Why I am Excited for Next Season...or...That Horrid Thing Called Hope
A while ago there was a post about why we (we being the members of this blog) were Bulls fans. The most accepted answer ended up being Geography...but the truth is that was never the reason any of us are bulls fans...not really.
The atmosphere on this site has been completely cynical, enough so that posters are whining about posters whining. But theres also something else that I've noticed about this website recently...theres been alot of activity on the site lately...
Why is that? Why are there more people posting more things on this site this offseason, as opposed to any of the other offseasons in the past? If the team is doing so bad, if the team is growing worse day by day, with no light at the end of the tunnel, then why do people persist on posting? Doesnt it simply make sense to just stop posting, stop paying attention, divert attention to your second best team, follow your favorite player (ben gordon fans) or favorite superstar? Its not like non of that is possible what with the ability to stream or download games, and its the offseason....only die hards follow their teams or players in the offseason. So then the question comes again, why are we fans....no....die hard fans....of this poorly run, cheap, emotionally attached team? The answer: This horrid thing called hope....
Whether this community will admit it or not, we all have high hopes for this team, even in its current state. Blame John Paxson (oh wait...we pretty much do) for showing us that even a crappy team with no real star and less talent can fight and claw with the best of them. We all know though, we arent a less talented team without a real star. This team even in its current state, is just as good as the 2006 team.
Or so i believe...
And i wish for you to believe...
I agree that losing ben gordon hurts this team a lot offensively. I wasn't a huge fan of ben gordon, but I understood what he brought to this team...he was a game changer. He could single handedly bring back a team on brink of death, he was the only one who could step on another teams throat (or rather stab them through the heart with a 3 pt Dagger) but that doesnt mean this team joins the lottery automatically.
Its called a leap of faith...and i am free falling...
There are so many what ifs, who can accurately predict anything? Statistics are a great way to predict the future but somtimes there are things that stats dont predict. A player like John Salmons couldnt shoot for anything a few years ago, and suddenly he is having his best shooting season out of nowhere. Is that an outlier, a fluke, some statistical noise prevented it from being predicted? Whatever is the cause of his sudden offensive outburst, i believe in it.
Lets consider the bulls roster in its current state:
First lets talk about Kirk Hinrich. Its no secret that I am a huge Hinrich fan. As a Hinrich fan ive realized that theres nothing i want more than for Hinrich to go to Portland. He will instantly become a star there (I think he already sort of is) and helps that team go over that huge per. defensive hurdle that existed last season and make them a contender. As a bulls fan I am indifferent about Hinrich's fate. Whether he stays or not i dont think truly has that much hold on the bulls fate. As a Hinrich fan i believe that kirk hinrich is probably working heavily on his jumper, though he will never hit ben gordon like ability to shoot the ball, having a much more consistant jumper (he shot 43% this year on pretty much all jumpshots, which isnt horrible) is definetly possible since in his best season he shot close to 45%. His defense may not be spectacular 1on1 but Hinrich definetly helps the team defensive scheme mainly because he can pick up most switches on the per which allows the interior defense more ability to stay in tact, with tyrus and noah showing great ability on defensive end last year i can see hinrichs involvement on defense to truly help the team defensive scheme a great deal more than it did last year (more because of the return of deng and noah and tyrus having more of a handle on team defense). As a bulls fan, i am hoping hinrich plays well, even if not up to extent of what i wrote above, because i want portland or other teams intrested in him to be EVEN MORE intrested, thus allowing us to get something more than just instant cap relief (rudy?)
Then there is public enemy number 2, Luol Deng. Just two years ago luol deng was being considered by many experts as one of the best small forwards in the game. A guy who really brought back the art of the midrange game, and was heralded for his ability to move without the ball. This year Luol Deng was bothered by nagging injuries (which the doctors told him to play through?) and an unfamiliar play scheme by a rookie coach that seemed to have no room for the sf. Luol Dengs game took a hit, however recently i was watching some of the games from earlier this season, Against toronto and cleavland, and i was reminded that luol deng really is a good player. I dont think anyone thinks that 2006 was a fluke for luol, but more the question was could he stay healthy. I think with the addition of john salmons the bulls were able to put Luol deng on a true healing process (damn that word) which will bring him back 100% next season. With so much time to heal, work on his jumper, and learn how to get his shots off in vinny's system (if such a thing exists) luol should be back in true form. If that becomes the case, luol (for at least 3 quarters) can supply alot of the offense and attention ben gordon did.
Derrick Rose is a stud, but can anyone tell me what his ability is going to be next season. his ability to slash to the rim is amazing, how many times did we believe he got fouled when he didnt. Getting to the free throw line is one of the ways the greats scored so many points, take Dwayne wade as an example. Wade led the heat during the 05 championship by living at the line. Although D. Rose may not have the complete arsenal that wade now does, he does have that same tenacity that wade (and also jordan) had, which was going at the defense. Again, its hard to tell how much rose will improve next year, but with gordon gone, i fully expect rose to try to take over on the offensive end, and i dont think thats as large a leap of faith as my thoughts on hinrich are.
