Boozer to Bulls?
[From the FanShots. It's a good idea to rent Boozer for a season, especially since it's looking dimmer by the day that Tyrus Thomas will ever get a contract extension from the Bulls. Though it would've been a better idea to do this and keep Ben Gordon too, and really try and win something -ed.]
From Techn9ne:
"Look for the Chicago Bulls to make a strong push for Carlos Boozer. Reports have indicated the Bulls are interested in trading for the Utah Jazz power forward and there is a lot of truth to it. General Manager Gar Forman has already had discussions with the Jazz about sending Boozer to Chicago and talks could heat up even more in the coming weeks. The Bulls are looking to send Tyrus Thomas and most likely Jerome James to the Jazz for Boozer, the problem is the Jazz are talking to several other teams and may wait to find a better deal. Either way, the Bulls will at least make a strong effort at trying to get Boozer in Chicago."
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i would really like this move if
the bulls were willing to pay the tax in 2010-11. Then, we could get boozer, sign another FA next summer, then re-up boozer and go over the cap and probably the tax line since he would be our own free agent. However, after Reinsdorfs work in the past week, that seems like a longshot
by Calogero on Jul 6, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pistons have a better offer for Boozer!!! Rip Hamilton for Boozer!!!
by Jesus Presley on Jul 6, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer for Rip Hamilton - unlikely
The Salt Lake City Tribune reports Utah does not want to take on Hamilton’s contract. The SLT also indicates the fans are sick of Boozer being a liar, not playing defense and being injured.
by chgobr on Jul 6, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds True
I’m not sure any team in the NBA will want Rip Hamilton’s contract?
by Jesus Presley on Jul 6, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not playing defense? Uh oh. People around here won't like Boozer much then...
…since they have a problem with undersized position players who are offensive weapons.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 6, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer is the slightly smarter second coming of Drew Gooden.
I don’t want him here. Really. I’d rather have TT. He’s old, getting injured, seems to be on the downside of his career, and is in a system perfectly tailored to the PF [look at Millsap!].
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by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer also played well in Cleveland...
the comparison to Gooden has absolutely no weight. They play nothing alike. You just threw that out there.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's true that I haven't watched Boozer play too much,
and am only working off of what I’ve heard rather than what I’ve seen.
[throws opinions out there.]
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Re-up Boozer
The only way I’d be remotely happy with this trade is if Boozer is simply a “rental”. The guy has missed over 40% of the games on his current contract, doesn’t really rebound, and doesn’t play defense. But at least with a rental situation, he’d be in a contract year and he might magically have an injury-free season. But if he has a career year (or something close), I hope Gar Paxdorf don’t get enamored with the fool’s gold.
by kozzer on Jul 6, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't really rebound???
The guy averages 10 boards a game for his career!
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All defensive, plus
he doesn’t get the “hard” rebounds. They all seem to be from missed FT’s and stuff. He’s not a great rebounder, I don’t care what the stats say.
by kozzer on Jul 6, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silly stats...who needs them
I’m not even sure why we keep them.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Elton Brand's stats say he's a hall of famer
but is he?
E.B.: 20pts / 10rebs / 2blk
How about Zach Randolph’s stats over the past 5 or so years? 20pts / 10rebs
Are either of those guys someone you want to try to build a winner with? Boozer is not as good as his stats might indicate – aside from scoring in the post – and that’s why Utah CANNOT WAIT to get rid of him to keep a smaller PF in his place (Millsap).
Remember, stats are not the final word on how good a player really is.
by kozzer on Jul 6, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If ZBo...
played team basketball he’d be the type of talent who could be a good second star on a team, like Brand and Boozer are.
The fact remains that Booz grabs 10 rbs per game and that is good. Not to mention when you read about his game…experts smarter than you or myself say he is a very good players. I’ll take their word over yours…no offense.
They like Milsap because he’s younger and cheaper than Boozer. And could develope into a Boozer type player. They want to get rid of Boozer because of how much money he makes and wants to make. The Jazz are in the tax and don’t want to be.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally get where you're coming from
yes, 10 rebs a game is pretty good. I just don’t think he’s got the toughness or desire that we should want him as a long-term “core guy”. I wouldn’t hate the move if the org was definitely going the “1 year rental” route, but I fear that Boozer will have a great contract year, stay mostly healthy, and then the Bulls get suckered in to a long term deal. Because I feel that if he gets such a contract, he’ll go back to his recent 1-season-on, 2-seasons off sort of pattern he’s developed with regard to injuries.
by kozzer on Jul 6, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer is not the answer
Trading two young, cheap players for an injury waiting to happen isn’t wise.
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jul 6, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right...
not the answer but a much needed piece. And the proposed deal was to trade Tyrus and Jerome James. I don’t thing JJ has been young or cheap for a long time. Rule of thumb when trading…the team that ends up with the best player involved in the trade is usually the winner.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely a piece
but for how long, and at what price? He’d be under control for just one year, correct?
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by propheteer on Jul 7, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
His contracts up after next season but so it TT’s. From what I’ve read Boozer won’t command a max deal. But pretty close to it. Still if the Bulls want to win eventually they’ll have to pay for it.
by ronmexibull on Jul 7, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Man's rebound!"
-Dore
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Roid Rage Roozer?
Bill Simmons once wondered about guys who went from being relatively mild mannered but good players (like Boozer in Cleveland) to All Star-level and fanatically emotional screamers for a few seasons afterwards.
Regardless, the injuries are a warning sign.
Unlike a lot of NBA front offices/ownership, Utah Jazz executives are not stupid.
Probably a good reason to want to get rid of Carlos (besides just money).
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jul 7, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're wrong
I hope it’s just the combo of hardnosed Jerry Sloan and age…..I thought Boozer was one of the few bright spots of that what 2004 bronze medal team….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 7, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And people called me an idiot when I posted this as a fan post a few weeks ago
Not that I really believed they’d pursue Boozer
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Jul 6, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea
But doesn’t this move put the Bulls over the cap this season? And, more importantly, doesn’t this kill our plan to get Bosh? Unless the idea is trade Boozer for Bosh, of course…
by bull83 on Jul 6, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
were already over the cap this season
and boozers contract is up after this season, so it wouldn’t affect our potential cap space next summer.
by Calogero on Jul 6, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure?
I thought we weren’t over the cap… I thought we only would go over the cap if we signed BG…
by bull83 on Jul 6, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we wouldve been over the tax line if we signed BG
and now we arent. we already have 65 mill committed to next season, which is over the cap Sham
by Calogero on Jul 6, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean the luxury tax
they’re 1 or 2 million in breathing room, and there’s still filler roster spots left.
A James+Tyrus trade for Boozer has the Bulls taking in around ~1.5m in salary. It’s doable with other moves.
I wonder if the Jazz can do better in terms of immediate savings (which they need to sign Milsap) elsewhere. Depends on James’ insurance payment I suppose.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wanted to say luxury tax
The working is killing me (slowly) ;)
by bull83 on Jul 6, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is my understanding...
There will be no insurance payment on James.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 6, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's been determined yet
but it’s not the slam dunk it was thought to be, no.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's all we're getting for TT?
Boozer in a lame-duck season? No way they’d re-sign him after this season unless he’s willing to take a pay cut…or maybe if he has a ridiculous year and the JR wishes to bring in Wade for a Rose-Wade-Deng-Boozer-Noah lineup for the future. That’s a little to optimistic though, methinks.
