Ben Gordon is a Piston. We're stuck being Bulls fans.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:32 PM CDT
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Don't worry. I'm not going to do what everyone thinks I'm going to do...and just flip out.
I'm kidding, of course. Lets rant:
First, this is not a Detroit Pistons or a Ben Gordon blog. I can't dedicate much (now...this may be Blog-A-Ben for a few weeks) as to how the Pistons are better off after giving the former Bulls guard a 5 year, ~$55m contract, or how Gordon can be more successful (for himself and team-wise) there.
He sure did quite well for himself financially, and doesn't look so 'stupid' for turning down previous offers.
This is about the Bulls, the team we're unforunately obligated (in however weird way we justify it) to root for. How they completely bungled how to handle a young and very good player, to an unprecendented level.
And I mean unprecedented: last summer Ben Gordon was the best player (under the current rookie salary rules) ever to take the Qualifying Offer. And he's now the best player to walk from the organization that drafted him, 5 years ago.
I'm writing this before the Bulls and others spin (or at least before I read it) the logistics of his departure, but I've been fearing for months that it'd be a situation like this where Gordon took an offer quickly and there'd be no matching 'process' for the Bulls to undergo. The Bulls earned no right for Gordon to let them do so.
Or maybe he did give the Bulls a chance to match and they chose not to. It's certainly a rich deal, but an offer the Bulls should've made themselves.
Even if this contract, in a vacuum, is overpaying Gordon, this is what the Bulls risked by not signing him the previous two seasons. They talk all the time about the benefits of signing early extensions to hedge against injury (hello, Luol Deng!) or poor play (Kurt!). Well it goes the other way too: if the team doesn't get the extensions done early, they risk getting outbid. And apparently Ben Gordon is worth $11m a season, as it only takes one team to make it truth. And this isn't a true market where the Bulls can just go out and pay for a replacement. The Bulls knew this was a risk, and still lowballed (if you look at his negotiations in relation to Deng, Hinrich, and Noc) Gordon last summer, and then pulled the offer after Gordon accepted it.
(Read that last sentence again in case you feel your anger subsiding, that should do the trick to get it back.)
The fact that their payroll was already careerning towards the luxury tax line is a result of mistakes from the past. The Ben Wallace signing still lingers on this team in the form of dead money. Luol Deng received a bit more than he deserved, and that was when healthy. Kirk Hinrich became an overpaid backup the second the Bulls won the lottery. But that doesn't mean they have to try and rectify those mistakes by letting Gordon go. They have over $25m in expiring contracts (Miller/Thomas/James) coming off the books at the end of the year. That's one season of paying the luxury tax, after a decade of record profits fueled by sellout crowds watching rookie contracts.
Gordon's contract is for his prime seasons. There is a fairly high floor as to how he'll perform during that time. Say he's really a $9m player in terms of production. He's then overpaid a bit. He'd be on a Bulls team with other guys who are likely overpaid a bit under that standard. But on the court it's a lot of talent. And that's how you win a title, by having the best team. Not by having the least overpaid players.
All indications were that the basketball people in the Organization wanted to keep Gordon. It was the guy signing the checks who wasn't so sure. So what Jerry Reinsdorf's team (I should say his investment. The White Sox are his team) gets for 'not overpaying' Ben Gordon is...being worse. Not having a player to trade in a future move for a frontcourt star. Not having a player remaining after they package multiple players for that star. Let him go with nothing to show for themselves. No matter how they compensate with the current group it won't be as good as if they kept everybody.
And I can't see them doing anything the rest of this offseason if it means going over the tax, as then why not just keep Ben Gordon? What this non-move means is that the Bulls do not care about winning. Not this year. Likely not for several years. They are far away from contention, and it's simply amazing that they think they're in any position to let talent walk, let alone their best player of the past 5 years. They're signalling that they're content to take one shot in Derrick Rose's prime, which means we can't really give a care about anyone else on the roster. Maybe Luol Deng? Joakim Noah? They're already starting to do with Tyrus Thomas what happened with Gordon years ago. Everyone else is going to be gone by the time this team is going for a title. Not winning one, or competing for one, but merely having a plan to try and go for one.