The bulls bigs have the second most ammount of potential on this entire bulls team. Both tyrus and noah showed huge strides from the season before, more apparent from noah. Tyrus seems to be putting things together, and with all the talk about the bulls needing a pf (or drafting TWO) thomas should (if he has any desire of returning to the bulls) have his most focused season yet. Especially with Noah finally getting a taste of what winning in chicago feels like, i am sure tyrus can finally find some allys to help him grow more focus going into the next season. Both tyrus and noah have shown great ability in terms of hustle and defense, and the two of them together and focused, thats one strong defensive front court and a great rebounding one to boot!
With my expectations for the rest of the team to be fairly similar to what they produced this past season (for the rookies, anything they contribute is a plus) i dont see how team cant be exciting to watch. Although ben gordon may be gone, I still am excited to see how each of the individuals above do next season, instead of trying to guess who fits with rose and who doesnt, next season is the chance for the entire league to find out what rose can do as well as the rest of the roster. If nothing more, next season's trade deadline will be super duper exciting, since by that time it will become apparent what the bulls are and what they should try to be, plus having a team with focused players, each individual players stock should rise up quite a bit.
Ultimately next season truly excites more than perhaps any other season this decade, but i suppose it may all be because of that horrid thing called hope....but i dont have to tell you about it....you already know....
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Hey Matt
If this fanpost seems too long or blah to you, you can delete it…i just really wanted to type up what i felt and get it off my chest….and i apologize for all of it in advance…i ask that you do read it before you make a decision….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 15, 2009 3:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Practically an off the cuff quip compared to what Pookey posts over at Sactown Royalty.
If this fanpost seems too long
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 15, 2009 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you ,Piccolo.
How many times we were screaming last season:“Derrick,take it over!”
I think he’s gonna really take it this season with BG gone.
If only Bulls owner had 10% of Mark Cubans’ passion for his Own(!) team…
But you are right Hope is there:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW4UFPgmg_U
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Jul 15, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on all but Thomas
I think the Bulls will be able to squeeze into the playoffs with the current roster. I loved what Noah did last year especially what he did in the playoffs. Anyone remember that late steal then coast to coast SLAM and one against the Celtics?? I do man what a play he is someone that I want on my team. Thomas??? He is a different story, he lacks the all out hustle Noah has, takes bad shots at in opportune times, turns the ball over when he dribbles, blocks shots but many times struggles to cover his man one on one, can not score with his back to the basket, very inconsistent (so much so he was benched for LONG periods in the playoffs and I do not blame VDN for that I blame Thomas for his erratic play). I say we focus on trying to get a proven PF and trade Thomas if needed. I have heard the concerns about picking up Boozer and I agree with many of them. However, I think Boozer being in a contract year will bring his “A” game for a whole year and if he does that it could equal 20+ and 10 that is something I could live with. But he is hurt too often a bit undersized and not the best defender so I can understand why some would be hesitant.
by Savage23 on Jul 15, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
have some hope
from the other optimist fanpost
tyrus had a couple of big runs, for a total bust. 9 straight double digit reb games from jan 25 to feb 12. that’s 15.5/9.6 in 34.1 min leading into the break and the trade. from mar 17 on into and including that first playoff game (where he won it with jumpers in o.t.) on apr 18, he had 13 (of 16 games) with double figure rebounds, 14.8/7.4 in 32.7 min.
bulls went 27-22 for their last 49. in those where tyrus played 28+ mins, they went 20-12. that leaves 7-10 for the team when he played <28, including 23 (blowout win vs hornets) and 27 (the next night win, st. patty’s day revenge vs celtics, 10-13 fts).
i think it’s interesting to compare with everybody’s fav noah, keeping in mind that tyrus is 1/2 year (or the length of an nba season) younger, and if he doesn’t play 28+ minutes in those games, the bulls undoubtedly don’t ever even get to meet the celtics. where noah definitely picked it up a couple notches.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 16, 2009 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a link to my comments, with player game log links (more links! yeah!)
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 16, 2009 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never said total bust
I never said Thomas was a total bust. In my mind he is a good to very good player to come off the bench provide some energy and spark. However, he is not a starting PF for a contender and I think my point will be proven in the years to come if we do not find a true PF to start for us. Thomas is not the answer for us at starting PF. That is not to say he is a total bust or way below average. His play is way to sloppy and inconsistent in my mind to have him on a team that desperately needs composure and consistency.
by Savage23 on Jul 16, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I forgot
You mention meeting the Celtics. Where was Thomas during some of those very important games? On the bench… Why? Because he was playing very sloppy and being very inconsistent. He had one maybe two games above average and the others I feel he hurt our team when he was on the floor.
