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KP is working Utah
- Puts out rumors on the Boozer trade. Knowing sad sack Bulls will get media attention.
- Forces Utah to match and go over the tax or trade Boozer…. and quick…. probably not getting value in return.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 10, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually don't think this kills the 3-way trade
Which does Portland want more: paying 9 million to a backup PF (milsap), or 10 million to a starting PG (kirk). Unless Pritchy is planning on letting Alridge to go, all this does is force Utah and the Bulls’ hand to get a kirk deal done.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 10, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I concur
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Jul 10, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the forcing Utah's hand part.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Jul 10, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey PeteRoc
Will they reminisce over you?
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just hope we can all reminisce on this and next summer as the turning point
(Look out for a comeback from me and CL Smooth)
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Jul 10, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so too
But with this whole trade business…. the Bulls have got to STRAIGHTEN IT OUT!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have Milsap at that price. It's quite a steal.
To put it differently, I think they’d be perfectly happy to play an Oden/Milsap/LMA rotation for the next 4 years. You can play those guys together in any combination and be effective.
by Sports2 on Jul 10, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're Bulls fans
you can’t want too many good players on your team!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's true!
We don’t have to trade any away, though, because we’ve gotten rid of enough.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 11, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Portland stay making moves
while, we on the other hand….
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jul 10, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a chess match at its finest.
I imagine Portland may see this as a way to get something out of Utah one way or the other…. (1) either the “rumored” 3-team trade goes down on terms favorable to Portland, or (2) Portland take the guy that may Boozer expendable in the first place.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Jul 10, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hope we get Bayless in this trade.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bayless and Rose together is a bad matchup.
I really, REALLY want to see Bayless in like Sacremento or something. Somewhere where he can be the lead PG [hell, his passing instincts are more advanced than Tyreke Evans, I’ sure Evans can play SF :P]. I made a crappy team of rookies in 2k9, and Bayless is my starting PG [Bayless/Mayo/CDR/LMA/Gasol]. And he’s awesome! Gets … lots of points.
I do have LMA though. He’s so worthless. Need to trade him for someone.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 11, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're obviously not running LMA right then.
;)
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 11, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's so depressing.
I was like ‘Yay, I have LMA … he might be decent … I don’t like him in real life, but eh.’ … then … he hit a couple jumpers but just can’t defend anybody down low. Which is really what I needed.
I traded him for Noah and change and Noah’s really awesome in the game. He just kind of sneaks around behind people and then dunks. Like a basketball spy!
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 11, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmmmm
that sounds so realistic.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 11, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most realistic bball game out there
Then again, its’ competition is NBA Live.
Did I mention that Noah got 18 points against Tim Duncan?
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 11, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IN 2k
noah is a rebounding beast, and he finishes strong whenever he catches the ball on the inside…love noah in 2k…Hinrichs shot damn near impossible to shoot with, and fernandez has such a smooth shot (found out its Atkins signature shot) Tyrus also dunks everytime he is around the rim, but i often trade him for an allstar powerforward…..i changed the game sliders so now i can play 10 min games without getting outrageous numbers,
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 12, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip?
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 11, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, now KC is just rubbing our faces in it
With the erroneous Carlos Boozer-to-the-Bulls rumor fading, the forwards who will suit up next season took center stage Friday at the Berto Center as summer-league practices continued.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
What a douche.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmmm...is it bad to really want this to happen
if only to mock KC and Sam Smith about it? :-)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
I think that has become my primary reason at this point
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted them(Sam&KC) to be so wrong.
But I think I’ll send the Bulls front office a bottle of viagra…. not that I have one. But if i did…..
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're just so incredibly arrogant and matter-of-factly about denying these rumors
that I just don’t see how anyone could put themselves in a position to be that wrong.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding. That's what gets me.
Sam Smith is becoming increasingly dated and crotchety. Every “blog” or story he posts now mentions something about the demise of “The Newspaper!” And his arrogance, just like you said about doing “actual reporting” and checking on your sources was just ridiculous. Especially with respected journalists (three no less) backing this story. And there keeps being more and more evidence that it’s continuing and evolving, yet they continue to deny it. It’s like George W. saying “we won!” And KC is the worst. He is just lapping up anything that Sam throws him. If Sam says it’s made up than it has to be. Everyone else is wrong.
by Unrealcity on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
KC did his patented deny and giggle on CTL earlier today. I really hate him. He acts like everyone else are complete morons when it comes to the rumors.
McGraw has been the only one sticking to his guns and not backing off.
by NormVanBeer on Jul 10, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, yea, I caught that today too. Painful.
I like McGraw as well, not just his abilities as a reporter, but his overall tone is just so much better.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so on that boat
They’ve become so annoying with their downplay.
If anything, I expected Sam to be different with all the trades he constantly throws at us, but KC…yes!
by Option27 on Jul 10, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this...
Johnson has been playing primarily power forward.
“He has a good feel and can handle it and make plays off the dribble,” coach Vinny Del Negro said. "He penetrated a little in the lane and kicked the ball out for some easy jumpers. That versatility makes him harder to guard.
“But then his size dictates him playing power forward. He comes to the weak side pretty well and blocks shots. He has length. We’re feeling it out.”
Christ, I thought this guy was a SF?!?!?! You know Vinny can’t wait for the matchup problems JJ will create!!!! I think I just vomited.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PF would be my preference.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait till you see what he does at the 5
With Kirk/Rose/Pargo/Salmons out there.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 10, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait for another season of Kurt Hinrich.
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As starting SG!
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 11, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they drafted him to play the 4
and sometimes 3
by Option27 on Jul 10, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VDN is pushing the power forward who can play the perimeter a ton.
If they play Johnson at the PF, than Tyrus is good as gone. This means they would have drafted 2 power forwards, one with Tyrus’ offensive skills, the other with his defensive skills.
Crap. Just trade Tyrus now so I don’t have to hear people argue about it for the next 4 months.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 10, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. If we lose Tyrus for nothing, though, I will be so pissed.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
DO NOT TRADE TYRUS
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 11, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RATHER
GIVE HIM CONSISTENT MINUTES
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 11, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what does his size have to do with it.
Hedo is like 6’10", but he’s no PF.
by Unrealcity on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it has more to do with his weight
being up near 250
by runningman on Jul 12, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay! Taj Gibson
I hear he’s polite. Boozer probably doesn’t even know the reporters’ names.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 10, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Hunter's coming back
“Del Negro confirmed Lindsey Hunter would return, probably as a player. “I love Lindsey’s leadership,” Del Negro said."
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 10, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course Hunter is coming back
He is the Bulls best coach.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 10, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
I swear these digs at Vinny will never get old
It’s kind of like late night talk shows (or really any comedy show for that matter) while President Bush was in office. They all hated his guts and cracked jokes about him constantly. But now that he’s gone they’re scrambling for new things to make fun of. Vinny is our President Bush. As much as we want him out, this place just won’t be the same without him.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 11, 2009 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that we might actually win and play defense.
If we get a real coach that is.
by Unrealcity on Jul 12, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you say "probably as a player,"
that in and of itself should make it apparent that he doesn’t belong on an NBA squad.
by dakoose on Jul 11, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh brother
“Kirk had a slow start last season because of his [thumb] injury but he made such a huge impact for us with his leadership on and off the court,” Del Negro said. “He’s our best defender and has versatility to help our young point guard develop. He’s a big, big positive for us and I expect him to have a great year.”
He isn’t going anywhere, is he?
by Option27 on Jul 10, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich's going to Portland.
I don’t care if i have to drive him there myself!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll help
Whats the half way point?
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 10, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Utah?
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
You can drop off Tyrus.
(It’s probably closer to Denver)
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 10, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys really ought to just pitch in on a plane ticket
Portland to Kansas City was the worst road trip ever, and it’s got to be horrible in the dead of summer.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woah woah woah
We are in a recession my friend…
The most I can offer is a train ticket.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 11, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, train tickets are actually often more expensive?
You can get coach for around $250 – less than the cost of gas.
But if airfare’s a hangup, I guess it’ s Greyhound for poor old $9.5 million Kirk.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say bus
But figured it would be more expensive because it’s faster. It is faster right?
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 11, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How pathetic is it that I actually looked it up to be sure? ;)
One-way fare, August 4th departure (since we’re going cheap, this gets the 3 week advance purchase and Tuesday travel deals)
Greyhound Chicago to Portland – $94.00 (47 hours travel) For an extra $5 he can have priority seating and pre-board the bus!
Amtrak Chicago to Portland – $150.00 (46 hours travel)
Delta Chicago to Portland – $160.20 (6 hours travel)
Having Kirk on a team where he’s actually wanted and will be appreciated – priceless. Of course, he might be broken after 2 days on a bus/train. ;)
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quick, how much does a U-Haul cost? :P
Congrats to Amtrak, the world’s most absurd mode of travel.
by Sports2 on Jul 11, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Amtrak makes sense ...
if you’re traveling to somewhere in your state.
:P
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 11, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a man baby!
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 11, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice Austin Powers reference.
It’s not his fault he doesn’t know that she is a woman. Her user name is that way on purpose.
by Unrealcity on Jul 12, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the CBA stipulate if a deal can be rescinded if the player is damaged on his way to signing the contract?
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 11, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think anyone who has dreams of Kurt leaving need to give it up
the only Bull who has a chance to be traded this summer is Tyrus… For a box of magic beans, and a hair piece for Pax.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 10, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basketball Smurf's going to Portland.
I don’t care if i have to drive him there myself!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
harsh
it’s beautiful, but the sports fans there are intolerable!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 10, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are on the Blazers
we love you. very passionate, that’s all. no other pro sports team. this is a basketball town.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my friend goes to U of O and he says you guys suck big time
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jul 10, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
umm
1. im talking about blazers fans not residents of the city of portland
2. im sure there are plenty of portlandeers in eugene
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jul 10, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he lives in Oregon and says Blazer fans suck...
Then hes a fucking idiot. Or a fan of another NBA team. Same thing :)
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 10, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
REC!
Obviously a total idiot.
Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 11, 2009 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you allowed to curse on BE?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 11, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll be back posting on here like our friend Arvydas
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 11, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 11, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oH SNAP
Talk about harsh. lol
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 11, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol!
i couldn’t have guessed you were passionate!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 10, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marionette's staying in Chicago.
I don’t care if i have to drive him…….wait……
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll help with the driving.
Only fair if Gordon goes, so does Kurt.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 10, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great!!
Everyone can come! Except axel360. I don’t like what he’s done with Guns’n’Roses!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't like what I've done with Guns'n'Roses?
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't make me bring up Chinese Democracy!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies.
I assumed you knew about the band Guns’n’Roses. Bad joke. Sorry…..Go Bulls.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know who they are
but it still confusing
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell is confusing about it?!!!
Axl Rose was the lead singer of the rock band Guns n Roses, you’re name is Axl. TA-DA!!!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
*your
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL! Holy Shit!
