the snobbish bull manifesto
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2009 6:49 PM CDT
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I am trying to figure out who is good enough for the Bulls. All I hear is Rasheed is too much of this, Marion is too much of that, VC is a loser, Boozer is unreliable, Amare can't defend, Shaq moves too slow, AI shoots too quickly, Rip Hamilton is too old ... It sounds like the Bulls are the better version of the Globethrotters...
The East is getting tougher and tougher while the Bulls sat still.
OK, maybe this is part of the 2010 Big Plan. It is OK. I wouldn't mind at all having this team plus Dwayne Wade. (We would still need a power forward, though)
But what Kirk Hinrich has to do with this. Trade the guy! Or at least pretend to... I am bored! Right now the only rumor we hear about is Janero Pargo! We got to be kidding me... Mr. Forman, here is the thing: this is about entertainment. At least get involved in some rumors, man! Come on, give something for us to make 2010 come quicker! Give somebody a call, let spill to the press and then deny it! I can't take 3 days of Gordon is gone followed by 3 days of maybe the Bulls get Pargo if he agrees with a loaf of bread and a bottle of milk to represent the honorable Bulls. And if that fails we probably are going to give Michael Ruffin or Ricky Brunson a call...
Not even a "who will substitute Del Harris" we had! (I recommend VDN's hair stylist). Come let's get to work Mr. GM (or let's pretend to...)
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that was weak
as far manifestos go
July 1st 2009
by gobulls1124 on Jul 6, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Any one else
a little dumber for having read this?
by drosekillsall on Jul 6, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The title is spot-on.
This post is the manifestation of complete and utter snobbish bull. I especially like the plea for rumors (not even actual moves) for the sole purpose of your amusement.
“I’m bored, so dance, front office puppets! Amuse me with tales of trades that are not even remotely true!”
If you’re just looking for fake trade news, I’ll be happy to oblige: sources tell me the Bulls would agree to a deal swapping Kirk Hinrich for LeBron James, but Reinsdorf declared the deal dead when Cleveland insisted on the inclusion of Linton Johnson III.
In conclusion, this post sucks.
by T-Boogie on Jul 6, 2009 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
People who comment simply that whole posts suck
suck. Especially when those people can’t see a tongue firmly planted in a cheek.
by arjoseph on Jul 6, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I picked up on the tongue-in-cheek tone,
but that doesn’t change my opinion of the post. Everyone he mentioned in his examples would not fit in well with the youth movement and up-tempo style the Bulls seem to be moving towards. Good players don’t necessarily fit in everywhere. I personally wouldn’t mind having Amar’e, though.
At any rate, most of the flaws people on BaB have brought up about players are valid, and things like piss-poor defense, lousy attitudes, and a guy being way past his prime are things that warrant consideration. The Bulls are in no position to waste more money (they’ve already done enough of that already), so standing pat with what we have and passing on good – but not great – players now might be better in the long run if we have a chance to get a great player.
by T-Boogie on Jul 6, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if teams always passed up players with flaws
the Lakers wouldn’t have had Ariza, Odom or Gasol, the Magic wouldn’t have had Turk or Lewis or now Vince Carter. If you are looking for flawless players, you will be looking for a very long time. Good players cost money.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, all players have flaws. That's not the point.
The point is that the Bulls need big improvements, and they don’t have the money to spend on players that won’t make drastic improvements. I love to use Milwaukee as an example, because they brought in Jefferson last year (a good player, but an expensive one) and shipped him off a year later. Jefferson is a very good player, but the Bucks were foolish to spend huge money on him because he failed to help the team improve enough to justify spending all their money. The Clippers have done the same thing with Baron Davis (a very good player who just doesn’t fit in with the Clips) and they’re suffering, too.
Basically, the point is that if the Bulls are going to risk the rest of the money they have, they have to be sure it improves them enough to make them contenders. Anything less, and they will be tied up financially (thanks to Deng and Hinrich) without the means to make the changes necessary to rise to the top. The Bulls can either wait, or they have to go all-in, and, if you’re going all-in, it’s best to be sure you’re going to win.
by T-Boogie on Jul 6, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad examples
who knows what would’ve happened in Milwaukee if like the whole team hadn’t gotten injured…with the Clips, I doubt ANYONE knew (certainly not Baron Davis) that Brand was going to bolt for Philly.
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by NormVanBeer on Jul 6, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
The examples might not be the best, but the main point still stands: if you’re not in a position to gamble, why not either wait for a sure thing (or as close to one as you can get) or just wait?
by T-Boogie on Jul 6, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because by not gambling
We run the risk of having all this cap space with nobody coming our way….I mean if the team falters this year, knowing that we ran BG out of town essentially, ran Wallace out of town (less telling now post Cleveland, but that headbandgate crap had all the superstars talking)….and if we keep at the 41-41 pace, it’s not going to make Mr. Wade go, well I could stay at 41-41 in Miami with a GM that loves me and is trying to make us better, or go to Chicago where I’ll likely get paid quite a bit less and if it doesn’t work JR won’t pay to help add the one more piece and would rather see his star best player the last 5 yrs go for nothing just to keep in the middly .500 pace team that is always “on the cusp” but never past the cusp…
10 yrs of profits, running MJ, Pipp and Phil Jackson out of town, and him saying he’d trade all Bulls 6 championships for another White Sox World Series, is all enough to scare these guys away…
Take the gamble now. Don’t wait for the young guys to disappoint because they might become something…..we’ve waited long enough.