by Savage23 on Jul 16, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't intend
to be contentious. …“have hope…”? watch the games again, look at the game logs. stop pitting the players against each other. don’t join with the evil forces: “man bulls fans are freaking awesome… you guys hate portland almost as much as your own team. almost” – coconut pete ;-)
my post was merely a copy of part of a response i made to another poster, in another thread. for tyrus, it comes back to the same old points. yeah, he’s inconsistent and will probably always be (amare?), just hopefully less so with experience. if the team won 55% of their last 49 games, 63% when he played 28 or more minutes and 41% when he played less, i’d be inclined to play him more and live with “inconsistency”. either he gets better, or he’ll not be back next year, right? ergo, patience is a “win”, for both fans and haters!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 16, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strong opinion on one player is not hate for team
Look just because you are a fan does not mean that you must be happy with the complacency we have had in the past 10 years. Patience is not exactly a win. If we wait on him as we did with Gordon we lose some talent without gaining any in return via a trade. I would have no problem keeping Thomas as a backup PF. However, then we need to sign via free agency or attain another starting PF. It is the same back and forth apparently you think Thomas can become a starting PF for a contender. I strongly disagree. Most players show what type of player they are going to be by the completion of their third year. Will Thomas magically grow taller or suddenly attain a basketball IQ in his fourth year. Its questionable. How long do you want to wait to be paid off 4 or 5 years? I think the Bulls finally know what they have in Thomas and hopefully will make a move this or next year to provide the team a true starting PF.
The Dude Abides
by Savage23 on Jul 16, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry dude
once again, there’s so much tyrus negativity here i made a bit of a leap with the “haters”. not meant to be specific to you, but what would you describe it as, in a word, when it comes to tyrus? you think he’s not a starter, i think he is, since they won much more often with him playing 28+, since he hasn’t started often in his career ‘til recently, and since he and noah haven’t been used together much either.
as has been discussed here before, tyrus’ stats are comparable (most slightly worse, but some better) to lma’s on a per minute basis. lma has 179 nba starts, tyrus 92. 7000+ minutes to 4400+. yet you want to move him for a “true starting pf”. well, i don’t know who that would be, and i’d say i’m all for it as well. but it seems fairly hypothetical to me. i mean, i don’t think portland wants a re-do!
with tyrus, it’s better to just abide, i say. and play him and win!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 17, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His stats are as follows:
or his three year career Thomas has averaged: 7.7 PPG, .8 STL, 1.3 BLK, 1.3 TO, 5 RPG, and a FG% of .447 in just about 20 MPG. Last year Thomas averaged: 10.8 PPG, 1.2 STL, 1.9 BLK, 1.6TO, 6.5 RPG, and a FG% of .451 in 27.5 MGG. These are not very exciting numbers especially when you consider how inconsistently he is on the floor and how low his basketball IQ is. Some may say well his minutes are limited. Well Millsap has averaged only 2.8 minutes more throughout his career and he has 13.5 PPG, 8.6 RPG, with a FG% of .523. And he has been coming off the bench except when Boozer was often injured.
I don’t see given the stats what the excitement over Thomas is but I hope it proves to be warranted for the Bulls sake. I really do hope your right on this, I just hate sloppy basketball and sometimes that is what comes from starting a player like Thomas. I wrote a post on the subject check it out and let me know what you think. http://www.blogabull.com/2009/7/17/952738/the-tyrus-thomas-dilemma
The Dude Abides
by Savage23 on Jul 17, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect thomas' numbers to go up as rose gets better
If thomas stays around the rim, he can literally out jump anyone on the floor. Rose can penetrate and always throw the ball up and thomas would be the only one who could get it. Plus thomas is a very good freethrow shooter for a pf…the only problem with tyrus is that sometimes he tries to do too much and thus ends up being out of position or taking shots that simply werent his….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 17, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think Tyrus' numbers are dependent on Rose
and I think its kind of unfair to pin Tyrus’ development on Rose. I think Tyrus plays well when he gives maximum effort and focuses on the things he does well – rebounding, help defense, taking the ball to the rim.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 18, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your rebounding numbers are wrong. Tyrus did not have 9 straight double doubles. Nor did he have double digit rebounds in 13 of 16 games.
I see he reached double digit boards in only 18 games all year.
by Trey23 on Jul 16, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did have a stretch...
… of 6 double-doubles in 7 games. 1/28 thru 2/10
by torch on Jul 16, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep,
too many stats for me to deal with for a blog. what he did was double figure scoring, of course. in those 9 i referred to, his rebs were: 9/10/10/4/13/10/12/10/8. not a bad string, again my avg quoted in the other thread were correct for this: 15.5 pts and 9.55 rebs.
sorry, sub pts for rebs. in both runs. the winning percentages were the real revelation to me, and they’re slightly skewed to make him look less valuable to the team, if anything. it’s just a stat, but really seems to back up those who were critcal of vdn for now playing him more.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 17, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
i see noah was all over that double digit rebound thing with 21 in the regular season.
again people, there could be a big payoff in waiting another year.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 17, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FINALLY...
You my friend…have seen the light on Tyrus…Congratulations
by papadoc on Jul 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow you actually are getting me excited for next season
great post!
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 15, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is interesting.
That was a good point you made about Derrick getting fouled. It seems to be a rookie thing, so maybe he’ll get some respect this year. Also, this thought just hit me: do we have a good defensive team? Noah and Tyrus are considered good defenders, or at least they can block shots, and Luol and Kirk are good defenders as well. The only players with a bad defensive reputation on our team are Brad and Derrick, and he was only a rookie. I’m probably getting my hopes up in our defensive abilities, but I guess if I can’t find real hope, false hope is the next best option.
by KJBidz on Jul 15, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
intresting indeed
define false hope and real hope….
also i think brad miller has vet savvy and that lets him get away with some cheap moves in terms of defense so hes not that big of a liability. Basically a team defense is anchored in the post, so having a good to great defender in the post makes a huge impact on team defense. Noah can man up anyone in the post and pester them, while tyrus is a shot blocking threat from the help/weak side, the two of them together really anchor that post area. THe problem then comes in when the per or wing players penetrate. This causes the interior defense to collapse on the penetrator and allows holes and gaps in the post allowing easy dunks, or if the team collapses inside easy kick outs….
Kirk hinrich is often criticized for unable to stay with quick guards, and rightly so, the quickest guards, the rondos and pauls of the league do alot of damage to all team. However, hinrich, deng, and thomas together can really overcome that weakness. THat is to say that those three guys can switch to guard different positions without losing much. Hinrich can guard guard positions 1-3 fairly well, deng can guard positons 2-4 fairly well, and thomas can guard 3-5 well (mainly due to his athleticism). Vdn liked to switch alot last year, but that made alot more mismatches.
(WARNING: Extremely long detailed scenerio up ahead)
Example: Bulls of last year (rose, gordon, salmons, tyrus, noah) vs Celtics of last year on. Bulls on defense….
Rondo brings the ball up, rose is guarding him, rondo passes to ray allen. Perkins sets a screen for allen. Gordon has to either fight through the screen, but a second too late and ray-ray gets a shot off. Or they switch and noah prevents the shot but then gordon gets stuck on perkins. They probably switch (vdn) so ray allen doesnt get a shot but now gordon is stuck on perkins, perkins moves towards the paint, allen gives perkins the ball, and perkins begins to post up gordon. Perkins of course has to get double teamed, it cant be noah because that leaves ray open. Tyrus probably ends up being the guy who double teams, but that means big baby is open on the weak side, salmons steps a bit off of pierce just in case big baby gets the ball, rose ditto with rondo. Pierce is able to make a quick cut with the room he now has moving towards the foul line, perkins dishes, gordon moves on pierce tyrus stays, rose stays on rondo and salmons moves to big baby. See the problem here? Rose is the only one still on his man, allen is being guarded by noah, pierce by gordon, big baby by salmons, and perkins by tyrus. Pierce can basically take gordon to hole at will, and tyrus has the trouble of watching perkins but helping out on help defense if pierce or big baby attack the basket, not to mention rondo.
now lets consider the same situation with the current roster. At the end of all the screens and passes, rose is guarding rondo, kirk is on paul pierce, Noah still on Allen, Tyrus still on perkins, and deng is on big baby. Big baby cant post up deng as easily as he could salmons, deng is taller, longer arms, and a lot stronger. Paul pierce can still score on kirk but he will be more hesitant to drive since kirk plays ball hawk defense, he might think to post up on kirk but he would need the post cleared out allowing tyrus to help kirk out since perkins away from the rim is not a threat. Pierce could still shoot over kirk but it would be contested. Noah can stay with ray allen, since ray-ray is more of a threat shooting…
Long of the short, it wouldnt be absolute defense, but it would be a huge upgrade on defense with deng and kirk taking the spot of salmons and gordon.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 15, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Keep it up you get "rec" number two today!
by chgobr on Jul 15, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But Celtics are several levels beyond the Bulls when it comes to defense…
Your talking about a scenario that doesn’t have… Kevin Garnett…
I’d be interested in hearing your perspective on defense if KG and Rasheed were in the Lineup for Boston.
by 420man! on Jul 16, 2009 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too put it bluntly
even last seasons rockets wouldnt be able to stop a healthy celtics team with rasheed wallace. A front court of a healthy sheed and kg could bully any front court in the league, even dwight howard…yao ming may survive but only because he will have to rely on his outside shooting and his sexy hook, but that doesnt matter since he is most likely out next season anyway.
As for the celtics, offensively and defensively they probably are levels above teh bulls when they have a healthy kg, which is probably why they got rasheed, since if kg gets hurt again or is just unable to play as much, rasheed can add some of those extra levels on both ends of the court. My example was more to show what i (theoretically) think the bulls defense would look like with a healthy deng and hinrich in gordons place. The defense does get better.
I think if we had deng healthy during that 7 game series, the outcome wouldve been much differnt….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 16, 2009 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bluntly *giggles*
I think Salmons wouldn’t be bad either if the Bulls want to go big. He gives size in the backcourt. Something Gordon couldn’t do because of that damn thing called “genetics.”
I think that Deng could of outplayed Pierce… Pierce was flat out horrible at times…
by 420man! on Jul 16, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good post indeed
but this Celtics vs bulls scenario is excessively pro hinrich (ball hawk defense…? get off his jock already)… In any case, I’m a bulls fan because of Jordan, he made basketball interesting to me and he was and continues to give the bulls their face. I neglected the Bulls for years after the powerhouse years they had via jordan, phil jack, and friends. Basically for me, because of those championship years, the bulls have already cemented themselves as my team of choice, they could go 0-82 this season and all i’d do is watch some Jordan highlights and not care. What I do like about the team in its current iteration is D Rose, he shows flashes of brilliance I haven’t seen in nearly a decade. But the team has a scrub coach, a bunch of good but not great guys, and an owner who doesn’t roll the dice… there really isn’t a reason to really watch them unless they play top tier teams, when they actually play hard (they frustratingly play down to weaker teams) It took the bulls organization one draft in 1984 and 6 seasons to build a championship winning powerhouse; and making the bold statement that Rose is the most talented player the bulls have drafted, it will take many years to build another team worthy of true bulls fandom. So why are we bulls fans? because jordan gave us 6 champsionships and a chip on our shoulders…
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 15, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan isnt on this team now
so why watch them now, or rather why join a bulls blog more than a decade after jordan left the bulls? Because of rose? Because its possible to build something around rose? Thats hope…its not about being a fan of a dozen players on a team, its not about being a fan of a dynasty that once was, its about believing that this team in some way will retain greatness. You are lying to yourself if you think that its because of a player and team that hasnt existed for a decade that you are now watching the bulls. You are watching the bulls right now, you have joined this site because you believe this team is on SOME path to greatness.
(btw hinrich DOES play ball hawk defense, its defense thats more about going for the ball. I categorize defense like this, theres good man defenders who are great at bodying up defenders keeping them from getting to spots on the floor and use their body and length to deny offensive players (noah deng) there are great helpside defenders who have great athletic ability and timing and are great at playing passing lanes and getting helpside blocks deflections (wade tyrus) and then theres ball hawk defenders who are more inclined to aggressively attack the ball and get a steal or just bother shots, thats kirk hinrich, its why quicker pgs get past him so quickly but guys like paul pierce can be guarded by him)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 15, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You seem to want
to pound your ideas and thoughts into what I commented above so I’ll try to be more specific this time. I never argued that hinrich does or doesn’t play ball hawk defense and I’ll just leave it there so we can stick on the hope issue rather than the hinrich issue (…if its not pro hinrich you won’t have it.) So why watch them now? I don’t know, I only watch them when they play top tier teams. I wouldn’t watch a Bulls vs Grizzlies match for any amount of time, but I could possibly sit down and watch the Bulls play the Lakers, Magic, Cavs, etc. Is that hope? I didn’t mean to imply I’ve never watched the Bulls after their dynasty was over, its just that I have no hope that the team in its current iteration will contend for a championship. And that is exactly it, it’s not that I don’t want to see the Bulls succeed, its just that I’ve established the Jordan/Championship standard for the Bulls and until they assemble a team that is in fact championship caliber and not just playing above there talent level, then I don’t have any hope for the team. But I don’t jump on and off of bandwagons, I didn’t root for the Lakers because they won it, or the Celtics because they won or etc. I remained a Bulls fan throughout. But if they don’t put a serious title contending team on the court then I could care less If the team started 0-20 and ended 43-39 or if they simply went 0-82 or any other record or unique stat anyone can bring up about the team. Its a matter of “is the team serious, is it ready, is it hungry” and this team just isn’t any of those things so I don’t hope for it to do anything. Is Rose their franchise player? who knows? Is this team on a path to greatness? to early to tell. But I am a fan because of prestige that Jordan and the championship bulls gave this cheapskate organization and it conveniently happened in the city I grew up in. Oh and I joined this blog because a friend refused to tell me where he would collect all his Bulls rumors and this blog seems a step ahead of everyone else and then when I checked it out I couldn’t help but read some of these posts and comments and join in on the fray. Why do I need to know where my friend was getting his information from? I was bored.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 16, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you want to know about the Bulls if you don't care what happens?
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 17, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did say
I’m a bulls fan. I just said I have no hope for the team.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 18, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why root for a team when you have no hope they will ever do anything
Even if you were a fan of the jordan bulls, there isn’t anyone on that team that’s on the Bulls now. Why not root for a different team now?
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 19, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
argh
i said because he earned it, did you not read what was posted at all? I said specifically that I was such a fan of the championship bulls that I would remain a fan of the franchise and that i wouldn’t root for another team because I don’t jump on bandwagons!
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 20, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
I don’t get why you would do something like that, but I understand it.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 20, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn! And I thought it was because we are masochists who like to suffer.
You are watching the bulls right now, you have joined this site because you believe this team is on SOME path to greatness.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 16, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post and comments
rec 3!
The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan
by Envy on Jul 16, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im just excited for...
Watching some regular reason games…
Watching Derrick Rose improve…
and yahoo Fantasy NBA…
and NBA 2K10!
and Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 (Not related but it will help me tame my excitement for the regular season)
and possibly goin to a Bulls game after so many years…
by 420man! on Jul 16, 2009 3:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2k10 and CoD MW2
im down for that…i really cant wait for the nba games this year, 2k9 was nice but i didnt think it was as great as 2k8, at least in terms of gameplay. Nba live this year has the guy who did 2k6 and 2k7 working for them, and thats pretty exciting (and that guy also happens to be a hinrich fan which is bonus points for me) I cant wait till they start releasing some press videos about those games. My lil bro is really into CoD MW1 so i might jump into the sequel when it comes out but i probably will never find the time.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 16, 2009 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2K10 > Live 10
I personally liked 2K7 a lot because it added the shot stick system that made shooting more than just pressing a button. You had the flick the analog stick like you would flick your wrist when shooting. I thought this was revolutionary and was blow away by it.