You’re all right with me axel360!! You’re all right.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This will only continue
to happen as more teens use Rock Band and their game consoles to educate themselves about music.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jul 10, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
rock band doesn’t credit band members?
i honestly don’t know and am surprised (wouldn’t think little steven would let that happen).
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 11, 2009 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh, i want Kurt gone too
but the Bulls have long term plans for him. And I mean LONG TERM. In 15 years, who do you think will be replacing Paxson? The Captain, of course.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 10, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
OH MY GOD!!!!
KIRK IS ANAKIN SKYWALKER!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I was eating cereal
and i read that comment…i must now have my keyboard cleaned!!!
HIGH-LARRY-US!!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 11, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sad truth is a stoned Kirk Hinrich
would probably do as good as a sober-faced Paxdorf.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jul 10, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk would have traded himself by now
by Sports2 on Jul 10, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or given himself another contract extension
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 11, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come now.
Stoned AND dunk.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jul 11, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he'd still be the best point guard on the blazers!
(Kidding)
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jul 11, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kirk*
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 11, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Blog a Bull, he is "Kurt"
since that is what Vinny calls him.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 11, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would be a perfect fit for the Blazers then
Rice already calls him Kurt Hien-rich
"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner
by 92wastheyear on Jul 11, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol now that you say it...
VDN indeed does say Kurt.
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 13, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really just hope people don't show to games.
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After selling out for all these years
you really think people will stop showing up?
impossible
by Option27 on Jul 10, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe you thought anything else. And, of course, that affects the 2010 cap space....
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jul 11, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also beginning to think
that KC is actually the 4th head/actual mouth of the monster that is Gar Paxdorf. Should we now call “it” Gar Paxdorhnson?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
Garcy Paxdorf ftw. I like it.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paxdorfshon* (sp)???
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
Gar-PaxDor….it really is a zelda villain isnt it?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 11, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
NO its not a zelda villian
but it can be defeated with a FALCON PUNCH!
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 11, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the Jazz have to max the "toxic" offer/signing bonus?
Or can they just offer Milsap equal/more money in a differently packaged contract? Unless Utah has to match the front loaded part of the contract, I can see them matching this extension easily.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 10, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Utah has to match
the signing bonus and front loaded contract. no way utah can do it unless they trade boozer
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh they can...
And will…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 10, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm....
I realize that Detroit wanted Ben, and he was a UFA, but am I the only one that thinks it would have been better for everybody if we signed and traded Ben for Boozer? Then sent Kirk to Portland for Blake & Bayless, or even Blake and Outlaw.
Then Detroit wouldn’t have a backcourt clusterfuck, Utah would be stacked, and we would have pretty unbulleivable depth, while maintaining decent 2010 cap room, and also be stocked with a good mix of young and veteran talent ready to be signed and traded for a Bosh or a Wade…
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
by kidronmusic on Jul 10, 2009 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Utah wants to shed salary
they don’t want to take back a contract for Boozer.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 10, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah yeah, I knew that...
Just momentarily forgot that key point.
Still though, Gordon would have been an awesome addition for them…
Deron, Gordon, AK47, Milsap, Okur…. that’s a solid starting five. But I guess they could just trade Boozer for Rip Hamilton now and accomplish the same thing if they were willing to take back the salary.
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
by kidronmusic on Jul 10, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Utah is pissed that
boozer, okur, and korver all exercised their options. they could give a shit about those guys. they like millsap
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
newbie here...
just wanted to get involved with Blog-a-Bull…
I think the Millsap offer sheet is a good thing. Here’s hoping it speeds up a potential Boozer to Chicago trade.
Anyone ever figure out why Sam Smith and KC Johnson are so adament the trade rumor is false?
by HINrichPolice on Jul 10, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I honestly think they are being told to keep quiet by PaxGarDorf
and believing it to be in the teams best interest they are adhering. KC is a beat writer, he needs to stay on good terms with them. And I don’t care what disclaimer is on the site, Sam works for the Bulls
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 10, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose it's also possible that
the Bulls are simply lying about the talks, no?
by HINrichPolice on Jul 10, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I'd think KC and Sam can see through the lies
but just aren’t going to talk about it
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 10, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this deal had any legs, wouldn't it be done like yesterday?
I figure the Jazz will end up trading Boozer to the Thundercats for a year, or something like that.
by Sports2 on Jul 10, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't buy into the theory...
Of when there is smoke there is fire…you know, like the rumors of the past when Gasol/Garnett etc were traded…
At this point, there are too many moving parts and variables at work…ie the wildcard is Portland at this point…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 10, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely buy the theory that the Jazz and Blazers are doing something
But I don’t see much evidence the Bulls are involved.
Hence, I figure Boozer ends up in OKC where they can take him under the cap and give back very little for a one year rental.
Or maybe Dallas, who now has Greg Buckner’s mostly NG deal and mostly spare parts that can save the Jazz $5M or so in the right trade. Cuban probably wouldn’t pass up a no brainer like that. Of course, I wouldn’t think even the Bulls would pass up getting in the 2010 race and getting a 27 year old 3 time all-star for their sixth man.
by Sports2 on Jul 11, 2009 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus, 99% of rumors turn out to be false.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jul 11, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Bulls offseason has become very Cub-like.
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope that when the season starts the comparisons stop.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jul 10, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You actually think that's possible this year?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jul 11, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll never give up my Hinrich jersey, though
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Jul 10, 2009 9:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
What happens when you wet the bed with a mega trade?
Prop up your 16th pick in the 2009 NBA draft. Send the memo to the Tribune.
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT - Has anyone here paid for the summer league pass?
If so what kind of quality are the streams? Better than when they were free in the past?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you have to pay
to watch summer league now?
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sucks
i watched a couple of the summer league games in orlando.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, it really does suck
but I guess it’s kinda cool that you can watch any of the games at any time you wish. It really sucked when the Bulls played at a really odd time and you missed it and could never see the game
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over here
the Blazer games are broadcast on TV and our regular radio play-by-play guys are announcing the game on the radio
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must ne nice
I always wondered why the Bulls never did it
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the default summer leage announcers
They are Ka-Ray-Zee and refreshing…plus they tell chuck norris jokes…
Did you know chuck norris doesnt read, he just stares hard at a book until it tells him everything he needs to know
Chuck norris doesnt sleep….he waits…
Chuck norris once counted to infinity….TWICE!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 11, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh its on
chuck norris’ tears cure cancer. too bad he’s never cried.
death once had a near- chuck norris experience.
chuck norris was an original member of the Wu-Tang Clan, but quit after a week because they weren’t “street” enough. (personal fave because i’m the hugest Wu-Tang fan around)
as a teen chuck norris impregnated every nun in a convent tucked awat in the hills of Tuscany. nine months later the nuns gave birth to the 1972 Miami Dolphins, the only undefeated and untied team in professional football history. (of course a fave because i love my Dolphins!!!)
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Jul 11, 2009 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good
Now all we have to do is change that last joke from the ’72 Dolphins to the ’85 Bears, the best team in the history of professional football;)
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 11, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my fave chuck norris fact
is Chuck Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 11, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck Norris got nothing on Lee Jun-Fan
He killed Chuck Norris! But if you insist…
Outer space exists because it’s afraid to be on the same planet as Chuck Norris
Chuck Norris is so fast he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head
Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door
There are no races, only countries Chuck Norris has beaten to different shades of black and blue
Chuck Norris’s house has no doors, only walls he walks through
Chuck Norris doesn’t actually write books, the words assemble them out of fear
Chuck Norris doesn’t shave, he kicks himself in the face. The only thing that can cut Chuck Norris is Chuck Norris.
Chuck Norris always knows the exact location of Carmen SanDiego
Chuck Norris invented black. In fact, he invented the entire spectrum of visible light. Except pink. Tom Cruise invented pink.
Chuck Norris has the greatest Poker-Face of all time. He won the 1983 World Series of Poker, despite holding only a Joker, a Get out of Jail Free Monopoly card, a 2 of clubs, 7 of spades and a green #4 card from the game UNO.
Chuck Norris ordered a Big Mac at Burger King and got one
Chuck Norris and Mr. T walked into a bar. The bar was instantly destroyed, as that level of awesome cannot be contained in one building.
The show Survivor had the original premise of putting people on an island with Chuck Norris. There were no survivors, and nobody is brave enough to go to the island to retrieve the footage.
It takes Chuck Norris 20 minutes to watch 60 Minutes.
James Cameron wanted Chuck Norris to play the Terminator. However, upon reflection, he realized that would have turned his movie into a documentary, so he went with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Suck on that! And I don’t even like the guy!
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 11, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light.
Not because he is afraid of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris.
When Chuck Norris does a push-up he doesn’t lift himself up, he pushes the earth down.
Ninjas dream of one day growing up to be like Chuck Norris. But most ninjas only grow up to be killed by Chuck Norris.
Chuck Norris can divide by zero.
The only fights Chuck Norris has ever lost were in the movies, to prove how good an actor he is.
If by some space time paradox Chuck Norris could fight himself, Chuck Norris would win. Period!
Chuck Norris doesn’t wear a watch. He decides what time it is.
When the Boogey Man goes to sleep, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.
The only person who cried when Chuck Norris was born was the doctor. Never slap Chuck Norris.
Chuck Norris did in fact build Rome in a day.
There’s no such thing as Global Warming. Chuck Norris was cold, so he turned the sun up.
Contrary to popular belief, there is enough Chuck Norris to go around.
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could Chuck Norris? All of it.
Chuck Norris does not own a stove, oven or microwave, because revenge is a dish best served cold.
Chuck Norris once played Russian Roulette with a loaded gun and won.
If a tree falls in the woods does anyone hear it? Yes. Chuck Norris hears it. He hears everything.
Staring at Chuck Norris for extended periods of time without proper protection can cause permanent eye damage and possibly foot shaped bruise to the face.
Chuck Norris grinds his coffee with his teeth and boils the water with his rage.
Chuck Norris doesn’t style his hair. It lays perfectly in place out of sheer terror.
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe “The Hair” lays perfectly in place out of sheer terror of Gar Paxdorf.
by Unrealcity on Jul 12, 2009 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year I watched at work
and risked my job to get an early glimpse of Rose. I am not that interested in it this year, though it would have been nice to have been able to time shift it so it wasn’t smack dab in the middle of my work day.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, last year's summer league was about 1000 times more interesting
but I’m sure once there’s a game on I’ll get excited again and have to watch.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that Rose kinda sucked in the summer league.
by Unrealcity on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big time
I remember being convinced that he sucked after seeing the problems he was having with just dribbling the ball up the court. I guess summer league really doesn’t mean shit. Somehow it still sucks me in though.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 11, 2009 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Summer league is still meaningful just like college ball is meaningful.
But you actually have to look at players’ skills and whether those skills fit a role in the NBA. Scoring 20 points per game in college can be just as meaningless as scoring 20 points per game in summer league. But, at least summer league is played at an NBA pace with NBA rules. The things that Derrick could do on the NBA level were there in summer league along with all the things he really struggled with on the NBA level.
by Scotter on Jul 11, 2009 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course the abilities were there
but he didn’t demonstrate any of them. The summer league is like a bizarro world where random players shine, such as when Marco Belinelli went nuts a couple years back. At least it feels that way.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 11, 2009 5:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you're not doing a good job of scouting.
Rose showed enough in summer league. Belinelli is exactly the type of player people get fooled by in summer league and college. He had 1 or 2 games where he was hot with his inconsistent jumper, but most smart observers weren’t fooled by a couple of games where his jumper fell. The people who think summer league is meaningless are usually the same people who get fooled every year by summer league scoring outbursts.
by Scotter on Jul 11, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, who ever said I'm a smart observer?
Most of the time I’m a drunk observer. Rose sucked in summer league. He was dribbling balls off his foot, standing around at the three point line, basically doing nothing and that’s when he was actually playing rather than being out with knee tendinitis. So I’d love to know exactly what you saw that me and my retarded basketball mind missed. Also, I was never “fooled” by Belinelli. I was just kinda trying to make a joke. He was just the first guy I could think of. There are several others that played well, who weren’t just hitting jump shots.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless scored 30 points a game
Too bad he was playing shooting guard (not his real position in the NBA).
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 11, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are the games open to the public?
I was hoping to drive up there and check out a game and lose some money while I’m in town.
by ronmexibull on Jul 10, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone keep talking about the Bulls?
Omg,Is this a Bulls blogging site? I’m so embarrased….i thought this was Craigslist! Boy is my face red, i gave out my ‘measurements’ and everything! Oh well… I hope the Bulls get this Portland trade done and i really hope Bayless is part of the deal!! Imagine him and Rose in the backcourt!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we please...
ban Portland related posts.
by McCabe on Jul 10, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya.
I’m just glad the Bulls are at least TRYING to make some moves! Now if you’ll excuse me…i have to go to the bathroom and BLAZE some TRAILS of my own!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really don't understand why
Bulls fans hate the Blazers. I really don’t mind the Bulls.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rather enjoy Bulls vs Blazers 92
for sega back in the day. If memory serves it was the only basketball video game that Jordan was in for quite some time
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 10, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to rock my jehri curl just like Drexlers' back in the eighties!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your memory is correct sir :-)
the other games would only let you create a Jordan-like player
by NormVanBeer on Jul 10, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Player #23
College: North Carolina
Height : 6’6
Position: SG
Bullshit
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 11, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we forgetting
Jordan Vs Bird? You could be Jordan in that game… or Bird. But Bird sucked because he couldn’t dunk.
by T-Boogie on Jul 11, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, I definitely forgot about that
Bird didn’t suck that bad because they let him hit pretty much anything beyond the 3-point line!
by NormVanBeer on Jul 11, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Blazers...
I hate obnoxious trolling Blazers fans. You all are the worst type of faux-informed.
I hate making generalized statements such as that and I am sure there are many perfectly tolerable Blazers fans, but your representation does nothing to support this possibility.
by McCabe on Jul 10, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
Pritchard makes two astute picks and suddenly they are the greatest team to ever play. Does anyone remember Oden/Durant? Even a retard like Bill Simmons could predict that one.
by McCabe on Jul 10, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not to add fuel to the fire but
if u look at all the team throughout NBA history that are as young as the Blazers, it is quite astounding what they’ve been able to accomplish. young teams just dont win in the NBA.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly have they accomplished that anyone really cares about?
I’m pretty sure they lost in the first round to the Rockets this year. Woohoo!!!!! Progress!!!!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obscure players for an obscure city!! BLAZERMANIA IS BACK!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The playoff series hurt
but the youngest team in the nba averages approximately half of the number of wins the blazers got.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just think, if you had actually drafted Durant
(like a legitimately smart GM would have), you guys might have accomplished something that the rest of the NBA cares about. Such a shame. I bet Pritch is still slapping himself over that one.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hence the nickname Pritchslap.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Illini15,
that is a CRAZY statement. every other gm would have taken him.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every other GM? Doubtful
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Houston or Orlando wouldn't have.
But everyone else would have
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just busting your balls
I would have drafted Oden as well. It’s just fun messing with you Blazers fans.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
However, I bet Pritch IS still slapping himself over the pick. Ha!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Durant can fill it up
but i dont know if he does much more than that. i mean, iverson can score. doesnt necessarily win games. the best of the best, the kobes or mjs do it all
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an incredibly ridiculous blanket statement
He’s a near-superstar offensive player, but that doesn’t do jack shit for his team!!!!
Yeah, okay.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's one of the worst defenders in the league
So, it kind of dampens what he can do on offense, but he is a really talented scorer.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and his scoring certainly wins games.
He commands double teams and is virtually unguardable. He has the capability of altering an opposing team’s defensive gameplan as only a handful of other perimeter players in the league can do. It’s too bad he’s Rose-like on defense, you’re right, but people are insane if they still think they’d draft Oden. Even the Blazers homers.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Thunder had a better record without Durant last year
That should tell you something about his D. He’s a fantasy basketball stud though.
by KitIsh on Jul 11, 2009 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might think about it a little differently
since we lived through the incredible Zach Randolph era. Incredible scoring ability …great rebounder……..no defense …none.
So we aren’t as impressed with scoring phenoms who don’t defend
"He wanted to come to a winner, Mrs. Turk wanted to go shopping….."
- Upper Left Corner
by 92wastheyear on Jul 11, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Suns...
had an average age of 25 in 04-05 and won…62 games? Seriously shut the fuck up.
by McCabe on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
i doubt that. they had 3 established VETERAN stars. blazer dont even have anyone thats 30
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
Marion – 26
Richardson – 24
Johnson and Amare – 22
Barbosa – 22
They did have the 30 year old Nash, but they also got to the Western Conference Finals.
by McCabe on Jul 10, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why you're getting so mad
The Suns were about a year older and won 8 more games. Here’s a pretty good post about age related win % in the NBA from BEdge.
by KitIsh on Jul 11, 2009 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and your point is?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually really like the Blazers. And the city of Portland.
But many of your fans are pretty smug.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jul 10, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't say I disagree.
a lot of blazer fans have a weird obsession with nicolas batum. but in general, i dont think blazer fans overestimate the team. have you ever talked to a rocket, jazz, laker, or celtics fan? yikes
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lakers and Celtics fans...
suck. Jazz and Rockets fans are in no way shape or form as bad as Portland fans.
by McCabe on Jul 10, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCabe you are one mean motor-scooter!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really have no idea what that means.
That aside, it has been a day of the same shit as every Bulls v. Blazers open thread or any potential trade with them and I just can’t take it. It is like having my balls sawed off while listening to tapes of Bill Walton, Kevin Pritchard, and this jackass describing anal sex with with Star Jones for 666 years.
by McCabe on Jul 10, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bill Waltons' voice is sexy!
“Take it to the HOLE big man!”
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I love it when you call me big fella
-biggie song
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 11, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Er....poppa
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 11, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....
Walton says fella. I keep fucking correcting him but he refuses to get it right.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 11, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. What a description.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's some sort of permanent thing
or something that’s been going on for a while. It’s just that every once in a while a certain franchise will have an uptick where they will be very successful, and as a result their fanbase becomes extremely arrogant and unlikeable (in other words, douchebags).
They begin to do things like: deify their general manager (who also happens to think his shit doesn’t stink, further complicating matters) constantly comparing 7th and 8th men on their bench to current members of the hall of fame, going to other team’s web sites to gloat about their team, etc. It just so happens that, that current team, city, fanbase belongs to the Portland Trailblazers.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. For instance, you seem like a good enough guy. And there are plenty others which have come around that I really enjoy discussing basketball with. But, for the time being, they/you are unfortunately far from the majority. And until that changes, I will be of the opinion that Portland Trailblazers fans are douchebags.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
its a jealousy thing
Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 11, 2009 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Serious question
If it is a jealousy thing (which I can’t blame you for thinking that btw) then why is Portland the team that’s being singled out? Why would people on here not be talking shit about a team like the Cavs or Lakers? Teams that people would have WAY more of a reason to be jealous of. The Blazers have a nice little team, but it’s hardly a situation to drool over.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 11, 2009 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehhh if we are talking about
contract to talent ratio… its fairly easy to find yourself drowning in drool.
But like someone else said – fast forward a year and things start looking different
Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 11, 2009 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of that contract to talent ratio talk is bullshit
Give me LeBron James, one other good to great player and a few mid-level exception guys and you can stack up as many middling Rudys, Batums or Bayless’s you want, but you guys are still going home crying every year.
If you have the best player on the floor, most of the time you win. Sooner or later most of these guys on your squad are gonna want at least one of these two things: more money or more playing time. And once they realize that the Blazers can’t give it to them, things will start to get ugly. Watch.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 11, 2009 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
contract to talent ratio?
am I the owner of the Bulls? because otherwise I don’t give a shit how cheap their talent is if its not enough to win it all. the Lakers have some terrible contracts, I guess their fans must be really jealous of the Blazers too?
and don’t forget the Bulls were in almost this exact same situation. if there’s one rule in the NBA its that bargains don’t last long, and often you end up overpaying for those one time bargains (Hinrich, Nocioni, Deng)
by JSlakov on Jul 11, 2009 5:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious about that.
Do you really get jealous of other teams? It’s this strange preoccupation you guys have…we don’t care. Really. The entire rest of the league. Glad you guys have a nice team, but really, I think about my team. And when i do think about another team, its because the Bulls are playing them, or potentially trading with them. Or I think about basketball in slightly more abstract terms. But the times i’ve been on BE, it seems to come up, this notion that the rest of the NBA is crouching in Grendel-like fashion around the Rose garden, wishing they were within. It borders on a shared delusion. It’s truly strange.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jul 11, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't
I got banned from BE.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 11, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For cussing?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 11, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why am I still here?
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A very existential question from SOULEATER.
Sorry,i just find that amusing.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your dad must have gotten lucky at some point.
Next.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my turn..
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"We have to kill the Batman. Here's my card."
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
What do you mean 'at some point'?
He’s STILL gettin lucky!! He stole old girlfriend a year ago and he’strying to put the moves on my current girlfriend right now!! Dad quit it!!! She doesn’t want any champagne!!! I gotta go……
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From Broussard and Stein
The Blazers, meanwhile, are still hoping to land a top-quality player this summer without surrendering any coveted assets, as evidenced by their unwillingness to part with Bayless in trade talks with the Bulls and Jazz.
Wow, Pritchard is really annoying. Guess what, Pritchslappy? Even you might have to give up assets when you’re trying to make an upgrade on the team!!! (Even when that “asset” is only your 4th guard at best!)
::rolls eyes::
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4320029
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think KP is willing to give up young assets
but not for hinrich. no offense. word is we could land devin harris
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA
Post like these are why you guys get a bad rap. You really think you’re getting Devin Harris? And let’s be real, Mr. Pritchard is apparently the guy who has been salivating over Captain Kurt forever now, so why would he think he can get him for free? Does that make any sense to you?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahah
you ain’t getting shit now and by shit I mean Kurt Hinrich!
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a Man off
Who you got?
Kurt Hinrich or Captain James T. Kirk?
