And the First Round Pick.. Is Nowhere to Be Found

by torch on Jul 22, 2009 11:37 AM CDT Comment 15 comments

In a previous fan post, T.O.E. implied that the Bulls management is incompetent based on the number of our draft picks since '99 that are currently on our roster. In a vacuum, only having 4 players out of 15 picks ('99-'08) sounds like a low number. However if you look at the league as a whole, we compare favorably on the number of our own first rounf draft picks retained.

The Bulls still have 4 of the 15 players they drafted over the last 10 years. Note: I'm accounting for draft day trades in my totals, so in '06 we drafted Tyrus and Thabo in the first round, not Aldridge. Here are all of the numbers from '99 - '08:

Some other interesting facts:

Only 7 of 115 first round draft picks from '99 - '02 are currently on the roster of the team that drafted them.
One sixth of the first round draft picks from '07 and '08 are not playing for the teams that drafted them.
Just above a third (36.6%) of all players drafted in these ten years still play for the teams that drafted them.
Only 17.4% of players on at least their second contract (drafted '99-'04) still play for the team that drafted them.

While we may have squandered some of our draft choices, our inability to keep our own draft picks is not the reason why we haven't gone far into the postseason these last 10 years. We're pretty average in the number of our own draft picks still on our roster. You can also see that there is little correlation between how many of your own draft picks you keep on the roster and how many wins you have.

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The thing is

The bulls lose theyre draft picks for nothing, we have nothing to show for Gordon…
other teams use there first round picks in trades and stuff

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by Faizamaze on Jul 22, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

That’s the main problem, other teams get stuff for their top 10 picks. We either let them go for nothing or trade them for PJ Brown.

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 22, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and then let PJ Brown go for nothing

by M 80 on Jul 23, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good stuff

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by chibullsfan03 on Jul 22, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good post, but

The reason why 4 of 15 is so bad is because nearly all those picks were in the top 10. Every year we thought “THIS is the guy! Here we go!” and a few years later he’s gone.

You can’t compare the retain rate of the Bulls (all top 10 picks) against the Mavericks (all bottom 10 picks) and say the Bulls are better at retaining talent.

by YaoPau on Jul 22, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs

agreed.

i’d be more interested in the retention of top 10 picks or something.

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by Jaina on Jul 22, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh, and sorting them by %age would make more sense...

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by Jaina on Jul 22, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

I was just writing the same thing, until I looked up and read your comment. If done in this way which seems more correct, it would put the retention rate for the dorf bulls appropriately near the bottom of the pack

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by exult463 on Jul 22, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In addition, a weighting measurement would needed to be applied to each individual first round pick

based on draft order to really show the mismanagement especially by the Bulls organization

by exult463 on Jul 22, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oops! I missed this comment

we definitely are on the same train today..

by exult463 on Jul 22, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I applaud the effort, but this doesn't really tell me anything

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by Sports2 on Jul 22, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Does anybody else subscribe to the idea that

there is no such thing as a “guy who will bust”, meaning the failures of Curry/Chandler/Fizer/Tyrus/Thabo/etc are just a result of not being developed properly?

Obviously some guys are better/worse than where they’re picked, but there’s absolutely no reason why Eddy Curry should have had the career he’s had. How does a guy like Darko – who nearly every GM had valued over Wade and Bosh – end up backing up Marc Gasol a few years later? With the right development, maybe he would’ve ended up better than Bosh…

It’s hard to do more than speculate – Darko doesn’t get a second chance to start his career. But when Bulls pick after Bulls pick underachieves (and we’ve had some HUGE talents come through in the last 10 years), maybe that’s more a result of terrible development than anything scouts or the player can control. (I have images of Pete Myers teaching post moves running through my head.)

James Johnson looks like he can play, and his combination of size, quickness, and vision seems pretty special. But like Crawford, and Tyrus, and Deng, and Thabo, he doesn’t know what a good shot is. I can see the Bulls completely screwing this up.

by YaoPau on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You should be more confident.

I know the Bulls are going to screw this up.
Oh well.

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by Prevenge on Jul 22, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs