?
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 8, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm keeping score...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
love it
and don’t let the fie fade or the passion die. some of us are laid-off and need someone to argue with all day when not applying for jobs
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 8, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Can you shoot?
Bulls need a cheap SG.
Wait, are you cheap?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 8, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i have a great jumper
but i’m not a superior athlete, can’t play defense, not great court vision or passing ability, undersized, sound familiar. wait, i actually really like BG. i am so sick of trying to add some perspective to the one place i know of to chat about the bulls
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 8, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
endlessly?
it’s been a week. And that week is in the past, man! don’t worry about it!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
No the future isn't what it is...
the future can be anything the past is what it is…it can’t change.
“It’s only been a week. There’s still PLENTY of time left to hash over BG leaving. (yay!)”
Well, do what you do best.
your future looks dim
since you can’t discern I’m referring to what WE can change about the Bulls. Which, future, or past, is nothing. Just bloggin’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
you're right but
whining is whining. get tired of it quickly…..
by iamsasquatch on Jul 8, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
How is this whining that bad?
Last time I checked, everyone bitches about everything on this site.
“Deng sucks, Hinrich sucks, Tyrus sucks, Gordon sucks, Vinny sucks, Jerry sucks, Chicago sucks, you suck, your mom sucks.”
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
indeed
I think all whining is good, except the meta-whining.
(Is this double-meta whining?)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish people would stop whining about you whining about Gordon!
Ugh!
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
yeah but continuously without talking about anything else?
i’m not a fan of that……but maybe it’s cause i wasnt a fan of BG
by iamsasquatch on Jul 8, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
what else is there to talk about?
the only possible “goal” (other than a license to print money) the team could have is to wait for next summer, so what should we do, just suspend this blog until then?
We could discuss deflation
and how hard that will be to explain to players negotiating lesser contracts that might actually allow them to keep more of their money.
Hookers and blow sounds better though.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 8, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
wait.....
that is exactly what’s wrong with this site and why (some) people get turned off. you don’t have to be a whiner to be a fan of the bulls do you?
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 8, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Start your own blog?
You don’t like something, you make a better product. It’s kind of like being an American.
So quit meta-whining and do something about it.
In the words of Clay Davis, “Sheeeeeeeeeet.”
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I am aware "WE" don't control the Bulls future...
but bitching about him leaving isn’t bringing him back either. Our approach to what we like to blog about is different.
You seem to like to complain/blog about what could have been…I prefer to blog about what could be.
that's inspiring stuff.
I was talking about ‘what could be’ a year ago when saying the Bulls were screwing themselves by letting Gordon take the QO.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
basically, look to the past and learn
this BG thing makes it harder to trust they know what they’re doing in the future, or to believe what they tell us.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
You do realize...
the Bulls made BG very good offers the past two seasons. He waited…other Bulls accepted offers and then the Bulls ran out of cap space. Would you go $10m over the cap to sign BG?
Those offers were in the past
I no longer acknowledge them.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Would you go right up to the cap line to sign Luol Deng to a $13M contract yearly?
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
Wow good for you...
I remember you blogging last year that if BG left you’d stop watching the Bulls…does that still hold true?
I hope so.
uh, I doubt I said it. Or meant it.
and if I don’t watch you get no blog. Shit man, go to another site already if it’s so awful here. Or, better idea: write your own ‘why I’m excited about the future’ fanpost.
Why do ‘positive thinkers’ always sound like such losers?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow...
I think I actually got you a bit upset. I love everything about this site besides the constant BG love and whinning he’s gone.
You do a great job with everything else but you set a really negative tone with this “I hate Kurt, I love BG” thing you’ve got going on. And since your the man in here it sets a bad tone.
I’ve been to other team sites and there seems to be a more positive approach to sharing ideas that I wish was more prevalent here.
by ronmexibull on Jul 8, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
calmer than you are, dude.
and all ideas aren’t created equal.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
how so
I’m not the one calling you a “loser”
So how are you calmer?
by ronmexibull on Jul 8, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
if your upset that I value BG over Kurt
that’s one thing.
We got into this because you are mad I’m talking about (a week into) the past. That’s lame.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
*you're
I suck!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
No...
myself and I’m sure others are just tired of almost everything you post having to have some sort of “the Bulls are retarded for not signing BG” thing in it.
