Boozer Trade Idea, Involving Bulls AND Heat
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 22, 2009 1:03 PM CDT
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Ok, I might get killed for this and I might not. I actually suggested it in a comment on a fanshot yesterday; however, now I'm getting used to the idea and liking it more and more..so... Without further adieu...
THE ULTIMATE BOOZER TRADE:
Chicago gets:
Michael Beasley and Mark Blount
Utah gets:
Miami gets:
Simple as that. Think about it. It's obvious that the Bulls aren't really that sold on Carlos Boozer as a player; if they're looking into him it's only to replace BG's scoring for one year and to gain increased flexibility for the (insert movie preview announcer voice here) "the summer of 2010." Why not retain that flexibility and get a power forward that's going to be a beast on offense for the foreseeable future?
Mark Blount is a bigger expiring contract than Jerome James, and if we can find a way to salary dump Hinrich this season to Portland in the fabled Blake + Outlaw trade then we will have room to sign a D-Wade, LeBron (yeah right) or, and most likely, Joe Johnson. That still gives us a young, solid line-up heading into the prime of Rose and Beasley's careers. Take a look:
PG: Rose
SG: Johnson
SF: Deng
PF: Beasley
C: Noah
Then we have some combo of Blake, James Johnson, Taj Gibson, possibly John Salmons or Outlaw (and another draft pick) coming off the bench.
Utah does this for the salary relief (according to ESPN Trade Machine this cuts $1 million off their payroll, plus Jerome James' expiring/insurance covered contract) and Miami does this for obvious Booze-ing reasons.
What do you guys think? I realize it's not the most ideal situation or what everyone was hoping for (i.e. Bosh or Amar'e) but I think it's an interesting idea that has not been talked about.
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any reservations, given that
if Miami gets Boozer that drastically increases the likelihood that Wade stays in Miami?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 22, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, I thought about that
and it was the biggest detractor to the deal. However, I don’t think that there’s a HUGE chance Wade comes here anyway and then there’s always the chance of Boozer staying true to form and ditching Wade just like he did LeBron.
If there’s someone else out there (Knicks, anyone?) who is banking on a max-contract free agent next year and is left out in the cold they might offer Boozer the max (in a Ron Mercer-like move) and he could just jet South Beach. At least I hope.
But again, you’re right, that’s the biggest problem with this proposal.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 22, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
though it would beef up the chances of getting Bosh
maybe?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 22, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
If we could manage to get Bosh AND Joe Johnson our line-up would be sick. Of course, that could only happen if we dump Hinrich and Salmons opts out. But then:
PG: Rose, Blake
SG: Joe Johnson, Outlaw (or some other random add-in)
SF: Beasley, Deng, James Johnson
PF: Bosh, Beasley, Taj Gibson
C: Noah, Bosh (if we’re going small), Asik
That would be a “final four” team, so hopefully if we had to pay the tax to get it done then JR would pay it. I have serious doubts though.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 22, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds great but
If you’re signing Bosh and Johnson to long term deals (not to mention Deng’s extensive contract), you won’t be able to sign Rose, Beasley and Noah.
Just an estimate but Bosh, Johnson, Deng and Rose would let alone be about 55 mil, right?
Beasley starting over deng??
short-term memory…..Deng is a very efficient 16/6 player and an above average defender. Beasley?
it is so frustrating that the best place to chat about the bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG......6 recs
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 23, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Beasley will be averaging 20 and 8 for the better part of his career in my estimation
he could top out at a 25 and 9 or Chris Weber-like player. I think his ceiling is much higher than Deng’s.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I see....I see....
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The Dude Abides
I see you conveniently forgetting to read key words in my comments
such as “in my estimation” and “I think.”
Are you saying you don’t see Beasley as a 20 ppg scorer at any point in the future? (warning: if you say you don’t you will appear more stupid than you already do)
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 23, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't
“see” anything, I’m not psychic. COULD he be? Of course.
Calling him Chris Webber at this point is a stretch.
Efficiency is key
I doubt that with Beasley’s attitude (the one reportedly ushering him out of Miami in the first place) will ever lead to him being an efficient 20/8 as you state. I would rather have a healthy deng for at least the next 2 years. Beasley won’t be a star. Neither will Deng. But..Deng will be a better teammate, role player, defender, etc. In my estimation, i think.
it is so frustrating that the best place to chat about the bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG......6 recs
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 24, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly...
