Time to Let Tyrus Go...PLEASE

by papadoc on Jul 10, 2009 1:30 AM CDT Comment 25 comments

Its time to admit it people. Tyrus Thomas is a bust. Yes, I know he's turning 23. He MAYBE hasn't touched his ceiling yada yada yada. Give me a break. The guy has been in the league for 3 years. Name me one star big man in this league who wasn't making a huge impact by his 3rd year. I don't get where all this Tyrus support comes from. I'm convinced that Bulls fans are being brainwashed due to their loyalty to Mr. Paxson's draft picks. Fans are falling more in love with players and are more loyal to players than to the team.

My point is...how can someone who watches this team consistently somehow believe that Tyrus Thomas is capable of being something like a number 2 option or resemble any remnance of a top power forward in this league. Name me one basketball skill this guy actually has. What...he can make a 17 foot jumper 3 out of 10 times if he's open? Do you know how many wide open jumpers I've seen this guy take and brick? As a power forward, shouldn't he have at least one move with his back to the basket? Is it not clear that he has just about 0 offensive skills? But isn't that exactly the opposite of what we need?

So someone please tell me why anyone is even advocating for the organization to keep this bum around. To catch a lob once a game? To get 7 rebounds a game half the season and then 11 rebounds a game the other half? A couple of highlight blocks here or there? Wouldn't it be more efficient and significant to have a 4 who is ACTUALLY a second option and scores 20 points a game and actually rebounds well the ENTIRE season. I would GLADLY sacrifice the highlight lobs from Derrick Rose for a true 4 who knows how to play the game of basketball and is capable of putting the ball on the floor with his back to the basket. Speaking of which, I haven't even mentioned the fact that Tyrus Thomas turns the ball over just about (no exaggeration) every time he puts the ball on the floor. Who on this site actually believes or can possibly believe that Tyrus Thomas will somehow gain 40 lbs., develop a post game, learn how to dribble, improve his basketball IQ, and no longer turn the ball over every other time he touches it? ITS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN PEOPLE. As a power forward in the NBA, you either have it or you don't. A'Mare has it. Bosh has it. Boozer has it. Malone had it. Webber had it. Garnett has it. Stromile Swift never had it. Joe Smith never really had it. Marcus Fizer never had it. Drew Gooden never had it. Donyell Marshall never had it. (haha 4 former Bulls...all huge lottery busts, surprise surprise). I can keep naming busts for days and you can keep holding your breath for years. The bottom line is Tyrus Thomas NEVER WILL HAVE IT. Anyone who contradicts this fact is either in denial or just plain inexplicably far too loyal to a player who is truly a below average NBA power forward.

The Bulls need to do something about this situation and I mean quick. Somehow they've duped so many so-called knowledgable Bulls fans, especially on this site, into believing the Tyrus pick was a good pick because he's so young and has so much upside, etc. You can spin it any way you want, the pick was a massive bust and LeMarcus is undoubtedly the better player. Which is why THEY MUST trade him now while his value is not completely diminished and turn the pick into something of value to compensate for setting the organization back tremendously the past 3 seasons when we could have had a 7 foot 18 point scorer in Aldridge helping us out in the playoffs instead of Tyrus riding the bench. Enough with the denial...just embrace the fact that Thomas is essentially useless to this team in the long run and HE MUST GO NOW.

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if your wrong

you’ll be eating your own words =p

by aznlildelfin on Jul 10, 2009 2:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

"Some people wish it would happen, some people want it to happen, and some people make it happen." ~ Michael Jordan 23

by Bullsman on Jul 14, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

your analysis is simply incorrect

i guess it depends in ones definition of bust. Tyrus isnt going to be a 10 time all-star or a mvp. He will be, however, a very effective role player and probably even a starter on a good team. He still has to mature a bit, but he had a 16 PER last season. Its frustrating that just because tt isnt the player everyone would like him to be we assume he has no value. Remember how good he was playing before vdn started fucking with his minutes??

by rosefromconcrete on Jul 10, 2009 6:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wrong...

He should be further along than he is. But I don’t think he’s a bust. Some of his progress is his fault but a lot of it is due to the team. Player development is not something the Bulls are good. They knew Tyrus was very raw but I see no sign they tried to give him the tools to improve. Responsiblity to improve is still on the player too.

Tyrus will be gone soon, his days here are numbered. I think he will be a good player just not here. I see him more of a Marion/ak47 type of player rather than a true power 4. He needs to get bigger but unfortunately he doesn’t think so. Most big men take at least 3 years to really get it together. His minutes got jerked around a lot, that gets you out of rhythm. Look at Bynum, all that height and skills and with a HOF big man mentor in Kareem and he is still totally up and down.