(And they certainly do not have the coach (lowest paid in the league, mind you) that will get them any closer to that level. They don't even have a coach who can properly run the team to the level where we even know if their young players are good enough to keep.)
Why shouldn't I just wait for 2010 if this team clearly is? The Bulls can feel free to laugh back at me, since clearly I'm not so smart either after putting down a deposit for next year's (partial, please.) season tickets.
And if 2010 is the plan, really go for it. Deal Hinrich now for expirings. Tell us that this is a 'transition' (nicer way to say 'rebuilding' or 'going cheap, you suckers!'), talk a big game and wait for the full-boat free agents to come. This is a team that just told the league they do not like spending money on their best players. That's always an attractive quality in a franchise that's courting free agents. Just give me a minute while I get Benny and the Luvabulls before we head to the airport and greet the lucky fellas.
Wait, not a minute, a whole goddamned year.
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This is some real good stuff,
and brought to light how poorly run this franchise has been since the Jordan/Pippen era.
by dakoose on Jul 1, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They weren't really run that great during the Jordan/Pippen era now were they?
We should have at least 7 championships… if not 8!
by smash! on Jul 2, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good riddance
This selfish, undersized shooting guard who badmouted his own players after a spectacular playoff series against the Celtics won’t be missed! Save your tears for a more deserving player. The Pistons will soon find out what they bought, a pig in bag!
by SlamDunk on Jul 1, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG doesn't have character issues
As far as we know, he’s been a perfect professional. If there’s anyone you need to be pissed at, it’s the management of our Bulls. The article that tells us Charlie V and BG are signing with the Pistons. THAT SHOULD BE US!
We are the ones that should be flirting with real free agents. With a REAL coach.
Seriously, Jerry. You’re a bum!
by Alighieri on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls will pay 4 this. It'll be the Lottery next year.
I heard an NBA expert say a good team needs 2-3 good offensive players and at least two good defensive players to be a realy good team. The Bulls only had one, BG, a young very good offensive player. They had no good defensive players to compliment him. Hinrick was overated. He can’t guard anyone under 6’4. This cheap & pathetic organization knows exactly what they are doing. Pippin, Jordon, Jackson, Brand, Artest, Miller, and now Gordon. Gordon conducted himself very professionally for some very ignorant and ungrateful fans. I said ignorant because his 4th qt. FG% was consistently amongst the highest in the league. Well lets see how well 10 mil/yr backup pg Hinrick fares against him next year. I wish Gordon the best.
by sadafan on Jul 2, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did he badmouth his own players?
What are you talking about?
by smash! on Jul 2, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG implied that
if the Bulls wanted to win they’d have to get better players or something. Makes some moves. Kinda like everyone has been saying here.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this..
They have over $25m in expiring contracts (Miller/Thomas/James) coming off the books at the end of the year. That’s one season of paying the luxury tax, after a decade of record profits fueled by sellout crowds watching rookie contracts.
So true and not to mention VDN is cheap. This organization reeks of cheapness. Wow JR you fucking asshole!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Mr. Chairman did pay company men
like Luol Deng and Kirk Hinrich.
Steward of the basketball arts the Chairman is not. Steward of profit making sold as a trustee of the basketball arts he is.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 2, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe
the first two lines are gold!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to Milwaukee!
Who’s with me? Huh? Come on. Who’s coming with me?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 2, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To watch games?
I was thinking about it. Closer to me actually.
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here, actually an easier drive to Milwaukee
But I took NBA Observer to mean he would become a Bucks fan. With how much hate and frustration he seems to feel toward the Bulls organization, it’s probably best for him to switch.
by kozzer on Jul 2, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee is pretty awesome city-wise.
I dunno about their team. Jennings is pretty awesome!
I think I’ll just watch all the teams I like from afar, and not have a real favorite.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 2, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know what else to say
That just summed up everything that I hate about this situation. I agree, why not just go for it and deal hinrich for expiring contracts and Tyrus for a future pick since they won’t pay him either when the time comes.
by bigballa10 on Jul 1, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they don't care, I don't care!