It’s just annoying already. And please don’t act like it’s only been discussed for a week. It had been discussed way up to the time BG signed with the Pistons…which is okay…but after he did it doesn’t need to still come up in everything you do.
by ronmexibull on Jul 8, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can
a) Go somewhere else. There are other Bulls sites out there. Some with a lot of people like you already there.
b) Post your own “positive” “BG free” threads and stop coming to these.
c) Be a hypocrite and continue to complain about other people complaining as well as tell everyone when they can and cannot talk about BG and or the Bulls going to the crapper. Best of luck with that one.
d) Start your own online community and populate it with sock puppets.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
That was in the TT Twitter thread!
or the Bulls going to the crapper.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 8, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The man has a way with words.
Must be picking up some French from Noah.
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I hate how we're always talking about...
Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. That was so long ago! Gordon was one of the best players in Bulls history, we’re going to be talking about him for a long time. We’re all going to know exactly how many points he’s scoring next season looking for that magical “I told you so” satisfaction.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 8, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
uh, no?
I’ll save you the time: neither having or not having Ben Gordon got the Bulls or the Pistons to the championship.
Even if the Pistons are terrible next year, it doesn’t mean the Bulls would’ve been worse with Gordon.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls would have been better with BG
but I still think they’ll finish with a better record than the Pistons next season. I liked BG alot, but he’s not worth $11 million per year. Just because “The Great” Joe Dumars paid him (or, more accurately, will pay him) that much over 5 years doesn’t mean that BG’s ever going to be a starting SG on a championship-caliber team. BG is most definitely a “championship-caliber 6th man”, but no reserve is worth $11/per.
So, um, why not sign Gordon...
…ship his over-paid back-up out, then get a championship SG and not care about paying $11 million to a back-up because he’s “championship-caliber” as a 6th man and the Bulls are winning championships. And they’ll be fun to watch in the meantime.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
If we are playing
who’s bigger with the Pistons we’ve already lost the battle. Just the fact that is the range we are in at this point shows how off track we are. Why not add the Bucks to the list too. We’ll need to dig deep to beat our former coach.
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What "range"?
Your estimation? The Bulls will definitely finish ahead of Detroit (no defense or size) and Milwaukee (rebuilding). We have yet to see how all this will play out over next season.
That’s not to say we’re not rebuilding or play great defense, but I just think the Bulls’ talent level is higher than those two teams.
What else are we going to talk about?
It’s preseason! NOTHING IS HAPPENING.
Oh, except that we lost our best scorer.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
I know...
They really should have traded him to New Orleans when they had the chance…BG signing the QO was in all regards a disaster…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
BOOM
our forces are getting stronger: big fork, me, and now the mexibull!!! yessss
by iamsasquatch on Jul 8, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
It's yfBB site...
he can do as he pleases with it. I personally would like it to not have such a “bitchy, whinny” tone most of the time. If being positive and not bitching about everything adnauseum makes me a “loser” than I guess I’m a loser. At least in Matt’s eyes.
I’m very okay with that.
all youve done is whine about the whining
ive yet to see one positive thing you’ve contributed on this thread
you may think so
but can never defeat the ultimate supreme powers of yfBB, sports, cram and the greatest repetitive multi-comment poster known to man woman or beast majoyenrac as many as you number or as strong your logic and pure of heart your fan-nature their ways are incontestable your effort is futile so it is best to concede whining losers to the winners DOOM
Detroit? - "I want them to be better than the Bulls
higher draft pick, Vinny to be fired. 2010!!!!!"
It's also fun to predict what certain people will post
Because people disagree with one another.
Or, how certain people are contradictory to the consensus thought of every thread just be dipshits.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
christ. whining about whining
that’s skill!!!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I was simply responding to a post.
As are you. Don’t jump on me for a response. Cycle up to the individual that brought up the subject and jump down their throat.
"what can the Bulls do now to get better?"
Basically nothing short of firing John Paxson, Gar Foreman and everyone else in the front office!
man up!
So JR can hire new "yes men"?
JR is the problem, not Paxson.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 8, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
OMG 18%!?!?
Well that changes everything.
And he’s small! He can practically fit in your pocket!!!
And he’s one-dimensional! Craig Hodges could do the same!!!
And he’s a SG!
This is wrong.
