The reality of Tyrus.
by Tyrus_Rodman on Jul 28, 2009 11:50 AM CDT
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PrintOk, this is my first post so I will give it my best. I know that there will be people complaining "why didn't you just comment in 'The reality of Noah'" post but I felt there should be YET another forum to discuss these matters due to the colossal divide in opinion from Bulls fans. Plus, as it appears evident that the Bulls will stand pat for the rest of the offseason, everyone can use a little more to rant about...
Look, I was a big fan of Tyrus coming out of school. Might I add, I was not a fan of Noah nor was I thrilled that they drafted him with the #9 pick a couple years back. Regardless, in discussions with friends around the trade deadline, it seems that I was the only person that wanted to keep Tyrus and not trade him while his value was at its height. I thought, wow, this kid is finally putting it together (sort of) and his "potential" is just too intriguing to trade him away too early...
But........the fact of the matter is that Noah is the better all around basketball player, no question. Consistency is key and Noah brings that to the table because of his knowledge of his own limitations. He capitalizes on his strengths and limits exposing his weaknesses well.
As my name would suggest, I see Tyrus's ceiling being a poor man's Dennis Rodman with a better jumpshot (certainly not deadly nor worth not doubling down on Rose when he slashes inside). It seems that he could be a better shotblocking/poorer rebounding/less controversial version of Rodman. I think Tyrus needs to really just forget about offense altogether (as Rodman did). Take maybe 100 jumpers a day during the summer just to keep the rust off. The rest of his time needs to be spent rebounding the rest of the team's shots and learning how to anticipate where the ball is going to bounce off the rim. Rodman was great because he was able to react to a shot the moment it left the shooter's hand, getting himself into position for the rebound. I doubt Tyrus will be ever have/learn that instinct (can one learn instincts?? haha) but he needs to learn to use his athleticism on both sides of the floor a little better and in a more controlled manner. There's no reason why Tyrus can't average 8-10 ppg / 12 rpg / 3-4 bpg. He just seems too interested in becoming a "star." He will never be a "star" and I believe even the most ardent Tyrus supporters have come to the same conclusion.
Ideally, Tyrus is crashing the boards 110% of the time he's on the floor, regardless of loose ball fouls (disregard that more "controlled" comment above). By focusing on defense and rebounding Tyrus may well be able to reach his athletic potential. But it's obvious that he is not a slasher, not a good jump shooter (minus those game one shots that ended up handing us the game), and I don't know if I've ever even seen him try to bang in the post. His ceiling is becoming an all around defensive beast (albeit undersized...ala Rodman).
Now, how does this become reality? We've already got a sideshow coaching staff with VDN at the helm leading us to glory, so why not try to add Rodman to the staff? Maybe Tyrus just needs a makeover and he can become Rodman 2.0. Hell, I think Noah and Taj would also benefit greatly. While this last part was partially a joke, I really don't believe in Tyrus's offensive game but do believe in his defensive potential. If he were able to channel all of that talent and athleticism into defense (i.e. want it more than the next guy, i.e. Noah) I really think this guy could be an All-Defensive Team selection for years to come.
Now it's your turn to absolutely tear this apart. Back to work, cheers.
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I think the main reason the Bulls coaches are trying to develop Tyrus' offense
is because Noah is here to stay and a no-offense frontcourt is fairly unprecedented (Rodman/Longley and Rodman/Laimbeer oddly enough being the two I can think of that worked).
I want to see them try it, though. Tyrus has neither the jumpshot nor the touch inside to make me think he has anything to add scoring-wise beyond dunks, tips, and drawing fouls. And I agree with you: Tyrus focusing on rebounding and defense would be downright scary.
Obviously, the secondary reason for trying to develop Tyrus’ offense is that we traded LaMarcus to get him. I imagine Pax wants to give Tyrus every opportunity to justify the trade. But if Tyrus becomes an All-Defensive first/second team player averaging 10 points / 12 boards, I think that’s decent value from the #2.
It's great that the Bulls are up 15
with less than 2 minutes to go, and Dennis is launching 3s.
It’s not like the other team could get mad. Pippen was on the bench in street clothes and the Bucks had no chance of getting revenge later.
I don't see Tyrus as being anything like Rodman
Their games are just built around different things.
Tyrus is much more athletic, Rodman was much stronger. Tyrus actually has the potential to be an offensive weapon, and Rodman was never much more than a garbageman. Tyrus will have a decent midrange jumpshot before his career is over.
