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Simmons on Bulls: Let it breathe


I personally like Simmons as a Basketball guy and while he is often way off the mark he at least comes up with two talking points (even if it is littered with pop culture references). Here is his comments about the bulls from his most recent columns that compare this NBA off season to quotes from the "best movie of the last decade" Almost Famous.

6. Live? "American Woman"? The most brilliant piece of gobbledygook ever! Give me some white-hot white heat! (Picks up an album.) IGGY POP!!! Aaaaaa-men!

To my three favorite sneaky-good moves this summer ...

Anthony Parker, two years, $6 million (Cleveland): Quality 3-point shooter (42 percent during the past three seasons) with size who can defend 2-guards. Something the Cavs didn't have last season. Also, we finally have a conduit for LeBron and Candace Parker (Anthony's sister). I know she's married to Shelden Williams, but I still can dream about Candace and LeBron producing the greatest basketball player ever.

Arron Afflalo, trade (Denver): Now this is how you run a team. You let someone else overpay Dahntay Jones (Indiana, $11 million, four years) and replace him with a short-term guy with the same skills (defense and 3-point shooting) for one-third of the price. I might dump Morey for the Wark (Denver's Mark Warkentien) as my role-model GM soon.

Jannero Pargo, one year, terms not disclosed (Chicago): A poor man's Ben Gordon who catches fire off the bench every so often. Please, Chicago, don't do anything else! You had a nice run this past spring and created an identity for yourself, and you have Luol Deng coming back to take Gordon's minutes. Let this thing breathe. Let the kids run around and do their thing. You have plenty of time. And here's why I'm saying this ...

7. Tell him, you know, it's a think piece about a midlevel band struggling with their own limitations in the harsh face of stardom. He'll wet himself.

According to NBA history, the Bulls will struggle coming out of the gate as this season's enticing "Watch out for these guys!" team that surprised in the previous playoffs, receives a little too much attention and briefly self-combusts the next season (copyright: 2007-08 Warriors). Again, let it breathe, Chicago. Thank you.

(Random question: Where does the kid from "Almost Famous" rank on the "Wow, it's absolutely disorienting to see him in any other movie on cable at 1:30 a.m." scale? I have him ranked No. 3 behind Ray's father in "Field of Dreams" and Flatch from "Hoosiers" ... but just ahead of Ian Ziering.)

 

So there you go. Pargo is a "poor man's BG and the bulls need to "let it breathe." Whatever the fuck that means.

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22. Act 1, in which she pretends she doesn’t care about him. Act 2, in which he pretends he doesn’t care about her, but he goes right for her. Act 3, in which it all plays out the way she planned it. She’ll eat him alive.
To Carlos Boozer and Pat Riley. I don’t know who’s “he” and “she” in this scenario — really, they could play either part — but somebody’s getting eaten alive. They deserve each other. (Can two people stab each other in the back if they’re both staring right at each other waiting for the other to turn around? It’s a great question.) By the way, I wish we could bet on things like “Dwyane Wade will be a Knick or a Bull 12 months from now.”

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 27, 2009 7:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i expected better from him

falling into the “pargo is a poor man’s BG” trap is just inexcusable. i cant wait to email him in a year when we “let it breathe” this season, renounce tyrus, keep kirk and fish, miss out on bosh/amare/wade, and end up overpaying joe johnson.

by Calogero on Jul 27, 2009 8:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I expected better of him

Because typically his posts are a lot more fun. I like Almost Famous and agree it’s up there as one of the better films of this decade (not sure best but most probably watchable), but I didn’t think that was a really good article and thought the AF references got tedious…

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by majoyenrac on Jul 27, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pargo is the "homeless man's" BG.

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on Jul 27, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let it breathe = tread water.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let this thing breathe

Wine reference? Whiskey reference?

I’ll take it as a suggestion to defer throwing your bottle of happy juice at the wall.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jul 27, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's an annoying phrase to read

especially several times.