I gotta go Kurt. He’s corn fed where as that Kirk nobody is fascinated by cowboys and indians.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ric Bucher of ESPN
said we could get devin harris. he is pretty reliable
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have an Amare Stoudamire GSW jersey for sale
Interested?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but do you really think you guys are trading Roy, Oden, or LMA?
You won’t even trade Bayless or Batum. You’re not getting Harris.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so u know more than bucher about who is available?
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre telling me you can get harris for nothing?
by sin on Jul 11, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pritchard will call every day with a package of Blake, Rudy, Outlaw, pick, cash until Kiki & Co. give up
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 11, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, I'd love to know where you saw that
Harris has like THE best contract in the league if you consider production and don’t consider rookie contracts. I don’t think the Nets are letting him go
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ric Bucher is one of the top NBA guys
if he thinks we could get him and i believe him. no offense, but none of u guys know the league anywhere near as well as he does.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it burn inside your soul that you missed on this?
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
All i can say is
Blazers: 54 wins
Thunder: 23 wins
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its okay to cry, axel.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did that Mike Jordan guy turn out for the Bulls? :)
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 10, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does this feel for you?
I bet that was a great year!
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
how about this asshole!
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Honestly
i cant say anything bad about MJ. he was the best.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JORDAN TRUMPS ANY ARGUMENT!!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
I can say something..SAM FUCKING BOWIE
Nah get out of my City bitch!
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lets not be mean fellas.
But seriously…. that Bowie sure got a pretty mouth!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
i get you are happy that u got jordan (the best player EVER). shouldnt that be enough? do u need to rub it in that the blazers messed up too?
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
give us Bayless.
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and walk away.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is
NOBODY likes Bayless as much as KP.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP (on the phone with Paxson):
And by the way, we’re keeping Bayless! Ha! You’ve just been Pritchslapped!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody like anyone on the Blazers' entire roster as much as KP?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has been accused
of overvaluing the young players he drafted. but he especially likes bayless
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and Rudy
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
Rudy is just a fan favorite. I think KP would trade rudy
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then give us Rudy and call it a deal
I don’t believe that at all, though.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy AND Outlaw?
For Kirk Hinrich? Thats not worth it.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What.
You upgrade your PG position by giving up a SG prospect who will never start on your team (unless KP actually does fuck up the Roy extension) and a guy with an expiring deal who clearly isn’t in your future plans. Not worth it? Are you actually Kevin Pritchard himself?!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, actually
You wouldn’t even need to include Outlaw. Just give us Rudy.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers don't have the cap room
Rudy only makes 1.1 million. hinrich makes 9.5 million. we dont have 8.4 million in cap.
by axel360 on Jul 11, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure you could toss in some other filler
you guys have like 288903820 “assets” which could work to make the numbers match.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 11, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Blazers wanted Hinrich
they would have already got him.
by axel360 on Jul 11, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not even close to being true, but good try buddy.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 11, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it is
you really don’t think that blazers have had the ability to get hinrich? they have, but they haven’t.
by axel360 on Jul 11, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have the ability
but they only want to give up shit. We’re not taking crap for Kirk. He’s better than your garbage, even when it’s multiple pieces.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 11, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of it is
because hinrich makes so much. he would be the highest paid player on the blazers.
by axel360 on Jul 11, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His contract is declining
and that’s also because you guys have a bunch of players on rookie deals. Fast forward to next year and that’s no longer the case.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 11, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but 9.5 million
is still a little steep. I still think Outlaw and Blake for Hinrich makes sense.
by axel360 on Jul 11, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did Bucher tell you that?
48 minutes of intensity...RIP NVL.
by Lt.Dan on Jul 11, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No Respect! No Respect at all!!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither of those guys are franchise players.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jul 11, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wakka wakka
Rodney Dangerfield is a franchise player.
by jyw on Jul 14, 2009 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude nobody is taking your trash
for all-star level players or even starters. Gotta give something to get something.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be something like
Outlaw, Rudy, and Bayless for harris. Nets are hurting financially right now
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zzzzzzz
Wishful thinking. Trading Harris for that does what for NJ? Nothing.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 10, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucher also said
Harris is overrated. he had free reign on a team that wasnt very talented. he would get like 15 ppg and 6 apg on portland. think the devin that was on the mavs, not the one that was on the nets.
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...they were basically the same Devin Harris.
except with the Nets he got way more PT and got to the line WAY more.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His stats went way up
so people think his trade value has went way up. this isnt the case. devin harris isnt a star and people that know the NBA know that
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, then it makes perfect sense
to give up both Rudy and Bayless to get him. ;)
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just mad he made that one buzzer beater
Stole a little of Roy’s spotlight from the Rockets game.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 11, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think that was crap
They showed it leaving his hands in time over and over, but if that’s the case I say the clock had to start late. I think they gave him a couple of dribbles before the time ever started counting.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ric bucher
has been wrong plenty of times. most notably that kobe was going to be traded
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 10, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't bring that up!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you realize
that these “experts” are wrong more often than they are right.
by NormVanBeer on Jul 10, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, i thought you were dead!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Pritch is a genius
No way Brandon Roy is worth a max contract. A 24 PER in his third NBA season is simply a fluke. If Pritchard allows us to witness his genius, he will find a way to take another look at how much Roy delivers versus how much he gives up. Millsap is a much better option to stack the roster at the 4 and 5 positions.
May I propose the Blazers send Roy and his max contract demands packing in a deal that lands John Salmons and Kirk Hinrich as the cornerstone guards with locked in contracts to make room for the development of the young Blazers squad so that Jerryd Bayless may coast into his role as the Blazers SG of the future.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Look at these amazing skills of Kevin Pritchard
Roy has one year left on his contract and would like a max deal (five years). He said it was "50-50’’ something would get done this summer.Brandon Roy is so old he’s already getting AARP membership offers at age 24. If he remains a Blazer this will significantly impact their role as the youngest roster in the NBA.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-bag!
I hope Matt is asleep!
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW.
This Bulls-Blazers saga is really OFF THE WALL!!
R.I.P. MJ
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if
Wolves fans hate Kevin Pritchard for the Roy-Foye trade?
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha, you know they do
Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 11, 2009 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wolves fans hate the Blazers more than Bulls fans
With them, its real.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 11, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Roy in a heartbeat
He would be the best sg on the bulls since mj and jo jo english
Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.
by drakedog on Jul 11, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is this plastered all over espn.com and espn news if it’s 100% not true as all these sources are reporting?
I’m not sure I’ve seen something with 0 truth (what SS and others keep saying) to it posted so much in recent time…
And the only way the Blazers are “forcing” Utah into trading Boozer in a 3 team deal that helps Portland is if the Bulls are set on trading Hinrich as part of this deal. We could just as easily throw another expiring (Tim Thomas) in a deal with another team below the cap, take back something of their’s and that team could take on a few million that Utah wants to shed. So I don’t think this is quite the “now you’re screwed” move that people are making it out to be by Pritchard. I like the way the guy works, but the only thing Portland seems to have done is hurried Utah’s plans and set a decent value offer for Milsap.
by RyPac13 on Jul 10, 2009 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There seem to be other places they could potentially trade Boozer
and then match the offer on Milsap.
Which leaves the Blazers with jack shit, unless you guys plan on framing screenshots of those ESPN.com rumors.
by Sports2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wanna let you guys know when Matt gets back...
I love everyone who rec me! When he wakes up he will blogacute me!
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all 3 of you!
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 10, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you ever think of simply posting links to the photos?
that you love so much?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man Bulls fans are freaking awesome...
you guys hate Portland almost as much as your own team. ALMOST
...God is good, Beer is GREAT, and people are crazy...
by Coconut Pete on Jul 10, 2009 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
About a third of the way into it Bucher talks Devin Harris:
by axel360 on Jul 10, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No one here cares
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saying
harris isnt untouchable!
by axel360 on Jul 11, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is a Bulls blog....
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 11, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The title:
“Blazers offer Milsap 4 year deal (a.k.a. another Boozer thread)”
Its about the BLAZERS offering Millsap a contract.
by axel360 on Jul 11, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, it's about how the Blazers offer to Millsap changes the rumors about us getting Boozer.
Seriously, we care about how this affects OUR TEAM!
by Unrealcity on Jul 12, 2009 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In case anyone is interested in something besides thread-bombing and blatant trolling
Sources say that the Team USA power forward has been directly informed by the Jazz that he is no longer in the team’s long-term plans, prompting Boozer to urge Utah to trade him. Chicago, New York, Miami and Detroit are believed to be the teams most interested in acquiring Boozer, who has only one year left on his contract worth $12.7 million after passing up the opportunity to become a free agent this summer.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 10, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Link?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 10, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And man, it would really suck ass if Detroit gets him
Boozer and Gordon? Crimeny.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 11, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam smith chimes in again
Jerry Reinsdorf: Where bidding $148 Million on a bankrupt hockey team happens, but not re-signing your best basketball player happens.
by chibullsfan03 on Jul 11, 2009 12:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He has to be getting paid by the Bulls, right?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 11, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Bulls understand that the fans aren't too happy.
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 11, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is beautiful...
Boozer certainly doesn’t seem worth breaking up your team for.
little late isn’t it?
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 11, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What the fuck is that?
What is wrong with Sam Smith (aside from obviously being paid in gold bullion by JR)? Does he really think this team as currently constituted is a contender in the east? Doesn’t seem worth blowing it up? Maybe the bulls should have thought about that before they let bg walk away fro nothing.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 11, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
These guys must live in a fucking bubble
Do they really not look around at the rest of the league?
by Sports2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He is at least admiting that there is some talk.
Are the bulls really trying to get Boozer just for expiring contracts?
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Jul 11, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you read that?
Not in that article…
by smash! on Jul 11, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone else think
that Sam, KC, Pax, and Gar are all huddled into a dark room right at this very moment crying and consoling each other, hoping that this all just magically goes away?
by NormVanBeer on Jul 11, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i felt that.
They are all the GM’s…evil. JR the emperor.
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 11, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have been mentally broken after famous "Kobe trade".
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Jul 11, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Pax is at some beach calling into Portland radio shows
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 11, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't give a shit if this makes the Bulls better anymore
It’s all about Sam Smith eating his words from here on out
by Option27 on Jul 11, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The sad part is
I’m at my store here and all these customers keep asking me if my team is getting Boozer.
You know what I say?
Sam Smith downplays it all
by Option27 on Jul 11, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago Bulls record 09-10 season.
50-32. may we please go from there. I love hater’s.
There are only thee types of people; makers, takers, and fakers. Which one are you???
by gaingrene on Jul 11, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it me or was KC Johnson unable to not smile because..
he knows he just so full of shit?
What do I think of Luol Deng? The only time he's ever played a full 82 games was a contract year. Thats called bullshitter my friends!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 11, 2009 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chiming in
Im sick of the Kirk hate. He is a very valuable member to the team. If the Bulls, let him go for peanuts with out replacing him in 2010with Dwade or worst case Joe Johnson, they lose.
