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The NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL established their respected drafts, so that the inferior teams have the best chance to select the top prospects, therefore improving the chance that they become a better team. Some teams just seem to be amongst the top every season, regardless of who they draft or how they finish the season.

 

With the exceptions of the 2005 NBA Draft when the Bulls had no picks and the recently passed 2009 draft when the Bulls first choice was 16th overall, Chicago have had a selection in the top ten in every draft starting from 1999. Since that year, the Bulls have had 15 first round selections over the stretch of eleven drafts, but these picks have not translated into wins. Take a look at the Bulls roster and you don’t see a team that have had 15 first round picks since ‘99. So I wonder, Where have they gone?

 

With Ben Gordon leaving for Detroit and the addition of rookies Taj Gibson and James Johnson, the Bulls have 6 of their 15 first round picks on their roster, assuming the rookies sign. The other four first-rounders are Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Kirk Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas, but there are little signs of the Bulls other picks. So again, where have they gone?

 

Warning: You may want to take notes.

 

The Bulls drafted power forward Elton Brand 1st overall in 1999, but traded him after two seasons. Brand averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds per game in those two years, so the Bulls should have something to show for it, right? Well, Brand was traded to the Clippers for Brian Skinner and the draft rights of Tyson Chandler. The Bulls then traded Brian Skinner to the Raptors for Charles Oakley and a 2nd round pick that was used to draft Chris Duhon who signed with the Knicks before the start of last season. The Bulls traded Tyson Chandler to the Hornets for P.J. Brown and J.R. Smith. They immediately traded J.R. Smith to the Nuggets for Howard Eisley and two 2nd round picks which were used to draft James OnCurry and Aaron Gray. Both James OnCurry and P.J. Brown spent only one season with the Bulls. Chicago traded Elton Brand away and they only have reserve center Aaron Gray to show for it.

 

In the same ‘99 draft, the Bulls drafted Ron Artest 16th overall, but he’s no longer on the roster either. The Bulls traded Artest to the Pacers for Jalen Rose, Travis Best, Norman Richardson, and a 2nd round pick that was used to draft Lonny Baxter who’s out of the NBA. Richardson was waived, Best later signed with the Miami Heat and Rose was traded to the Raptors for Antonio Davis, Jerome Williams, and Chris Jeffries. Chris Jeffries was waived, Antonio Davis was a part of the Eddy Curry sign and trade and Jerome Williams was a part of the Jamal Crawford sign and trade that landed both players with the Knicks.

 

In the 2000 draft, the Bulls chose Marcus Fizer 4th overall, Chris Mihm 7th, and Dalibor Bagaric 24th. Mihm’s draft rights were traded on draft day for the rights of Jamal Crawford, Bagaric’s contract was bought out, and Fizer was selected by the Bobcats in their expansion draft. Crawford, along with Jerome Williams, was traded to the Knicks for Dikembe Mutombo, Othella Harrington, Frank Williams, and Cezary Trybanski. Williams and Trybanski were waived and Harrington later signed with the Bobcats after his time with the Bulls. Mutombo was traded to the Rockets for Adrian Griffin, Eric Piatkowski, and Mike Wilks; none of which are still on the roster.

 

This brings us to the ‘01 draft and the Bulls selection of Eddy Curry 4th overall. Curry was dealt in a sign and trade, along with Antonio Davis, to the Knicks for Michael Sweetney (released), Tim Thomas (waived), Jermaine Jackson (released) and a 1st round draft pick that was used to draft LaMarcus Aldridge 2nd overall in 2006. Aldridge’s draft rights were traded to Portland for the draft rights of Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa whose contract was later bought out due to lack of playing time.

 

The Bulls may have made the right move by drafting Jay Williams 2nd overall in 2002, but Williams’ motorcycle accident ended his career and set the Bulls back. In 2006, the Bulls used the second first round pick and drafted Rodney Carney before trading his rights to Philadelphia for the rights of Thabo Sefolosha. Sefolosha was later traded to the Thunder for a first round pick. That pick was used in the 2009 draft to select Taj Gibson 26th overall.

 

Recapping, the Bulls have Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich, Taj Gibson, James Johnson, and Aaron Gray as a result of their first round picks and trades that relate to them since 1999. Maybe this have been their plan all along and the potential Carlos Boozer deal will complete the Bulls’ eleven year plan to return to the NBA Finals, or they have just been guessing as they go along.

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Luol?

Is a first round pick and on the roster.

