results seem mixed on this; im guessing its been discussed, but then the bulls heard that the dreaded media found out and began calling their guys (smith, kc, woj) to go into full denial mode. we wouldnt want to upset our lord and savior kirk hinrich now would we?

how many times have trades been denied thoroughly only to happen shortly after? I don’t think this proves much either way.

the people that hate the pargo signing now are gonna have a fit when he becomes the third guard and starts playing crazy mintes.

They need to just do the trade, free up the cap space, and hope Nelson and PAago play better than expected…best case: we end up with a core of Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah + any free agent we can find room for…worst case (or maybe this is the best case): Boozer is injured all season, nobody steps up enough since all we really have are Rose, Deng, Noah, we get a high lottery pick and draft a solid young player…now we have Rose, Deng, Noah, draft pick, and the best player all that cap space can buy! I feel like it’s a win-win situation…

If they lose both Kurt and Tyrus just to get an incredibly expensive one year rental player whose offensive skills offset his lack of D except when he is recovering from his latest injury (isn’’t one dinged Deng enough?), the Bulls will have to change their name to the MATADORS in spite of adding such stellar super stoppers like tiny Jannero and the mighty Taj. Talk about putting a fear factor in opposing offenses I’m sure LeBron and Pierce are trembling at the threat to their title quests!

Hinrich is a solid defender and Thomas could be one of the best if they weren’t coached by one trick circus clowns. How would the Bulls coaching castoffs and never were wannabe’s rate relative to the winning teams leaders….(i.e. Celtics, Lakers, Rockets, Jazz)? On a scale of 1 to 10, I say the Bulls are lucky to rate single digits (zero doesn’t count).

Yes, I still believe in Tyrus who makes my heart twitter but whose Twitter skills leave a whole lot to be desired. At this point I would rate him as the VinnyDel Illiterate of the Twitter community and although his basketbal IQ is probably in Vinny territory, when he figures it out (with playing time, experience and encouragement,) somebody’s going to lament their shortsightedness. Call me a starstruck fool, but as the late Barry Goldwater once said….“In your heart, you know I’m right.”

If we get Boozer, do we get his Bird rights?
Can we offer him 6 years next summer (IOW, can we offer him more than anyone else)?

I don’t necessarily want Boozer long-term. But if we know we can sign him for more than anyone else next summer, he has an incentive to wait for our offer and work with us. Therefore, he then becomes an excellent S&T candidate (much better than TT at least) for say… Bosh.

If we can sign one max-FA first next summer straight out (Wade, LBJ) with the money we have under the cap, we then can S&T Boozer afterward for another max-FA (Bosh). Obviously, my whole goal here is to get 2 max-FA’s next year. Yes, it is a dream, but you owe it to your fans to go for it!! And that is the only possible way I see it happening.

If we don’t get Boozer’s Bird rights, I would just rather go into the season with TT, because Boozer then has no incentive to wait for work with us next summer.

Just a few days before the Bulls-Sac deal in February Smith had some words about a potential Boozer deal (for Hinrich, wtf? Why would Utah want Hinrich as a backup pg for 9 mil a year?):

At All-Star break I heard talk that the Jazz might be inclined to trade Carlos Boozer to the Bulls for Kirk Hinrich, a favorite of Jazz management. Boozer has an opt out after this season, so he could be a very short term rental. Of course, given his lack of play this season he could play one more season on his deal. The bigger issue is he’s missed with injury more than half the games the Jazz has played since he’s been there. And as for one of those wink, wink promises to resign, well, the Cavs thought they had one from Boozer before he signed with the Jazz. And Boozer supposedly made it when Jim Paxson, who is now on the Bulls staff, was running the Cavs.

I’d hope the Bulls wouldn’t consider that, though, like Stoudemire, he’d run a nice pick and roll with Rose. Still, I’d rather wait and see if Stoudemire is available this summer, or maybe even Lamar Odom. Other possibilities this summer are Hedo Turkoglu and Mehmet Okur.

The Clippers remain a possibility with big men under big contracts in Marcus Camby and Chris Kaman with a team with a small record. Portland, also with a management that long has cherished Hinrich and in need of a better point guard, has several appealing players they could deal, as do the Warriors.

Just a few more shopping days.

Apparently Smith is higher on the likes of Kaman, Camby and Okur rather than Boozer. Amare would be nice of course, but more expensive (sounds like he won’t go anywhere without an extension in place first for big money) and definitely does not allow us the flexibility that Boozer does.

And stop worrying about Pargo being the 3rd guard, Portland has to give us something back in this proposed deal, likely Blake and Outlaw or one of those players and another fill in. Looks like Pargo will remain our 4th guard in this deal.

Sign and trade could work for Boozer, it would narrow the field down to people that want to give Boozer 6 years and there’s a high probability he plays well on our team with Rose at point and of course him being in a contract year. Even the worst characters often perform well in those contract years.

Sign and trade for Bosh could work too, though it’s a very narrow and low probability thing at this point. But imagine Bosh wants out, Toronto can’t do anything other than try to sign and trade to bring something back. Not a bad deal if they get Boozer for Bosh after Bosh opts out. Sure, it’s a downgrade, but it’s so much better than Bosh walking. Of course the deal could be adjusted either way to satisfy either team’s requirements, picks/small expiring/small salaries, etc. but that would be the headline.

I apologize, I missed the italics error.

Smith’s words should end at “Just a few more shopping days” rather than “was running the Cavs.”

that these latest developments are another red herring
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I hope Bayless isn’t our sticking point preventing this deal from being done.

I’d imagine we’d get Outlaw with Bayless in any deal that sends Hinrich to Portland, but I could be wrong.

The league is filled with young, inexperienced point guards and we already have the best 1-2 year PG in the league who conservatively projects to be a top 10 PG for years to come. I’m not sure what Bayless provides us other than a possible future trade asset. Hell, it’s not even a fact that he would be a good backup for Rose.

I think I’d almost rather have Blake backup Rose this year and we can use the 4 million or so next year to pick what we want from a much larger pool than “Blake or Bayless.”

blzrfan, I believe that is not correct.

The bulls could easily do either deal alone, sending Tyrus + Tim Thomas/Jerome James expiring deals to Utah for Boozer. Salaries would be close, if not within the allowable limits for the trade and the Jazz would get over 6 million in expiring contracts + Tyrus.

We could do Hinrich straight up for Outlaw and either Bayless or Blake. I believe that also matches up pretty closely.

If the only 4 players involved were Bayless, Tyrus, Hinrich and Boozer, the Blazers would be taking back 6 million in salary and the Bulls would be taking back another 2 or so I believe, which won’t likely happen. Maybe that is the trade though, who knows.

Wouldn’t Jerome James deal be at least partially covered by insurance? Meaning the salaries match up to make the trade work + the Jazz don’t pay his full 6 million… that would give them a few million more to help sign Milsap and save money this year, as well as next.

So then the Blazers would probably take the brunt of Utah’s savings this year?

I guess that makes more sense.

I don’t see the Bulls taking back more money than they are giving away though, at least nothing worth mentioning.

@mandoman10 They are either giving up Blake and/or Outlaw or they are taking back 5+ million dollars in this deal and allowing Utah to have Millsap (not sure if it was just Portland’s fans that wanted Milsap or not).