And wtf this is the best we get for Jerome James’ salary too? I do not understand the logic behind not saving it for something much larger.
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 6, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if you noticed, but TT is also in a lame duck season.
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I thought we could move him for more than just a 1-yr rented player
If they threw in a Ronnie Brewer I’d be much happier with this…
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 6, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're not going to throw in brewer
for just tyrus and jerome james.
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by Jaina on Jul 6, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
how depressing that it was actually a debate (sort of) whether to use him to acquire Amare in February.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure about that?
I thought it was Noah they were debating?
For my true fans, I feel bad for them. The longtime fans of the Chicago Bulls – I just felt like they’re being cheated. Not with me, but just things that happened in the past. I feel like the fans deserve a lot better. - BG7
by smash! on Jul 6, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noah was more of a debate
but some weren’t keen on including Tyrus either.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true
Tyrus was actually playing really, really well at that time. I think he was on a streak of like 10 straight double-doubles or something insane (for TT) like that. Once the Salmons/Miller trade happened, Tyrus’ production dropped for some reason while Noah got a lot better. No one seems to remember that both Deng and Tyrus had a great January and early February.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 6, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Once the Salmons/Miller trade happened, Tyrus’ production dropped for some reason"

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
oh yeah
VDN forgot he was on the team…
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 6, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ps. don't post pictures that make it look like VDN can read
you know that’s simply not true
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 6, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Those are pictures of flowers and rainbows
and Scott Baio’s hair. Definitely not words.
by kozzer on Jul 6, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well he's looking at the paper
maybe he can’t read it?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caption: What the hell are all these squiggly lines?
by kozzer on Jul 6, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inside Vinny's head:
(“these mad libs aren’t nearly as easy as they use to be…”)
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 6, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what still baffles me?
I remember a time where you flagged me and temporarily suspended me cause I posted a picture on a thread.
I didn’t really give much care to it at the time but I respected your wishes.
Is there some Matt specified rule that I never knew about regarding pics?
by Option27 on Jul 6, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sames happened to me
I’ve been warned like 4 times for things I didn’t even know weren’t allowed.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jul 6, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keeps everyone on their toes.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and the warnings have no cumulative effect, FYI
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no LARGE pics
with the small/medium/large thing defined by google. or my whim.
I don’t think I’ve ever temporarily suspended anyone though. I just send a ‘warning’ because it’s the only way to directly message the users. I don’t get offended by it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It suspends your account each time you send a warning until you agree to what the warning is for.
Just curious
by Option27 on Jul 6, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh.
well, agree!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is thinking...
This needs more cowbell!
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 6, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can be larger than Boozer?
I hope you’re talking about Wade, Bosh/Amare and LeBron…
by bull83 on Jul 6, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned Wade in the post
yes, any of those players I would say are “larger”
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 6, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you talked about Wade in 2010
Now, I don’t see what we could get better in a trade, because Wade, LeBron and even Bosh – according to Colangelo – are not in the trade block
by bull83 on Jul 6, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two steps forward and two steps back
Incidentally, Talks continue between the Pistons and Jazz about a Carlos Boozer-Rip Hamilton trade. .
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BG gets his revenge two-fold
And the Pistons deliver two blows against their central division rival.
Vinny "Remember, I'm Italian" Del Negro no longer has Ben Gordon on his roster. What will his offensive coaching strategy be now? He won't be able to just yell, "Shoot it, Ben!".
by BCs71 on Jul 6, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact, Gordon has become Iverson. He has no conscience when taking shots.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 6, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
right, he's reading from the rookie season media guide
‘observers’ get a type in their heads when talking about a player, since they don’t actually watch anyone.
You however have no such excuse, and just do it to be an asshole.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
this is just straight up trolling
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
use the flag button.
I’m building the people v. D2.0
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it?
That quote made me mad/interested enough to actually click on the link and read the article.
For my true fans, I feel bad for them. The longtime fans of the Chicago Bulls – I just felt like they’re being cheated. Not with me, but just things that happened in the past. I feel like the fans deserve a lot better. - BG7
by smash! on Jul 6, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hillarious
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
by Yibs on Jul 6, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAMN! My idea to rid Vinny from the Bulls seemed to have been a real possibility!
Reports earlier last week suggested the Bulls may sign-and-trade Ben Gordon to the Pistons in exchange for a re-signed Allen Iverson on a 1 year deal. Although it seems like a crazy idea, the possibility was actually discussed briefly within the Bulls organization. However the Bulls fear Iverson would not respect Vinny Del Negro, would take the ball out of Derrick Rose’s hands, as well as possibly corrupt the team’s chemistry. So obviously, this idea is highly unlikely.
I would’ve been so happy to deal w/ AI for a year if it meant VDN would be fired. The comedy alone would’ve been oh so worth it.
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 6, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In Sam Smith's recent blog he says the Bulls brass never considered Iverson...
I believe him.
For my true fans, I feel bad for them. The longtime fans of the Chicago Bulls – I just felt like they’re being cheated. Not with me, but just things that happened in the past. I feel like the fans deserve a lot better. - BG7
by smash! on Jul 6, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if they did,
respect down.
I mean, I have very little respect for them now, but I would have less somehow.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade is a no brainer for the Bulls...
Boozer is injury prone and dosen’t play defense, but he does grab rebounds nad score in the low post, two things the Bulls desparately need to be relevant in the EAst next season. If he gets hurt or underperforms, his contract expires after this year…leaving the Bulls with three large expiring contracts: Brad Miller, TimTom and Boozer.
by Carlitro on Jul 6, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's an interesting balancing act
not trying to be ‘good’ and winning as much as possible. But staying cap flexible and being ‘relevant’, enough for a FA to think this team is going anywhere.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Pick the coach FA attraction?
Not “stuck with Tim Floyd and Crumbs” attraction.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, no way Vinny is part of a 2010 sale plan
question is whether he’s fired at Christmas or at the end of next year. Or if he becomes a better coach.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
I think the 1-year rental of Boozer is a great idea. Next year, FA’s will be looking at many things when deciding where to go (as has been talked about ad-nausea). And yes, money is a BIG part. But how your team did the previous year is another. If the Bulls win 50 games with Boozer next year (which is definitely possible), and Bosh thinks he’s the better player (which he is), it just adds to his (CB) incentive to sign here. It solidifies the thinking that the Bulls are – dare I say it – a good up-and-coming team… With a great young coach. :)
“Or if he becomes a better coach.”
Did you type that Matt, or do have a ghost-poster?
Because I don’t think anyone has ever become a better coach in their second year.
by StephenAA on Jul 6, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I watched most of the UW Madison games in Stan Van Gundy's rookie year as head coach
and he stunk up the joint big time.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 6, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm doesn't come through on the internets.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of funny
Around the NBA, lots of folks talk about being a perpetual first round playoff team as a kind of limbo in which you never escape from.
The Bulls consider it a perpetual nirvana from which they never want to escape. The sweet sweet spot of maximum profit (playoff revenues!) given a tightly controlled and short-term budget.
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think when wooing a FA it does matter
doesn’t it? Do max-players ever go to 30-win teams?
(Joe Johnson, I guess).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever? Sure
But they’re more likely not to.
And I’m not even gonna criticize the Bulls for this. Boozer for one year is > Tyrus + dead money for one year.