I once thought this too, but Sports2 (I think) ran the math and he actually made more money. The “another lucrative contract” he could hypothetically sign in the future would have had to pay him $11M in the first year just for him to break even.
no way
he took the qualifying offer for like $6 million…..that’s quite a loss of money there…
by iamsasquatch on Jul 8, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
No, it's not. for the upteenth time... if you simply bothered to calculate out the published amounts
you’d see that you’re just plain incorrect.
The rist column is what he’d have made by signing the extension offered in the 2007 season. The second is what he was offered last year by the Bulls as an RFA. The final column is what he made with the QO + what he will make under his new contract, as best I can tell.
Year Ext RFA UFA 2008 $8.3 $7.2 $6.4 2009 $9.2 $8.0 $9.5 2010 $10.0 $8.7 $10.3 2011 $10.9 $9.5 $11.0 2012 $11.8 $10.2 $11.8 2013 ??? $11.0 $12.5 $50.2 $54.5 $61.5
The only way Gordon would have come out ahead by signing the extension two years ago is if, in that hypothetical world, he signs a new contract (or extension before then) for greater than $11.3M in the 2013-2014 season.
He’ll make up everything he “lost” by taking the QO and then quite a bit on top of it.
by Sports2 on Jul 8, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
we don't know if that UFA contract is that high
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I haven't seen it described as less than $55M
That article you posted the other day was sort of screwy, because it hypothesized him starting at $9M but still getting about $55M. I didn’t know what to make of that, because that doesn’t work according to the CBA rules. Most he could make then would be $52M, which seems like a big enough difference to say something about it.
Just for the same of argument, however he still seems to make out at better than last year if that’s all he makes:
Ext RFA UFA 2008 $8.3 $7.2 $6.4 2009 $9.2 $8.0 $9.0 2010 $10.0 $8.7 $9.7 2011 $10.9 $9.5 $10.4 2012 $11.8 $10.2 $11.2 2013 ??? $11.0 $11.9 $50.2 $54.5 $58.6
I suppose the 2013-2014 difference is debatable there, but it’s really so far into an uncertain future that I think it’s pretty difficult to guess. The potential downside to the new contract vs. the extension is at most a couple million, but the potential upside to an extra guaranteed year is pretty high.
go ahead a few more years though
current contract goes to 2014…..do you think he’ll be able to sign as good of a contract in 2015 as he could have in 2013?
But you’re right I am too lazy to do the math. thanks for doing it for me!
by iamsasquatch on Jul 8, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea and neither do you, so it's hardly a point for discussion
Nor is it much of an issue, because it’s quite possible in either case he could sign an extension either way.
Which sort of gets back to the idea that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. We know the contract Gordon has in hand, and it beats those he was offered.
I don't think it was even that realistic for him to sign that offer two years ago
Tough to assume a guy would accept an offer off his best season (and team’s best season) when it’s 2 years before you’re a free agent. Ben thought both he and the team would get better. Hinrich took his early maybe because he realized it was robbery (kidding).
The offer Gordon got the next season as a RFA is more relevant.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
and in the interest of fairness
Both BG and the Bulls were taking risks by offering (and not taking, respectively) early extensions. Gordon may have lost a bit ultimately, but not too much. The Bulls lost a lot.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
(and again: it doesn't matter if Gordon loses)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
nope
bulls lost and overpriced defenseless pain in the ass…..now i’ll agree with you if we dont get anyone good in here in 2010 but for now, i believe that is their plan. or at least hope so…..
by iamsasquatch on Jul 8, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
you should be worried
that they once offered huge extensions to that very player then.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
And we gained Kirk Hinrich and Luol Deng,
starter-quality and injury-free, reliable starters.
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-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
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by Prevenge on Jul 8, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Such cognitive dissonance
He sucks! But if we don’t get anyone next year, it’ll be a mistake to let go of a guy you think sucks?
Since we’re in the midst of meta criticism here, I’ll simply voice my amusement at the vast number of guys who clearly wouldn’t have uttered a negative word if the Bulls had re-signed Gordon, but simultaneously act like the Bulls will be better off without him.
are you saying i would have been ok with ben gordon signed?
i never was a fan of ben gordon, but i would have been okay with say 7-8 million a year…..had they signed him to the contract the pistons gave him i would have been super pissed!! i was saying “i would agree” to yfbb’s “the bulls lost a lot” comment if we didnt get anyone next year because i feel like we will get better talent.
i’m not saying ben gordon is absolutely terrible, all i’m saying is he wasnt worth 11 million a year and he wasnt gonna help us to a championship this year. so why not let him go???
