Open Summer League Thread: Bulls vs. Timberwolves
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 19, 2009 4:30 PM CDT
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PrintKevin Arnovitz on James Johnson:
The Bulls have a project in James Johnson. He's capable of moving the ball, looks like a competent defender, but I don't think he's realized what kind of offensive player he is, wants to be, or the Bulls want him to be. He's 12 for his last 43 shots from the field, though he's managed 24 free throw attempts over that span.
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but I don’t think he’s realized what kind of offensive player he is, wants to be, or the Bulls want him to be.
Well, perhaps getting at least one actual NBA practice under his belt will help that a little. It’s SUMMER LEAGUE people!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
Yeah, but too bad it will be an NBA practice coached by...
Mike D’Antoni Vinny Del Negro! Woot!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
If I was JR I would much rather pay Vinnie Del Negro to coach than Mike D'Antoni!
D’Antoni is the most overrated/overpaid coach in the NBA. He will NEVER win a title in the league playing NO Defence! It has never happened before, & never will. So the Bulls are better off with Vinnie Del for now.
by Jesus Presley on Jul 19, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean they're better off with a coach who teaches even worse defense?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
even worse, in this case, actually equals "no defense"
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
NO Defence, for both but one coach get paid 4 times as much $$$$$$$!!!!!!
D’Antoni is worse!
by Jesus Presley on Jul 19, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He coaches better offense, that's kind of why he gets paid
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No has ever won with NO Defence!!!! D'Antoni will NEVER win in the NBA!!! Maybe when he coaches in Italy?
by Jesus Presley on Jul 19, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
if i recall
he was one robert horry cheapshot away from winning a championship a couple years ago. still pisses me off the way they was robbed
False, That was in the western conference playoffs. Not the finals.
by Jesus Presley on Jul 19, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
D'antoni will never win
The dude’s game plan is literally shoot a three every 8 seconds. That’s like trying to hit a home run every at bat, or throw a touchdown every play.
by robinhood on Jul 19, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Christ, do people even watch basketball?
You’re describing the Golden State Warriors under Don Nelson, that’s not how Phoenix played at all.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
Either 1st or 2nd in offensive efficiency every year since 2005, and now the revisionist history wants everyone to think they played wild, uncontrollable basketball.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 20, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
uh
yeah thanks, i know. the implication was that the suns would have beat cleveland in the finals. they swept the cavs easily during the regular season so i don’t think there’s really any question. i imagine most people reading this understood what i meant.
I dont' care
He’s a better coach than Vinny, that’s the point.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Not Really? The point is that If I was JR, I would not want to pay 4 times as much $$$$ for a bad cocch.
by Jesus Presley on Jul 19, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That's right. Just hire a bad coach for extreemly cheap
and then pat yourself on the back for being such a smart guy. Oh wait, I forgot to add a few !!! and ??? to help make my point.
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by cranscape on Jul 19, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Do you get extra points for winning with a cheap team?
Good coaches, just like players, don’t come cheap.
If Reinsdorf and his pathetic meritocracy didn’t want D’Antoni, they could have hired Flip Saunders, Rick Carlisle, Avery Johnson, Kurt Rambis, Tyrone Corbin, or a dozen other more qualified candidates for the head coaching job.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
No Extra points. I would be happy with Rick Carlisle.
But D’Antoni is not worth the money. They gave Vinnie Del a chance for cheap, but we all know that Vinnie is just for now.
by Jesus Presley on Jul 19, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
And Boylan is for later!
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
he will just be one of many young Bulls player with that problem.
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B.G is a $12millon backup!!!!! Hes gonna have to wait for Rip to get hurt, if he wants to start. OVERPIAD BENCH PLAYER!!!!!
by Jesus Presley on Jul 19, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet
10-1 BG starts. If he doesn’t shame on Detroit for spending that kind of money on a back up. That would be very sad day in Detroit BBall.
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Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
Yep.
I wouldn’t have said that a full year ago. But after last season, it is apparent that BG is going up and Rip is on his way down.
I think it's pretty clear that Sweet 16 is a SF.
He even has potential to be a point forward in stretches when Derrick is sitting.
I don't know if you just came up with that
or if it was someone else, but I’m lovin’ that nickname
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 19, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
That makes...........