The only criticism to me made is that
1 Rose, Hinrich
2 Gordon, Salmons
3 Deng, Johnson
4 Boozer, TiT
5 Noah, Miller
would have been equally in reach and actually have a chance of getting somewhere. Gee, to think we might actually put two guys on the floor who routinely command double teams, along with the appropriate mix of inside presence, dribble drive penetration and superior shooting. That’s crazy talk.
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I think often times those 30 win teams are Memphis and the Clippers who dont want to sign free agents anyway. I don’t really think Orlando surprising everyone to go .500 the year they signed Grant Hill and Tracy McGrady mattered nearly as much as tax free, great weather Florida.
by JSlakov on Jul 6, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there's always the chance that, with other moves, we keep Boozer and still have FA room.
Having Boozer in hand, it might be possible to keep him somehow and still sign another FA. Unlikely, but that’d be the goal to shoot for.
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't want to game what this org will do next Summer
Having Boozer and wondering what to do with him sounds a lot better than having Tyrus and trying to figure out what to pay him or how much trade value he has.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we could pay Tyrus nothing and watch Detroit sign him!
They could be ‘Bulls [slightly] West’
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're slightly west from us, geographically speaking.
There already is a Bulls East. :P
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 7, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's in Cleveland
geographically speaking… ?
by kingj41 on Jul 7, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know how sometimes you think that things above you are to your left instead?
Yeah, that’s how I think of Michigan. It’s where Iowa is!
…
Whoops?
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
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by Prevenge on Jul 7, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing...
Is having Boozer (and his Bird Rights) gives the Bulls a bigger trading chip for a potential sign and trade for one of the Max players that will be available next summer…because with the economics of the NBA, a player can resign with his own team next summer for about $40M more guaranteed than if he signs with someone else outright…so it would be wise to have a piece like Boozer to sign and trade in exchange for said superstar…
Even with that said, I would rather the Bulls not make this trade…an injury prone undersized over paid power forward is not what this roster needs…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 6, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but...
It is amazing how un-injury prone they get during a contract season. :)
And while he may be over-paid, he is only over-paid for one year.
by StephenAA on Jul 6, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You mean like this season, when he only played 37 games?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that is actually different.
most players do play more in contract seasons, and that’s the only real explanation for that ol’ “contract year boost”. Players avoid sitting out for the nagging injuries that would keep you out 1 or 2 games. You can’t avoid something really serious.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh, contract season
I had to rec that.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you just make stuff up?
It’s a lot, but it’s not $40 million. This has been discussed, no? But if you say it, then it must not be true.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's less than half of that, right?
For my true fans, I feel bad for them. The longtime fans of the Chicago Bulls – I just felt like they’re being cheated. Not with me, but just things that happened in the past. I feel like the fans deserve a lot better. - BG7
by smash! on Jul 6, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think at the max, it could approach $30 mil
Based no my math and some assumptions.
It depends on the players salary going into the off season and what the cap will be.
As a FA signing with a new team, you can only take up 30% of that team’s cap for the 1st year. Then you’re entitled to 8% raises over 5 years.
But, as a Bird’s right FA, you’re still entitled to your 10% raise from the club w/ your rights. Then you’re entitled to 10.5% raises over 6 years.
So a player like Lebron in scenario;
A.) Salary cap approx $59 mil (1st year salary 17.7)
Max contract approx 5 years – $103 mil.
B.) 1st year salary 17.44
Max contract – approx 6 years $132 mil.
But if the cap shrinks to a lower number, that difference could grow.
by kingj41 on Jul 6, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 corrections...
1.) A player is entitled to a 5% raise regardless of whether they change clubs.
2.) The actual salary figure is not a direct calculation of .3 x (Salary cap). It is based off of a lesser % of BRI (Basketball Related Income).
So, there could be a case where the difference approaches $40 mil if there’s a significant drop in BRI.
by kingj41 on Jul 6, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actaully
Sam Smith used that exact figure in the blog entry referenced in another reply. He uses the fact that the player gets an extra year on the that contract and because of escalators the 6 year deal would be in the 140 mil range while the 5 year deal is in the 90 mil.
by illini on Jul 6, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh......
it’s supposed to be “Actually”
by illini on Jul 6, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't make stuff...
The max salary a player changing teams can get is a five year deal, beginning at 30% of the salary cap, with 8% raises…while the max salary a player resigning with his own team can get is a six year deal, beginning at 30% of the salary cap, with 10.5% raises…
Over the course of the contract, that difference will be roughly $40M…
If you are still not convinced, then read the Coon Faq.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 6, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Show your work. I only get $30 million.
As have others.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a specious difference since one is a 5yr deal and the other is a 6yr deal
In the case of signing with a new team, the player will usually make up some money in a follow on contract.
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am busy/lazy...Sam Smith did the work this morning.
If the cap drops 10 percent (two percent decline expected this July for next season), the cap is about $52.6 million. For players going into their seventh season at that point, like James, Wade and Bosh, a max player can receive a top offer of 30 percent of the team’s salary cap if he changes teams. That would be about $15.8 million to start. The raises would be eight percent annually in a five-year deal for about $91.5 million.
A player who elects to stay with his own team for a similar max offer would be eligible for a six-year deal (instead of five) starting at $17.4 million (10.5 percent above their final season). The annual raises would be 10.5 percent instead of eight. That contract would total $132 million.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 6, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
52.6 cap?
wow. Smith projects waaaay less than anyone else. I guess you CAN just make stuff up and people will believe it.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Sam wasn't too far off...
That surely is scary with a drop of basically 10 – 13% in 2 years.
by kingj41 on Jul 8, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the sweater vest was pretty accurate
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
“The Bulls consider it a perpetual nirvana from which they never want to escape.”
I think the signing of Wallace debunks your opinion.
by StephenAA on Jul 6, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
They immediately followed up the signing of Wallace with a salary dump of Chandler, followed by a refusal to pay for another high quality player (Gasol) because he was too expensive.
Again, the idea isn’t that they won’t spend at all. They are willing to spend within certain parameters, but they damn sure aren’t going to spend prospectively to build the team up to a truly title contending level.
Wallace was a perfect example of this. They paid for an expensive player who was pretty likely to be a box office draw, and likely to get help get them in the playoffs, but refused to go an inch beyond that. And in fact, took proactive steps to dump salary.
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
“They immediately followed up the signing of Wallace with a salary dump of Chandler”
Considering Wallace was to play the Center position, of course. Therefore, Chandler’s contract became much like Kirk’s today – too much for a backup.
“followed by a refusal to pay for another high quality player (Gasol) because he was too expensive.”
Memphis prioritized salary relief above anything else. LA had more to give.
Other than not wanting to trade Deng, I don’t remember it having anything to do with actual $.
“but they damn sure aren’t going to spend prospectively to build the team up to a truly title contending level.”
It’s pretty clear that they have 2010 plans. And if there was a player in the past that would have made them “title contenders”, please let me know who was available? And don’t say Kobe!
“And in fact, took proactive steps to dump salary.”
When the Wallace experiment was clearly not working, yes. And also by that time, it was clear that 2010 was going to be opportunistic.
Again, Sports2, I’m just not following where you’re coming from. Is it possible that Matt’s “bash the Bulls FO whenever possible” mindset is starting to leak into your posts? :)
by StephenAA on Jul 6, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically Chandler could have co-existed with the Corpse.