On the other hand, Rodman was a much better defender than Tyrus. He played great man to man defense, was great at boxing out, and great at rebounding. Tyrus does not play good man defense at all right now, quicker people go around him, stronger people push him under the basket. He also doesn’t commit to boxing out or rebounding. Rodman relied on his strength and intelligence to stop players, Thomas relies solely on his athleticism.
Rodman used to be more than a garbageman....
Rookie years, per 36:
15.6 points, 10.3 reb, 1.7 ast, .560 TS% – Rodman
13.9 points, 10.0 reb, 1.5 ast, .521 TS% – Tyrus
Second years, per 36:
16.0 points, 12.0 reb, 1.8 ast, .571 TS% – Rodman
13.6 points, 9.3 reb, 2.4 ast, .486 TS% – Tyrus
Third years, per 36:
12.0 points, 12.6 reb, 1.6 ast, .613 TS% – Rodman
14.2 points, 8.4 reb, 1.3 ast, .525 TS% – Tyrus
Same thing with Marcus Camby…
He never actually got those numbers though
Rodman’s actual points his first 3 years were 6, 11.6, 9, and when his minutes went up, his scoring didn’t go up along with it. 11.6 turned out to be his career high.
By “garbageman” I mean someone that never has an offensive play designed for them, and gets points by being active around the basket. You can still be a “garbageman” by tipping back 2-3 shots per game, getting 1-2 passes under the basket and dunking, and hitting 1 of 2 free throws. Garbagemen should have high shooting% because they don’t take any chances offensively. The only shots they take are high percentage ones.
The fact that Rodman’s ft% hovered between 53% and 65% his whole career, indicates that he never learned how to shoot and probably didn’t have the ability. Tyrus does.
To reply to myself
Tyrus on the other hand was up to 78% ft shooting last year. It’s hard to argue that Tyrus won’t develop a reliable mid-range shot by the time he hits his peak around age 26. If his shot starts to scare people, it will open up space for him to drive and get fouled, which he also does pretty well.
I can see Tyrus scoring 15+ ppg easily in the future.
To reply to this one
I like his FT shot. His midrange game should improve. Tyrus driving to the basket is a nightmare we’ve all lived for the last 2.5 years. He looks lost dribbling the basketball. It’s a shame he doesn’t have better ball handling skills because he does have a nice FT shot.
by Tyrus_Rodman on Jul 28, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The weird thing about Tyrus
is that for as poor as his shot selection is, his overall scoring efficiency isn’t that bad: 52.5% last year. 17% of his FG attempts last year were dunks, meaning 1.9 dunks per 36, and he made 88% of them. He shot 78% on 5.0 FTA per 36.
Combined, that means he contributed 7.2 of his points per 36 last year at a ridiculous 88.3 TS%. Let’s say he takes 10 jumpers per 36 and makes 40% of them while keeping the other numbers… he’d average 15.2 points with a 54 TS%
41% of his jumpers → 54.7 TS%
42% of his jumpers → 55.4 TS%
I’m not sure if I’ve bought in yet, but that’s the best argument I can think of for why Tyrus is a must-keep. He gets so many easy points just by doing Tyrus things that it might not matter if we’re able to run plays through him. By just getting his jumpshot to 40% – certainly possible, even short term – he’s an average efficiency player pouring in 15ppg.
I like your breakdown.
I’ve been saying that I really want to give Tyrus more time to develop/impress. I see no reason why he can’t hit 40% of his mid range shots in the future. Last offseason was the first one that he really worked on that shot. He has good form, and his percentage only looks so bad because when he’s shooting badly, he won’t stop shooting. I’m sure we all remember his 2-15 shooting nights.
Ideally i’d like Tyrus to stop taking jumpshots when he gets in a funk, but i’m hoping that Rose or someone else will be enough of a leader to tell him to calm down and start going to the basket or pass instead. Vinny was actually willing to leave him in there those nights, but i’m not sure that helps, anymore than benching him helps. He needs to stay in the game, realize it’s not his night, and play smarter.
I certainly do
Built around different things…only because Tyrus thinks he’s the second coming of Lebron.
Tyrus is much more athletic? Are you kidding me? I am starting to get sick of all this he is so athletic bullshit. Yes, he is very athletic, but it’s not like this guy is the greatest athlete the world has ever produced. If you don’t think Rodman was a hell of an athlete, go watch some tapes of him with the Pistons. The man had some serious hops.
Rodman was much stronger later in his career, i.e. with the Bulls. He was built incredibly similarly to Tyrus in his earlier, younger years.
The only potential Tyrus has as an offensive weapon is back door alley oops. The only reason to be semi optimistic about his jumpshot is his FT%. I think by the end of his career he will have a decent midrange jumper, but how does that qualify as an offensive weapon?
Yes, Rodman was a much better defender, no question on that point.
If you don’t box out, you don’t get the rebound 95% of the time. Boxing out is the first thing that an elementary basketball coach should teach EVERY player. Why exactly has Tyrus not figured this one out going into his 4th professional season? I guess the real question is why hasn’t he gotten demonstrably better at boxing out since joining the league. Oh yeah, almost forgot about the coaching aspect…
Tyrus isn’t a good man defender. He needs to learn how to get into good position, as Rodman did. Him not committing to boxing out/rebounding is his own fault. That’s call lack of effort right there. One more point for Noah.
Rodman did rely on intelligence, though I’ve never heard Rodman and intelligence in the same sentence prior to your comment. Strength, I don’t know if I completely agree with that one. Yeah, he did get to be a very strong guy by the mid 90’s but he wasn’t ever much bigger than Tyrus at the same age. What Rodman did so well was establish great defensive position. He used leverage and got underneath guy as they tried to establish themselves down low. By using leverage so effectively it left guys with few options other than to just bull him over for the offensive foul, i.e. how he was able to play Shaq effectively. I’m sure his personality helped nudge other players into frustration which led to those offensive fouls.
I agree that Thomas relies solely on athleticism, which is why he’ll never amount to much more than a role player if he doesn’t wake up, smell the coffee and learn the fundamentals of defense and rebounding.
by Tyrus_Rodman on Jul 28, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus has the ability to score over double digits. You kind of lowballed him at 8-10. He could easily score up to 12-16 pts, because he is pretty decent at getting to the FT line. His problem is shooting too many jumpers, which negates his above average ball handling skills for a PF. He can slash decently when under control and get fouled.
Rodman is way stronger(dude could hold his own against Shaq) and is actually one of the most intelligent players ever. Tyrus is all athleticism which can only get you so far.
So I agree with runningman, the two are nothing alike besides being undersized PFs.
I did lowball him at 8-10 because I want to see those 8-10 be off of lobs from Rose.
I disagree with the above average ball handling skills. I guess you could make the argument because he’s a PF but he looks lost and goes to the hoop with reckless abandon which often ends in an offensive foul. Amen on too many jumpers.
I like Tyrus cutting to the basket without the ball. Then it’s up to Rose to read/react/execute…
Rodman was way stronger as he got older. Has Thomas ever heard of a weight room?
by Tyrus_Rodman on Jul 28, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus Just Needs to learn
Tyrus is just a late bloomer. he reminds me of Jermaine O’Neal when he was with Portland… he didnt have a lot of offensive moves but he was a good athlete so he didnt play or score untill he got a better jump shot. He does need to stop dribbiling so much….he should learn a jab step/pump fake move, then one dribble to the basket, if the defender doesnt go for the fake he should shoot the mid range shot.
future of tyrus
the consensus seems to be that tyrus is gone after this season, either by trade or by inability to sign him. why is it such a lock that we dont re-sign him? with the cap even lower next year, we can most likely bring him back at a pretty cheap price. if millsap got 8, cant we bring back tyrus for like 6? thats a great deal for us and that would let him come off the bench as our “rodman” or better. if we do indeed trade hinrich, we should have the money for bosh or amare plus tyrus. obviously, we’d all rather another scorer like johnson or wade, but that might be asking too much. if so, lets bring back tyrus and let him mature into a beast coming off the bench, or potential starter if boozer/bosh/amare gets hurt. agree or no?
People that think we'd let tyrus walk
without signing a Free Agent PF are just the pessimists that think the Bulls will screw up every situation as badly as possible. It’s true that the Bulls could clear space for a free agent by renouncing his rights, but why would they do that, unless they were getting Bosh or Boozer or someone similar?
I think it’s likely that Tyrus is gone, but only to make room to get another PF.
yeah, well put me in the first camp.