2 of us. I think that either one of 2 things will happen. Noah, TT, Deng, and company will go at him hard and he’ll either man up or as someone said we’ll see his non chalant attitude…..VDN, won’t put up with lazy people who don’t give 110% into practice and on the court…just ask a few current and past bulls….
Hope the feed is good tonight….GO BULLS, we can end this at 3-2
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James Johnson highlight reel vs. the Knicks
courtesy of the RealGm board.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
nice find, thanks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 19, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
At this point, he appears to be a poor-man's Carmelo
I like. If he could lose a few pounds, it seems to me like he has some seriously great potential. His handle and play-making ability appear to far exceed Lu’s. Those highlights, to me, make it seem like he’s way more of a 3 than a 4. His perimeter skills are way too good to be wasted at PF, IMO.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Well, he doesn't seem afraid to push the ball and attack the defense.
Which is good. I like him a lot more now after watching those clips. But you know that he will be playing the 4 in Vinnyball. Lu at the 3 and JJ at the 4, even though he is a small forward. Maybe we could play TT at the 5! :) small Small Ball. Damn you VINNY!!!!
We're going to have a bunch of old squabbles like we did with Noc at the 4
VDN is going to play JJ at the 4 and if his perimeter shooting is weak he and VDN are going to get pummeled in the comments here.
JJ is not a 4. He’s a SG that is way to big to play the position so he plays SF. He wants to handle the ball.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 20, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
LO handles the ball and is way to big to play SG.
Lebron and Hedo too. I’m not saying JJ is in their class. Frankly right now, I don’t like JJ until he proves he is better than DeJuan. But there are others his size that have shown it can work.
His game is so much like Pierce and Salmons
He takes the same long strides after he gets off that quick first step to get his defender on his hip.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 20, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I see a lot Pierce
in his game too. The big body and the attack mentality along with his handle. If he keeps that attack mentality and gets to the rim, he will get to the line a lot. He crossed somebody over in one of those games and got all the way to the rim for a dunk. Other than Rose, we don’t have a guy that can do that.
Roberson with a double dribble after a nice steal
and get’s T’d UP!
Bulls 2 MIN 5
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That crossover James Johnson put on Hill was ridiculous yesterday….that was a definitely a small forward move!!! He is definitely not a power forward…..
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions
I agree. PF in small ball, maybe, but that would be a waste of his skills.
Dude is clearly a SF.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
I think the great thing about Johnson
is he looks like he can play with Deng or Thomas effectively. I think he can be really good with Deng because of his ability to pass and create for other guys. Deng needs that to be effective.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm excited to see lineups of
Rose/Salmons/Johnson/Tyrus/Noah
and
Rose/Salmons/Johnson/Deng/Noah
The first is pretty damn athletic, with three guys who can create their own shots, and the second would be a very good small-ball lineup that could be effective in spurts. And you’re right – Johnson seems to be a very solid passer. Deng could benefit from that with his cutting ability if they are ever on the floor together.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
WHY, WHY, WHY?
Yes, that move yesterday was freakish……but he just shot a 3 point brick……….I’m hoping he’s just doing this because it’s summer league. We’ll see….
Bulls 9 Min 11
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NBA should seriously refund money.
these feeds are awful
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I'm already asking for a refund
The live streaming has been awful. The recorded ones seem better. You’d think Comcast would broadcast these games. What the hell else are they showing?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 20, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Lets see if
Augustine can get a few buckets with JJ off the floor. Honestly, Augustines done a heck of job this SL even though they run zero plays for him and he basically is cleaning up the boards and working hard to get his points!
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Roberson
with back to back buckets………..
Bulls 16- Min 15
Bad pass from Green, he shouldn’t be on the floor…..
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Roberson can really shoot
He will make some Italian league team very happy next season.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions
Flynn and Ellington in the game now
Flynn has been pretty impressive thus far in summer league
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions
I was really hoping we'd get Ellington with our 2nd pick
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
i was hoping they picked at least 1 guard
Ellington was definitely on the short list.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanted him or Danny Green
Toney Douglas would have worked as well. Meh.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Sweet god
I’ve never seen a more selfish guard than Roberson.
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It's summer league
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Now we get ....
to have a look at Ellington. We’ll see how he does. Despite the Bull’s lack of transition D, they’ve held Mr. Flynn in check throughout the first…..nice job. You can tell it’s the last game, Roberson is just launching anything and everything…..he does have 8 after 1 I think….