At least Simmons is happy with another team just blowing a chance for contention and waiting for one shot in Derrick Rose’s career. What’s to let breathe besides Rose and Noah? The ‘identity’ (what the fuck?) of this team will be gone in a couple years anyway.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

*another team

I meant that in that I doubt he’d feel this way about the Celtics.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess he considers tyrus and deng "breathable" as well

although im sure he’s not aware that the odds of tyrus being on this team after next year are about 20-1.

by Calogero on Jul 27, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what I was figuring

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i also loved the identity call out too

what identity did we establish? first round losers to a team playing without their best player? and replacing one of our best players with jannero pargo is supposed to help this “identity?”

by Calogero on Jul 27, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anything our identity was a freewheeling fast-paced team with a terrible defense

so we actually hurt our identity losing Gordon :-D

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

He's probably not this cool...

But I thought it was a Jay-Z reference.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 27, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons listens to hip hop...

I took it as the Jay-Z reference too. (Let that bitch breathe!)

Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....

by kidronmusic on Jul 27, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec to the nth

I hate that Simmonsian NBA theory.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now that I'm actually reading this :-D

yeah, he lauds Presti and the idea of being a terrible team. Then he rips the Bucks for trading guys away, the Knicks for hoping for cap space, the Griz for using their cap space to get money, etc.

Somewhere Reinsdorf is wondering how he can get Presti to be GM, to have an even cheaper team that somehow everyone is excited about.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

It's all good till those rookie contracts are up.

In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!

by wjb1492 on Jul 27, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely

can’t wait to see what a “genius” presti is when westbrook and green are demanding durant money

by Calogero on Jul 27, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

His point on the Cavs though was right

Imagine they might have won 2 or 3 titles by now had they not rushed to overpay for Hughes which became Wallace and seem to be doing the same outbidding themselves for Varejao and making Nocioni’s bloated contrat look in comparison a bargain…

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by majoyenrac on Jul 27, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont think anyones saying the cavs have been ideally built or perfectly run

but the point is that the goal is winning games, not getting under the salary cap with young, promising players. the cavs, nuggets, magic, and lakers (important to note they were the last 4 teams standing this year) have all shown that a willingness to pay— and in several instances overpay— players leads to success. you can get away with mistakes and overpaying and still be a winning. championship caliber team, and that’s the point that simmons’ team building strategy seems to overlook.

by Calogero on Jul 27, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hard not to win any games

When you have the best player in the NBA (or top 3) and have at least some good role players beside him at every spot. Cavs have a lot of 5’s and one or two ideal title 4’s on their team….they pay a LOT of money for those guys (Shaq though I guess is a 3 in his modern form, but wasn’ there this year)…

The Bulls will show a willingness to pay once Rose proves he’s there…..he seems like he will be there, but he’s not yet in the Lebron, Melo, Howard, Kobe league yet…

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by majoyenrac on Jul 27, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't the Magic follow Simmons' plan perfectly?

In Howard’s rookie year, they had Grant Hill, Steve Francis, Kelvin Cato, and Doug Christie all making 7+ million. Cuttino Mobley made 5.8 million. I don’t remember this, but I am not making this up. These guys all played with Howard.

That team won 36 games, and with Hill/Francis on the downsides of their career, they could’ve pushed to try to compete in Howard’s second year. Instead, they just drafted Jameer Nelson and (I believe) sat on the team for two more seasons waiting for contracts to expire.

Then in 2008, with Hill and Francis finally off the books, they throw huge money at Rashard Lewis and extend Howard, and a year later they’re in the NBA Finals. That’s the Simmons plan: find your star talent through the draft, create cap space before the rookie contract expire, and once you have cap space land your second star. Then, extend your first star, and boom! Two stars, longterm!

For a general guideline for teambuilding, I think that’s sound.

by YaoPau on Jul 27, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

except he ripped them for the shard signing

and has ripped them this summer for the VC trade and for overpaying gortat.

by Calogero on Jul 27, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

also im not saying his team building method is completely without merit

i generally think the presti/pritchard way is the best way to rebuild, it’s just when taking that next step from young, promising squad to contender, i think it requires spending money, while simmons never seems willing to do that unless it’s for a lebron/wade/kobe etc. type superstar.

by Calogero on Jul 27, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that....

Pritchard just bought himself a point guard and will likely trade some bodies for another established player if he can this year. Presti is maybe a year behind that (still accumulating talent) but can go the same route. I seem in the minority here, but I like that style of team-building and as much as everyone hates the arrogance of Blazer fans they haven’t hit the wall YET (though I’m not a big Miller fan and would have gone a different route with their first player buy).