But from a logical perspective
… if you aren’t a fan of Gordon in the first place, you can’t really say that the Bulls would have “lost a lot” because you don’t value Gordon “a lot”.
The reason you don’t let him go is because, despite being imperfect, good players are hard find. Gordon’s not perfect, but he’s more perfect, when you consider all the factors like age, salary, continuity, and ability than most everyone else. There are lots of players who are quite a bit less perfect.
Likewise, there are lots of players, including quite a few on the Bulls, who are overpaid compared to what they probably “deserve”, and quite a bit moreso than Gordon.
In the end, it all comes down to having some sort of plan for building a championship team. I can see lots of potentially successful plans with a historically great shooter at the 2 guard spot. That kind of talent doesn’t grow on trees.
derrick rose is the plan
gordon demanded the ball too often, with him gone, rose gets to develop into the championship caliber PG he can be!
the role of PG
is to distribute to those in better position to score. Ben Gordon was the best scoring option the Bulls had. Derrick Rose’s job becomes more difficult now.
wow
how much you guys value ben gordon really surprises me! deng will be back he will be a very good scoring option, rose himself should be able to become a good scoring option, etc. losing ben gordon is not the end of the world. just wait and see.
Don't make a basketball
argument that doesn’t make sense because you don’t like a player. Ben Gordon’s value was in his scoring; his ability to create his own shot and light up defenses via catch and shoot, trailing the break, etc. He had flaws, but all players do. Even Rose. Rose can’t score like Ben can.
I want Deng to be good as a fan of the team. I want all players on the roster to be good as a fan of the team.
It seems you don’t have the level of thinking to understand value encompasses more than just having him on the court. If they would have received something ‘else’ in return for letting one of their best players go for nothing it would be more accepting than just letting him walk. I’m not saying Ben Gordon is Derrick Rose, but if they let Derrick walk for nothing, wouldn’t you be upset with the ‘org.’
they tried to resign him the last two years
for prices that were more than fair…..he didnt take the offers. what did you want them to do?
by iamsasquatch on Jul 8, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons. It will be your new curse word.
Trust me.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Again... if you really believe this sort of logic
then you wouldn’t be happy with Gordon back at any price?
And conversely, if you want Rose to develop, as kingj says, the best option is to give a PG the best possible situation to develop. Simply replacing one offensive option with another one is treading water. Actually giving Rose two options, and creating an offensive with three actual options in it… now that’d be giving a talented PG the right tools to work with.
Prepare to agree then
Because if the Bulls are serious about 2010, just letting Gordon walk and having a little cash is not going to bring the big names. This team has not shown strategic planning regarding signings starting with outbidding themselves for Hinrich, then Nocioni, then Deng. If they somehow get out of the Hinrich or Deng contract then I’ll believe they have a plan for 2010. Otherwise they will stay mediocre and just competitive enough to keep fans coming and making JR money.
im an optimist
i think we are going to get rid of one or both those contracts before the end of the next season
Don't worry,
they’re not.
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-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
at 30? hardly. shooting is one of the skills that stays with age.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
umm so they are completely rebuilding?
I will be shocked if they’re not in the lottery. I really wish I knew what the Bulls plan is here.
there plan is to profit
and convince fans that they have a plan to win
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 8, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe it's just to profit.
I have never felt so unsure of this teams roster since maybe 1999. Who is going to be here in 3 years Rose and maybe Noah?
Don't be an idiot YFBB
1) JR didn’t “arbitrarily” pull the off from Ben Gordon. He gave BG a deadline and BG decided to disrespect that and come at the last minute. If I tell someone this offer is good till the 20th, they shouldn’t expect me to agree if they come the 25th. Furthermore, BG made JR wait the whole summer to decide, so JR couldn’t really do anything with Kirk. So get off Ben’s nuts for a minute and realize he’s not the golden boy you make him out to be.
2)Aaron Gray is a pretty decent backup. His per 36 minutes would give him 10 pts and 11 boards last year on .508 TS%. For 1 million a year, thats a decent backup guy to have in the rotation in case of injury or for a few minutes a game.
I used to think coaches were overrated...
Don't forget that Aaron is the Super Bench Guy Towel Twirling Cheerleader!
That’s gotta be worth a cool mil right?
agreed Aaron Gray is cheap
for a big man that can give you a few minutes a night if our big men are in foul trouble or an injury occurs. Remember Aaron Gray is not meant to play more than 12 minutes a night. The Bulls had him playing 25 minutes at some point.
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 8, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Luke Neville and John Bryant are cheaper.
If VDN isn’t going to play Gray against Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis, then there is no point having him on the roster. Let him go to a team where he might be able to play once in a while.
Hint: A 51% TS for a 7 footer is mind-numbingly pathetic
Considering he can’t shoot and apparently has “low-post moves.”
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
he didn't arbitrarily pull the offer, technically.
it was an arbitrary deadline, however. He won!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
It was a deadline...
After the player held the franchise hostage all summer, not allowing the team to make moves (specifically involving Hinrich), as they could not lose both last offseason…once BG accepted the QO,. the Bulls began shopping Hinrich and Hughes….the deadline was necessary because they had make decisions on the other guards on the roster.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
The fact they thought they should keep Hughes and Kirk
for any reason is stupid.
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Clearly the team did not see it that way...
They could not trade Kirk and Hughes until the Gordon situation was resolved…that could have potentially left Thabo and Rose as our backcourt to start the season…I would say that BG was holding the franchise hostage by his indecisiveness….
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Oh come on.
If BG can be replaced by the likes of Pargo then I am sure they could have a found an inexpensive Kirk-clone out there we would have all loved. I’ve been told that kind of thing is easy to do with no talent drop off.
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tips for BlogABull happiness
keep comments collapsed on default.
don’t open ones from D2.0
(I admit I fail most of the time at this)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking about just flagging every one...
although it would be nice if there was a way to flag them as “idiotic.”
Way to contribute to the discussion.
Your opinion on the Bulls and their management of talent and salaries is enlightening. Thanks.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
I do that with a lot of people on here...
and if your opinion differs than mine, cool…I do it mainly because they are people here to instigate more than discuss basketball…I am here to discuss basketball
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
I was not talking about replacing BG...
I was talking about replacing the trio of back court players would probably should have been moved last offseason….
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
"That could have left Thabo and Rose to start the season"
That WAS our backcourt to start the season.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
hah!!! ZING!!!!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
That was our starting backcourt...
We had Gordon, Hinrich and Hughes to come off the bench
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
How was Gordon going to leave as an RFA?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
it was an arbitrary deadline
but i’m sure ben and his agent were well aware of it. his agent told the bulls no fucking way immediately, what reason did they have to think he’d come around after they gave him plenty of time to think about it?
while i agree that the deadline was dumb, it was still there. they had other moves to make. if he wanted it he could have taken it, and he knew the bulls’ deadline perfectly well.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 8, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"they had other moves to make"
like what? Were they making other plans before the beginning of that season?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Moves like drafting two forwards
and desparately seeking Jannero…
Brillian!
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
Brilliant!
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
I meant before last season.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't follow your time frame
but letting BG go for nothing while having two first round picks and a bunch of expiring contracts to trade and instead trying to find Jannero indicates nobody’s home!
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
of course he doesnt follow your time frame
we dont talk about the past around here. only happy thoughts people!
(and hhirb, i dont believe you were one of the “positive thinking” people bitching abuot the whining above, but im just using your confusion to make fun of those people.)
JR's and your problem: seeing turning down an offer as "disrepsect"
pathetic
50.8% TS% is HORRENDOUS!!!!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
especially for a big fat dude who lives around the basket -- when not on the bench of course
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 8, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
KFC has the most baskets.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
I'd have signed Gordon and let those last five guys go in a heartbeat
and they had the chance!
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
Any chance of buying out Tim Thomas's contract for a reasonal price?
I’d hate to have a 9th man make $6 million.
The cap for next year is also going down
which could mean less money available for the big names. That’s a convenient excuse for us to avoid them and continue into our eleventh or twelfth rebuilding year with draft picks that never work out…
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
Renounce Roberson and Gray, and sign Rashad McCants or Von Wafer, please.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 8, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
idea!