Trading him was more or less a Skiles initiative, the two never really got along.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it wasn't as much trading Chandler
as it was dealing him for an expiring contract, and then letting that contract expire.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, I was looking at it more from a strictly on-court standpoint
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and let it be known
that on this site (and a majority of bulls fans in general) the concensus when chandler left was…“GOOD RIDDENCE!!”….in fact i remember the first year wallace was on this team, and though his stat lines were lower than before many bulls fans all over the net were doing the “well the stats dont show wallaces real production” and “well chandler couldnt do any of what wallace could do anyway so its still an upgrade”…the next year wallace just died….
Hindsight 20/20
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by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember being very scared of the deal, but trying to be optimistic
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Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually liked the deal because I thought it would make Chandler better
Back when I thought Ben Wallace actually had wisdom to impart, rather than “Hey guys I already got my contract so I’m just not going to try. Peace out.”
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Made our jettisoning Chandler so much better
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 7, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I don’t remember [Gasol] having anything to do with actual $."
that’s ok, I’m here to help.
There was discussion of using PJ Brown in a sign/trade package for Gasol, like Keith Van Horn was the next season for Dallas in the Kidd deal. Rumor has it Reinsdorf turned down that idea (Brown as salary filler meaning less actual talent would have to go to the Griz, the Bulls did not have many tradeable large contracts at the time).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
*turned it down because of the tax
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh memory...
I wish mine was better.
I’m not following your theory on the JR tax angle. I also remember PJ always being part of the discussion for Gasol.
I don’t remember all the details of 2 years ago. But I do remember numerous reports saying that it came down to LA having more expirings than we did, and that it was as simple as that.
And yes, I hope I’m helping you too. Ya know, if we sign Bosh and possibly LBJ or Wade next year, I’ll be expecting you to go to Deerfield and kneeel down and simply say, “I’m not worthy.”
by StephenAA on Jul 6, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
done.
I don’t have to not be pissed until it actually happens.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They had more expirings in 2008, but not in 2007
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya know...
we’re talking about two years of Gasol trade rumors:
PJ Brown was a Bull in the ‘06-’07 season. Midseason that year the Bulls were in trade talks but the asking price was too high from a talent standpoint.
Pau was back on the trading block last season, and the Bulls still had rights to Brown. The asking price had significantly lowered, thus his eventual deal to L.A.. Brown could’ve served as the Kwame Brown component of a Bulls package, but that was going to definitely put the Bulls in the tax (since they were fairly close without signing Brown).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
If Boozer gets hurt it could open up minutes for Johnson, so we can see whether the poor man’s Melo comps are accurate…
by Carlitro on Jul 6, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I though it was a stupid idea when someone else posted this idea before
And……it’s still stupid. Why go hard after Boozer now? If they keep Gordon, then go after Boozer we have a roster that could win 50 games without playing defense.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because maybe now
We could have a roster that wins 50 games while playing defense. Maybe Boozer isn’t Bosh, but I think he’s as good as Amare, especially on this team because he’s better at scoring from the post, he’s a better passer, and he’s a great defensive rebounder.
PG Rose
SG Hinrich
SF Deng
PF Boozer
C Noah
Boozer’s health is an issue, but if that team stays intact for a few seasons we’ll top 50 wins easy for a while. And it’s not a bad defensive team.
by YaoPau on Jul 6, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many games would we miss?
SG: Salmons
SF: Deng
PF: Boozer
I think we could score a bunch and just give up on defense. D’Antoni ball!
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by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah!
I’m calling you out as one of the vast majority of folks who talks out of their ass about defense.
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got the stats to back it up
What’s your case?
by YaoPau on Jul 6, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My case is your words
You’ve spent quite a bit of time here talking about Boozer as a defensive liability, then you suddenly plug him into our team and it becomes a 50 win defensive juggernaut?
Laughable.
Nor do I think there are any statistical measures that consistently and accurately tell me a lot about the individual defense a player plays. APM is marginally useful, but significantly flawed, but APM doesn’t recommend Boozer defensively.
But most germaine to this conversation, YOU don’t recommend Boozer defensively.
In the past, you’ve written
this
Most undersized PFs that are great defenders will be great 1-on-1 defenders
You name Boozer, Millsap, Maxiell, Brand – four guys who aren’t known as great defenders. In my link I named undersized PFs that are: Hayes, Najera, Landry, Evans, Shelden Williams. None of those guys block shots, they excel defensively because they’re great 1-on-1.
Bosh is a level above Brand, Boozer, and Jermaine
Bosh plays good defense, Boozer and Brand don’t. And Bosh is a top 30 offensive player, Jermaine O’Neal has always been terrible offensively.
Maybe Bosh isn’t Wade on offense or Garnett on defense, but there aren’t many players in the league who are above +2 on offense AND defense. Bosh is one of them, and he’s worth $18 mil per year.
Another option I’m starting to like
is somehow dumping Hughes’ contract this season, then offering a big contract to Paul Millsap this offseason. Everyone’s talking about Boozer as a free agent possibility, but Millsap is four years younger, a better defender (Boozer can’t play D), and his recent string of 16 straight double doubles and 20.3 PER makes me think he’ll soon be a bonafide star.
If we throw a six year contract at Millsap for say, $11 mil per, I doubt the Jazz match, and we’ll still have enough to extend Gordon and stay under the luxury tax.
Rose – Gordon – Deng – Millsap – Noah doesn’t seem like a championship team on paper, but I think Rose’s supporting cast would be better than Chris Paul’s supporting cast, and the Hornets were a #2 seed last year.
So, basically, I have to conclude that you either didn’t know what you were talking about then, or you don’t know what you’re talking about now.
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Talk about bending words to fit your argument...
My words:
We could have a roster that wins 50 games while playing defense.
Your words:
you suddenly plug him into our team and it becomes a 50 win defensive juggernaut?
I don’t think I used the word juggernaunt…
And I did say Boozer doesn’t play defense. That’s true, and it also in no way contradicts what I said now – that that lineup would play defense. We were the best defensive team in the league for two years with Gordon at SG, we can be above average defensively with Rose + Boozer in the same way the Jazz were above average defensively with Boozer + Okur.
I ran three and four year APM numbers, and split them offensively and defensively so the errors were less than 1.5 for most starters. Big post coming up about it, but here’s the defensive numbers from 07-09:
Bosh: +1.70
Millsap: +1.80
Boozer: -0.38
Amare: -0.15
Gordon: -3.72
Boozer’s not good defensively, but he’s also not terrible, and the lineup I posted above projects as above average, while a lineup with Boozer, Gordon, and Rose would not be.
by YaoPau on Jul 6, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't your argument basically another Gordon vs. Hinrich point?
Hinrich’s soooo much better on defense and perimeter defense is sooooo much more important than having a good scorer at SG, that it’s a good move.
You think Hinrich helps the team win 50 games and makes them good defensively (above-average) and Gordon can’t help them win 50 games while making them bad defensively.
It’s not about Boozer at all, I thought.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it was about Boozer in that
Sports2 didn’t think the Rose/Hinrich/Deng/Boozer/Noah lineup would play defense, but you’re right. Except I never said we can’t win 50 games with Gordon.