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Bulls up 20-17
This is the best thread all summer league……I only see one possible addition besides the two rookies…….that might be Augustine but I don’t know about him either because I’m still feeling the heat from when he scored 0 points in the championship game against N.C. He was shut out by Sean May who may not even be in the league next year!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions
Ha HA
I feel your pain……tough loss that I still get a little emotional about from time to time BUT Augustine has put in madd work and is a controlled player who knows his role. He could give us 10-15 solid minutes off the bench and a body on the floor if Deng gets a cold or TT forgets where he is. He would be WAY more productive than Gray giving ass slaps every night. I might be a little bias being an Illinois fan but Augustine has played well despite the guards and JJ getting most of the touches.
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What is GREEN doing playing?
I’ve seen him miss every shot and turn the ball over 3 times in less than 5 minutes……..WoW.
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Is that Tyrell Biggs?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Robeson
I can’t blame him for chucking because this might be his last time to impress making a team….I don’t see any room for him on the Bulls roster!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions
JJ And-1
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Johnson will be better playing with better teammates
these guys don’t pass, miss open jumpers and are basically all around chuckers
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
Yes,
I imagine as stated earlier that his teammates will push him pretty hard and I see him naturally through practice and dedication loosing weight and figuring out his role as a player. I really don’t think he even knows where he fits in. I pray VDN will help him and not hinder him which could really happen. It’s scary.
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Yeah, these guys are worse than his college teammates
Aminu, Teague, etc.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Not Roberson
But I tell you what…..Nelson looks like he could play a solid back up PG. He’s explosive and can get his own shot…..a must have in the NBA….
Ellington just scored on a reverse….
Bulls 29 Min 26 MUCH better game than yesterday so far. Let’s hope it continues….
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Why does the announcer think JJ is going to have a hard time cracking the lineup….I have a hard time believing that!!! He’s already the backup to Deng in my book…..I also think from watching a few games here that he may eventually be a better ball player than Deng…..might already have Deng in the toughness and mental part of his game!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions
I agree....
on your first idea that he’ll crack the line up. I think it’s strictly dependent on him. How well he learns the playbook, how well he develops on D, how well he can transition into HIS role not what he wishes he was. Also his attitude will play a big role and how much dedication he shows. This is the NBA and he’ll have to prove himself.
I’d have to 100% disagree with you about comparing JJ to Deng. Are you crazy? Deng’s shot outside of 12ft will burry JJ and Deng is quicker and more of a slasher…….not too mention a seasoned player in the league who players better D. I think we are all in a state of not knowing what to think of Deng as he has been injured so much the last 2 seasons BUT he was performing very well in Feb. and from what mgt says he’s been working hard and should be ready to go so this will be a year where we can evaluate Deng and see where he’s at. With that being said, Johnson could end up being better than Deng but why assume when he’s never even played an NBA game. The jury’s still out.
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Not to mention that Deng is already one of the better rebounding SFs in the game (when healthy)
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Deng's Rebounding
Is another reason JJ & Deng could play together. I have always thought longterm Deng was more of a 4 than a 3.
JJ at small forward?!?!
I think the bulls envision JJ as a small forward also because they have him guarding 2 guards already!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions
he's been guarding 2 guards all summer league
but I think its because a lot of teams have been playing 3 guard lineups.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Ellington
is on fire…….Flynn to Ellington for a sweet jumper………
Bulls bringing their own heat though and are still leading 33-28
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It's so funny
that you can hear the crowd so much easier being in a small gymnasium…….
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Who is this Zeller kid?
Zeller has a nice stroke…..too bad we have a big man who can shoot in Brad Miller already!! He will make it in this league if he can bulk up some!!! Is that the brother of the Zeller kid from UNC!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, it's his older brother Luke, I believe
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
We should have signed Nelson instead of Hunter
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
it pisses me off that they didn't
nelson can actually come in and play if someone gets injured
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
and he's a very good defender with a massive wingspan
…and cheap. and young. ugh.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Must not have sparked a friendship with Rose.
That is a guards main role on our team.
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by cranscape on Jul 19, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only thing Hunter does well nowadays
is take the ball out of bounds. He can’t really stay with anybody anymore on defense, he can’t shoot, he can’t create for others. What a waste of a roster spot. I’d much rather see a young guy with some promise have that spot like Nelson or any number of other guys. At least Nelson can come in and guard somebody, he gets to the basket, is very athletic and may help on the boards. Hunter gives you nothing at all but a teacher for Rose which he could do OFF the roster.