Maybe they gave that bizarre first-round promise to Taj Gibson under the assumption that they could sign him below the rookie scale!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions
More on the 120% of rookie scale thing
from Sham:
It is customary for first rounders to receive the maximum 120% of the scale. Indeed, since the 2005 draft, the only players who haven’t have been Sergio Rodriguez (drafted 27th in 2006 by Portland; signed for 100%), Ian Mahinmi (drafted 28th in 2005 by San Antonio; signed for 80%), George Hill (drafted 26th in 2008 by San Antonio; signed for 120% in the first two years before dropping to 80%), and Donte Greene (drafted 28th in 2008 by Houston; signed for 100%, with unlikely incentives that could boost it to the full 120%). And you’ll notice how late in the first round those players were drafted.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions
I thought the Bulls had Irwin Mandel: cap maven
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, forgot about this
Thanks Celticsblog!
In the private memo to teams, the NBA reported what the seven franchises paying luxury tax had to give up to the rest of the league. The list included: The New York Knicks ($23.7 million), Dallas Mavericks ($23.6 million), Cleveland Cavaliers ($13.7 million), Boston Celtics ($8.29 million), Los Angeles Lakers ($7.1 million), Portland Trail Blazers ($5.8 million) and Phoenix Suns ($4.9 million).
So the Bulls made a cool ~$3.8m yesterday!
::hums ‘only the Bulls’::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Conspiracy Theorists?
Is the league sending a message to the potential free agents to reup now? I’d imagine that as much as they’d like to see LeBron in MSG, they don’t want a total reshuffling of their young stars (at least not until they get a chance to lock them out).
It seems like if it’s just a money play, then if you don’t resign with your own team this year you might be taking a pretty big hit when you get to next summer.
Why would they not want that?
Movement means money and interest — more jersey sales, more and different endorsements, more press coverage.
Agreed, the NBA has never cared about FA's jumping ship all the time
They market individual players, so anytime a guy can go to a better situation it’s better for them.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
they do want players to stay
thus the rules allowing players own teams to offer more money/years/raises on deals.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The league is always going to make it more lucrative for FAs to stay on their own team
But, nateroth makes it seem like Stern wants to stop the massive exodus of big-name players, and I don’t buy that.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
It is A LOT of free press
how many times have you seen ESPN run a story that says lebron told somebody he was staying and then running a story the next day saying he didn’t say that…..AND PEOPLE READ THEM. I can’t wait until that is all over and we can get the 2010 season rolling. Especially since the Bulls will probably be too cheap to go after any big names anyway
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 8, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Has this ever happened before?
Has the NBA ever sent such a warning shot a year in advance? If you are a max guy, wouldn’t this make you want to lock in now?
Stern could be playing it straight, or he could be giving his subtle nudge.
He might be saying
Those Bosh/Wade/Lebron 3 year deals so they can reup for even more max money sooner rather than later might need to be 5/6 years for your sake as a player.
Does Sports Entertainment tend to weather the rough territory in a recession? If it does, that won’t really matter since we’re going to be in something much worse than that.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 8, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
These 2010 FAs will be affected
less than 2011 FAs. FAs this year, and especially RFAs will end up getting shafted this year because no teams want to spend money, so they’ll likely sign QOs, then they’ll be FAs in a big name FA class.
The current CBA, I believe is set expire after 2010-2011 (possibly 2011-2012), so language in the agreement could change, such as contract lengths (read guaranteed money), maximum salaries, rookie age limit. And obviously the salary cap will affect players.
I don’t think Stern is warning anyone. Informing yes. But if players’ agents don’t all ready know what’s up, then, well, they shouldn’t be allowed to be agents.
Aren't the cap and tax lines somewhat automatic?
I mean, they’re pegged to league revenue. It’s not something that Stern has plenary control over.
Is that rule in place because the league wants it there?
Or is it because players negotiated for it during CBA talks?
It's more of what
owners wanted so teams would just flee to NY, FL, TX, CA, ya know places players would likely prefer to play. So the players wanted incentive for not fleeing.
Do you have a source for that?
Owners generally advocate for shorter and smaller max contracts at CBA bargaining time. The “home team advantage” seems to me a way the players got longer and bigger contracts than they otherwise could by convincing owners it was in their best interest.
I read it a while ago...
Basketball is more than just the players. Ticket sales, jersey sales, etc. make money for the team. If you don’t have the players to market, why own a team? Owners need incentive to own too.
Trustee of the basketball arts?
It’s a basketball arena and a museum. I sure hope there are tax breaks involved here.
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I'm sure the Agents read the business section
It’s pretty hard not to notice how much the economy is tanking right now. And it’s not even as bad as it is going to get.