I still like what you have done here.

by CainandAbull on Jul 10, 2009 7:17 AM CDT reply actions  

The Bulls traded a first rounder for him...he counts

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by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 10, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

7 of 15 might look bad

But how does it compare to other teams around the league? By raw count? By percentage?

by torch on Jul 10, 2009 7:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Gray is irrelevant, 2nd round picks are pretty hit or miss, losing them doesn't really make the team look bad

Duhon turned out to be a capable NBA backup, Gray turned out to be really slow.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 10, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gray is very relevant

because that’s all we have to show for having the #1 pick in ’99. Yuck

by bigballa10 on Jul 10, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's an asinine way of looking at it.

We got 2 great years out of Brand. Obviously we would’ve like to have more, but it’s still something.
And we got 6 years out of Tyson, who was a big part of 2 playoff runs.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 14, 2009 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Percentage wise

the Bulls maybe in the middle of the pack because some teams use the draft and other just trade their picks for cash, but the quality of the players the Bulls have let go compared to what they have in return would probably be in bottom 5 of the league.

And, its 6 out of 15. Aaron Gray was a second round pick, but he is 1 of 7 players that are still on the team as a result of 1st round draft picks and related trades.

T.O. Estes III

by T.O.E. on Jul 10, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many other teams have had lottery picks nearly every year?

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by Big D on Jul 10, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or Nick Collison,

since he fit more with what the Bulls were doing at the time.

T.O. Estes III

by T.O.E. on Jul 10, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still think if Jay Will didn't get hurt

Either he or Jamal Crawford would have been packaged in a trade for a pick in that 2003 draft.

by bigballa10 on Jul 10, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha

This reminded me a little of the Simmons-Clippers piece from a couple weeks ago. We really aren’t that far behind them are we?

by M 80 on Jul 10, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd like to argue with this post, saying it's natural for a team to lose a lot of its draft picks

But, then I realized the only other teams who have been as lottery-bound as the Bulls for the past 10 years are the Hawks and Clippers, only two of the most poorly-run franchises in pro sports (the Hawks’ recent up tick notwithstanding).

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 10, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

That's true,

That’s why i didnt add Ben Gordon to the list of the Bulls mistakes because like you said “it’s natural.”

But its the quality of the players that the Bulls let go and have very little to show for it. That’s what i think doesn’t make sense because the Bulls are trying to trade for Boozer who is very similar to Brand, and drafted James Johnson whos similar to Artest exactly 10 seasons after drafting both of those players. They are just going in circles.

T.O. Estes III

by T.O.E. on Jul 10, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nail..dead on the head!

what also was very interesting is your analysis spawn two different GM’s time periods but the results were the same!

man up!

by exult463 on Jul 10, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

JR is the same.

Things that make you go Hmmmm.

by Unrealcity on Jul 12, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This kind of track record

is how GMs get promoted (apparently)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Examing the time line

This is almost the exact time frame in which Gar Forman joined and rose through the ranks of the Bulls organization.

The good news is that the team has hired one of Forman’s sons as a junior scout. He’s 7 years old.
http://is.gd/1tX86

Probably a joke, but with this team I may have to call the Department of Child and Family Services to file a complaint.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jul 10, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is exactly why

Those of us angry about just letting BG walk are angry in the first place. It’s because he was the #3 pick in the draft and the team has nothing to show for it. That shows a real lack of a plan to me.

by bigballa10 on Jul 10, 2009 2:54 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Seconded. Not only lack of plan, but also

poor evaluation of talent, inability to execute favorable trades, and a pattern of trading talent away for nothing or almost nothing. A very well done post, T.O.E.

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by bullhockey on Jul 10, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That 2001 Draft really set us back

I realize Krause was trying to land a superstar, but look at our roster right before we made the Brand/Chandler swap:

PG Crawford (20 years old)
SG Mercer (24)
SF Artest (21)
PF Brand (21)
C Brad Miller (24)

Not realizing the talent on that roster was the only thing I can fault Krause on. Artest/Brand/Miller could’ve grown into the best 3/4/5 in the NBA, and Crawford is a servicable 2nd or 3rd option. We had the #4 pick in the 2001 draft, and had we known how good those players would be, Jason Richardson would’ve been the obvious pick and helped us compete for years.

by YaoPau on Jul 10, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I think they (correctly) peged

Artest as nutso. Especially combustible on a perennial loser like those teams were.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 10, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dennis Rodman was nutso...