My stance on the Gordon issue is that Gordon is mostly irrelevant. He plays minutes at a slightly negative APM, which doesn’t really hurt or help us since his minutes help keep the Hunters/Robersons on the bench. I admittedly think Hinrich is slightly better overall, but the difference is marginal. Rose/Hinrich/Deng/Boozer/Noah wins as many games as Rose/Gordon/Deng/Boozer/Noah, they just play different styles, and that’s what I wrote in the initial post.
by YaoPau on Jul 6, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh... I guess I misunderstood transposing a Gordon vs. Hinrich argument into a discussion of Boozer
But no, I don’t really see Kirk as the guy to get them 50 wins at this point. I’m with yfbb in assessing his talents.
As a more general proposition, I don’t think the addition of one good perimeter defender makes a team a good defensive team. Defense is almost inevitably made or not made up front.
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Yao Paul's assesment of Boozer...
He’s essentially a Z-Bo typre of player (low pst scorere, good rebounder) but with a slightly better motor and attitude. As good or better than Amare, not as good as Bosh…
by Carlitro on Jul 6, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh is a little bit better than Boozer...
but Boozer may be a better fit in Chicago with Noah. A Noah/Bosh frontcourt is awful skinny and will get bullied around by the Bostons, Orlandos, and now Clevelands of the East. Plus Booz is a better defensive rebounder which pairs nicely with Noahs good offensive rebounding.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer is NOT a good defender
They become a better defensive team by grabbing more rebounds and preventing 2nd chance points, but Boozer can’t stop anyone in the post without fouling.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point was
a team with Boozer + Gordon doesn’t play defense, but the lineup I listed above does. That’s three good defenders with two mediocre ones. I never said Boozer was a good defender, but he’s rates out better than his reputation.
by YaoPau on Jul 6, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich rates much worse than reputation
(and I don’t even know what he rates)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're going to have to get over this some day.
YaoPau said “good” defenders, and you’re objecting to Kirk being included in that group?
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 6, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying while 'good'
I still highly doubt his defense does anything significant to make the team’s defense better to the point where it makes up for the soon-to-be-crud offense. He’s not a frontcourt player, and he’s not a ‘stopper’ on the wing, or one of quick PGs.
I’m also worried that this is the best chance to get out of the Hinrich contract and the Bulls are blowing it. But that’s a separate topic that has nothing to do with YaoPau’s gooddefender/baddefender analysis.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we might as well face it...
if “Kurt” makes it through this season in Chicago, he’ll be here for the life of his contract.
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by NormVanBeer on Jul 6, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MUWAHAHA
ITs all going according to plan…
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by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
I’ll see you at the banner raising and statue ceremonies in 2019
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by NormVanBeer on Jul 6, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll be there?
promise you wont bring a sniper….
;)
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by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
but I’ll be the guy throwing tomatoes and holding the “Congrats Kurt” sign
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by NormVanBeer on Jul 6, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the Reindorf family officially adopts "Kurt".
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by Granny Waiters on Jul 6, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah
good catch
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by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they hadnt overpaid
It would be ok for the bulls to keep them as the bulls career back up pg
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 6, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, good ol Reindorf...
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by NormVanBeer on Jul 6, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be possible to move Kirk in the last year of the deal
For non-expiring money.
I really doubt the Bulls ever trade him, though. They just don’t want to.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 6, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, then.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice rationalization,
But I think you really just couldn’t pass up another chance to get in a dig at Kirk ;)
I obviously think more of Kirk than you do, but since a big part of it is going to come down to the team having a better defensive scheme than “switch everything”….
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 6, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I will certainly agree to that
I’m slagging Kirk from here on in. It’s a reaction to those who cover the team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
I’m slagging Kirk from here on in
ummm uve been doing it for quite a while here..and have gotten quite efficient in doing so….in fact some of the new members just joined this site to read some of your incredibly funny remarks on kirk and the organization
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by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it OK to hope Gordon lights up "Kurt" when the Bulls play Detroit?
I’m slagging Kirk from here on in. It’s a reaction to those who cover the team.
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by Granny Waiters on Jul 6, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
“kurt” throws another hissy fit like he did with Rando’s hard foul after Gordon makes the shot and gets the call
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 6, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
not sure. I’m a Bulls fan and want the Bulls to win. But if the Bulls are tanking for 2010…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All you did was swap out Kirk for Ben and Tyrus for Boozer
In the past you’ve called Tyrus a “defensive force” or some other such nonsense, so I guess Rose/Gordon/Deng/Tyrus/Noah would also be a 50 win defensive winner as it features 3 good defenders and two mediocre ones.
It’s all rather convoluted seeming to me.
by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit dude, reeeaaad
Ozzie wrote:
If they keep Gordon, then go after Boozer we have a roster that could win 50 games without playing defense.
I responded with “Rose, Kirk, Deng, Boozer, Noah plays defense.” It’s not swapping Kirk/Ben and Tyrus/Boozer. It’s swapping Kirk/Ben. It’s like you’re inventing bones to pick.
by YaoPau on Jul 6, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well im not sure about getting boozer but at least we're moving on from the ben gordon stories
even though i still sensed some bitterness and ben gordon was mentioned……..
by iamsasquatch on Jul 6, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe I should be more obvious next time?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol sure
as long as BG is not the main focus of the post i’m ok with it….
by iamsasquatch on Jul 6, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 6, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus vs Boozer
I would rather have 1 year out of Boozer then 1 year out of Tyrus because I think there would be a better chance of Boozer being resigned. If Bulls have a decent year, maybe Carlos stays for the cash. Bulls don’t end up taking 2 steps back with lost of BG.
The alternative.
Tyrus is not signing an extention with the Bulls. He will go the BG route. I would rather cut my losses and take the year out of Boozer. We all know Tyrus is as good as gone.
by Jesse07 on Jul 6, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Tyrus takes the BG route
we’ll retain Tyrus for next season and the season after that. Presuming Tyrus signs the qualifying offer if the Bulls even plan to present one.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
You are right. Still rather have Boozer for 1 year than Tyrus for 2.
by Jesse07 on Jul 6, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like going after Booz
He fills a need as a low post scorer and rebounder. When healthy the guys a 20-10 All Star caliber PF. If he works out with Rose next season…resign him. From what I was reading he was looking for $14-15 mil per year from Detroit. That’s less than the max dollars Bosh or Stat would command. And having that second star with Rose would be a nice draw from someone like Wade or Joe Johnson.
I could be wrong but since the Bulls didn’t resign BG…don’t they now have close to enough cap room for 2 max type guys?
I would guess JR would be willing to go into the tax to bring in someone like Wade to join Rose, Boozer, Deng, and Noah. That would be a serious championship contender.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they do get Booz
they will move tyrus right away, they did draft 2 forwards, and even if they are garbage, they are still cheaper to have around than tyrus.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 6, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well next season is a wash anyways.
That would be awesome if Deng, Salmons and Boozer were all on the injured list. VDN gets fired and they land a top 3 pick in the draft only to trade it. Hope!
your a confused ape
by SoulEater7 on Jul 6, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is next season a wash if we land Boozer?
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus Thomas vs Carlos Boozer
In A Chess Match!!!!
(this could take a while folks)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh my bad
i just see he and figure the pronoun is refering to the player in question not the poster…thats my fault, sincerest apologies (although i was just trying to be funny not insulting in anyway…and i emphasise TRYING to be funny)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is funny
Is your undying support for hinrich
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 6, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
REX GROSSMAN
THE HINRICH OF THE NFL!!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't a guy
follow da bulls from texas?