JJ AT SMALL FORWARD!!!!
GREAT PASS FROM JOHNSON!!!!!!!!!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions
LOL
Defensive three-seconds?!?!
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Arnovitz tweet:
Here’s what Johnson does well: Grabbed board, raced full length of the court, then delivered pass on the $ to a cutting Nelson. Very Odom.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
good pick at 16
I haven’t seen 16 rookies better than JJ yet……he has a good all around game from what I have seen….Tyrus should be watching him and realize he can’t do these things!!! Hey
Tyrus YOUR POSITION IS POWER FORWARD….BULK UP SOME AND DEAL WITH IT!!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe but I would say
Blake and Tyreke are 2 that have played way better. I think we’ve got a glimpse of what JJ could be. We’ll see how he evolves over the next few months….he’s certainly not a top performer in the SL by any means.
He’s 29th in pts. at 16.3, still behind Budinger….and a gang of others who went before him
He’s 18th in rebounds at 7.0 behind Blair AND Augustine
He’s 21st in assist with 3.5/game which is awesome.
No doubt, he has numbers so that is good because there’s room for improvement…..we’ll see.
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seriously
remember how much bigger horace got after a few years in the league? i love TT but i’d like to see him hit the weights and not worry about shooting 700 practice jumpers a day
Horace was a workout beast, I don't think Tyrus has the same mentality to get huge
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Horace was still skinny after his third year in the league, and he was a couple of years older
at that point. The difference between Horace in his 4th season, 90/91 and his 6th season was pretty dramatic.. Horace didn’t start out as a workout beast, and he never added much bulk until he got into his mid to late twenties.
WOW
I am envisioning Rose, JJ, and Tyrus on the break together…..that is guaranteed highlight material….someone is liable to get dunked on!!! U won’t be able to take that tape away Lebron!!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions
That's FuNNY
Skip Lebron……corporate lady now, worried about the wind blowin his skirt up. I’ve totally changed my view on him. He’s a beast but that doesn’t mean I have to root for him anymore as a person.
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Why would the Bulls resign Hunter before summer league?!???
why wouldn’t you give yourself a chance to evaluate Nelson? The Bulls sometimes make absolutely no sense to me.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
you mean NEVER make no sense?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Everyone is on the Nelson bandwagon after just summer league!!?!? I may be one of the few who still prefers Hunter……haven’t we had enough DUKE ballplayers!!!! Brand, Deng, Duhon, maybe Boozer, now everyone wants Nelson…..no more please!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions
Not Just Because....
I think we are all evaluating what we are seeing. If you can only have so many players on your bench and they are supposed to be filled with players that will help you win. Give me 2 good reasons why a 40 year old (almost) is going to help me win (and please don’t mention his role as a leader…hire him as a coach if then)….compared to a hungry young guy who can run an offense with sound decision making, scoring, and hustle on D? Hunter averaged 3 pts. last year. You think Nelson could average more than that coming off the bench to help a team get better. You better pray that HH or Rose don’t get hurt….you don’t want LH running anything cuz he’d be running out of breath. Sorry……but that’s what it is.
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Nelson can't run an offense with sound decision making and scoring in the NBA.
He’s still not an NBA ball handler or scorer. No energy has to be wasted getting Hunter to play correctly. Is it the greatest move in the world? Of course not, but the difference between Hunter and Nelson is marginal in the NBA.
I think Hunter proved last season that he is done playing in the NBA
he no longer has the quickness to stay in front of anyone, his legs are gone. Nelson isn’t some superstar, but as your 3rd string point guard, I think I’d take the guy who is bigger, stronger, younger and at this point in their careers is a better defender. If either has to get minutes, the Bulls are screwed. But all things being equal, i’d take the young guy.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
DUKE BALLPLAYERS
Duke ballplayers do not make the best NBA ballplayers….and no I’m not a Tarheel fan!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions
6-0 Run for Min
……ok, lets play some D and quit throwin up the ball.
JJ Only 2 pts but 3 assists…we’ll see if he can get into a groove as he did yesterday.
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Ewwwww.