Some players take time. I still don’t like aldridge, the only advantage he has is a better jumper. But Tyrus will be gone very soon so you’ll get your wish.

by C Smoove on Jul 10, 2009 7:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If you can actually sit there and tell me that the Bulls did not draft him to be a star…then MAAAAYBE he is not a bust. But he was taken as a top 5 lottery pick…when you get drafted that high, your team expects to make a huge impact and fairly quickly…in fact most teams would expect their top 5 pick to develop into a star (of course not the Bulls). And I’m sick of this excuse that VDN is jerking around his minutes. If he was making more of an impact or if he could defend bigger 4’s…then he wouldn’t be riding the bench. DO NOT BLAME IT ON VDN. Tyrus just isn’t that good and it’s obvious to VDN and probably all other NBA coaches when the feed their big men when Tyrus is in the game.

by papadoc on Jul 10, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"fairly quickly"? bullshit.

seriously, the bulls said they expected his development to take time. stop lying.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jul 11, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

4 years?

Come on now. This is the NBA. No one expects it to take 4 years for a top 5 lottery pick to develop into a star caliber player. If you think the Bulls wanted to still be developing Tyrus at this point then YOU’RE IN DENIAL. There’s a reason he’s on the trading block…because he didn’t turn out to be what they wanted him to be. He’s a DISAPPOINTMENT. And I really don’t understand why people take it so personally when someone mentions how big of a disappointment Tyrus is. But he is, there’s no way around it.

by papadoc on Jul 11, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is simply incorrect

J O’Neal was in year 4 or 5 before he started making an impact. I’m definitely not in the camp that says Tyrus should not be traded for a bigger/better piece…at the same time, it’s just way too early to give him the “bust” tag.

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by NormVanBeer on Jul 10, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

It's pretty clear you don't watch the Bulls, and just repeat whatever anyone in the media says about Tyrus

But, good to know one less poster to take seriously around here.

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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 10, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs

Look man...

It’s one thing to be on Tyrus’s jock and defend him like he’s your boyfriend…but please don’t tell me that I don’t watch the Bulls. I’m making very obvious basketball observations…which the media has also made apparently since what I’m saying is fairly obvious (although since when does the media talk about Tyrus Thomas?) If you don’t agree that’s fine…you’re blinded by some odd obsession with the “potential” of Tyrus Thomas. But please don’t react like I’m the anti-christ because I spoke poorly regarding the basketball skills of your boyfriend, Tyurs. Thanks.

by papadoc on Jul 10, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just like BG, another whipping boy.

O’Neal is a great example. His first 4 years in Portland, he was a fixture on the bench. Didn’t make an impact til he joined Indiana.

Some players don’t blow up right away. Part of the problem is Tyrus…it’s not all on the team but if he was in a certain system, he would be utilized correctly. It is up to the team to give the players the best situation to succeed….that is a fact.

However I don’t take Tyrus off the hook. It’s getting clear that he’d rather be a 3 than a 4. He needs to stay down in the paint, he needs to rebound more and box out better, he needs to stop shooting Js just because he’s open(bro, yer open for a reason)

But to say he has no skill is retarded. His jumper has improved, still inconsistent but his form is actually pretty good. He is actually a good ball handler for a 4, he used to have a lot of offensive fouls barrelling into people but he actually got better at getting to the free throw line without incuring offensive fouls.

He has some skills, he just hasn’t been able to put it all together and that is due to lack of coaching and also his relatively low b-ball IQ.

I think he is def. a trade chip but I still think he has a future. I can see him putting up 14 pts/8 reb/2 blks/2steals/2 assists if he gets 30-35 minutes consistently.

Will def. be gone by 2010 though, his future is not with this team

by C Smoove on Jul 10, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He is not O'Neal...

How do you compare Tyrus Thomas to Jermaine O’Neal…One is a total back to the basket player and the other is the exact opposite. They have nothing in common in terms of their play. The reason O’Neal actually developed was because he had some skill to begin with. There was something to work with in terms of post game. Tyrus is just a freakish athlete who was put on the basketball court and told to run back and forth and jump a lot, which he does well. But in terms of basketball…he’s Stromile Swift…bottom line.

Plus if O’Neal is the only example you got…then that’s just not that convincing to me.

by papadoc on Jul 10, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you said:

“Name me one star big man in this league who wasn’t making a huge impact by his 3rd year.”

Both C Smoove and myself named J. O’Neal. THAT’S where we got his name from.

Any more questions?

by NormVanBeer on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK...