Need not worry though. Worldwide William Wesley is a mortgage broker. He knows there no money left to leverage.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 8, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
potential 2010 numbers
If BRI, as it is referred to in the NBA, decreases by five percent, teams would be looking at a $50.4 million salary cap and a luxury-tax line of $61.2 million in 2010-11.
So basically we’re going to suck this season and REALLY suck next season. The “plan” that the Bulls have been feeding to all of us won’t even work…great!!
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Quit buying tickets!
It’s been almost 11 years with no noticeable improvement!
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
"Quit buying tickets"? and miss ..
Kirk’s shoulders return back to 2007-08 form, as he tries to presuade Rose to take on the same form with his shoulders while Deng sets out for his 30th missed game because of a sore wrist and pinkie….
And the front office places the blame solely on Vinny for the failure… Now that’s Bulls Basketball!
man up!
The luvabulls aren't hotter?
Whatever the heck that means.
Also, all beef hot dogs and shirt off their back night.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 8, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention Big Macs for 100 points, not 110 points
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of which...
Didn’t they just announce that Taco Bell is taking over as the official league sponser of the NBA? 100 points and a free chalupa now?
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by Khalid El-Amin on Jul 8, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be happier if they just gave me a dollar
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Taco Bell
does adequately recreate what my stomach feels like when I watch Bulls games.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
But it's so cheap!
Soooo cheap.
…
I don’t eat at Taco Bell too often, but I eat at Taco Bell way too much.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
I think the giveaways are independent
…because the Lakers have been giving away tacos for years now, even when Taco Bell wasn’t the official sponsor. I would assume that it’s up to each team and their own sponsorships.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
Yeah, I think the Lakers and Suns both give away tacos to Jack in the Box
Maybe research shows fat people in the Midwest prefer garbage burgers to garbage tacos?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
ok, here comes my dumb question of the day...
i’m not the cap cruncher that some of you on this are, but why is the cap lower than the luxury threshold? i thought the cap was a hard cap that no team can exceed? please explain.
and i’m not tired of the whining. a week later, no moves, and i’m still wondering where the scoring will come from? i’m over BG leaving, but i’m still pissed about the manner in which it happened. i’m thinking i might not go see the Bulls when they come down next season to avoid the embarassment.
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by BULLieving in Miami on Jul 8, 2009 12:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Anyone know why this is?
Also ignorant. The point of two caps? Why not just the luxury cap?
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 8, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Because it allows teams an advantage in re-signing their own players
And the luxury tax is a way to punish teams for grossly overpsending.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
you can go over the soft cap to re-sign your own players?
but not other teams FAs? I think I get it now. Wow. Seems like I should have known that.
Regarding Gray's QO: For one month the team can pull it unilaterally (unless the player has already taken it of course)
After that, it only works if both sides agree.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
More precisely according to Coon's FAQ: July 23
Then it would sit there until October 1, at which point the team could set a new deadline to take it or leave it.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
but how does the player take the QO?
do they send a letter that Gar Foreman pretends got lost in his inbox?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The Pargo signing for ca. $2 million should now put the Bulls in the luxury tax if no moves are coming
So moves should be coming, at least cutting one of the unguaranteed players
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
Roberson costs another 100K compared to Nelson
So, I guess we know which guy goes.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Roberson's deal
get guaranteed tomorrow, so I imagine decisions wil be made today, one way or another.
Now that Ive finally gotten over the complete botching of signing our short ass best player
Im not going to whine about how the bulls are cheap and how Reinsdorf rolls his blunts with hundred dollar bills…Im going to do what any former fan of a team since childhood would do when the owner wipes his ass with any real plan of getting a real baller in chicago..Im taking $400 next pay period and gettin me a ps3 and buy nba live and trade all these sorry ass players so I can win a title before I die. Im still confused how you vastly over pay deng hinrich and noch but let gordon walk for nothing.
NONONONONONO
2K9, get 2K9. Or wait for 2K10.
Screw Live though. It’s just a lot worse.
Also, if you don’t feel like paying for online you can get a ‘Core’ 360 w/o hard drive and 2K9 for under $200 right now [with deals].
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-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
Pretty close
Factoring in the scaled rookie contracts that first-round picks James Johnson and Taj Gibson eventually will sign, the Bulls have roughly $69.54 million in committed salaries to 13 players for the 2009-10 season. This includes a $1 million qualifying offer for reserve center Aaron Gray, which can be rescinded by July 23.
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