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 6, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way
Rex Grossman is so, soooo much worse than Hinrich.
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-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
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by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how
you didnt reference my cheap shot at piccolomair
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 6, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, hey,
he does have undying support for Hinrich. :P
Man, I can’t tell you how much it killed me that Grossman was the Bears QB during the run to the Superbowl, though. He basically gave the Colts the game.
It was disgusting.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious? I have to explain it again?
1. VDN is coaching.
2. They let BG go.
3. Hinrich and Deng have sucky hard to trade contracts.
4. The organization is lying to the fans and the players.
5. They have two GM’s
6. The only players that are sure bets to be back are Rose and Noah in 2010.
7. They are rebuilding.
8. JR is the Owner?
I’ll stop there I’m sure I could think of more.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 6, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still didn't answer my question...
IF we trade TT and expiring deals for an all star pf, why is next season a wash IF WE GET BOOZER?
We made the playoffs last season and adding a post scoring rebounding machine should at least help, right?
Here’s why next season is not a wash if we trade for Boozer.
1. VDN can’t be worse than he was last season when we made the playoffs.
2. BG left but we have Salmons all season to pick up some of the slack.
3. Hinrich is a luxury as a backup guard & Deng is a nice 3rd option on a playoff team.
4. If they’re lying…who cares…all I care about is winning.
5. Who gives a shit if we have two GM’s.
6. In 2010 we’ll have Rose, Noah, Deng, Hinrich, our rooks, and cap room to improve.
7. Trading for a All Star PF is a good way to rebuild.
8. I agree JR sucks.
Losing BG is offset and then some by Rose & Noah’s improvements plus the addition of a 20-10 post scorer who is one of the best defensive rebounders. Deng could and should be healthy most of the season. Salmons and Miller all year helps. Adding all this to a team that made the playoffs. Why couldn’t we do it again and be better?
No we won’t contend for a title next year but we will be better if we get Boozer. And maybe look more appealing for one or more of next years free agent class.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That 2010 class has 2 players. Lebron and Wade.
If you bring in Boozer the 10% chance you had to sign LBJ becomes 0.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 6, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer is a free agent in 2010...
so I don’t see how he eliminates any chance of getting James in 2010.
by SouthernCub on Jul 6, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh they're renting Boozer?
I’m kinda slow.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 6, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I don't know if they're even GETTING Boozer...
As it’s a rumor. I’m just saying that getting Boozer doesn’t negate any opportunity to get James or Wade in 2010.
by SouthernCub on Jul 6, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's also that little Joe Smith-esque episode...
…in Cleveland in which good old Booze took a lowball deal, and maybe cash on the side to stay with LeBron, and ended up having to escape to Utah to avoid an investigation. It begs the question how good a LeBron/Boozer combo could have been, and how much better that combo would look with the likes of DRose and Noah added to the equation…not to mention Kirk/Deng/Johnson(if he’s any good).
by Carlitro on Jul 6, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Tyrus in a contract year than Boozer in a contract year.
The Bulls should gamble that the contract year turns Tyrus into a bigger trade chip than he currently is.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 6, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
at least Tyrus
hasn’t missed an average of 25-30 games per season for a few years running.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 6, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the same time...
tyrus hasn’t really learned anything for the last few years running, so it kind of evens out.
by leeac on Jul 6, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if Thomas, at 23, starts playing even better...
…(therefore, showing improvement every single season), then it only makes him a better trade piece and not as a potential to keep?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Tyrus has a good year,
how much do the bulls offer him vs how much he wants? I don’t think hose numbers will be close.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 6, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Bulls wouldn't offer him anything
they are going to be too busy throwing their money at Bosh or Lebron or Wade.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And having it land on the floor while other teams offer vision, competence and excitement.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh well,
at least they can have some money baths with the leftovers scattered around.
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-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bigger trading chip to land what...
an All Star caliber PF? Who could the Bulls possibly trade for bigger than Boozer??? Bosh is the only name I can come up with that may be available. Or he may not be. Why pass up on a player like Booz when all your giving up is Thomas and cap space the Bulls were hoping to use to land a All Star PF.
Would you really rather have Thomas than Boozer…really?
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh > Amare > Boozer
Yep, an All Star caliber PF. You either think Tyrus will improve this year and Boozer will get injured or you think Boozer will did what he did in 2006 and Tyrus will bust. I think the former.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 6, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is closer...
to being a bust than he is to ever being as good as Boozer is. Yes, he can get hurt but that doesn’t mean he will. I’m willing to take a risk to improve this team. I’m not saying TT won’t ever be a good player but I am saying he’ll never be as good as Boozer.
And I’d love to have Amare or Bosh but I doubt we could get either of them for just TT and JJames. If we can great!
I mean really…why in the fuck would we not trade TT for a 20-10 PF in his prime…he might get hurt? If he does…big deal…we’re no better than we would be with TT. Boozer’s contract expires, we let him go and use the cap room to sign someone else. It’s doubtful we’d sign TT back long term anyways unless of course he turned into the 20-10 PF WE’VE BEEN NEEDING FOR YEARS. But we all know deep down TT isn’t that guy, nice player but never going to be that guy.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's still an army of BABers
that think Tyrus can be a 16-18ppg, 10rpb, 1stl, 3bpg, 48%FG player if he just gets the minutes and gets rid of the front office leash.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is his own leash
because he’s working on parts of his game that wont make him that much better for his position. He’s more worried about his jump shot than hitting weights and working on a post game. I guess if he considers himself more of a 3, then that’s okay, but considering his team make-up, he’s being selfish and needs to be doing more of the latter. He’d then earn a bigger payday than where he’s headed now.
by kingj41 on Jul 6, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is it always...
somebody else’s fault in regards to TT? Poor shot selection and bonehead plays on the court having nothing to do with mins or a front office leash. Why can’t it be TT’s fault or that he just doesn’t have the talent to be a dominate force. Great athlete yes, great NBA basketball player…yet to be determined.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he needs to become a better PERSON first.
we’re all just blind to what Paxson and VDN are doing with him.
Right, StephenAA?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer is a douchebag as well...
but he’s a better basketball player.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because the team knew he was a project and hasn't treated him as such
It doesn’t really matter whose fault it is, except that the organization wastes another draft pick if they don’t do everything possible to get through to someone
but, of course, chicago fans are more about being right and all that, and if he won’t do it their way, get on the highway you scoundrel!!!
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by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
::hums 'sweet home chicago' while eating an italian beef::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
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by NormVanBeer on Jul 6, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would...
Or at least that is how I picture most of your posts.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 6, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
zing?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 7, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be perfectly honest
i would love to see how tyrus would play coming into this season….that being said i guess in the end it doesnt matter cuz i dont see how we could have kept him and still have thrown enough money into 2010 to land an allstar pf and a decent sg (unless thomas showed so much improvement that he suddenly jumped to allstar status, which im doubting he will)
At career ends i can believe tyrus to be a far better player than boozer, however, if we talking about the now, and just the 1 season now, then id take boozer injuries and all..
If anything if a bosh or an amare sees what we do with boozer while we have him, they might think “damn, they were a pretty good team with that solid post player, if i were on that team they would be even better…they got pottential (enter cheezy teeth sparkling smile here)” in other words they might want to play for the bulls if the bulls can just look dominant whenever boozer is on this team healthy (even if its not for the entire season)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blocked shot and Bone head plays > Injured and in a suit?