So we have Jermaine O’Neal as our only example…a player who has accomplished absolutely nothing in his career except for have chronic injury issues. If that is our glimmer of hope…then yeah…we should definitely hold our breath for Tyrus Thomas to come around.

by papadoc on Jul 10, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doc I am starting to think you do not watch basketball

To say that O’Neal is “a player who has accomplished absolutely nothing in his career except for have chronic injury issues” is rediculous. He was a 6 time all star and a 3 time all nba. (Im sure many of us would be happy if TT can have that type of career) He also carried a sorry Indiana team the to the playoffs multiple times. Later in his career he developed injuries but that tends to happen to athletic bigs that have long careers. Also when O’Neal came in the the league he had one decent post move and developed the rest of his game thats why he never played in Portland, amoung other reasons. Im not saying that TT will develope or that we should keep him at all, but that you try not to pass off your silly opinions as well thought out facts.

by sbauman on Jul 10, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WRONG

He never played in Portland because he was stuck behind Rasheed Wallace, Arvydas Sabonis, and Cliff Robinson. THERE WAS NO ROOM FOR HIM IN PORTLAND. The exact opposite situation is happening here. There is absolutely 0 talent in our front court and plenty of opportunity for Tyrus to blossom, but HE IS NOT DOING IT. If Jermaine was not playing behind that crowded front court in Portland, he would have likely made a huge impact by his second year. How convenient that everyone ignored this little fact when mentioning our “example.” Let’s keep talking about Jermaine O’Neal as the reason why Tyrus could still be good, even though the situations and players have nothing in common.

by papadoc on Jul 10, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ridiculous

no one is saying that hes a star. The point is that he is a better than average nba player already and he is still oozing with potential. I dont know if he will ever realize his potential, but worst case scenario is that we have a reasonably efficient, yet erratic, offensive player that likes to play away from the basket/be a face up 4 that is already one of the best shot blockers in the nba. We could do worse and like I said earlier, last year he posted a 16 per which is virtually identical to derrick’s 16 per.

by rosefromconcrete on Jul 10, 2009 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

efficient, yet erratic?

seems to contradict… what does everyone consider an average NBA player. I’d say, off the bat, Hinrich is as average as you can get.

don't let the bed bugs bite

by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tyrus @26 and Rose @24 will better for us than amare/bosh (LeBron/Dwight owns East for ten years easy)

his progress is being slowed by our crappy developmental staff. We havent developed an all star since….. …. ….. u know. WE NEED COACHING AND A STAFF FOR OUR TEAM. P.S. VDN system WONT WORK FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP. HE CANT COACH DEFENSE, and the offensive system he wishes he could run hasn’t won a ring for Phoenix or the Knicks and Mike actually knows how to implement the system.

by BullFan on Jul 11, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he was

making sportscenter giggle with his isos

don't let the bed bugs bite

by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tyrus made an improvement last year.

You can’t downplay that fact. He sucked at the beginning, and picked it up at the end. Rumor has it that he’s working very hard this offseason, so why not see how he does? If he sucks, there’s always the trade deadline. It’s too hard and too stupid to give up on such an athletic talent like Tyrus, even after three years of frustration.

by KJBidz on Jul 11, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Athletic yes...Talent? What talent?

Where’s the talent? You need to excel at some sort of basketball skill, other than jumping high, to be considered a talent. Right now, I think he’s nothing but a FREAKISH ATHLETE. We’ve been “seeing how he does” for how many years now? This is getting old…no more “seeing how he does”. Like I said, he just doesn’t have it. I’ve seen enough.

by papadoc on Jul 11, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is blocking shots a talent?

And he’s not a bad rebounder if he puts his mind to it. I’m not saying he’s polished at all, but he’s not bad. We’ll "see how he does" one more time, and if he doesn’t do well then he’ll be gone.

by KJBidz on Jul 11, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is blocking shots a talent?

And he’s not a bad rebounder if he puts his mind to it. I’m not saying he’s polished at all, but he’s not bad. We’ll “see how he does” one more time, and if he doesn’t do well then he’ll be gone.

by KJBidz on Jul 11, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

THANK YOU

Papadoc, I could not agree more!!! I am so surprised that after watching his inconsistent play that results from a substantially low Basketball IQ so many fans want to keep him around. He is not and never will be the answer for us at the starting PF position if we hope to compete for a championship. He is a sixth man at best on a championship team. He does not have the skills we need in a PF, no low post game, no range on his jumper, no dribbling skills. Yes he can run, jump, block, and dunk. But he lacks fundamentals that he seems incapable of learning. Lets not lose him for nothing he has some value now lets cash it in.

by Savage23 on Jul 14, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs