Three Step Plan to Make the Bulls a Contender
After a summer spent arguing about what the Bulls should do to make their team relevant, I've come to the following conclusions/solutions. The plan involves scrapping the 2010 plan (to some degree), offering an unpopular player a contract extention, and trading a couple of older guys on nice contracts. I'm not married to any of these ideas, but I thought they were a good starting point for debate. Without further adieu....
Step One: Resign Tyrus Thomas to a contract extension this summer.I am not a big Tyrus fan, as some of you may know, but I appreciate what the guy brings to a team. At his best he is a game changer on defense who can get to the line, hit an open jumper, and run the floor like a gazelle. At his worst he is a jumpshooting maniac on offense, who doesn't go all out on D.
The Bulls plan seems to be wait out the year with Tyrus, see what type of value he has on the open market, and either trade him or do one of Chicago patented Death Grip negotiations. That is a mistake. If Tyrus actually has a breakout season this year, they are screwed. Why? Because there will be pressure to retain Tyrus, but in doing so, they won't have the cap flexibility to pursue anyone else. If Tyrus averages 14pts, 9reb, 2.5 blk, 1st than you are looking at having to pay him $10 million a year. Many, many players up their production in contract years. If Tyrus plays well, the Bulls could become a victim of his success.
The Bulls, if they are proactive, could probably sign Tyrus to a contract extension right now. I would advocate something like 4 years, $28 million. I'd be willing to go as high as $32 million, $8 mil a year for Tyrus. I think Tyrus will have value on the open market. There has been a surge in mobile 4's over the last couple years, and a guy like Tyrus has the potential to guard those players. Playing with a big 3 like Lebron or Carmelo, guys who rebound well for their position, could open up the floor for Tyrus to do other things. As so happens, the Bulls have 2 young, big 3's on the roster - JJ and Deng.
At $7-8 million a year Tyrus is still tradeable. I also think its easier to trade young players who are under contract, versus guys who will be looking for extentions with new teams. By offering Tyrus a contract now, it also gives the Bulls an idea of what Tyrus will want in the future, even if he is not signed this summer. Plus, the Bulls don't want to be in a position where they are bargaining with 2 guys who play similar positions at the same time - Noah/Tyrus. That didn't work out so well for them last time. Right now, the Bulls are taking the wrong approach to Tyrus. Offer the man some money, while you can still set the market and get a bargain.
Step Two: Trade Salmons/Tim Thomas / Jerome James and #1 pick in 2010 and 2012 for Amar'e Stoudemire and Barbosa
I've been advocating moving Hinrich for a while, mostly in pursuit of the 2010 plan. But with the salary cap likely to drop next season, it may be too difficult for the Bulls to clear enough cap space. Therefore, perhaps there biggest trade chip is Salmons to a team looking to win now. The Suns have liked Salmons for awhile. He is better than Hill, Richardson and all their other perimeter players not named Nash. He fits in with Steve Nash, because he is a veteran player who will help the Suns win now.
As far as the other pieces - Tim Thomas had his most success in a Suns uniform. He fits in well there, as a stretch 4, and would prevent VDN from playing him here. James contract may be paid by insurance. The only person who may like that more than JR is Sarver. This trade allows the Suns some financial relief next season, gives them a quality player and 2 expiring contracts which helps grease the wheels so the Suns can acquire Tyson Chandler in a trade as has been rumored (the Suns are reluctant to make a deal for Chandler if they may have to pay Amar'e $17 mil next season).
I'm not completely convinced Amar'e will opt out next season. He is coming off an injury plagued season, doesn't have the best reputation in the NBA, and may be a victim of a dropping salary cap. I think teams with stars are going to be in great position to retain their players. Amar'e may have worn out his welcome Phoenix, but the guy is still a dominant inside scorer. Perhaps the best scoring PF in the NBA. His price to obtain via trade is likely far cheaper than any other player of that level. Toronto doesn't seem likely to trade Bosh, Cleveland isn't trading Lebron, and Miami is as likely to bring in a top free agent in 2010 as any team.
Step Three: Find a Big Center on the market
Usually I think this would be a tough proposition to fill. It just so happens, however, that 2 players - Pryzbilla and Marc Gasol (from Memphis) could be on the receiving end on some pretty sharp declines in playing time. If Utah doesn't match the Milsap contract, Portland will have Aldridge/Oden/Pryz/Milsap all vying for minutes at the 4 and 5. You don't bring in a guy like Milsap, at that salary to play 15 minutes a game. He will play, probably at least 30 a night. That forces Aldridge to play some center, because despite what people on Blazers Edge may believe, Aldridge cannot play the 3. If Oden can stay healthy for a good portion of the season, that means Pryzbilla could be looking at 10-15 minutes a night. I believe he could be had for Brad Miller's expiring contract (the Blazers still have to pay Roy and Aldridge) if all those highly likely scenarios take place.
Marc Gasol is in a slightly different situation. Gasol should be getting 35 minutes a night and ample shot attempts in Memphis. However, the Grizz just drafted Thabeet (or as he will soon be known, Thabust) and they have to get him minutes. I don't believe Gasol or Thabeet can play the 4 in today's NBA. They also have noted ball hog Zach Randolph who will be planting himself down low. Add in gunners Mayo and Gay, with the possibility of signing Iverson, and we might see the first time in NBA history a teammate steals the ball from another teammate.
I would prefer Pryzbilla, because the Bulls need the defense and rebounding, and believe that a trade of Miller for Pryzbilla / Webster could work for both teams. The Bulls get that mythical big shooting guard and a needed 3 pt shooter. With Amar'e, Miller's greatest strengths come a bit superfluous. He is a good outside shooter, but so is Amar'e. He has the slowest dribble drive in the NBA, Amare's slightly faster. The Blazers get some salary relief for next season, some insurance for if/when Oden gets injured, and free up more money for Roy and Aldridge.
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A starting five of Noah-Amare-Deng-Hinrich and Rose is pretty formidable. You have 2 very strong offensive players (Amar'e/Rose), a legit 3rd option (Deng) and quality defenders (Noah-Deng-Hinrich) around weak defenders. Off the bench the Bulls would have Pryzbilla, Tyrus, Barbosa, James Johnson and Webster. Pryz is a strong defensive center, Johnson and Tyrus are 2 versatile forwards, Barbosa can score in bunches off the bench, and Webster has a chance to be a knockdown shooter, who could benefit from a host of open looks. Now, there is no way VDN could possibly manage a 10 man rotation. So he'd likely be fired, which would make everyone happy.
The Bulls roster would be -
Noah ($2.5 million) / Pryzbilla ($6.8 million) /Taj ($1 million)
Amar'e ($16.3 million) /Tyrus ($4.7million) /Johnson/Taj
Deng ($10.3 million) / Johnson ($1.6 million) / Webster
Hinrich ($9.5 million) / Barbosa ($6.6 million) / Webster ($4.3 million)
Rose ($5.1 million) / Hinrich
Player/Coach: Hunter
Big Sexy: Gray
Emergency Gunner: Pargo
This lineup is above the salary cap, but below the tax. The Bulls would have to resign Amar'e but having him on the team gives them the obvious inside track. With the salary cap dropping, I don't know how many big time free agents will be moving anyway. These moves also offers the Bulls some flexibility. The Bulls would have Hinrich, Barbosa, Tyrus, Pryzbilla as chips that they could use in a trade. I think the team above could win 50 games, and be poised to be contenders in the East for the next 3 to 4 years. As Rose, Noah and Tyrus improve, the Bulls would also improve. If the Bulls than hire a competent coach capable of managing players with egos (how about stealing Larry Brown from the Bobcats?)and you potentially have a dynamic lineup.
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joel May get moved
but we over value him :) we want something tangible, not miller and certainly not including webster. We dont worry about caps and taxes……were rich bitch!
"show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - coach
Portland fans are way too obnoxious. And people from Blazers Edge wonder why Bulls fans are starting to hate the blazers.
if you are so rich, why are you guys haggling with Roy and Aldridge? Where are there extensions?
One way you get to be rich is by being smart with your money. Paying Joel 7.5 million (his number next season) to play 10-15 minutes a game isn’t smart. You could probably resign Miller for half that or pick up some youngster.
Not to mention the stupidity of refusing to trade Webster, your 3rd string shooting guard, 3rd string small forward… I don’t believe Pritchard is that dumb.
I guess I can add Webster to list of Blazer players who are unmovable. Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Batum, Bayless, Fernandez and now Webster. The Blazers are the only team with 4 bench players who are too precious to trade.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 13, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
His point is valid though -- Pritchard won't give up JP without putting the screws to the Bulls
So he isn;t worth what he would cost.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 14, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I still wouldn't resign Tyrus unless he really shows something
Don’t forget about James Johnson who would be a good back up to Amare. The problem with your plan is the fact that were not a title team with that roster. Two of our star players have shown to be injury prone (Deng and Amare). There really is not many good shooters in the lineup. Also Kirk is is going to be really old by the time this team develops. Damn, if we had Gordon over Hinrich-that lineup would be explosive offensively.
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 13, 2009 11:59 PM CDT reply actions
The suns would never make the trade in the first place.
You say there trying to contend by trading Amare and only getting salmons back? Add Tryus on his extension instead of one of the cap reliefs and this whole scenario works a lot better.
Maybe not title contenders but definitely up there with the Cavs, magic and celts…
Yeah, you may be right
I just don’t know if Phoenix wants Tyrus. They have Clark and just signed Frye. Are they really going to sign Tyrus to an extension? He is a restricted free agent next season. The Suns are losing money. They practically gave Shaq away. The Suns thought they had Bierdins, Wright and Curry for Stoudemire, but Golden State decided the price was too high. The Suns expressed interest in doing a Chandler for Wallace swap, with the idea that New Orleans would buy out Wallace, but they don’t want to do it.
Maybe my greed got the better of me there. Tyrus/Salmons/TiT for Stoudemire is probably more realistic.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 14, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
The Suns expressed interest in doing a Chandler for Wallace swap, with the idea that New Orleans would buy out Wallace, but they don’t want to do it...
without first resolving the Amar’e situation.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 14, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
did not mean to offend
like i said we may move joel, for some of the reasons you mentioned. we just dont have to move him for cap purposes. we would like to get more than miller but who knows right? we may overvalue our guys , but there all young and mostly potential and we dont want another drazen or jermaine situation. like shanahan said about the chargers, yes they have alot of talent, they pick early every year….and if we annoy you, get some thicker skin. some bulls fans can talk trash, gush with joy if something goes wrong in portland and write fanposts about it, but start stuttering when we joke around….(some bulls fans)…..and cutler will be a hof for you guys, congrats
"show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - coach
Your argument that the Blazers don't worry about the cap and luxury tax
has yet to be proved. I believe the Blazers are willing to spend a lot of money, but I don’t think Paul Allen wants to throw money away.
You say you don’t want another Drazen or Jermaine situation – but you guys are creating the situation by stockpiling assets. O’Neal didn’t leave over money, O’Neal left over playing time. I just don’t see Webster getting any playing time for the Blazers. In my mind, Webster was included as an incentive to Portland, so they can get out of that contract and offer his $5 million per season to a starting caliber point guard or small forward.
I mean stockpiling assets is nice, but winning championships should be the goal.
Regarding you annoying me – I have no problem with jokes, if they are actually funny. And you didn’t offend me. But writing “were (sic) rich bitch” is 5 years too late. What annoys me about Blazers fans is that you guys seem to believe that you can stockpile 3 young players at every position without them bitching. Sergio bitched his way out of town. Had you guys obtained Turk, Fernandez would have been bitching non-stop. Something tells me Webster isn’t looking forward to being the 7th perimeter player in the rotation after Roy, Blake, Batum, Outlaw, Fernandez and Bayless. In fact, add in Milsap, Pryz, Oden and Aldridge and he is the 12th man. But hey, keep em all.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 14, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
webster is our ba 3 if healthy....outlaw is gone i believe
the rich comment wasnt a joke as much as a light way of reminding all of mr allen……and we cant keep them all, we just dont have to give them away……like some. good luck next year, see how easy that was
"show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - coach
sorry, webster was our starter before he got hurt
"show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - coach
ever feel bad for broncos fans?
"show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - coach
I like the first and third option.
But from what I hear, the 2010 draft class is pretty talented, and I don’t know if I want to give up a possible lottery pick for a guy who had knee surgery and has a bad rep. Maybe we’ll miss the playoffs by a fraction and get the first pick with a 1.7 percent chance or something.
Interestingly, Thomas already avgeraged 14, 9, 2.4 in 36 mins/gm for his career.
If he plays the same as Aldridge, he does that. If he increases his scoring by 11%, his blocked shots by 12% and his rebounding by 20% (he’s been in that range before) AND he gets another 5 mpg to get to 32 mpg, he would average 14/9/2.5 w/ still a lot of room for growth.
It will definitely be good for the Bulls the get rid of this idiotic selfish prick of a bastard. And for nothing. Well, maybe an expiring contract. If they could be soooo lucky!!!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I didn't know how close Tyrus was to achieving those numbers
The idea that the Bulls are going to sit back and not offer this guy a contract – they are setting themselves up for a Gordon repeat. It is maddening.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 14, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Thomas is way to overhyped by most o f you
I am sorry Thomas is a sixth man at best on a contender. His basketball IQ is very low, and not improving much each year, which results in inconsistent play. I don’t know why so many are fans of his sounds like I am in the minority here. However, I maintain my stance that we need a starting PF and if we keep Thomas he needs to be coming off the bench if we hope to contend for a championship any time soon.
Couple of things
1. I say if we have this lineup, we trade a lot of the guys. For example, we could trade Hinrich, Deng and Webster for an all-star shooting guard, a cheap backup power forward, and a cheaper, slight downgrade at small forward.
C: Noah/Pryzbilla
PF: Amare/Traded
SF: Traded/Johnson
SG: Traded/Barbosa
PG: Rose/Pargo
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
who would trade us an all-star shooting guard,
and other cheap spare parts for Deng, Hinrich, and Webster. I would take a cheap, spare part for just Hinrich :)
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 15, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as getting a big center...
What about holding onto Miller for a year and using a MLE to sign Zydrunas Ilgauskas in 2010. As a big, imposing low-post threat, I think he’d be the perfect complement to an athletic PF like Amare or Bosh, as well as James Johnson or Tyrus.

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