And like I said the other day in a post, I’d be OK with Wade and Boozer growing old and crickety together in Miami if we had a chance to get the younger, less-often-injured Bosh to pair with Rose. In my eyes, I don’t think Boozer is a long-term solution and I think sticking him in Miami negates one realistic suitor for Bosh.
Would I rather have Wade or Bosh? Probably Wade, slightly, but I would not be disappointed with Bosh. I think we all have to hope that the Raps have a mediocre year, at best.
That would be a GREAT trade for the Bulls!!!
Beasley is a bit undersized but showed last season he has way more potential then Thomas. Beasley will be under his rookie contract through 2011-2012 so he is a bargain if he continues to improve. Miami appears not to like Beasley for some reason so why not take the opportunity to take him.
As far as being hesitant because of Wade, I don’t think we can make moves just to get him because he is likely to stay in Miami where he will get paid very well and pay no salary tax in Florida and he has already one a championship there. I don’t think he is going to change teams either way.
This deal frees up money for the Bulls in 2010 with a large expiring contract and due to the fact Beasley is going to be paid less than Thomas. Oh I wish this deal could be worked out. However, knowing the Bulls management team they will be content to do nothing be mediocre and rack in the money the fans provide.
Good thinking I don’t think it will happen but think it you should get a rec for originallity.
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Yes Please
I am a huge Beasley fan, Rose needs a running mate his age, not an old codger like Boozer likely to ditch him anyway….
And while Wade is awesome, he would come in and overshadow Rose.
I say we build around Rose with young talent (and that includes Deng, Noah and maybe Thomas too, if he would re-up for 5 at $25m or something like that)….
That would get me more excited than trying to sign one maxer and find affordable fill-in around that player and Rose.
I can be patient with that plan, and I don’t think you’d have to be THAT patient
I like it RichKarp
That’s an interesting and exciting suggestion. Rose, Beasley, Deng, Noah and maybe Thomas? Speed, energy, young and exciting players! Can’t beat that. Great suggestion RichKarp!
Beasley is a SF not a PF. His game is pretty much Carmelo version 2. I don’t why the Heat keep trying to shoehorn him into the PF position. That lineup would give up like 115 pts a game too.
Thomas is neither
I would suggest that Thomas is neither a pure PF and could never play SF due to his limited range. So I would rather have someone who could be capable at either position. And Thomas does block shots but is and has never been a good one on one defender.
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He's gonna be their starting 3 going forward.
He can’t defend 4s. They want him to be more perimeter oriented, but use his post skills vs. other 3s in mismatches.
Why on earth would the Heat give up Beasley in a Boozer deal if all it takes to get Boozer
is Tyrus and Jerome James? Surely, they can come up with a better deal than that and still keep B-Easy.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 22, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
I disagree
The heat have no talent to offer but Beasley. Haslem??? Who really wants him except a team that is at championship level and in need of a back up PF. I am not saying Haslem is a bad player but he is due to make over 7 mill this year and is a unrestricted FA next so would be a one year rental just as Boozer would be. Here the Jazz get about 1 mill off books this year a deal including Haslem would likely not save any money and they would rather Have Boozer than Beasley. So I think it comes down to the Heat have nobody that people would want except Wade (they will not trade him), Chamers (Jazz don’t need a PG), and Beasley. So if they want Boozer I don’t see how they would get him without trading Beasley.
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Rather have Boozer than Haslem I meant
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I will be shocked and impressed
if the Jazz work out a way to get Boozer without losing Beasley. I mean, mad props if they do; I just don’t see it happening. The key for the Jazz is to get a head-case out of the locker room (Beasley kind of fits that description) and to save money. The Heat can offer them no savings. This deal cuts $1 mil off their books this year and gives them another ~$6 mil in insurance money — effectively saving them $7 million dollars. That’s a lot of money, even in the NBA.
Sure, we could do this deal straight-up with the Jazz; but, I’d rather have Beasley than Boozer (I get the feeling GarPaxDorf feels the same way) and the Heat obviously covet Boozer.
Plus, how great would it be to see Boozer shun a 4 year, $50 million offer from the Heat to sign with the Knicks next summer for 5 years and $75 million then never play more than 20 games in a season? To me, that would be extremely entertaining.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 22, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Um, why?
Not that I don’t think Reinsdorf would like to see that also, but I’m pretty sure every Bulls fan would want to see that. I mean, come on!