I think many more teams have hurt themselves by prematurely becoming buyers then by accumulating talent and becoming buyers later one.

by RichKarp on Jul 27, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that

Presti totally picked the best player in the future out of the 2 (Kevin Durant is going to blow up big time, and Pritchard will forever regret not taking him when HE had the chance)…

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by majoyenrac on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That won't work for us though

Deng’s contract goes on for another 5 years

Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.

by stupidgenius on Jul 28, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Bill, I'll be sure to take your condescending attitude as fact

Oh wait, then there’s this gem

To my ESPN colleague Chad Ford, who wrote about Indiana’s summer (the Pacers added Tyler Hansbrough and Dahntay Jones) that “I like the strategy Larry Bird and David Morway have been employing the past couple of years in Indiana. Instead of swinging for the fences in the draft, they are trying for singles and doubles, and they’re connecting.” All due respect to my favorite Hawaii-based columnist, but doesn’t going for singles and doubles ensure 38 to 40 wins and a mediocre lottery pick every year? What am I missing?

Wait, you mean the exact same strategy the Chicago Bulls have employed since 2003, and you have constantly ripped them for? Christ, is there anyone from Boston that actually knows shit about sports?

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What are you talking about?

You’re just making up positions for Simmons and then arguing against them.

Where does Simmons say that swinging for single and doubles is a good thing? He’s ripped the bulls for not adding an all-star while they had the chance. He’s also advocating them sitting out this year and adding an all-star like Wade next year. Isn’t that swinging for a home run, instead of re-signing Gordon, and hoping Rose improves enough all by himself to take them from first round losers to Championship contenders?

by runningman on Jul 27, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't know....I'm stupid

I had meant to rip him for insulting the Pacers for treading water, when the Bulls are doing the same thing and he’s giving them a thumbs up for it based on a 2010 fantasy…..which he pooh-poohs for other teams based on the decreasing cap.

I still stand by my point that Simmons is a condescending fuck who flip-flops in almost every NBA article he writes, except when it comes to Kevin Durant and Larry Bird.

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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It means

Simmons watched a lot of Bulls basketball a 7 game playoff series.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

His Bulls comments

are universally bad. He thinks he knows a lot because he called out Derrick Rose being a good player. He doesn’t have a clue about how this team has really worked since MJ.

by nateroth on Jul 27, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

my favorite is how he kept matter of factly stating that we wouldve won game 7 if we had gone with small ball with salmons at the 4 sooner… despite the fact that salmons was awful in that game and we played small ball from the 6 minute mark of the third quarter on and lost ground

by Calogero on Jul 28, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't been this unexcited about an upcoming basketball book

since the FreeDarko book.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Is there a Bench Duhon book in the works?

To get you a little hyped…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 27, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Malcolm Gladwell is writing the intro!

Don’t you want to appear to be intelligent by reading long-winded bullshit that arrives at comically simple conclusions?

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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I do so already

almost daily!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i'll rec that

simply because the entirety of the book “blink” can be summed up in one sentence: “shit happens in an instant.”

by Calogero on Jul 27, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not really what it's about though, is it?

FAIL!

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by tyger1147 on Jul 28, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ohhla la... new simmons

:::clinks on link:::;

The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-

by Belize on Jul 27, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sarcastic?

the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS

by marionette on Jul 27, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

im not a simmons hater…i actually enjoy some of his articles..more so for the comedic relief

The only way you can avoid making a mistake is not to make a decision . Our Owner´s philosophy-

by Belize on Jul 27, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, he can write

and he’s funny sometimes, and stupid funny more times. i wouldn’t rush to click a simmons link though, you know? and even if i agree in general with the “stand pat” premise, almost famous and cameron crowe are just awful. not interested, man!

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by marionette on Jul 27, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree wit u man

almost famous sucked..simmons is turning into the “old man at the club”..lol

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by Belize on Jul 27, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost Famous is a terrible movie.

The Warriors won 48 games in 07-08…who hopes the bulls win 48 games?

by Super-Structure on Jul 27, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I’m surprised 2 posts in a row about Almost Famous. I don’t like that style of music (the Journey, Grand Funk, total 70s schlocky crap) and I am not the biggest Cameron Crowe fan (Say Anything was good though) but I thought Almost Famous was about as perfect a feel good, rock and roll movie as there could be….

My wife didn’t like it either (though she rarely likes anything that isn’t some REALLY crappy romantic comedy)

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by majoyenrac on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hard to find it surprising

when the first post was ‘part one of two’

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

haven´t seen Almost Famous

but his part about the actor draft is terrible. Tom Cruise in the top 5? Has he been in a single good movie? (I haven´t seen Magnolia)

by JSlakov on Jul 27, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Almost Famous is actually pretty good.

Tom Cruise may get a pass for his role in Tropic Thunder; other than that, I dunno.

by wfrv5 on Jul 27, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

meh to Legend and Eyes Wide Shut, haven´t seen Collateral.

by JSlakov on Jul 27, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand Legend,

but meh to Eyes Wide Shut means you missed something.

by Super-Structure on Jul 27, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let's not forget Vanilla Sky, Minority Report and the first Mission Impossible.

Oh yeah, The Outsiders, Losin’ It, The Color of Money, etc.. Tom Cruise, crazy as he may be, actually knows damn well how to pick a script. I’m not saying he’s Daniel Day Lewis or anything, but more of a mix between Keanu Reeves and Brad Pitt. One a pretty horrible actor who can pick a script with the best of them and the other an overrated (albeit still very respectable) actor who plays into the popular, “heart throb” role.

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 28, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

He’s far better an actor than the wooden Keanu Reeves or the terrible acting Brad I ruined se7en with my terrible Gweneth seen at the end of the movie.

I think Tom Cruise is every bit in Daniel-Day Lewis’s realm as an actor. He’s a great actor who knows how to pick up a script and rarely goes for the easy Top Gun type of roles that got him his start, even though he could get those roles by simply asking for them. He’s good. Crazy but good.

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by majoyenrac on Jul 28, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Jul 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magnolia, Born on the 4th of July, Collateral

Almost Famous…..I think I’ll have to watch it again because I hated it.

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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

aw, no one likes risky business? ;)

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Jul 27, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there's a link on his article where you can vote for best movie of the aughts

except most of the choices are crap. FYI it includes Brokeback Mountain (not joking) ,CastAway, and obviously Almost Famous. I’m not even a big Lord of the Rings guy, but it seems like a no brainer to me for this decade.

by M 80 on Jul 27, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That list of movies sucks ass

OK, throw out Almost Famous, Brokeback Mountain, Cast Away, and No Country For Old Men (which is quite possibly one of the most pointless and ridiculous movies to ever win Best Picture)

Pick one from each subcategory, then face them off:

  • The Bourne Supremacy vs. Collateral (chase movie division)
  • There Will be Blood vs. The Departed vs. The Aviator vs. Gran Torino (trying hard to be dramatic but still pulling it off division)
  • Gladiator vs. Lord of the Rings vs. The Dark Knight vs. the last Star Wars movie (big budget division)
  • Juno vs. Donnie Darko (the comedic drama that is coming of age division)
  • Million Dollar Baby vs. Hotel Rwanda vs. The Pianist (too fucking depressing to make your way through it division)

I think I’d take The Bourne Supremacy, The Aviator, The Dark Knight, Donnie Darko, and Million Dollar Baby
I’d never choose million dollar baby because it’s too fucking depressing and I’ve never actually watched the whole thing. So that leaves any of the others that I’d think would be worthwhile votes. Since the Dark Knight is the only one on that list, I guess it gets the nod.

by Sports2 on Jul 28, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word, No Country was pretty awesome actually.

If you thought it was pointless and ridiculous then you just didn’t get it and are pissed off that other people did.

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 28, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

More pointless than The English Patient?

How about Shakespeare in Love? Or Chicago? All of those movies were boring as hell and way more pointless than the not-pointless-at-all No Country. Just sayin’.

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 29, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure they fall in the "won an Academy Award for Best Picture" category...

but either way, they are chick flicks and they do suck. I’m just saying No Country was not a pointless movie.

If any of the movies you mention were pointless (and I’m not sure any of them were) then it would have to be Donnie Darko. I’m a big fan of that movie (I actually own almost every movie you named) but it is commonly known that the script to Donnie Darko was assembled from 4 separate, unrelated scripts and that there is actually no set “point” or “theme” to the movie.

It was intended to be left up to the imaginations of the viewers and was actually kind of a joke played by Richard Kelly (director and screenwriter) to see how many people would deify the movie as some extremely deep, “coming of age” film — which, ironically enough, has happened more so than anyone ever really imagined.

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 30, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, very often the points people come to associate with any art aren't what the author intended

Sometimes meanings (and meaningful, commonly observable patterns) emerge from things that are thrown together.

Conversely, artists in particular often intend their creations to mean something that most people end up thinking sucks major ass.

by Sports2 on Jul 30, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, I believe you just made my point.

If your first point is true (that the viewers should draw their own conclusions) then you saying No Country was pointless is a flawed statement. You should have said that you did not not see the point, not make a blanket statement that said there was none.

And if your second point was true, then no, most people did not think that it sucked major ass. It won Best Picture for a reason. I just graduated with a film degree a little over a year ago and I know absolutely no one who thinks that movie sucks ass. Except for you I guess.

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 30, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Logically no

My statement could be interpreted a couple ways, I suppose, in the context of my wider theory of meaning. They aren’t mutually exclusive either. I believe:

  • As a personal statement of value, it still wouldn’t be flawed.
  • It could also, though, be a statement of observed value. The conclusion that most people will eventually come to see it as relatively mindless, rather than an enduring work.

And the second point is certainly possible even though it won Best Picture. As you pointed out, sucky movies can still win best picture. As you said, the English Patient sucked but still won Best Picture. So I don’t think that proves anything.

Granted, there’s a little bit of difference between sucky and pointless, but I’d certainly consider The English Patient both of them. And as time passes, it won’t really endure as great film, I think, because of its suckiness and pointlessness.

by Sports2 on Jul 30, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still don't see how you can't see the point to No Country For Old Men

it’s in the friggin’ title! On one hand it’s an action/thriller movie based around a “chase” scenario (very much like Apocalypto in the regard — another excellent movie) and on the other hand it makes a statement about the change in ideals and values of the Old West. As in, an ever-evolving country such as this is no place for old men that are resistant to change.

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 30, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I usually agree with your opinions on the Bulls

and you have actually listed a decent amount of good movies in your original post, but in regards to this one in particular, you have an opinion that is waaaaay outside of the majority of film critics, film students and movie-goers in general.

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

see why we should never talk about things other than basketball?

I hate you all.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 30, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I dunno, basketball can get pretty devisive.

Maybe we should just talk about needlepoint or something.

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by Prevenge on Aug 1, 2009 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

God

I had to read The English Patient (the book) in college right before that movie came out. It was awful. I never struggled more with a book before in my life. I just couldn’t get into it at all.

Then that Seinfeld episode came out in the last season where Elaine couldn’t stand the movie and her boss kept taking her to it or whatever. THat was so classic.

God I hated that book….I read it cuz I had to and even then I got nothing out of it. Pure fluff. I never touched that movie…

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by majoyenrac on Jul 30, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we all just come together

in agreement that The English Patient sucked?

by runningman on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, yes, absolutely.

And I will also go ahead and throw out there that although I love No Country (and almost every Coen Brothers movie except Intollerable Cruelty and the Ladykillers), the Big Lebowski is the far superior film.

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 30, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't like Fargo?

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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I LOVE Fargo

and believe that it should have won Best Picture over The English Patient (sorry yfBB for the extended movie discussion), I just think Big Lebowski is my favorite of all their movies.

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 31, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on Jul 30, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i never saw it

because my parents hated it when they saw it in theatres…. in fact, my mom used to threaten me with having to watch it if i did something she didn’t like LOL :D

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Jul 30, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

And I don’t know where all the TOm Cruise can’t act crap is….

He was great in Magnolia, phenomenally great in that movie. His acting was superb in Eyes Wide Shut (I liked that movie too, but I love Kubrick, but regardless of your thoughts on that movie, Tom Cruise played his part well), he was phenomenally great both in the fantastic Rain Man, and he did a great job in Born on the 4th of July.

Tom Cruise can act…I haven’t liked many of his choices (Vanilla Sky, Minority Report, never saw the Mission Impossibles—though heard they were good), but as an actor he’s really good…

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by majoyenrac on Jul 28, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

surprised

no one mentioned the fact that tom cruise is a very very short man.

possibly even shorter than ben gordon!

the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS

by marionette on Jul 28, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a good amount of actors are short

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Jul 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bloggers too.

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not too worried, Simmons is an entertainer that often has good ideas and uses a lot of logic and humor in his articles. Unfortunately for us (as YFBB pointed out) he probably only saw the 7 game playoff series. It surprises me that he thinks Deng can replace BG (I’d think Simmons would be in love with BG after some of his offensive games in that series) but maybe he hasn’t seen Luol since 2007.

I also remember two years ago when Simmons said something like “Ray Allen, does that guy even have any ankles left?” when talking about Boston in the playoffs. Ray Allen always seems to be one of the better conditioned athletes to me, maybe not jet quick but I don’t see him getting embarrassed out there too often.

Point is, Simmons will miss and he missed here. Anybody that thinks we should stand pat all year with the ridiculous value to be had for a team in our position (expiring contracts, young talent, future picks, very profitable team, young star) is pretty crazy to me.

Just look at NO, a team rumored to have some of the worst cap problems. They are about to get Okafor for Tyson Chandler. That’s pretty insane to me, Okafor is such a better, proven and multi faceted player than the defense only Chandler. Paul makes him look nice with a few alley oops a game, but Paul could make my grandmother look like an NBA starter. The contracts are similar I believe, except Okafor has a few more years (he was reupped last year and I was hoping the Bulls might’ve tried to go after him for the 10-12 mil he was wanting then), so it’s not like NO is saving any money or taking back a ton of extra salary. There’s value to be had, whether it be getting guys like Camby for nothing, Okafor for very little (I mean would you really want Chandler on your team that much more than a Brad Miller?) or stars like Gasol for a steal, I think we’re going to see a lot more of this in the coming year or two years than we have in the past.

by RyPac13 on Jul 28, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Paul's

Not making the ridiculous shooting Peja look all that great. Posey took a back seat in NO, jULIAN Wright’s never figured anything out, MoPete’s dropped way down, Antonio Daniels has dropped way down….

Chandler’s a lot better when healthy than the spurned Bulls fans want to admit.

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by majoyenrac on Jul 28, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is Chandler a lot better than Emeka Okafor? I'm confused

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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 28, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say

A lot better than Okafor, I said Chandler’s A LOT better than Bulls fans want to think.

I think he and Okafor are essentially on the same plane. When Tyson’s healthy he’s a better defender and rebounder….and Okafor at least has 1 move to score, but isn’t nearly as athletic.

I think the fact that Tyson’s off the books 3 to 4 years sooner and in a what could be contract year also adds to it that Charlotte win’s early in my book….

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by majoyenrac on Jul 30, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

key statement there is "when healthy."

however, your other points are spot on. i hate the “great PG’s make other players better” argument. chris paul is a great player and a great point guard, but he doesn’t have some magical ability to turn the shit on his team into gold. as you astutely pointed out, he hasn’t made peja, posey, mo pete, rasual butler, sean marks, or melvin ely good players, which is why they struggled last year and lost a home playoff game by 58 points.

by Calogero on Jul 28, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

The when healthy is a big thing for Tyson….who I almost called Tyrus and might have above too similar in names for disapointing to date Bulls players (former and current).

But remember Emeka hasn’t always been a pillar of health either…

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by majoyenrac on Jul 30, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Posey is an older role player, Wright is young and if Lebron can’t make Wally look good I don’t think god himself could make Peja look good. (By the way Paul has made West and Butler look nicer than they would on most other teams).

Chandler is ridiculously athletic and big and when the biggest story about his offense is “if he doesn’t get a few alley oops a game he gets upset” you have an offensive liability.

There’s no reason why a guy like Kendrick Perkins or a guy like Gortat should be better on offense than Chandler. Just none.

I’m not saying Chandler is a bad player, he’s a pretty good defender and you at least have to guard him on offense b/c he’s good at getting put backs or wide open alley oops (he’s not as much of a liability as say Anderson Varajao), but he’s not nearly the player Okafor is. And he gets paid the same money too, so there’s no discount.

Chandler is overpaid and underdeveloped and has always played soft and without offensive confidence. Good defender, capable player but a disappointment for his salary/athleticism.

by RyPac13 on Jul 28, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Butler is a fine player, not the reason that team struggled.

by RyPac13 on Jul 28, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good use of the "reply" button

anyway, rasual butler is a below average player, always has been always will be, and he was the same below average on the heat that he is now with the hornets. check his numbers, they haven’t changed, chris paul hasn’t magically made him better. In fact, his career high in PER by far was the blistering 14.0 he put up in miami in 03-04.

by Calogero on Jul 28, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it’s not like NO was such a colossal failure either.

They’d of ranked 4th in the East last year. Not too bad for a team with two declining old guys (Posey, Peja), a defense only center who got injured (Chandler) and a few marginal but not great support players (Butler, Daniels, Wright, etc.). What does that leave you with? Paul and West.

It’s a shame everybody only thinks about the 58 point playoff loss (Chandler out, Paul injured, whole team looking like they were drained). Thank goodness the same people don’t seem to remember our great lineups last fall of Gray and Nocioni.

by RyPac13 on Jul 28, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you seem to have missed my point

all i said was that chris paul does not have the magical ability to make players better. i agree that all that they were last year was paul and west; my posts have been in response to your statement that “chris paul could make my grandma look like an nba starter.” i don’t think point guards make these other guys better, and have pointed out that posey, peja, butler, marks, ely, et al. have not played any better next to chris paul than they have elsewhere, which is why they only went as far as paul and west could take them last year.

by Calogero on Jul 28, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here we go again

Did you look at the bottom 5 teams in the West and their dreadful records and take into account that each Western team plays those horrid teams 1-2 more times that the East does? That’s a good 6-7 win difference to favor the West. The East had a better record than the West did last year, and the East made more dramatic changes int he 2nd half than the West did to make their teams even stronger.

East is tougher thant eh West overal these days, last year the East finally slightly pulled ahead with 3 legit contenders for the title to really the West’s Lakers one, and this year the moves the East has made should make them more clearcut favorites as the West again has some just horrid teams ont he bottom.

The Bulls trounced the Hornets both before and after the trade…..and we were hardly a great team by any stretch before the trade. I know they had injuries, etc…but losing that 58 point game says more than it all…

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by majoyenrac on Jul 30, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want to use PER numbers, lets talk about the Chandler/Okafor deal some more and throw in Paul.

Chandler’s PER has improved a lot since he moved to NO and it’s not like he didn’t have a chance on the Bulls.

Chandler’s PER was weak last season compared to Okafor’s. Okafor had a PG with about half the assists per game as Paul gets. People talk about Okafor’s health but he has played every single game in the last 2 years. Chandler is coming off of a very serious injury and didn’t even pass his physical when NO tried to trade him the first time.

I am sorry, but I clearly would rather have Okafor on my team than Chandler, unless I was an owner trying to sell a team and wanted to get rid of long term salary commitments. Since that has nothing to do with winning championships, games or improving your team, I want Okafor.

by RyPac13 on Jul 28, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if improving a lot

from his 16.4 2004-2005 to 17.5 in 2007-2008 is worthy of that.

Chandler’s been an injury guy….oft injured and a head case with Skiles hurt his last year here….

I would today rather have neither on our team and take Joakim Noah (probably the best of the bunch considering he can handle the ball, pass, defend, rebound, run the court like Chandler, and just has a high bball IQ). Okafor’s “offense” suddenly has become something since this trade happened, prior to that, Okafor and Offense equals block and the other team running back for an easy transition score…..I don’t buy that PR crap. I think this is a good trade and the fact that both are overpaid a bit for their production but one expires early is the clear cut winning thing….

Charlotte may be able to get Tyson for a lot less “AND” move on in perhaps 1 or more likely 2 years….

The NO Hornets are treading water a bit, though should if Okafor’s healthy stay around their 4th in the West level they would be if Tyson was healthy….

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by majoyenrac on Jul 30, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough, maybe I’m wrong, maybe Chris Paul doesn’t make people around him better. Can somebody with more statistical knowledge than I chime in here and put one of us in our place?

by RyPac13 on Jul 28, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you can win this one

with statistics. There’s no way to tell how a guy would have performed without Chris Paul and with someone like Hinrich. There isn’t enough of a sample size without Paul, and measuring how they do with a crappy backup instead of a league average one, doesn’t tell the whole story.

by runningman on Jul 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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