What if it’s to get Joe Johnson?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
And do you accept having him play on the Qualifying Offer an acceptable outcome too?
basically, after the Gordon thing and hearing way too much of Reinsdorf, I don’t see any way in hell they keep Thomas long-term. They probably think he’s a jerk, and those guys don’t deserve $$$.
Maybe he plays his way into a no-brainer extension, but this team will likely be so disorganized (sorry: ‘in transition’) all season it’ll be very hard to do.
So I think you should amend your prediction to say that Tyrus is gone to make room for James Johnson. :-/
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about that
it would leave a gaping hole at Power Forward. If James Johnson far outperforms everyone’s expectations this year, that’s the only way it happens. But they’d still need a quality big man, with our only two effective big men left being Noah and JJ.
I guess I just don’t assume that Gar or Paxson are idiots. It makes much more sense to start Hinrich at SG and pursue Boozer, than to have Hinrich be a 9 million backup to Joe Johnson and Rose with limited minutes, and to have James Johnson starting at PF with Taj as the primary backup.
For them to renounce Tyrus and sign Joe Johnson, they have to know that it’s mandatory that they move Hinrich and sign a quality big man too.
you assume...
yet, you might be forgetting the admiration and love PaxsDorf has for favorite son Hinrich.
I’m incline to believe it is really real!
Therefore if that makes them idiots? That’s a question yet to be answered?
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
I don't see any evidence of this "favorite son" thing
They signed him to a declining contract when he was part of our “core” that looked pretty impressive, and was the first to be eligible. They also tried to sign everyone else and succeeded for everyone but Gordon. They’ve been willing to give up Hinrich (see the Boozer trade talks), but haven’t been willing to give him away for nothing because it turns out he’s still good at basketball.
I don’t even like to waste time thinking about things that will soon be self evident. If in a year, Hinrich is still here and Tyrus is gone, and all we have to show for it is the moderate upgrade from Gordon to Johnson, i’ll agree they’re idiots.
If they get a legit all-star to pair with Rose and set the team up to be major competitors, the pessimists should admit that they got all worked up over nothing.
"The Bulls get a legit all-star to pair with Rose and Hinrich isn't here"
really ;)
The first option will not happen in the summer of 2010, and sure Hinrich will retire from basketball eventually. Hinrich, Boozer trade talks were about as serious as Deng (Bulls teams), Kobe talks. It’s just an exercise with the Bulls, they were not going to pull a trigger with Kirk in the first place. The only trigger the Bulls are going to immediately pull with Kirk is an extension to his current contract as soon as he’s eligible.
Should also the optimists admit that they were deceived, and help propagate the deception of the organization at the start of the 2010-11 season, also?
Keep a close eye on the marketing by the organization during first half of the season, and read between the lines.
Remember this overly marketed line concerning Kirk this year
“His five three-pointers ran his career total to 669, pushing him past Bulls great Scottie Pippen”
Interesting, who has/had more three pointers that both,and yet got no large press coverage similiar to Kirk.
Now kirk is in position to finally past that individual because the organization ensured that he wouldn’t ever hit another 3pt for the Bulls organization. Because Kirk wouldn’t have never past him!
# of three’s Attempts
= == ===
Ben Gordon 770 1856 .415 (5 seasons)
Kirk Hinrich 708 1864 .379 (6 seasons)
As soon as Kirk surpasses Ben Gordon, the organization will allude to him as the greatest 3pt shooter in Bulls history, thereby setting him up for immortality in the marketing circles and no chance for a trade ever, but now positioning him for jersey retirement in the UC.
In addition, as always he get the green light to pull up and shoot three’s without any govenance and his percentage is below .400. This is unheard of having such a green light for so many three’s with a shooter under .400 percentage.
“Favorite Son” … do you still need evidence! :)
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
I doubt Kirk will ever be in this class, although he'll take enough shots to rank in top 3pt attempts
http://www.rauzulusstreet.com/basketball/nbarecords/career3pointper.htm
I believe when he retires he’ll be in the company of players with percentages like My correction, yes “heard of players with the green light”
Vernon Maxwell .320
Laxtrell Spewell .338
John Starks .340
All of whom made over 1000 3pts, but none who has had his jersey hanging from their stadiums. Wow BG ranks with the tops!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
When have the Bulls not screwed up every situation as badly as possible?
Excepting, of course, the midseason trade last year.