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 22, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
in addition
Picks would have to change hands. I imagine the bulls would lose an unprotected 1st to the heat. It’d be great if this deal could be feasible, but it makes way too much sense for it to happen.
by jf111847 on Jul 22, 2009 3:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I like the way you put that...
“but it makes way too much sense for it to happen.” It seems like any time there is a possible deal that makes sense, which could help the Bulls improve it almost NEVER happens. In fact, without considering the one move that brought us Salmons/Miller the organization has not made a trade in the past 5 years that helped or could help the team improve. Deals that would even be financially feasible even seem to off put PaxDorf. I just don’t understand what is going on at the top of the organization at all. I know they are making a lot of money but is that the only thing having a franchise is about? Maybe for some but I think it will be a sad day when franchises focus strictly on money and pay no attention to the fans that put money in their pockets.
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Well, if it gets that far
then the money will dry up. ’Tis the (supposed) beauty of capitalism.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 22, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
it could be worse
as bulls fans we often see the worst case. looking back on the Miller/Salmons for Noc trade you have to think “what the hell were the Kings thinking?” Not only did we unload Noc’s contract (and Noc himself as a player) we also got two (if Salmons opts out) expiring deals. Think about it, this team could be “aiming” towards 2010 with Noc’s contract. That would be an impossible situation.
Salmon's isn't
opting out….why would he? see Boozer, etc. from this year. oops
I like this trade with ATL
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mxeklc
Bulls get: Joe Johnson
Hawks get: Tyrus, Salmons and J. James
I am not sold on that trade.
Reason being is I think Salmons would be a good player to hold onto and I am not sure he is going to opt out in 2010 he is due near 6 million and might not get the type of contract he is looking for in a FA class swamped with talent. Also, we could sign Salmons to a reasonable contract and it would keep a versatile player that can score on the team. Second we could have a real shot at signing Johnson next year via free agency and we would not need to give that type of talent up for a one year rental if did leave after next year.
The Dude Abides
Valid points
but, on the other hand, both Tyrus and Jerome James are expiring anyways. So either we sign JJ to a max deal next year or we have more money to go for D-Wade/Bosh/STAT whatever..
I do have to agree on the Salmons point though. Ideally, we would sign Johnson next summer, keep Salmons to backup the SG and SF spots (assuming we have Beasley at SF) and trade Deng for something valuable (a good replacement for Brad Miller?).
Ah, I can dream, can’t I?
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 22, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
With two "J. Johnson's" on the team, Neil Funk's head would explode.
Hey wait, that would be a good thing.
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by Granny Waiters on Jul 22, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
'oh my', funk.
I guess there is ONE good thing still about attending games in person :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus Thomas and Josh Smith on the same team? You must REALLY hate Mike Woodson.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I would do this trade,
so you get a “rec”.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
Miami would be very stupd to do this trade, IMHO
If it works out, though … err … yes. Yes this is a good trade. Very, very, very good.
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why talk trades
these trades never develope and are a waste of time talk about them when they happen
why comment
if all you’re going to do is denigrate an entire popular genre of discussion?
by torch on Jul 23, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah dude
don’t be such a downer. You’re obviously coming to this site because you want to read about the Bulls in the offseason; what else is there to talk about other than wishful-thinking-type trades? A Jannero Pargo signing?
I think we’ve covered that enough. Let the rest of us dream and “waste our time” doing it.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 23, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Let us have our fun/dreams.
Being a fan of a team that never does deals but is always rumored to be in deals we need to have our fun with them. At least give us that left shark. I don’t really think any of us think this deal will get done but we enjoy discussing how the team could improve or make a really sound trade. I don’t see anything wrong with that. And as Smash points out no one is making you read the post or comments.
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Only problem
that I see besides as someone said, Miami might prefer to not include the Bulls in this and deal directly with the Jazz cause they can possibly land Boozer while keeping Beasley is that I have no clue how in the world we would be able to resign Beasley/Rose once their rookie contracts are up if we grabbed one of those big free agents in 2010. I don’t have much doubt that Beasley/Rose are going to be about max contract players
I can see how the Bulls would not be necessary for the deal.
However, the Heat are NOT getting Boozer with Haslem and garbage. They would need to include Beasley in my mind. The Bulls could still be out of this deal. Even if the Heat included Beasley and an expiring contract they could get a deal done straight up with the Jazz. This, however, would not save the Jazz as much money as it would if they ran the deal through Chicago and picked up Thomas and James. They would save a million and some extra via luxury tax savings.
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