JJ sucks. For now.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Harris
Just picked JJ…..out there trying to be all flashy and dribble like MJ….Ha Ha…….I’m glad his game is getting exposed……from that angle. Hopefully someone will step up and talk some reality to him.
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Bulls
haven’t even scored yet in the second half. Out scored 9-0 so far. Tied at 43.
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Johnson is going to cause major problems for smaller forwards in the game!!! He has made a few bone headed decisions but I do feel he will only get better with…uuuuum….good coaching!!! That really hurt to say!!! Good coaching is hard to come by on this team though!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions
James Johnson
definitely seems to let the game come to him.
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JJ with the pull up jumper!!!! Yes!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions
JJ taking over now.
His midrange game is solid. It’s just the three point shooting that makes ya cringe.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
JJ has
10 with a nice jumper. When it goes in…(only 37% from the floor all SL) it looks beautiful, when it doesn’t you close your eyes like you do with Thomas. He also takes a while to get his shot up…..I think the NBA plays faster and he will rush his shot more even worsening his already horrible FG%
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Sick interior pass by JJ
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Johnson against Ellington
Johnson made an unbelievable pass underneath for a 3 pt. play….NICE but then Ellington spots up for a 3 down the floor!
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JJ AT SMALL FORWARD
Very nice pass indeed!!! I’m liking Biggs too!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions
JJ AT SMALL FORWARD!
Johnson is too strong for Ellington
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:21 PM CDT reply actions
Again, 0 ponts for JJ
in first half but has scored in the 2nd half by getting inside NOT shooting jumpers (made 1)….No he’s not a power but more of a hybrid that can pass, slash, and hit a open 12ft’r. If he can realize that this is where his game is at for now, he’ll do fine. I hope so because when he operates in this fashion good things happen. I think that because BG is gone this year, we’ll see more ball movement and more unselfish play from everyone which I hope will bring out the best in players like TT DR, and hopefully JJ and Taj as well.
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Arnovitz:
Johnson a LOT more active. Driving from the elbow. Getting at it underneath. Tough fouls (which you kinda want to see from that guy in SL)
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
and...
J. Johnson is a different player today. Beating MIN’s slower defenders off the dribble. Passing — yes — but only when it makes sense.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
JJ at 16th pick!!!
I think JJ is going to be a better ball player than Beasley!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions
because of summer league?
did you forget what beasley did to the bulls in the first summer league game last year? he owned tyrus, noah and gray inside
"PS: This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated." - Mitch Hedberg
Nelson and Duhon too similiar.....Duhon is actually better!
All you Nelson fans….I have seen him get the blow by treatment a lot this game…..just can’t take another Duke ball player…..if you pick up Nelson you should have just kept Duhon!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions
But
we didn’t need Duhon that time with Selof, Gordon, KH…..we dont have Gordon and KH has been talked about in trade rumors….totally different situations…you can’t keep someone just because. I was actually sad to see Duhon go because I liked his game. He was inconsistent but then again he didn’t get a lot of minutes…
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Boozer sucks!
Sucksssss
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
Johnson looks to be a really good passer
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Your Right
…Duhon is better than Nelson but is also more experienced and haven’t gotten enough playing time. He’s not as good defensively but a way better at creating his own shot and is much quicker…that you can’t deny. I think you just hate Duke player’s :-)
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No i just think because Coach K gets everything out of his ball players that most of them that stay 3 or more years reach their ceiling by the time they make it into the league….Nelson is power forward in a point guard body….just not very smooth to me!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions
I got you
but he’s quick as hell and explosive. That actually gives him an advantage over other pg’s…..that’s what should be made clear about him. Your statement about players reaching their ceiling at Duke does have a little bit of merit, point taken!
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Nelson with the poster jam!!!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Yet another fantastic pass by JJ
He’s got potential to be a great 2nd facilitator on the court behind Rose.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Flynn
is a tough dude though. I like his game. He will only get better. He looks to pass first which is good for his game. He’ll learn when to turn it off/on.
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NICE!!!
although that was on the little 5’10 guard Flynn
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions
Only if Kirk wasn't here!!!!!!!
If we didn’t have Kirk I would definitely give Nelson a look!!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
We're gonna be all right
Tuning in for the second half, this is the first SL game I’ve watched. JJ is a little out of control and careless with the ball at times, but he still looks to me like the best player on the floor. Looking like a good pick at 16. Let’s remember this guy is a rookie and will definitely get smarter and better.