I am very glad Portland forced Utah/ Chicago move with there power move. Very good job.
by Jesse07 on Jul 11, 2009 1:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is any of this angst even about possibly missing out on Boozer?
He’s nice player , but trading Tyrus and Hinrich for Boozer isn’t much more than a lateral move even if Bayless is included. Boozer adding more value than Tyrus and Hinrich next season is no sure thing, and the trade would close as many 2010 possibilities as it would open.
by Scotter on Jul 11, 2009 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Whoops didn't intend for that to be a reply to Jesse
by Scotter on Jul 11, 2009 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not against any trade
but i gotta say…even if this is the roster we are playing with next year…im excited….
and its not just my love for watching basketball, no….im intrigued to no end on what the bulls can do….if they fail horribly im gonna laugh and remember the thousand and 1 comments by matt and like about how the bulls suck.
I think im the kind of guy that likes to watch situations play out, i dont just like to know “what if?” i want to see it. In my head going into this season i have so many what ifs, or just general questions…
Can the bulls win without gordon?
How Good can D. Rose be with the pressure on him and no gordon?
Will D. rose show his abililtly as a true superstar?
Is deng going to be 100% healthy, and what can such a deng produce?
Can Kirk play the way he played immediately after injury, watching those games vs the later season games the difference is huge at least in terms of playing style….so id like to know if he can maintain that for past injury.
Can Vdn actually coach now that he finally has a year on his belt
did paxson know what he was doing all along
man….im just really excited to see the season and all the players….excited to see how much ben gordon mattered, excited to see this new page of the bulls adventure….
Im excited for this season to begin now…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 11, 2009 4:29 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
watch it
they’ll use expletives
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 11, 2009 3:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
what possibilities does it close? I guess trading Tyrus in a sign and trade, but if we have to extend the qualifying offer to Tyrus next season it will complicate things a lot in our negotiations with free agents. Better to get rid of him now if we want to players in the market next offseason.
It adds tons of long term cap space by losing Hinrich and a good big man to sign and trade if, say, the Raptors or Suns want a replacement for Bosh or Amare.
by JSlakov on Jul 11, 2009 5:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Suns or Raps want to trade those guys for Boozer?
It would put them in basically the same situation only with a worse player.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 11, 2009 5:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
but otherwise they’re just gonna lose their guys for nothing. Imagine Bosh is deadset on leaving Toronto (seems likely). Say he wants to go to the Bulls but wants the max contract that only Toronto can give him. Bulls sign and trade Boozer to Toronto, they get something for Bosh instead of nothing, Bosh gets his money and Bulls get Bosh. Everybody wins.
The alternative is Toronto lets Bosh go, they get nothing and they don’t have any caproom to replace him since they just signed Turkoglu and Bargnani.
by JSlakov on Jul 11, 2009 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, but you're assuming that Boozer would got to Toronto
and that Toronto would want Boozer, and that the two would be able to reach a contract agreement 3 months before Boozer can have his pick of the litter. Not exactly a slam dunk. As for Phoenix, everything I’ve read indicates that Stoudemire would be willing to stay in Phoenix, but the Suns can’t/don’t want to pay him. If that’s the case then there is no chance they would pay for Boozer.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 11, 2009 5:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for clarification
I’m talking about a sign and trade during the summer of 2010. Not sure if you realized that. We could also trade Boozer’s big expiring contract at the deadline for someone who wanted to rent a potential championship piece and get another expiring contract and first round pick or something.
Anyway, of course things have to play out a certain way, but my point wasn’t this was definitely going to happen, it was that having the Bird Rights to Boozer, plus a heck of a lot more cap space for next offseason is many more possibilities than having Hinrich’s bad contract and either Tyrus Thomas and his big qualifying offer or nothing.
I don’t see many possibilities closing with this trade, but I see a lot opening.
by JSlakov on Jul 11, 2009 5:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You definitely make some good points
in fact I think I pretty much agree with you. All I was saying was that I didn’t see a situation where Boozer would be sent to Toronto or Phoenix.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 11, 2009 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does it close 2010 possibilities?
At worst they have additional cap room ($9M that they didn’t before). And that they’ve replaced one sign and trade asset (Kirk) with another (Boozer).
by Sports2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
they’d also lose Tyrus Thomas , but in my opinion because of his capspace killing qualifying offer, he’d do more harm than good
by JSlakov on Jul 11, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer presents the same problem as Tyrus Thomas.
Boozer also has a cap hold. Tyrus’s qualifying offer can be rescinded at any time.
by Scotter on Jul 11, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean Tyrus.
As the sign and trade asset.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 11, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're giving up flexibility by consolidating two players
into one. It eliminates some options because Tyrus, unlike Boozer, could conceivably be resigned at a price that still leaves room for a max free agent signing. It eliminates some options because you’re sacrificing a player who you already have under contract and complete control of. It eliminates some options because you’re leaving the backcourt basically empty outside of Derrick. I’m sure you think Hinrich is easily replaced with that extra cap space, but I’m not convinced. He’s a perfect third guard off the bench who provides a good contrast to Rose, when backing him up. And they clearly played well together this season, much better than I ever anticipated. His contract isn’t an issue if he’s playing 30-35 minutes. I’m also pretty selective about who I want playing guard and I tend to see worse options, rather than better ones coming in FA.
by Scotter on Jul 11, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hinrich will be 30
this team isn’t trying to win until Rose is 30 (ok, 25?)
This trade is the true signal that they’re serious about ‘rebuilding around Rose’ that the Gordon thing started. Just let Boozer walk, he’ll likely have a so-so year anyway (fueled by random injuries and no team direction) and it’ll be an easy decision. I think he can make them ‘relevant’ for a season while not actually trying to win too much, and that they could find someone for the season to solidify the backcourt (Salmons and Rose will play heavy minutes in that scenario, obviously).
If they get a max free agent (a real one, Bosh or Wade) then it won’t matter if Hinrich’s here or his replacement is still yet to come, you have a pretty significant championship window just with two players (three if you believe in Deng, and I do). I mean, by then Rose will be up for a max extension and then the tax will keep the Bulls from properly filling out the roster, but I won’t be blogging by then. right? :)
Plus, Kirk at 35 minutes means 25+ minutes as the shooting guard. Yuck. I’m almost convinced his renaissance end of last season was a mirage, those 40% 3-point shooting years are rarer than the other years. I don’t see how Hinrich making $9m is more flexible than cap space. And they’re never going to pay Thomas.
But I don’t think the Bulls are serious about rebuilding either, so they’ll likely not do the deal and for some reason concern themselves with less important things like ‘guard depth in 09-10’ to sell us on relevance.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Clearly the FO values Kirk more than you do, since you don't value him at all
I think you’d give up future picks just to see him gone at this point. I think most, if not all, of that relates to Ben being gone
But you’re ignoring a lot of evidence that he played well with Derrick. Even playing out of his best position, he’s a better option at SG than most of the garbage that’s available out there right now. He shot better with Derrick than his overall average (.449 compared to .437) and Derrick shot better with Kirk than overall (.486 compared to .475). Just because he doesn’t do things as well as Ben on offense doesn’t mean he’s not decent in his own right. And not trading him now is not the same thing as a declaration that he’ll be here forever – you’re just choosing to interpret it that way so you can stay pissed at the org.
I probably would have done the trade, even with the gamble of Boozer’s health, attitude, and the whole one-year rental thing, but I definitely see where it’s a risk and there are distinct advantages to maintaining a good guard rotation and holding onto Tyrus for a little longer. I think it’s too early to go the screw 2009-10 route already.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Salmons is the SG
possibly for two more seasons, but certainly one. I’d be fine with dealing him instead (though it’s nice Salmons could play SF whereas Kirk can only in Vinny-world), though I don’t see the need to keep both. Again, Kirk had a nice bounce-back year but I’m not convinced it’s not a dead-cat bounce.
And since when does the FO value anything but 2010 cap space and Derrick Rose? I thought that was the plan. Thus how I’m trying to see ‘value’ through the prism of Gar Paxdorf. Kirk fits better on a team that’s trying to win something.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and not that Rose can't improve
but a Rose-Kirk backcourt seems the type to only know of the free-throw line as something of a legend, like the Loch Ness Monster or something…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you're going to pick someone up for a couple million in free agency
that does better? And who still also can handle the ball, shoot from outside, and defend? And who’s happy to sign a one-year contract for peanuts with the Bulls?
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
talking long-term.
and talking how the Bulls aren’t losing that much in 2009 by dealing kirk for expirings (or less)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually how did I get off on that idea...
they’d be getting not just ‘expirings’, but Carlos Boozer. They’d be fine with 38-43 wins with him just as with Kirk Hinrich and Thomas*. I think they have to be at that range if only to not be so bad FAs wouldn’ t even want to sniff the Bulls (‘relevance’)
*does anybody not think we’ll be seeing Brad Miller for entire 4th quarters this year?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already said I'd do the Boozer deal
It seems pretty dead right now. I disagree with you that unless the Bulls dump Kirk this offseason it means they aren’t serious about rebuilding.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then they have to hope Salmons opts out
they need max cap room and then some.
Not only that, the Bulls have signaled they’re not paying the tax, so even after getting a max FA they have to be absolutely perfect with their signings, and paying a 30 year old Hinrich in 2010 $9m isn’t correct value.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering he's not a good 2-guard
I don’t buy Scotter’s argument that he’s a correctly-paid 6th man as long as he gets a ton of minutes, since those minutes have to come at the two, and he’s not a great defender there and will be in the lower quarter in the league offensively.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is with this fixation that not trading Kirk now means you're stuck with him till he retires?
I hesitate to speak for Scotter, but I’m not saying that keeping him is the best thing the Bulls could do – I’m saying that there are worse options than keeping him for now. I think trading him for crap and saying to hell with the season is one of those worse options.
I don’t think he’s anywhere close to the bottom quarter of the league offensively as a backup SG. And he’s been defending the 2 most of his career, so I don’t know what you’re talking about there.
Besides, Vinny doesn’t seem to believe much in positions anyway. Have you bothered to look at the stats for Kirk and Derrick playing together, or have you been too busy chanting about how Kirk sucks to bother?
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying trading him for crap!
if it’s for nothing, that’s tanking the season, which I also don’t want to do. But this started as a Boozer deal. I’d extend it to any deal that wouldn’t get you ‘crap’. As a top-of head example, lets say Raja Bell. Are they tanking by replacing Gordon with Salmons and Hinrich with Bell+Pargo?
and I mean bottom quarter in starting SGs, which is what he basically is if he’s playing 30-35 minutes a game (scotter’s number to make Kirk worth his contract).
The stats for Kirk and Derrick together? I think Kirk will be worse this year, closer to his norm. I don’t think there was some magic combination with Rose that rejuvenenated Hinrich as a player.
I don’t want them to say the hell with this season. But they let Gordon walk and that’s ‘the hell’ with this team. The next great Bulls team will feature Derrick Rose (fully blossomed now that he has nobody with great skill to take his shots?), Noah, Deng (if only because they have to), and a max free agent. And not Hinrich.
If you’re not keeping him until he retires, then if there’s a way to not screw your season and trade him now (for 2010 cap space, not just ‘flexibility’) you do it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So basically we're talking in circles and saying the same thing, I think.
I don’t think there was some magic combination with Rose that rejuvenenated Hinrich as a player.
Isn’t that what Derrick’s suppose to do for his teammates? ;)
(Or apparently that’s only for teammates not named Kirk Hinrich…)
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by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to interrupt, is Rose already good at the pick and roll (I guess so)
Then that would be really helpful in a combo with Carlos Boozer.
Unlike Boozer going to Detroit, and playing with Stuckey who can’t do that adequately if his contract depended on it.
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by Norsktroll on Jul 11, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick isn't good at it still.
He gets by on athleticism, but he came in poor at it and is still a ways a way from truly being good at it.
by Scotter on Jul 11, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, we are likely stuck with Kurt until he (meaning Reinsdorf) retires.
Kurt is like a son to the Chairman, while Ben was the unwanted house guest.
What is with this fixation that not trading Kirk now means you’re stuck with him till he retires?
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by Granny Waiters on Jul 11, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's where I disagree
I think it depends completely on the deal – there are definitely deals that would be beneficial both short and long term, and there are deals that would be basically a wash short term and beneficial long term. I am all for those deals.
On the other hand, a deal for crap screws the Bulls up a great deal short term, and has the potential to screw them up long term. I think Kirk is far better than you seem able to give him credit for, and I find it laughable that you’re discounting what he did on the court last season and looking for his biggest weaknesses to suggest that some cheap shooting guard off the scrap heap would be anywhere close to as good.
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by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the more we see of Kirk
the less we’ll like. He had a nice end of season. Heck, his trade value may be at it’s highest right now. I think he has just as much of a chance to repeat ‘07-’08 as he does the last couple months of last season.
This is in a deal for Carlos Boozer. If it’s for other expirings, if Kirk has such value they can certainly get someone who can be ‘anywhere close’. But I agree that it’s a tough balance to make the team good enough to where Vinny only screws it up to the tune of 40 wins instead of 35.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think you (and others) being so pessimistic about Kirk is completely tied up with the Bulls letting Ben walk. It amazes me that some people would actually even prefer for Kirk to suck this season as some sort of comeuppance for the Bulls FO.
I think you’re wrong. In the progression of his career, he’s had one truly bad season and otherwise pretty good ones. That one bad season included everything from guys not signing to trade rumors to a coach “quitting” and then getting fired to the crappiest of interim coaches to a midseason trade that created a guard glut. None of that excuses his on-court performance. But I don’t see why you’d be so pessimistic that he’s going to play like that again.
I really do hope he’s playing elsewhere next season as a Kirk fan – but as a Bulls fan, I think he’s more important to the team as it stands now than you’re allowing for. Doesn’t mean the Bulls shouldn’t look for a good trade, but I do think it makes the trade-Kirk-at-all-costs approach a bad one.
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by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this team is important
the next Bulls team is important. This team’s goal is to not suck and scare off FAs.
But I also think they need to get out of Kirk or Salmons’ deal to effectively chase a FA.
Just looking at TS% (fairly important for our shooting guard) Kirk has had 2 good outliers out of 6. He’s not a great 3 point shooter and he’s awful at finishing close, and getting to the line. I hope he indeed just got better at 3s and what he did at the end of last year wasn’t a fluke.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that Kirk is a great fit at SG for "the future"
It’s a question of needing that production from someplace until the “great-fit-SG” is secured or the team rebalances with more production from elsewhere. No matter how people want to label it to make Kirk seem unimportant to the team, he’s doing a lot of things for the Bulls as the team stands. He’s not doing them as well as a specialist in each area, but he’s one person doing them all reasonably well as a stopgap.
If Kirk is traded for expirings, that guy or those guys need to be pretty solid at running the team when Derrick sits or has foul trouble (which I’d like him to have more of this season because hopefully he’s trying to defend better), playing defense, and shooting the 3 – I’d say especially the 3 and defense, because those are areas the team is already weak in and which Kirk has done well. (On the 3s – not Ben Gordon well, but good for the NBA overall.) Now some of that could be shifted to other positions, except we’re now pretty deep everywhere but at guard.
The other option is a trade to someplace (eg Portland) that can absorb some of his salary, allowing the Bulls to try to pick up some specialists in these areas. I think that’s a bit tough, though, because we really need it all and you can still only put 5 guys on the court at once.
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by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, this is what I don't understand
if Kirk is traded for expirings, that guy or those guys need to be pretty solid at running the team when Derrick sits or has foul trouble
so. what. Is Kevin Ollie around?
How many minutes do you think Rose won’t be on the floor? I’m not saying it’s good to have such a dramatic dropoff to your backup PG, and it’s nice that Kirk can provide average play there. But it’s a luxury, and way down the priority list with top priority being a 2010 free agent.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 12, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the combination of things.
And I noted that the 3s and defense are more important.
I’m tempted to write a huge paragraph using a covariance and model building analogy from regression analysis, complete with the requisite side note about my personal life and why I took regression analysis, just to piss you off, but I’ll resist. Let’s just agree to disagree, to quote my good friend Sue.
It’s apparent we’re saying the same thing in theory, except that I think more highly of Kirk’s on court abilities than you do, and since we’ve never seen eye-to-eye on Kirk that’s hardly likely to change at this juncture.
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by wjb1492 on Jul 12, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
since I think Kirk’s season will be it’s own ‘regression analysis’! zing! (sorry)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 12, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Incidentally, Kirk turns 29 this season, not 30.
Believe me, I’ve been crossing my fingers for a trade – I can’t wait for Kirk to go elsewhere so BaB can be enjoyable for me again. Of course he’d fit better playing PG full-time on another team – but the FO is apparently more concerned about what the Bulls are doing than other teams, and it seems they feel Kirk playing somewhat out of position benefits the Bulls more right now than additional cap space next summer and adding some scrub to the team for a year.
I think the FOs looking for 2010 cap space within reason – they like the pending ability to make a bigtime offer, but aren’t looking to try to put a completely new team around Derrick and Joakim fantasy-style that summer. I can’t say I disagree with that – blowing the team up next offseason might work out great, but having a ton of cap space and needing several players with it could also be a huge disaster. I like knowing that if FAs don’t pick Chicago there’s still some semblance of a team left.
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by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is my problem
“I think the FOs looking for 2010 cap space within reason – they like the pending ability to make a bigtime offer, but aren’t looking to try to put a completely new team around Derrick and Joakim fantasy-style that summer.”
You are either all in for 2010, or you are not. This half-assed approach to team planning doesn’t cut it.
If the Bulls plan is to build up their assets and use them to acquire a player in a sign and trade later, than they should have signed Ben Gordon and gotten rid of Hinrich and/or expiring contracts, because BG is a better player than Hinrich and has more trade value, IMO. That way, you win the most games possible, you get Bosh or Wade saying they want to play in Chicago, and than you send the pieces over to make it happen.
On the other hand, if the plan is to clear cap space in 2010 to sign a max free agent(s) than CLEAR THE DAMN CAP SPACE. With the salary cap in danger of dropping even further next season, the chances the Bulls will be able to sign multiple big time free agents dwindles even still. But on the other hand, I just don’t believe Wade, Bosh, or Lebron (the targets) are going to come to Chicago if the Bulls finish 41-41 again this season – unless you can get a combination to come in tandem (Boozer/Wade or Bosh/Johnson), in which case the Bulls will need cap space to sign two big time free agents. But they won’t have it because they will be paying Hinrich 9 million dollars to come off the bench.
The model for signing two big free agents has been established by the Pistons this season. They traded Billups straight up for AI, got worse in the short term, with the hopes of being better in the long term. I see the Hinrich/Tyrus for Boozer trade in the same fashion. Boozer doesn’t necessarily make the Bulls any better than they were before. But the Bulls aren’t very good now – we have, in fact, a worse team than the Pistons did when they made their move to trade Billups. So you risk getting worse in the short term to get better in the long term. You trade Hinrich and you now have ample cap space to work with in 2010. And don’t tell me about the risk of losing a 13 PER player off the bench. The Pistons went out and found Bynum on the dust bin for practically nothing. The Bulls have Demarcus Nelson and Janerro Pargo under contract. There are still a bunch of economical 2 guards on the market. You take a risk. What are the Bulls holding onto? The chance to win 40-45 games again this season?
I’m starting to lean to the idea that the Boozer trade was never seriously discussed in the Bulls front office. Fine. But right now they seem to be stuck in between plans. I really don’t believe the Bulls have any plans to acquire a big time free agent in 2010. Why would I believe that? What moves have they done to suggest this is the plan, except ripping off Sacto for Brad Miller’s expiring contract (when, if you think, had the Bulls retained Gooden, they probably could have just resigned Gordon…)?
I see the Summer of 2010 playing out pretty much like this. The Cap goes down. Salmons decides not to opt out. Bulls wait for some signal that Bosh wants to come to the Bulls, they are outbid by Miami and Wade, bye-bye Bosh. The Bulls than look at TT, decide he is a better/cheaper option than Boozer at 14 mil and/or Amare at the max, and offer him just a little bit over the qualifying offer – something like 4 years 28 million. The Bulls run around like their heads are cut off for a month, than offer Ginobli/Johnson/etc. whatever cap space they have left. 2010 extravaganza.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 11, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I disagree its all in or all out
I think there’s plenty of room to hedge your bets. If I thought the team was flat out going to suck, I’d be more into tanking this season probably. But I think we’re going to be reasonably competitive.
And I also don’t think Detroit’s that great a role model – they had a miserable season then overpaid (imo) for two less than star players. They cost a coach his job – which many might say is a plus except they turned right around and refused to spend money on a new coach. Now maybe this all works out, but they’re still going to need a trade to pull it off. And I don’t think that team is going to be all that hot next season.
And diminishing what Kirk brings to the team by suggesting he’s nothing but a 13 PER player is inaccurate. I never said they shouldn’t trade him under any circumstances – I don’t think they should trade him or any other rotation player for crap expiring contracts this summer.
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by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
miserable season?
they finished 2 games behind the Bulls.
They cost a coach a job? They finished 2 games behind the Bulls and we still have to watch VDN coach.
Diminishing what Kirk brings to the team? He has been a 13 to 14 PER player for the last 2 seasons. Those are just facts. If people can discount Bayless for having a PER of 9 while playing only 12-15 mpg, than I think I can say Kirk isn’t all that great after 6 years in the NBA. Yes, he is a good defensive player. But he isn’t close to being elite. DeMarcus Nelson could D people up just as well if given the opportunity. Kirk is what he is, he’s been in the league 6 years already. The Bulls aren’t winning or losing championship based on Kirk Hinrich’s performance.
I attempted to explain how “hedging bets” could cost the Bulls a shot at big time free agents next year. Again, keeping Kirk means the Bulls have less chance of getting 2 big time free agents next season. With room to only get 1, the Bulls are unlikely to attract a max free agent, because there “situation” wouldn’t be any more desirable than Miami, Cleveland, Toronto, Dallas,Houston, etc.