2K8 was basically the same as 2K7. The game didn’t really address the flawed “lock-on D” system which allowed someone like Shaq to tightly guard someone like Steve Nash.
2K9 finally fixed this and I have to say 2K9 is more realistic, more tactical, more complex, and most importantly more fun than Live. Live is way too arcady. I usually do my research before I purchase any game these days (Games are too damn expensive!) and every year 2K series always gets better reviews than live.
I’ve had so many epic battles with friends… Constantly trying to out think each other… making key adjustments and substitutions… changing defensive schemes in game… shooting daggers… occasional game winners…
The game is beautiful on a 1080p HDTV. I really get the sense that I’m at authentic NBA game. Every detail is precise… players helping each other get up after a hard foul, expressing their enthusiasm after a powerful dunk, and crowd roaring during peak times.
One thing I love doing is testing out the teams after all the offseason trades. Its very interesting to get a very “basic” idea of how Shaq and Lebron will mesh or how much of a factor Rasheed Wallace will be to the Celtics or Artest’s impact with the Lakers.
As for COD:MW2, November is a long wait but I can play ball at Export or play ball at home on 2k9 so its all good!
by 420man! on Jul 16, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Join lifetime
bolingbrook lifetime….
I dont know something about 2k9 reminded me of nba live, and its hard to play 12 min quarters accurately, and cpu is too easy to predict….but i do have high hopes for 2k10
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 16, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I play 7 minute Quarters
I think its perfect. 12 Minute quarters is waaay to long. I think the last time I played 12 minute quarters the score was in 150s…
There isn’t a Lifetime Fitness nearby, but I’ll have to check it out if one ever opens near me. Theres nothing like playing pickup Basketball at your local gym! Especially if you get yo crew together… damn thing is that some of these people take these games too seriously…
Funny story, one night I go there and its me and 2 friends and 2 random people against a team full of Koreans. I’ve played against them before and I always call them “The Korean National team.”
They play very methodically and slow paced on offense and LOTS of zone on defense… We lose the first game. Second game we recruit some random black guy… assuming that hes good… because hes black…
Second game goes and I expect this black guy to dominate… but eh… he isn’t really trying too hard at all… then in the middle of the game he says, “Damn, these guys are playin like its for a gold medal!”
Everybody on our team cracks up! Moral of the story… not every random black is gonna be like Michael Jordan when you take into account the inflated talent level at Export…
by 420man! on Jul 17, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
ive had that happen to me, just cuz a guy looks like he is a bad ass ball player, got the look, the tude, the gear…doesnt mean squat. And the opposite, ive played against some big chubby dudes who drain threes like nothing…i sort of had a “crew” a bunch of my paki friends who played ball, but they all basically started getting some bad injuries to the point where im the only one who can actually play on a regular basis. It kind of sucks. I dont mind playing pickup games, but its a different feeling when you are playing with your friends, you know how they move and where they like to play and ditto for yourself. WHen you win you all celebrate together, you take pride in each others games. When you play with strangers its alright, but winning doesnt feel the same, and losing feels worse cuz you want to point fingers at that one guy who refused to pass the ball, or the guy who just wouldnt play defense. Sometimes you get a good group.
They have a group of asians at lifetime, and man they are good. Not physically overpowering, just really well learned in the game, and with tons of skill. playing with them is fun cuz they understand the concept of teamwork and defense. I havent gone as much lately, and when i have its been to swim or work out, but after writing this i feel like playing…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 17, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that
I always play hard on D. I might not have the best shooting skills or ball handling but on defense I’ll be tenacious like Kirk Hinrich lol. I love the feeling of shutting down an opposing player with my aggressive style.
And all the stuff you said about the asians… so true. “The Korean National Team” has two fat twins that can both shoot threes. They aren’t the most talented but as a team they play very smart… almost too conservatively sometimes… but they will always have an edge when it comes to chemistry.
One thing I notice a lot in pickup games is the lack of defense. It is just a pickup game after all. But one general tendency I have found is just the fact that most regular people such as ourselves don’t have physical capacity to play at a high level for more than 15 minutes… plus the fact that most people have greater offensive awareness than defensive awareness.
Taking this simple fact into account, it has motivated me to work on my conditioning even more… and too always play harder and harder until my lungs are about to fall out.
This in turn will help me build my overall stamina and give me an edge over other players that have more skill than I. Hopefully this will correlate to wins on the court… and if not… I will know that it will ultimately benefit the most important thing of all… my health.
by 420man! on Jul 18, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we're lottery bound with the current team
I think it’s a mid-30s to mid-40s team, that probably sneaks into the playoffs. The problem is I don’t see any plan for really getting beyond that. And to me, a first round playoff exit on the backs of a generally veteran group of guys who won’t be here when Derrick is (hopefully) really kicking ass and taking names… that’s not much of a success.