I kid.
your a confused ape
by SoulEater7 on Jul 6, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the strategy (if there is one) should be:
Trade for a big (Boozer, Stoudamire or Bosh) and try to free up cap space to sign a wing in 2010 (LeBron, Wade or Johnson). We’ll need to see about trading away Hinrich or Deng…are those trade rumors w/ Portland dead (Kirk for Outlaw, Blake and wutever else…)? That would be a great trade for the Bulls…
by Carlitro on Jul 6, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man the Bulls are trying to kill me.
Hinrich, Deng and Boozer? Suckage. Maybe Boozer is being brought in to lure Lebron. So much for that idea. Maybe 2010 is Joe Johnson or bust.
Their 2010 coup would be Boozer and Johnson?
your a confused ape
by SoulEater7 on Jul 6, 2009 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lemme be the 1st to say
fuck boozer
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jul 6, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
agreed.. and same to the Bulls
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 6, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
boozer is a loser
tyrus and noah should stay together a while longer. after all, it’s the real reason the team got better last year, despite all resistance to their pairing.
goddamn but there are some major dumdums on this board.
Detroit? - "I want them to be better than the Bulls
higher draft pick, Vinny to be fired. 2010!!!!!"
by marionette on Jul 6, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was that little trade...
that may have had a lot to do with the Bulls getting better also.
Boozer>>>Tyrus
Boozer has been the 2nd best player on a pretty good Utah team for years now. Tyrus not so much.
I’m beside myself trying to figure out why many of you would not like to have a All Star caliber PF, a top 8 PF, scores in the post, can knock down 15ft jumpers, rebounds very very well, and is a big body next to Noah at the low risk of Thomas and JJames. Can someone logically explain besides writing fuck Boozer, he’s a loser, or he’s a bad rebounder regardless of the stats and experts saying otherwise.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck boozer, he's a loser.
this is about as dumb as the deng for shaq trade proposal.
Detroit? - "I want them to be better than the Bulls
higher draft pick, Vinny to be fired. 2010!!!!!"
by marionette on Jul 6, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for clearing that up for me...
now I understand your logic….hmmm…okay no point in continuing to ask…you win…Booz is a looz….fuck him and his all star talent, his actual real life post game, his 10 boards per game, yeah fuck him we don’t need any of that. Let keep our project and pray he turns out to have a post game, or get 10 boards a game.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
argumentative points were
covered between you and kozzer above. if you love boozer so much, league pass utah every night instead of the bulls and tyrus.
our project doesn’t need any “prayers”. sloan and/or minutes would do.
Detroit? - "I want them to be better than the Bulls
higher draft pick, Vinny to be fired. 2010!!!!!"
by marionette on Jul 6, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't love Boozer but...
he is better than Tyrus. And he gets us closer to a championship quality team. The Bulls would still need to add another star player next offseason but you have to start somewhere.
I don’t believe anywhere in any of my posts did I mention that Boozer is the final piece to a championship team.
It seems everyone is so in love with Tyrus you’d pass on getting a better talent in return for him…it’s the John Paxson syndrone. Let’s just keep our core together and hope they get better instead of going out and getting better players like all the other teams that have won championships lately.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problems with Boozer:
-He’s injury-prone
-He’s not going to be in his prime when Rose is
I don’t see the upside [getting into the playoffs a couple years] as worth the price we pay [a couple talents, and if we lock Boozer up past this year a bunch of $$$].
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"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wait?
Rose is good now and will be good enough to make a title run in the next few years. Boozer is only 27 so he’s got at least 4-5 good years left in his prime. Yes, he’s injury prone but it’s no gaurentee that he’ll get injured. The Bulls need to take a risk. If you’re waiting for a sure thing you’ll be waiting a long time. And the upside to getting better by adding Boozer is that it can help attract other top free agents. It seems now that stars are starting to play together to get a title. A Rose/ Boozer team gets you as far as Utah has been but add a third all star player and you can compete for a title in a couple years.
My whole point on going after Boozer is that if he can be had for only TT and JJames why not? You can’t get Bosh or Stat for that cheap. And the only reason Boozer is availalbe so cheap is that the Jazz are in financial problems and have to move somebody ASAP. Nobody wants AK47 or Mehmet and they have a suitable, cheaper replacement at the PF in Milsap.
by ronmexibull on Jul 7, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with this.
Really not a lot of downside there.
by Sports2 on Jul 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer is good for a 1 year rental only
I don’t want him as a long term Bull. Look at his games played since signing with Utah:
04-05: 51
05-06: 33
06-07: 74
07-08: 81
08-09: 37
So if you think Luol Deng is injury prone, wait til you see this guy. I would think he’ll play most of the season this year, because it’s a contract year (I don’t trust his character), but after that I don’t want him on the team. I will give him credit for playing every Utah playoff game in that span (as far as I know), but he is the exact opposite of reliable.
by kozzer on Jul 7, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill stick with a TT rental for a year
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jul 7, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Boozer will bring us a championship.
Way dumber than the Deng for Shaq trade rumors.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jul 6, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this isn't a move to win a championship
why can’t people recgonize it will take a series of steps to get to a championship level. The first step is to become a consistent winning team. Getting the best possible talents helps accomplish winning.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting Boozer probably gets us to the 8 seed again and we get knocked
out first round and get shit draft picks again and go nowhere.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jul 6, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
we’ll get the 7th seed again!! :-)
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by NormVanBeer on Jul 6, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WITHOUT a upgrade in talent like...
Boozer we don’t make the playoffs…we get the 10th pick in the draft…add another young asset that we’ll never trade because we’re too chicken shit he might be good after he leaves…lose TT anyways cause he’ll want too much money or overpay for him and he never turns into the player he had potential to be…no top free agent will want to join a rebuilding team…Rose gets sick of this shit and leaves when he gets first chance…we continue to be mediocre…OR
We could start to move some of our young assets for better players…in turn win more games…attrack other talent…maybe win a championship.
by ronmexibull on Jul 6, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I don’t see how replacing Tyrus with Boozer could be considered anything less than a significant upgrade.
I guess in your formulation, not getting Boozer means we end up in the lottery and you are happy about that. Or do you not believe Boozer, of the multiple all-star and olympic team appearances is better than Tyrus Thomas.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really, Olympic team appearances?
There’s a reason that all the Jazz fans hate this guy and the Jazz themselves wouldn’t want to keep this Olympic superstar. He is overrated. Sure hes better than Tyrus Thomas no one is doubting that. But I would rather see what Tyrus can do for us next year and ship him out at the trade deadline if he continues to dissapoint.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jul 6, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is worthless
don’t you get it. Nobody wants him Utah would be making this trade just to get out of Boozer’s contract, because they have humongous luxury tax problems and they think they can sign Milsap for a smaller contract. If Utah thought Milsap was better than Boozer, why don’t they start him in front of Boozer?
And I have no seen no evidence that Utah fans hate Boozer. If anything like the Bulls fans hate of Gordon, than it can be safely ignored.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer's better than Tyrus, but is he worth nearly x3 as much $?