Basically, you and the Bulls are banking on Rose (and to a lesser extent Noah) dramatically improving their games, so that Bosh or Wade will come and join the Bulls without the team needing significant upgrades. I love Rose, but I think its a lot to ask your 2nd year point guard to become one of the upper echelon of players so that established vets want to come and play with him.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 11, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you are banking on being able to convince multiple free agents to come
You think that doesn’t depend on Derrick and Joakim improving significantly and the team doing well?
Find one Piston or Piston fan who wasn’t miserable all season. And the fact that the Bulls stuck with Vinny doesn’t change the fact that the season cost Curry his job.
Yes, hedging bets could end up costing the Bulls. Not hedging bets could also end up costing the Bulls. Sucking this season could benefit the Bulls with another miraculous lottery pick, but it could also result in them missing the playoffs and picking 13th or 14th. Possibly every guys we might want signs an extension by the end of the season. Possibly no one wants to come here next year. Possibly it all works out Roses and Wade and Bosh both come for a half-decade of dominance. Not knowing what the future holds, I’d rather the team didn’t scrap things now in hopes of the miracle offseason a year from now.
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by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
they cannot go the tank route. No FA will come, let alone two.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is trading Hinrich tanking?
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 11, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
I love Kirk. I will probably watch the team he goes to (if their not playing at the same time as the Bulls). But I don’t think we go from winning in the low 40’s with Kirk to mid to low 30’s without him. If Rose keeps improving and Deng stays healthy (allowing JS to play at the 2), then we should make the playoffs, IMO. Kirk off the bench or Blake/Pargo doesn’t matter. It’s not like we will suddenly suck (compared to now) if we lose Kirk from THIS TEAM. It would have hurt us as a team a lot more to lose Kirk before Rose got here, but not now.
by Unrealcity on Jul 12, 2009 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think trading Hinrich and Tyrus for Boozer
is “scrapping the season.” I think its a lateral move to free up cap space. I don’t think to many lateral moves like that, which free up cap space, are going to present themselves too often. I don’t think Boozer/combo guard is significantly worse (or even worse, depending on how many games Boozer plays) than Tyrus/Hinrich. Not one time did I say anything about sucking this season. If the trade had gone down, Rose-Salmons-Deng-Boozer-Noah, wouldn’t have sucked. It would be essentially the same team we have now but without Hinrich. I don’t get how that team sucks, but this team is somehow guaranteed a playoff spot.
The Bulls have not improved personnel wise. Toronto and Washington should be better, as should the Pistons. I don’t see any guarantee that the current Bulls roster could make the playoffs. Newsflash – the Bulls could finish 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th with the current lineup.
You are inventing a scenario where the Bulls essentially get nothing for Hinrich/Tyrus. That scenario was never present. No one is advocating tanking. The Bulls could probably trade Hinrich for Blake/Outlaw right now. Would that constitute tanking or simply a team planning for its future by getting some expiring contracts? Regardless, if we don’t move someone, no free agents, no big signings, the same mediocre team.
Regarding the Pistons – if Piston fans were miserable last season, it is because their expectations didn’t match the teams output. That doesn’t change the fact that the Bulls only finished 2 games ahead of the Pistons, and trailed the Pistons for most of the season. How much more of a fight would the Bulls have put up against Cleveland than Detroit? All this good will that has been built up is based on the fact that the Bulls took a team missing its best player to 7 games.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 11, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
completely agree with you
I actually believe the Bulls would be a better team with Boozer, rather than Hinrich and Thomas. Imagine if the Blazers throw in Blake to the Deal. Our lineup would be:
Rose/Blake
Salmons/Pargo
Deng/James Johnson
Boozer/James Johnson/Taj
Noah/Miller
And we would have a ton of cap space for 2010!!!!!
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 11, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This whole argument wasn't about the Boozer trade idea
I said in my original post that I’d do that one. My whole point was that a trade needs to be looked at deal-specific. We’re thin at guard now, and imo Kirk does quite a bit for the team – being a pretty decent ballplayer is a big part of what makes him desirable in a trade with his contract. That doesn’t make him untouchable by any means, but it means the org needs to have a plan to stay reasonably competitive if he goes. I thought the Boozer trade did that, although I can see some of the risks Scotter was talking about.
What I think is foolish is how some people are – or at least from their posts appear to be – so set on moving Kirk that they’re convinced any deal with him leaving is a slam dunk for the Bulls. That’s a pretty fundamental difference of opinion at this point – I’m sure I’ve belabored my position to death, so I’ll let it go.
Just consider it the irritation of a Kirk fan at the backlash against him with Ben leaving. I may have to take a break from BaB until he is traded. ;)
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by wjb1492 on Jul 12, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"a big part of what makes him desirable in a trade with his contract. "
Minnesota didn’t even want him for junk.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 12, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I phrased that badly
What I was trying to say was that he doesn’t have a desirable contract. So with a not great contract (not horrible compared to some of the monstrosities out there, but by no means a bargain), the fact that he’s still tradeable shows that his abilities are recognized by those outside the BaB universe. Minnesota reportedly did want him at the trade deadline, and the Bulls pulled out. It’s not a situation where the Bulls are having to throw in assets to talk people into taking him, as far as we know from the rumors. Whether the Bulls are trying to get back too much is a different issue.
And I think the new Wolves GM has already screwed up some things pretty badly – time will tell, but I’m not at all a fan of his moves so far.
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by wjb1492 on Jul 12, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the wolves said in the offseason that they don't want Kirk
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 12, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems like the only team that wants him is Blazers
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 12, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then we'd better trade him for pritchard's
garbage! i’d wait ‘till the deadline, though if kirk gets hurt, it could kill this “dump” deal. (i don’t think he’ll regress like matt does.)
if we’re going to set up their team like that, they should pay some value on principle. especially because i hate them now due to all the b.e. visitors and rejects that pollute this place!
go tyrus! (don’t trade bulls’ starting pf!)
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 13, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe teams want him,
but not at his $$$. just a couple mil less per year…
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Jul 13, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the Wolves GM planned on drafting
a dozen point guards.
by Scotter on Jul 12, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I would rather have junk for Hinrich
I believe Hinrich is a valuable asset in the right situation, but not on this team where we are building for 2010 and beyond. Hinrich is in his prime right now and is getting paid 9 million to be a back up. By the time this team develops(hopefully this team develops), Hinrich will be in his mid-30. The chance at getting a star in 2010 is far more important than keeping Kirk Hinrich because he really doesn’t make us that much better for next season. We could get a far cheaper option that will do the job for a year.
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 12, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus he is not even in our future plans
so why keep him? Since his value will only get lower as he gets older. We really won’t have a better oppurtunity to trade him than right now. People forget how bad he was playing in the 07/08 season.
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 12, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Hinrich … really doesn’t make us that much better for next season.
I disagree, but it’s something only time will tell, one way or the other. Yes, it’s possible to work around what Kirk gives the team in a trade – all I’m saying is that the team needs to find a trade that does that, or make sure there’s room to pick up another guy, in order to stay competitive this coming season so they look good going into free agency.
There’s no point in continuing to argue about whether Kirk is an important part of the team’s on-court production this coming season, because it’s been hashed to death. If anything, Ben leaving has made people more polarized on Kirk.
So one last time – I would like the Bulls to trade Kirk, he should be starting and it should be someplace else – but I think it’s important that it be in a good deal. There are many ways to define a good deal, but I personally do not think Kirk for junk works because I believe the team has to be reasonably competitive this season to make the 2010 offseason even remotely possible.
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by wjb1492 on Jul 12, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you do Hinrich for Blake and Outlaw?
I believe we would be pretty much the same team if we made that deal. Except we will have a lot more cap space for 2010. Hinrich would be able to start on a competitive team where the fans seem to want him. It seems like a good deal for both sides, I know this deal has been talked about a billion times for like six months straight. I don’t know why this deal still has not been completed.
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 12, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
I do think it makes the Bulls worse this coming season – Kirk’s better than Blake, and Outlaw just makes a mess in the frontcourt (unless, obviously, someone is hurt or gets traded). But I think the team would still be reasonably competitive – and we can all live with a few games worse in exchange for the additional cap space.
If fans could overrule GMs, I agree both sides would pretty much jump all over that one.
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by wjb1492 on Jul 12, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Under what circumstances does Kirk make us better next year?
Kirk played 24-27mpg last year. That was with Ben but without Deng, which left Salmons to play most all of his minutes at the 3.
We have supposed SF James Johnson in the mix now as well, so one imagines that with Deng playing 30+ minutes, Salmons playing 30+ minutes, JJ probably playing at least 10-15, and Rose playing 35+, we’re looking at the same 24-28mpg for Kirk.
That’s a replaceable amount by a guy like Blake, Bogans, etc. We would lose something, but I don’t think the drop off is going to be huge. We’ll still make the playoffs, or not, on the backs of Rose/Salmons/Deng/Miller/Noah.
In short, Kirk makes us better if all goes well, and he plays a backup role.
However, what if all doesn’t go well. Isn’t it even more important to have Kirk in case something bad happens to a starter? Counterintuitively, I’d say no, it’s not.
If we lose a major starter to injury, Kirk isn’t good enough to bail us out..
Why? Because suppose Salmons gets hurt. Then what happens? Kirk starts, plays and extra 15 minutes, but we’re still left with having to play Pargo and/or Lindsay Hunter pretty significant minutes. And I don’t think that’s going to go very well.
Point is, Kirk makes us better, but really only in the context of being decent depth. He’s not so much better that we really have much margin for error at all. If something goes wrong, I don’t know how much he helps.
Consider what happens, for example, if Deng gets hurt again. Well, if we’ve got Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw, we get something like
1- Rose 30, Blake 18
2- Salmons 36, Rose 6, Pargo 6
3- Outlaw 32, Johnson 16
With Kirk, it’s something like
1- Rose 36, Kirk 12
2- Kirk 24, Salmons 4, Pargo 20
3- Salmons 32, Johnson 16
I mean, I know you’re saying below you’d do the Blake/Outlaw sort of deal, but so I’m not holding it against you, I’m just demonstrating how more depth of somewhat lesser quality, but with nice expiring contracts, might end up being quite a bit more useful for us.
by Sports2 on Jul 13, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good post! "rec"
No one knows what is going to happen next year. We need to be in a position to take advantage of opportunities. I like Hinrich but your logic is sound. He will be 29 years old this year. Having Boozer is an excellent chip to play the February trade game. There is always the possibility he gels with Rose and we would want to sign him. If not we trade him. We are unlikely to sign Tyrus so get something for him. I am hoping Utah matches the Milsap offer. The Detroit News is reporting
You are going to keep seeing the Pistons named in rumors about possible trade scenarios involving Carlos Boozer. I am going to keep telling you what I have been writing for the past month. The Pistons just aren’t that into Boozer — the size of his expiring contract is an issue, as is his fragility. They are certainly not into him if it costs them Tayshaun Prince or Richard Hamilton. I had a brief chat with Joe Dumars Friday and he confirmed just that.Our leverage may be significant with a desperate Utah needing to trade Boozer if they sign Milsap.
by chgobr on Jul 12, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's interesting that the pistons aren't interested
especially for Hamilton, who is way overpaid. I guess they really like Villanueva at PF. It just means that we have a better chance at getting Boozer if the pistons aren’t going for him.