Didn’t stop Krause from acquiring him. I don’t think Krause traded Artest for personality reasons; I think he made the Rose/Artest trade thinking it would improve the Bulls’ team in terms of overall talent. In hindsight, that move clearly failed.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 14, 2009 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Rodman was just eccentric

Artest, in my professional opinion, has some major mood disorder.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 14, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

What tipped you off?

Artest applying to Circuit City, or admitting to the Tribune he flushes his medications?

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 14, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm convinced Rodman does too...

At one point he was found asleep in his car with a loaded rifle, and had apparently been contemplating suicide. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it turns out Rodman’s on some meds.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 14, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

pretty sure they traded him cause they knew he was a ticking timebomb

i remember reading later that he had exploded one day in the gym after a workout or something and that the bulls knew they had some trouble on their hands.

lol, while trying to find this bit of info, i found this gem from the press release from when the bulls traded artest:

Travis is a proven scorer and defender and, at 29, also in his prime. We hated to trade Artest, Miller, Mercer and Ollie, but to get quality you have to give quality. One of the reasons we felt we could part with Artest and Mercer is the continuing outstanding play of rookie Trenton Hassell at both ends of the court. We think that in Eddy Curry and Dalibor Bagaric we have two big, young centers who will be valuable for many years to come."

that said, i don’t doubt rodman is nuts too. but he did at least have phil and mj and whatever to somewhat keep him in line. guess we’ll see if phil can keep ron-ron in line too.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Jul 20, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one pass the ball on this team. except Miller

In retrospect… could have keep Brand and Miller, and traded the rest!

man up!

by exult463 on Jul 10, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the Dalibor Bagaric mention,

all I remember about him is that he airballed a free throw in my freshman year of HS.

by dakoose on Jul 10, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Suppose you’re in charge of hiring and firing at a software companie, and one after another talented programmer goes wacko, gets pissed and quits, etc. How long would it be before someone takes you aside and says, hey, maybe your just no good at dealing with nerds. Maybe it’s time to try your hand at something else.

If you look at guys like Fizer, Chandler, Curry, Artest, etc.,that is a lot of talent to pass through the organization with zero return on investment. Sure they were head cases, bu so was Rodman, and I seem to recall that previous management had a 72 win season after they got him. thru the organization with

by boobie trap on Jul 11, 2009 9:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Fizer?

Fizer stunk period. It was a crappy draft all around.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jul 11, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

rotflmao

Best part of this excellent post?

The end:

Maybe this have been their plan all along and the potential Carlos Boozer deal will complete the Bulls’ eleven year plan to return to the NBA Finals, or they have just been guessing as they go along.

Priceless! I swear tears are rolling down my face right now!

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by tandur on Jul 13, 2009 3:03 AM CDT reply actions  

IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING

To see a similar analysis of a well-run franchise like the Spurs. “And the Spurs turn Matt Bonner into Richard Jefferson and Michael Finley…”

by Jud Buechler on Jul 14, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Great post

This is why the Bulls fans are getting impatient you put it out there for all to see. This is exactly why Paxson was booed last year in Chicago. For the last 7 to 10 years the Bull’s management team has been full of underachieving, overvalued (by the owner), egotistical flunkies that have no business running an NBA franchise. What does Paxson get for his terrible years as GM? A promotion and his right hand man gets the new GM job. I can only hope that Gar is a man of action and intelligence. This franchise makes a lot of money 3rd most in the NBA as mentioned in Forbes 2008. The fans deserve better than what we have gotten in the last decade. Hope has arrived with Rose. Now we need to see if upper management can use his talent to build a solid foundation for a team that can contend in the near future.

by Savage23 on Jul 14, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't expect much from Gar...unless you want to be more frustrated!

He is status quo, a funkie within the organization, even before Paxson, even moreso indoctrinated to the Reinsdorf’s way of doing business.

External fresh blood is needed with vision, similiar to the type of leadership Phil Jackson exhibited not as a back office leader but a coach who stretched the GM office and owner it ways they didn’t want to be stretched.

Wasn’t it interesting how Michael Jordan recieved two separate contracts which finally matched his talent in his final two years as a Bull.. yet those contracts were only one year contracts each? Still they were sizable, I imagine for past rendered services but Reinsdorf found it hard to make a financial commitment to even the greatest player to play this game.

man up!

by exult463 on Jul 15, 2009 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

ya know, this really explains why people are already excited about James Johnson

he’s at the farthest possible point before he gets hardballed in contract negotiations!

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