I wouldn’t mind giving Boozer a shot, but if he only fits in kind of well, and the Bulls don’t play well enough to convince him to stay (or if he doesn’t pan out), then we’ve taken a step backwards, because then we would be a mediocre team without Tyrus (who is not “worthless”) or Boozer. So, while I do agree with you that giving Boozer a chance could work out, I can see why it might put the Bulls at risk for regression in the near future.
by T-Boogie on Jul 6, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Booz
will help the bulls more than deploying Tyrus and the 4 again and watching him go through growing pains yet again. If we piss away the season, why would free agents come to the bulls? If we keep up or create (depending on how hard you rate the bulls) that “we’re one piece away from a championship” image we are better off in the free agent market, when the bulls will jostle for the big guns (fingers crossed).
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 6, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree
if the Bulls go 41-41 this season, who exactly are they going to attract besides second rate free agents? It seems like the Bulls are placing all their hope on signing 2 max free agents next year. Well, they could still do that if they trade for Boozer, while also maintaining a decent record.
Some people are just stuck in their ways. They only want Lebron or Wade and when we don’t get them, they will say “oh well.”
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Win.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 6, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Granted Boozer was injured last year
and blocks are far from the best defensive stat. But… Boozer 7. Thomas 151. Didn’t Thomas have 7 blocks in one game?
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 6, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish blocks were the loan measure of defenders abilities
but unfortunately, they are not. Tyrus rates pretty low on APM for defense, lower than Boozer, and its because he is a one-dimensional defender. He is only good helping on the weak side. Tyrus doesn’t rotate to shooters, he plays awful 1 on 1 defense in the post, always conceding position, and is often caught out of position when the ball swings from one side of the court to another.
Tyrus has had a few games where he has been a difference maker on defense. But he has had many more games where opposing power forwards light him up.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus rates low because the Bulls' defense is a lot worse than Utah's D
From what I remember he’s still good in comparison to the Bulls’ other players.
[Yeah … too lazy to look it up. Woo.]
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 6, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Tyrus Thomas/Chicago Bulls contract extension talks
will be so bad they will make Danny Ferry’s negotiations with Anderson Varejao look like Jack Welch material.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 7, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there have been any extension talks...
But, they should open after the cap is announced July 8. I guess it will go a lot like Luol and Ben, Gar will offer a number and Tyrus does not accept, they will wait until he is restricted next summer…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 7, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say go for it
if all we have to give up is Ty and Jerome James.
Homecoming
by illwill on Jul 6, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
trade deng for boozer and turn boozer into a SF.. he's small enough plus neither will play 45 games this season anyway!
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 6, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus thomas
would love to play sf…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bulls
simply don’t have what it takes to get any production from Tyrus, VDN used Hinrich at the 3 during some points of the season! For the 3 spot, it would go Deng, Salmons, Johnson, Hinrich, then Tyrus on VDNs depth chart
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 6, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Hughes also started at the 3 for the Bulls last year.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 6, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
overseas after this season ...
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 7, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we just dangle Kirk
And sadly Tyrus and a second round pick for Lamar Odom and Derek Fisher
I know it’s a lot for us to give away because of the T2 potential, but if he’s not in our plans, he’s not in our plans…..and Lamar can help us quite a bit with his versatility to handle the ball, rebound, score and his improved defense…..Bulls need versatility to play with Rose and if mgmt’s gonna ice out Tyrus THomas, well then let’s get something real for him.
Bulls:
Rose/Fisher (expires after 2010)
Salmons/Deng/Rose
Deng/Odom/Salmons
Odom/Johnson/Gibson
Noah/Miller
We’re better with this trade. We can try to still give part of the MLE to I don’t know Pargo maybe because the guards are now a bigger issue. We’re still a piece away perhaps, but we should be better served for the 2010 FA class having another star instead of the might become a star but the org is tired of Tyrus Thomas….
Lakers:
Hinrich/Farmar
Bryant/Sasha
Artest/Tyrus Thomas/Walton/Powell
Gasol/Tyrus ThomasArtest/Powell
Bynum/Gasol/Mbenga
They address their biggest weakness (Lamar’s a great luxury to them and was a need with Bynum’s injury, but they’ll have to rol lthe dice on Bynum at some point). Hinrich’s an upgrade over Fish, though I bet the big shot Fish now will make this trade tougher than it should be for them…
THe Lakers might be a dynasty either way….but yeah this may help them or hurt them. Lamar Odom really stepped up his D last season, and his veratility was a big reason for their success, but he’s playing hard ball.
I’d frankly rather roll the dice paying $10M a year on Odom than Boozer and his injuries (paying him perhaps $15M to Odom’s $10 to boot when Lamar is the more purely talented player of the two)…
Why not.
It might be easier too to pitch to Wade that Lamar’s (former teammate) is in Chi Town too, since I know Riley’s wanted to bring Lamar back the past few years and was sad to include him in the Shaq trade….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 6, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If odom wants to stay a laker
i think he should, ive been considering the lakers with artest on it, and i thought up this lineup they could use at some point
Kobe
Artest
Odom
Gasol
Bynum
If that lineup just doesnt scare other teams then i dont know what will….Offensively you have 4 guys who can score without much help. Defensively you have all good defenders who are most likely going to be bigger than who they are guarding, except for the front court, but man the double team and the wing spans alone with phil jacksons schemes….that kind of defense could contain king james all over the court.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lamar
Does want to stay a Laker but also wants $10M/year which the Lakers aren’t too sure about given their cap hell because of Bynum.
If Bynum improves, either way they’ll be good. I don’t know if they’d really want Kobe at the PG spot regardless…..
But yeah, they’ll still have a weakness at the PG spot, and HInrich with his D and underrated O skills could improve that, he has seemed a perfect fit for them forever….
And man if I was a GM and got a 22 yr old Tyrus Thomas, I’d be salivating…..of course I’m not Paxson/Foreman though….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 6, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odom would handle the PG duties
if Kobe is the “other point guard” in that 5.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously
Don’t think they want Odom to handle PG duties for the majority of the time….
He’s good in stretches, and I certainly don’t think Kobe wants to be a PG, otherwise why would they bother with the Fisher/Farmar lineups in the post season pre game 4 of the Magic series….it’s not like Fisher was helping them prior to those big shots….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 6, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odom is their 2nd best ballhandler outside of Kobe
That’s why they value him so much, despite the inconsistent play.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
I know he has that talent, but I think it’s better to use him as the Pt forward in stretches, not full time. They value him because well Odom is really good…..
But at the same time reports are showing they are hesitant to pay him the $10M price tag he and his agents are asking.
Getting Kirk and Tyrus THomas for essentially Odom and mostly a salary match ain’t a bad trade at all for the Lakers….they upgrade at the 1 pretty considerably with Kirk and get an athletic freak who’ll be cheaper than Odom and can be a piece of the post Kobe team to go with Bynum….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 6, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm I wonder if the Lakers would take Hinrich.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 6, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
id think not...
maybe if they still had ariza, but with artest they have alot of firepower, they have hinrich lite in farmar on the bench anyway so i wouldnt think they would have a major need for hinrich…if they could get him for cheap (without giving up odom) they probably wouldnt mind, but they arent in desperate need for him.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 6, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they?
If Odom is asking for 10-11 mil per and the Lakers are struggling to meet that the savings in adding Hinrich and Thomas will be minimal if not worse for their cap/tax situation.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 7, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that
Hinrich addresses a need whereas now with Artest, Odom’s even more a luxury, and Tyrus also addresses a need to have the rebuild happen while their strong, plus he’s also extremely athletic and talented of course…
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 7, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take it all back.
I liked it better BEFORE there were Bulls rumors out there.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jul 6, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