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 7, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
I agree that all the flaws recognized by BaBers are valid things to consider in serious posts about those moves. I just see this post as JustAnotherFan venting and making the general points that (a) activity by the Bulls front office has entertainment value in and of itself and (b) BaB members tend to complain tons and tend to accentuate the negative (a tone which JustAnotherFan seems to be weary of, as am I). Given that, I just thought the first three posts ragging on the OP were a bit over the top (and kind of the case-in-point of what s/he was lamenting in the first place).
Maybe BaB needs fewer sloppy posts that aren’t really thought out and more well-constructed pieces (actually, drop the maybe). But I didn’t see this post as one of those instances where someone makes a heartfelt and unreasoned plea in all seriousness for a certain Bulls roster move. This post is more about BaB and fandom than it is the Bulls.
by arjoseph on Jul 6, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I took it as an insult of Bulls fans, not an insult of the Bulls.
I wasn’t going for a personal attack (JAF usually makes plenty of good points), I just didn’t like the tone (s)he took in making all Bulls fans appear to be elitists. Pessimistic and cynical, sure. But we were used to success (6 rings in 8 years builds high expectations) and now we’re struggling to stay in the playoff picture thanks to a series of bad calls from the front office (which are entertaining, in a dark kind of way). That’s where my negativity comes from, not the belief that nobody is good enough for the Bulls.
That being said, I will admit my original comment was a bit harsh.
by T-Boogie on Jul 6, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No hard feeling
I think arjoseph got some of it but I understand T-Boogie. It was kind of mixed up anyway. A serious subject with maybe too much ironic tone.
For the first part, I wasn’t actually directing it to the BaB fans (although some of them go this way). Sam Smith for instance – which is a guy I enjoy reading – does that a lot. What I mean is: sure all those guys have their problem but we can just wait the next Jordan. Amare/Boozer? Not great but better than what we have and will still be tradable if we regret a season or two later.
I do like the 2010 run (specially if we go for Wade). However I wouldn’t mind having Sheed on Bulls uniform for a year (we do need a PF, don’t we?). And they will say ‘he will spoil the younglings’… man, those younglings right now need a little roughness…
Sure in Sheed’s case he would eventually sign with the Celtics. But that is what I complain about in the second part. A least try! What about Hinrich: we will continue to have him as a 10M reserve? Come on, try something. Get, I don’t know, Rip Hamilton – he has a shorter contract (I think). Show us some work.
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 7, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
Marion is an uptempo guy, Carter’s a scorer, Sheed helps open up the lanes with his outside shooting and can be a back to the basket scorer (aging as he is), Boozer’s a real deal 20-10 guy.
All those guys fit fine. That’s the snobbery the poster’s talking about.
We need more veterans and less of this, oh this 22 yr old, look what he’s done, imagine what he’ll be when he’s 28 (really good and on another team because we won’t open the pocket books)…
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 7, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely with the first paragraph
who in the hell is good enough to be a bull? Apparently only Bosh, Wade and Lebron.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And this is why we suck balls
Homecoming
by illwill on Jul 6, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct sir!
LEBRON, WADE, BOSH……………………………………………………..and Ron Mercer.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 6, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Johnson will be the 2010 Ron Mercer
Homecoming
by illwill on Jul 6, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Joe Johnson is actually good.
"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf&#@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)
"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Jul 7, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
way good(er)
Joe Johnson is a fine haul, even after all the risk it takes to play the 2010 game. However I don’t think he’s exactly worth it, either. And I have no idea how the Bulls reconcile ‘overpaying’ for him (which is what it would take to take him from another team) given their recent history.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 7, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be willing to overpay a little for him
as long as we can move some of the other bad contracts (Hinrich and Deng come to mind). And I’d much rather overpay for him than for Gordon, he offers so much more to a team on both sides of the floor than Ben.
Obviously some combination of Lebron/Wade and Bosh/Amare would be the best case scenario, but I would actually be very satisfied if we end up with Joe Johnson and Boozer (and I’m considering that to be the worst case scenario if everything else goes as planned).
"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf&#@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)
"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Jul 7, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are definitely ...
not angry enough.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
What we could accomplish this offseason
Rose/Hinrich
Salmons/Pargo
Deng/Johnson
Boozer/Gibson
Noah/Miller
by Faizamaze on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
History
I don’t think the Bulls can rely on their ability to make a deal, sign a huge FA like Wade, Bron, or Bosh cause they haven’t showed any prowess in past negotiations. If they can nab Boozer it might give them a little more credibility.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Jul 7, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Get Boozer and go from there.
by PricanStar on Jul 7, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's just Bulls fans, every fan base has the 2010 fever
If that big free agent class wasn’t looming I’d doubt you’d hear such lofty expectations. After the Celtics, Heat and Lakers all made their get rings quick trades most NBA fanbases got a little antsy realizing that one move could be the one that took them to the promised land.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 7, 2009 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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