The last thing you want in the NBA is to be consistently mediocre and have no plan or ambition for changing it.
by Sports2 on Jul 16, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats just it though
i dont think the bulls are gonna be mediocre. Noah, tyrus, deng these are guys who can possibly all be here when “derrick rose is really kicking ass”. I think the bulls can be competetive going into next year, just as competetive as they could have been with ben gordon. i think this team is nothing like the clippers. The clippers became very much a me first team, even baron davis seemed to look for hi shot more, they had alot of talent but never meshed together. This team isnt like that, they are all hard workers who hate losing. If healthy i can see them working together in what honestly is an uphill battle. Hinrich is by far the oldest of the group but i dont see it as a huge hurdle. If he plays well his trade value goes up and we can actually get something more for him as opposed to just instant cap relief. If he plays well enough to stay on the team it still isnt a problem since in 2 more years his contract is up at any rate.
More to the point is the bulls bigs, what if tyrus suddenly really and honestly got it….Marionette posted above some intresting facts about ty’s numbers and while watching some old games (like the game when miami beat us due to a shawn marion dunk) tyrus looked freakin fantastic. If there was ever a year for tyrus to finally put it all together it would be this year. Then we have deng, who is alot better than people remember him to be. Derrick rose, Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Noah…the only thing we are really missng is a stud sg, and that could definetly be adressed in 2010. Even with hinrichs contract we would still be able to offer 1 near max contract, but the way i figure it if tyrus and deng are doing well enough, trading hinrich becomes a no brainer, and if you hope he (hinrich) plays well then you can get something worthwhile for hinrich like maybe a rudy fernandez.
I agree that the last thing you want to be in the nba is consistently mediocre and have no plan or ambition for changing it, but i dont think thats the case with this organization. I think somewhere deep inside all of us believe the bulls actually do have a plan, but its a lot easier to say they dont…sort of bracing yourself for when they fail, because as 2007 showed us, having faith in this team can be truly painful. But often times people forget 2006, because having faith in this organization also brought alot of good times. Like i said im excited for this season, because i think something good is about to happen to it, maybe the players realize their potential next season, or maybe we make some great trades that free up capspace and land 2 2010 free agents, or just trades that make us a heck of alot better, i dont know but i do know its gonna happen…i think you probably do too
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 16, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
However competitive they'll be next year
They would still be more competitive with Gordon. I mean, if we take your argument the way I think you mean it, you’re saying Deng will come back great, Rose will advance wonderfully, and Tyrus will have a quantum leap. OK, let’s assume that. Then the only obvious hole is at SG, and we just let a 25 year old, awesome shooting SG walk.
For… “near” max cap space?
And the real kicker is you have to give up Tyrus now to get that free agent SG. So that just hurts double if he really breaks out.
To put it simply, if we kept Ben and traded Kirk, we have near max FA space and, if no FA comes, we have our SG spot filled with a capable, if not completely stud young player, and we can re-sign Tyrus if he proves better than the FA options.
But, by keeping Kirk and losing Ben, we have near max FA space but in order to fill the SG spot using cap space have to renounce or negotiate around the fact of Tyrus’ restricted free agency and cap hold.
Maybe it looks like a subtle difference, but it’s not from a negotiation perspective. In the first case, we’ve basically got a fallback position in which every major position is covered, and we have the upper hand if everything goes, as you expect it to, really well and the young guys kick ass. In the second position, we have one clear hole to fill, and if the odds of being able to fill it actually go down if Tyrus breaks out.
To be clear,
If you trade Hinrich and keep Gordon, then you’ve got a fallback position in the event free agency fails and/or Tyrus
by Sports2 on Jul 16, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scratch that last sentence fragment... cut and paste error!
by Sports2 on Jul 16, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread is about hope which I am very glad Piccolomair started.
My perception of Piccolomair’s post is that we really have hope with this team. This isn’t a reworking of the Gordon issue. Sports is about the unusual happening. The spectacular play, a #3 pick becoming the best player ever, the Bulls winning the lottery with a 1.7% chance. Is it likely the Bulls will win 50 games this year? No. But as this team is constituted if Pic is right things could come together and we could win 50 games. Unlikely but this team has potential mainly because of Rose but also because of Deng, Noah, TT, Hinrich, Salmons. There is potential to surprise all of us.
If the Bulls were playing the Grizzles tonight I would be pumped. As much as Matt has been ranting the past few weeks if we were playing well and winning he would be excited. If we lost a heart-breaker it would pain him. I am more interested in the Bulls player movement than any baseball game. The thread that binds us is the Bulls.
by chgobr on Jul 16, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
You can’t worry about 2014. A healthy Kirk and Salmons replaces Gordon. Deng takes back the SF spot. Add to that a full year of Miller, (even though he’s declining, he can still be effective) 2 bigs from the draft to take the spot of Gooden and Noc from the START of the year. TT, Noah, and Rose are better just from competing at a high level against the depleted Celtics. Theres is plenty of hope to think we can compete for the 4 or 5 seed. And make noise in the playoffs.