Vinny Del Negro: Possibly the most unintentionally irritating last name in the history of last names [Hint: I can't for the life of me pronounce it correctly].
-Brandon Jennings: PG of the future!
tyrus' qualifying offer is $6,256,806
according to hoopshype salaries.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Problem is
while we are trying to build around D-Rose we need a 4 that can hit that 15 footer or even have range out to the 3 point line like an Antwan Jamison type 4. Hard to have Noah/Thomas on the floor clogging up the middle looking for put backs. Tyrus NEEDS to develop his jumper this season otherwise I think he’s played his last season with this team. I like him too but he just doesn’t seem to get it completely.
Tyrus is still raw
but he’s still real young too. He only played like a year of college ball and last year was his first year playing with an NBA caliber point guard (no disrespect to Kirk, but he’s not very fast and his passing/shooting skills are just ok. He definately shouldn’t be the captain of a team that is seriously competing for a championship. Look at what happened to Tyson Chandler when he linked up with CP3. Or what about Amare. I don’t think Amare is the same beast of a pf without Nash out there. Same could be said for Boozer/Williams. I think Rose can help bring the beast out of Tyrus. If he doesn’t show a great deal of improvement this season then the team has to move on and find players to run with Rose. Bye Tyrus, bye Kirk. I’m not even that big on Deng really. Trade em all for a beast at the pf position. But let’s see what happens this year. Let Tyrus play and then evaluate him at the end of the season. The years with Kirk as the starting pg don’t count.
and then...
if tyrus doesn’t work out next season, let’s find more excuses to give him another year or two to develop all of that potential.
Tired of the converstation
Does he suck? No (although sometimes he really does). Is he going to be a starting PF on a team contending for a title? No. Is he athletic? Yes. Is he inconsistent? Yes. Can he dribble? No. Can he hit a mid range jump shot? No. Can he block shots? Yes. Is he a great one on one defender? No. Can he create his own shot by driving? No. Is he a good passer? No. Can he rebound? He is average here so yes and no. Can he jump really high? Yes.
I am glad we can once and for all put the debate to rest…LOL… Okay I know that wont be the end of it. However, that analysis is pretty accurate in my view.
The Dude Abides
by Savage23 on Jul 28, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
"poor man's" issues
We’ve adopted this concept of “poor man’s” gordon..“poor man’s” rodman and
none of these poor men are 1/10 the player as the suppose “rich man” whom organization want them to emulate.
I’m beginning to think if you are ever labeled a player a “poor man” then his destiny is external scrub! Pargo “poor man’s” gordon. Please!
I never heard people refer to Milsap as the “poor man’s” Boozer … I always heard them refer to him as somebody whose going get paid big this summer! … and it happened!
Or Ben Gordon as the poor man’s Ray Allen @6 million annually. Nobody said it, and Gordon got paid!
Ain’t nobody talking bout Tyrus getting paid! Yet? So I guess he’s a “poor man’s” somebody? nobody!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
I never even gave him the benefit of being a "poor man's" yet.
That’s his ceiling.
by Tyrus_Rodman on Jul 29, 2009 5:46 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem isn't Tyrus cant shoot
Kendall Gill has said many times Tyrus has nice form and a nice looking jumper. The problem is Tyrus is never in position to score because he has no position whatsoever. Tyrus may get a kick out pass when all else fails so he has to make something happen. There is no play drawn up for Tyrus. Noah can just put in a layup thats dropped to him from a nice pass, or put back a rebound. Tyrus gets placed out of the key to make room for the penetrating guards. Nobody considers this! The Bulls offense was pass to Ben to shoot, pass to a cutting Deng, or let Rose make something happen.
Then again
Noah stands around the rim waiting for the dump off or a rebound. Anyone who says Noah is better, tell me who has the better overall defensive stats, who has a better chance of hitting a jump shot, who has a better chance of making a nice pass, or finishing at the rim. No way in hell you say Noah! Without Tyrus the Bulls dont make the playoffs, I mean without Tyrus the Bulls couldnt beat the depleted Celtics! Remember game 7 Tyrus had 17 minutes!
"Anyone who says Noah is better, tell me who has the better overall defensive stats, who has a better chance of hitting a jump shot, who has a better chance of making a nice pass, or finishing at the rim."
Noah.
Vinny Del Negro: Possibly the most unintentionally irritating last name in the history of last names [Hint: I can't for the life of me pronounce it correctly].