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 12, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the point isn't who Detroit signed
is that they had the cap space to sign them, and still have cap space to make other moves. The free agent crop will be better next season. Hence, the 2010 plan.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 11, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bench filler with expiring contracts is more than the Bulls got for Ben Gordon.
And diminishing what Kirk brings to the team by suggesting he’s nothing but a 13 PER player is inaccurate. I never said they shouldn’t trade him under any circumstances – I don’t think they should trade him or any other rotation player for crap expiring contracts this summer.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 11, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And one of the hugest objections to that was letting an "asset"
go for nothing. Yet that’s exactly what some people are proposing to do with Kirk. And now it will be worse, because we’ve just let two assets (who incidentally were a damn fine backcourt together) walk for nothing.
I think what most people are really saying is along the lines of however the org treated Ben is good enough for Kirk – still being angry that Ben is no longer a Bull. So there’s this “well, hell, if we didn’t keep Ben, no point in keeping Kirk either.”
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since getting to punch Reinsdorf in the nose is not a realistic option,
we would settle for the favorite son being traded.
(Yes, I am bitter and angry)
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 11, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To anyone who actually wants Kirk gone because they are mad at the Org, then that's a really dumb fan.
You should want him gone if it makes the team better. Now or in the future.
But trading Kirk for expirings is not getting “nothing” for him. It’s getting flexibility to bring in someone better. Someone we could actually win a title with.
by Unrealcity on Jul 12, 2009 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to all the dumb fans who think the Bulls will be BETTER with Gordon gone.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 12, 2009 3:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon was more than an asset
he could’ve been a cornerstone. Hinrich can’t because he’s at the same position as one already. So now a better asset than him would be cap space in 2010.
There’s certainly a ‘no point in keeping Kirk either’ mentality, why shouldn’t there be? The Bulls are not trying to win now, and Hinrich is 3 years older than Gordon and he plays the same position as Derrick Rose. I don’t think it’s unreasonably fueled by ‘Gordon love’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 12, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hell, to me it's fueled by Hinrich love to want him traded
I really do like Kirk as a player. I like most all of the Bulls players. And when I consider what’d be best for Kirk, it’d be totally awesome for him to go somewhere like Portland, where he’s an obvious fit with respect to age, positional need, contractual status and style of play.
To me, the NBA is a league where you can have multiple allegiances. In the end, the players are the guys you should or shouldn’t be rooting for, not just the laundry they wear. I like Kirk because he’s brought me entertainment as a Chicago Bull, but the right path for the Bulls is Derrick Rose. The right path for Hinrich is Portland. Or Philly, Or Phoenix in February. You get the idea. It’s somewhere where he can have a shot to be the best he can be. Keeping him here out of whatever weird man-love this team has for him really doesn’t do Kirk any favors.
by Sports2 on Jul 13, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't they need Hinrich off the books
or Salmons to opt out to get ONE max free agent? I mean comfortably with room left to fill out the rest of the roster.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, unless they let Tyrus go for nothing
Considering the cap (and luxury tax) will come down next year by 4 to 6 million, which really throws a wrench in a lot of plans teams have been plotting out for the past year or two. Some teams will just pretend to get into the LeBron & Co. sweepstakes to present a plan for their fans when in reality they are just cutting cost.
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 11, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right on
“Some teams will just pretend to get into the LeBron & Co. sweepstakes to present a plan for their fans when in reality they are just cutting cost.”
- Meet your 09/10 Chicago Bulls
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 11, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My ideal situation this year...
…involved trading Salmons for a cheaper 3rd guard and maybe a pick or a guarantee that the contract ends next year.
A lineup of Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Thomas, Noah, backed up by Pargo, scrub, Johnson, Gibson and Miller could actually work, in my opinion. Go to Rose and Thomas. Take your lumps. If it isn’t working 4 months in, package Hinrich and Thomas then. Of course, all of that would be great with a very good coach. And certainly, having Gordon starting or coming off of the bench (since it doesn’t matter if the three guys are evenly splitting the 96 minutes) would be that much better than Pargo. A possible 50-win team (again, with a good coach) with a starting lineup under 26. Yes, please.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jul 11, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's that old saying?
If wishes were horses, then beggars could ride. ;)
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Salmons starting over Hinrich isn't the end of the world.
Hinrich will still play a lot and the Bulls will need to find a third option. I’d rather they try to make that Thomas for one year instead of trying to make Johnson that right now.
If Salmons starts the whole year, barring injury, he’ll opt out. Trading him for a lesser player w/ an ending contract just guarantees that. But keeping Salmons makes the Bulls better short-term and isn’t the end of the world long-term.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jul 11, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was more referring to having Ben and a good coach. ;)
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Jul 11, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I'm referencing 2010
that’s the year the Bulls even start thinking about building a team again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Scotter.
Rec to you.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 11, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will stop as soon as Kurt is traded.
Gordon fans had to put up with hate the whole time he was here, so now it is the turn of Hinrich fans.
Im sick of the Kirk hate.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 11, 2009 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically
gordon/hinrich hate is pretty even in both terms of durration and amount….in the last two years there has been WAY (WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY) more kirk hate than gordon hate, the “hate” that gordon got was that no one thought he should get a huge contract ….but really i dont think thats hate….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 11, 2009 4:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only on BaB, not anywhere else.
gordon/hinrich hate is pretty even in both terms of durration and amount
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 11, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a lot of talk about Gordon
being short as well. I think that was all last summer, the short SG vs tall SG argument.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 11, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
the “Ben Gordon turnover”
by NormVanBeer on Jul 11, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the height culprit
I posted Gordon was 5’ 10" and I still believe that. I got killed on BaB for questioning his height. I met him in a suburban mall. I thanked him for making some big shots against the Knicks. I liked him and he was very nice.
I am 5’ 9" and he appeared to be the same height. I said he was 5’ 10" because I couldn’t believe he is 5’ 9". I do not believe he is 6’ tall. I definitely can be wrong but that is my story and I’m sticking to it.
by chgobr on Jul 11, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well they used a tape measure
at the pre-draft camp and everything. Thus the ‘killing’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 11, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
I remember that post. You wacky guy you! :-)
It was dumb then, it’s dumb now.
by NormVanBeer on Jul 11, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, dumb.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 11, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont understand how the trade can still work when utah is going to have to take back matching salary regardless
So they will still be over the cap..Am i missing something?
Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.
by drakedog on Jul 11, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
in a three way trade, if one of them has cap space like the Blazers, then another team can give away salary without taking back matching salary. Think of it like this, the Bulls are trading Hinrich to the Blazers for nothing (like Camby to the Clippers last season). Now they have a trade exception to take on salary without giving the equal amount back so they can trade Tyrus for Boozer even though the salaries don’t match up.
by JSlakov on Jul 11, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the trade exception still apply if the Blazers throw in Rudy?
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 12, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet troll-worthy signature
Why ask a question that’s been answered at least 200 times in the past few days by almost every person on this blog. Hell, even Blazers fans know the answer to this question.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 11, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your sig is offensive...
and nonsensical.
by smash! on Jul 12, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I get it..I didnt know how teams actually got trade exceptions
Well maybe this will make utah quit playing and make this shit happen..If the bulls dont make a deal soon Im going to find Jerry Krause s’ fat ass and fuck him all the way up..I didnt forget about you krause
Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.
by drakedog on Jul 11, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So, just to be clear, you just said you wanted to:
find Jerry Krause s’ fat ass and fuck him all the way up
ooookay…
by smash! on Jul 12, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get why people are so against this
Can you honestly tell me that Boozer in a contract year is worse than Tyrus a year before a contract year? And losing our (starter-caliber) third guard is worth it to get flexibility and a possible future starter at SG. If Tyrus suddenly becomes an all-star PF next year, it probably won’t be because he was working really hard and this was his breakout year, it’ll be because of Jerry Sloan. I’m saying this under the assumption that Boozer is just a one year rental though, as I’d be against keeping him long term.
As it stands, Boozer next year on the Bulls would be better than Tyrus next year on the Bulls. As it stands, Bosh on the Bulls in two years is better than both of them. Hinrich who is and will be our third guard for a while and Tyrus, who will probably never reach his full potential and is probably going to be gone in two years anyway on the Bulls is an okay price to pay for Boozer, who’ll be a one year rental that might lift the Bulls to 45-50 wins, and Rudy, who might be our starting shooting guard in the future and save JR from paying the tax for a second max free agent. This also all under the assumption that if we trade Hinrich for Rudy straight up, we get a trade exception which we can use to get Boozer.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 12, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would appreciate if you could explain how we get a trade exemption.
This intrigues me. Can we use the trade exemption to get Boozer this summer if we get in in a trade with Portland?
by chgobr on Jul 12, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes sense in the context of 2010
Trading Tyrus and Hinrich, and getting Boozer and maybe Bayless doesn’t make the team that much better this season.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 12, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie - don't you think it sets us up better to rebuild around Rose?
I know this is risky and could hurt us if we fail to get FAs. It just gives us flexibility getting something for Tyrus and ridding ourselves of Hinrich’s contract.
by chgobr on Jul 12, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the trade...the goal is to win titles not get into the second round.
If you’re going to rebuild then do it the right way. You have a center piece (Rose) now get him some horses. Clear some of the bad cash up so you can become flexible in the next few years to add free agents and resign Noah.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 12, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's what I said
The Bulls are going for broke in 2010, and as Matt points out, this trade means they are really going for Bosh, Amare, or Wade. I’m just saying from a strictly basketball standpoint, adding Boozer doesn’t make this team that much better.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 12, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have to show that we're an ok team to get Bosh
So we only have to get a couple of wins better.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 12, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree I think you show him the money.
He already knows who’s who and what is what.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 12, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still offer him a max contract
But we need to set ourselves apart as a young team with lots of potential where he could be the missing piece. If not, he’ll just go to Miami or Philly or somewhere.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 12, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
to the people who are saying adding Boozer doesn’t make us that much better of a team, are you assuming that last season was a sign of things to come for him? Couldn’t it just as easily be thought of as a fluke considering he’s 27 and, excluding that, after his rookie year he’s consistenly been among the league leaders in PER.
It’s always better to have one very good player than two average ones, which is what we’d be giving up.
by JSlakov on Jul 12, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don't I lighten the mood a bit?
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jul 12, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wth
it says Deng is becoming one of the worlds greatest basketball players.. HA
"Game 7 of the 2011 Finals.. 10 seconds left in the game, the score is tied up 92-92.. Kobe with the ball he drives in.. IS BLOCKED by bosh, Rose picks it up Runs it down Throws up a pass to Wade.. WADE SCORES! GAME OVER ! BULLS WIN BULLS WIN!"
by Faizamaze on Jul 12, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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