Altho picco, Hinrich is far too inconsistent to ever be labeled “star quality”. Come on now. Retract your statement!!!
by Trey23 on Jul 16, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah
hinrichs not a star, thats why i like him as a player. In terms of all things, comic book heroes, video game characters, tv shows…ive never liked the main character or the main hero…i dont know how much you know about anime, but my sig is something from back when i was a kid, my favorite character in this show called dbz was a dude named piccolo. Well thats at least one of the reason i like kirk as a player, another big reason is his game resembles mine, same as his role on his team resembles my role on the teams i play. Im not a star talent as a player and neither is kirk hinrich, we are guys though that play hard and smart and decieve others into thinking we have more talent than we really have. Eh…its a long detailed story, but my fandom for kirk hinrich is followed by a lot of logic…also where did i post that i thought hinrich was star quality (although i think he is the best white american pg in the league right now insert smiley)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 16, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody knows who piccolo is!
DBZ is the Golden Standard when it comes to anime. Personally, I liked Gohan, and Vegeta was so badass he was awesome.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 17, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dbz is the golden standard
then they made dbe….ughhhh
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 17, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Dragonball is good anime"
Ahahahahahahahahahaha
Ha.
:P
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 18, 2009 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not?
Name one better….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 19, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And please don't say Naruto
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 20, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FLCL
DBZ is great to watch on Drugs tho.
by 420man! on Jul 20, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to this place?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Jul 20, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flcl
is better to watch on drugs…at least then you have a reason for not understanding wtf is going on….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 20, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FLCL is deeeeeep
Its a metaphor for life.
by 420man! on Jul 27, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he looked bad ass
In dbgt, but he died so quickly and stupidly
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 18, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea thats what this post is about
having a plan is great general idea, but plans dont always work out….I mean The bulls didnt plan on getting jordan with the 3rd pick, if portland had picked him up then what? Luck and Hope still have alot to do with it. Even after jordan was picked, it wasnt a complete plan to build around him, who builds around a sg? then they didnt plan for scottie to become the robin of the team, they took a gamble and hope he would just contribute, they didnt know he would contribute so much. The bulls planned on becoming the great defensive power house by adding ben wallace…where did that take us? We let tyson chandler go, we were all for it then, but now we think we screwed up.
But we are in far better position then we ever were in even when we had jordan. not saying derrick rose is better than jordan, but saying that team that jordan started on was nowhere near the level of the team that rose is on. Theres alot more reason to hope for the best as opposed to expect the worse or even mediocrity. This team isnt the 1999 bulls team, and the fact that all of us are watching, that more of us are watching, and looking at news and blogs….we all know somewhere inside us that this team can suddenly next season by some sort of aquisition or some talent on this team suddenly completely emerging (deng, rose, tyrus, noah, james johnson are all possibilities) this team may not be mediocre but may be closer to that pistons team that won a championship….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 16, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why shouldn't you have hope
the bulls are in the East
take it easy
why care about a bloggers grammar
by angryandy on Jul 19, 2009 3:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls will be just good enough not to be lottery bound.
But they’re obviously not gonna set the city on fire. Personally, i’ll be satisfied if the Cavs or the Heat don’t get to the finals next season. Anything that gets Lebron or DWade that much closer to wanting to leave their teams for Chicago, is fine by me. You wanna talk about HOPE? I’m drinkin that kool-aid BIG TIME!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 19, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls are just good enough to be playing in the NBA
Therefore definitely lottery bound, Derrick Rose will be discouraged by the ill and mismanagement of the organization. Kirk and Deng are not leaders, but true 2nd unit players mascarading as captains, yet making starter dollars. This will shown even moreso this year. Finally we’ll be able to put an end to this charade and many will finally realize the truth concerning John Paxson, aside from Jerry Reinsdorf.
My impression of John Paxson during his playing days and while the team was winning championships after listening to his interviews was similiar to listening to someone totally unaware but subtilely showing a cordial but intense jealousy for other popular members of his team. Paxson was a average ball player who seem as if he would have been content not winning a single championship, but just coming to work (basketball) from 9-5 with allowances for night games and road trips. Fortunately for him, he was caught in the storm, tides, waves of Jackson/Jordan/Pippin otherwise he’d be a Kirk Hinrich clone with less handles, yet a better shot fighting to get get starter minutes. Which he did have to do, similiar to Kirk.
Therefore I can’t get excited because this is exactly the type of characteristics exemplified by all Paxson’s teams since becoming the GM and now VP.
What’s up with ???
- drafting so many youngs without any development strategy and plan for so many years!
you know the answer…
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Jul 20, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d. Nice analysis. It’s obvious the org. places too much emphasis on “character”. You don’t want a bunch of knuckleheads but talent is what wins in the NBA. All-star talen, not nice guys with decent, nice games.
by C Smoove on Jul 20, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited to determine which team I'll follow when the season begins.. it won't be the "dorf" Bulls
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Jul 21, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Your really trying to pollute the only thread that has good will towards next season huh?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 21, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! Mr. Optimist Prime....
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Jul 22, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
I agree with piccolo, you’re trolling by soiling a feel-good thread. But that’s a good line.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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