-Brandon Jennings: PG of the future!
Well, OK, not the jump shot part.
Vinny Del Negro: Possibly the most unintentionally irritating last name in the history of last names [Hint: I can't for the life of me pronounce it correctly].
-Brandon Jennings: PG of the future!
What's odd is this is a Tyrus Thomas post
Yet you keep talking about Joakim Noah. What’s your point?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 28, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
you just write things with no facts
Noah has the higher PER (16.5 to 15.9), offensive and defensive rebound , True shooting %, effective fg, and assist %. He averages more rebounds and assists per 36. He is a better defender, bigger, and in the playoffs his per was 17 compared to Tyrus’ 13.8.
With all that said, I like tyrus. He has more offensive potential than Noah, but I don’t know if he will ever reach that potential. I don’t understand why you feel you need to denigrate Noah to make your point about Tyrus. But you just come off idiotic with all these rants and your inability to hit the reply button.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good point!
I think it is evident that many fans here feel more comfortable with starting Noah at Center than Thomas at PF. Thomas proponents can not point to stats because they are lopsided towards Noah or at the very least even. The only argument I hear is blaming other factors like the coach or the offensive set and on and on and on. Look VDN is our coach and our offense will be ran with the sets he runs. If Thomas can not play well within those parameters than he is better off on another team or coming off the bench. No team that I can remember has changed their whole offense to benefit a player that has not proven that he will even reach one all-star game in his career. The argument we should change our offense for his benefit is just crazy to me guys come on.
The Dude Abides
by Savage23 on Jul 29, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Noah is 7 feet tall
He hustles, and plays hard, and his job is to rebound and try to block a shot or two. Tyrus on the other hand is put in a position offensively to be out of the players way and out of the offense, if you watch the games it’s obvious. Tyrus is not being developed, yet the Bulls drafted a 20 year old with one year of college. Then they try to convert him to be a small forward, when he made his name in college playing around the rim, blocking shots, did you know that? Vinny’s offense was let BG shoot, or Derrick go to the rim, you may think these are good schemes, I dont. Anyways, nothing against Noah, I like him, but he’s not better than Tyrus at all! When Tyrus is gone it will be very clear!
I get your argument.
Everything is broke EXCEPT for Tyrus. I just don’t buy it. I’ve heard all of the Thomas would be great if this and if that. I have never in my life heard so many excuses for an under performing player its crazy to me. In my mind no matter what situation he is in Thomas will never be more than a sixth man to bring in energy off the bench for a good team. That is his ceiling as I see it.
The Dude Abides
That doesn't make any sense.
There’s a difference between ‘ceiling’ and ‘likely result’.
Vinny Del Negro: Possibly the most unintentionally irritating last name in the history of last names [Hint: I can't for the life of me pronounce it correctly].
-Brandon Jennings: PG of the future!
Makes perfect sence to me.
He will not be better than that in my opinion so that would be his ceiling. Where am I losing you here???
The Dude Abides
idiotic
How, because Im comparing the two and what they completely bring to the table. Or is it idiotic for me to want to commit everything to one person who had one really good play? I think thats idiotic, especially considering many of these same cats didnt like Noah 3 months earlier.
you keep saying Noah had one really good play
ignoring his body of work throughout the season. That is idiotic because you are making an obviously disingenuous argument, easily disproven. But hey, at least you learned to hit the reply button.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 1, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a good argument for why
Tyrus is the better 1-on-1 player.
i cant believe your a coach
i hate u worse than dumbleavy
The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-
the reality is
thyrus thomas is not that god dam good
take it easy
why care about a bloggers grammar
It;s really a simple equation
Tyrus better potential, better skills, better defender better player. Some guys are in certain situations with teams where they cant shine like they should, like Chauncey Billups in Boston, or Jermaine O’neal in Portland, or Rasheed Wallace as a Bullet, or Joe Johnson in Phoenix, or Rip Hamilton as a Wizard or Hedu in Sacramento. Tyrus is not in a good fit in Chicago, anyone who says Tyrus isnt good, doesnt know basketball!
I kept waiting for
you to end with the famous Borat ………“NOT!” I know basketball and Thomas is not as good as you think he is. And just because you are wrong about this I will not be as arrogant as you to say you don’t know basketball just because you are wrong about one thing.
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- Brandon Jennings states the obvious regarding his 2014 free agency, everyone goes nuts
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