I think we’ll be a fun team to watch this season and that we’ll improve over last. We’ve got a super athletic lineup, one of the best point guards in the league, and a very solid bench. If we can defend a little and get reasonable improvement from a few of our young guys we’re going to win some games.
Very psyched about JJ’s passing and quickness. I understand the Pippen comparisons. (Not getting ahead of myself—clearly I know he has a long way to go.)
But yeah, I think it’s gonna be a fun season.
What is JJ doing?
Trying to foul with 30 seconds left? Odd……he need’s help but this is what SL and rookies are all about. We were blessed with Rose and have raised the standard on all our rookies….which isn’t a bad thing.
Flynn….WOW……something to remember. Nice…preview for 2010 Slam Dunk Comp.
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Hey bluediamond?!?
I think you have something against JJ…..what is it?
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions
The "reply" button is your friend
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
IF
you’ve read my comments about him, I’ve praised him and tried to give my honest opinion about where he needs improvement. It’s called an honest evaluation. I’ve never been one-sided on JJ…read the posts.
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There is a glint of bias...
when you make the asinine comparison between ranked stats of summer league games when someone says they haven’t seen 16 better rookies.
Ok,
but a generalization is exactly that and stats are exactly what they are. If you say you haven’t seen 16 better player’s maybe I have and stats don’t lie regardless of the other variables involved. That was my only point. Bias means that you single someone out and have a general like/dislike towards something or someone….I’d invite you to look at all of my post and then comment. As with anything you have folks that are on or off. I’m both and tend to evaluate talent based on the stats they provide me. Not bias or anything else. I want JJ to an instrumental part of what we do and think that he can be but so many other factors play a role. Some of you act as if SL is a preview of the NBA season. There’s a reason why the D-league was invited and why you won’t see 1/3 of these players start on an NBA team…..
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If you really believe...
that stats don’t lie, then I am sorry to inform you but you operate with an inherent bias.
Duke Fan?
Are you a Duke fan on the low!!!!!??? :-)
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions
I’ve just heard more negative talk about him than positive….that’s all!!!! More praise has gone to that bum from Duke than him and I just don’t see all the hype surrounding him….
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions
GREAT WIN
The Bulls lost their first 2 but improved with each game which is a great sign. Ended Summer League at 3 wins against 2 losses and that’s 3 wins in a row. I’ll have to check but I believe that only 4 other teams have won 3 straight in SL.
I think we got a good look at JJ and have an idea as to his strengths and weaknesses but he can be a good player so I wish him the best as do I wish Taj the best who showed up in game one with a double double……..
Thanks for everyone for contributing tonight. Hopefully we’ll have some top of mind topics to discuss in the coming weeks. We can take a lot of positives from Summer League and while we can’t go back and choose our picks again, we have a better feel for their skill level and what their potential role could be on our team.
Nelson came on strong and I feel Augustine did a great job. JJ was spectacular at times and showed us why we drafted him. He’s a rook so he has a lot to learn and a lot of hard work to put it. I’m not worried about JJ, I’m worried about VDN and can he put this team and it’s players in a position to IMPROVE on last year??? Time will tell.
Final Score: Bulls 93 Min 85 Way to GO BULLS!
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by bluediamond on Jul 19, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
JJ AT SMALL FORWARD!!!!
GREAT EVALUATION THOUGH!!!!
by chitownsfinest79 on Jul 19, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
I was at the game in Vegas
and nelson impressed me as well as JJ. Near the end Nelson drove past his defender and ducked over one of the T-Wolves big men. JJ really turned it on towards the end of the game by posting his man up down low.
JJ also had some nice passes and showed that he is capable handling the ball. JJ is a good rebounder and has the size to bang with PF’s. With all that being said Deng is eons beyond JJ. If Deng would have played against that competition he would have dropped like 60 pts. Pax was sitting in the stands with several members of the Bulls staff mostly on his blackberry working on hopefully a trade.
Homecoming
Johnson
could use some work on the jumper, but that’s not the worst thing in the world. I’m impressed by his passing, he runs the floor well for a 4 but average at best for a 3. All in all from what i’ve seen I’m excited to have him on our team. Oh and there are plenty of solid duke players In the NBA. And why should that even matter when all we were looking for was a 3rd string pg.
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