Which is a lie of course…or is it??? Well written yfbb
by Renobull on Jul 1, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you buddy.
This whole situation sucks. I refuse to take down the 3 BG posters, that I have collected over the years from Bulls Eyes. BG will remain to be one of my favorite players. And with Rasheed and maybe Rip gone from Detroit. I might be able to start rooting for them as well.
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben and Tyrus were/are my favorite.
I fear for my future fandom.
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Jul 2, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they deal Hinrich for expirings
then we’d have about $34 million under the cap space to go with Noah – Deng – Rose?
Rose
Wade
Deng
Bosh
Noah
CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!! BOOK IT!!!
by patagonia on Jul 1, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What happens when Bosh and or Wade want to do a sign-and-trade to get an extra ~$30 million?
Oops!!!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jul 2, 2009 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon didn't get signed because the goal is to have a starting lineup of 4-letter-word players only.
See it all makes sense now.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
And that's why Luol Deng is worth the big bucks!
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 2, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wade and bosh
would be nice to fill sg and pf … yes sir
WADE 2010
by Orange Juice on Jul 2, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice post
i agree: ditch Hinrich now for expirings you cheap bastards. One season in the Luxury Tax is gonna hurt your wallet Jerry?
FU
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Jul 1, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent rant
I particularly liked the part about how it would be the luxury tax for 1 year.
I also agree that I would have more respect if the Bulls absolutely nuked this team outside of Rose and possibly Noah. If you want to clear cap space, do it big and get a high lottery pick to boot. They have the right coach in place for that plan.
And it would actually be a plan rather than just slogging around with mediocrity and a slow descent into a bunch of lottery years even with Rose and then Rose bolting (otherwise known as the Clippers doctrine as promulgated by Donald Sterling).
The Bulls simply have horrible management. Until a GM and coach are in place that are competent, there’s really not much hope for a truly competitive team. What a waste of a franchise.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't even think of the high lottery pick from a tanking season
it’s an obvious reason to start selling off anything of use.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's already a 2010 mock draft fanshot/post
I admit, I went there before reading this. I kinda knew what you were gonna say. Pretty level-headed actually. So, still a fan?
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Jul 2, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the GM is fine based on what I've seen, it's the ownership that needs replacing, and I don't see that happening.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree, if we assume that Gar=Pax
A good GM would have:
1) Not fallen in love with Kirk
2) Really not signed Deng to that contract when he obviously is not that kind of talent
3) Not let Gordon walk
4) Not whiffed on Aldridge and/or Roy
5) Not given away JR Smith
6) Not failed for YEARS to acquire some sort of low post scorer
7) Not lost Gordon for nothing
8) Managed to get a better coach in place. I know JR obviously meddled here and money was an issue, but a very good GM manages to make D’Antoni or Flip Saunders happen by selling the owner on it as well.
The Bulls roster construction has sucked for years and the coaching hire betrayed how there is no plan in place, despite there being a lot of “process”. A good GM can create a good team even with ownership issues.
Maybe I’m being too hard on Paxson and Gar. Goodness knows I probably wouldn’t grade out best in show in my job. But, on the other hand, they do get paid way more than me so I’m not going to fell too guilty…
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We don't assume Gar=Pax.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
[Well, I'm not.]
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may not be, in which case I don't have much data to evaluate him
Except that I think this draft was poor. Johnson, on paper, is a defensible pick. Gibson is not. Especially if you know BG is gone, how can you not take Ellington to back up Salmons and provide some %#^$! shooting? I can only assume they think that’s covered with Kirk which is a bad sign.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you think Hinrich can be an effective backup 2?
As far as backup guards go, he’s as good as it gets.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 2, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk is fine backing up the guards
But
1) You don’t pay a backup what Kirk get paid
2) If the bulls want to get better big time in 2010, clear room for 2 max offers plus a lottery pick…dealing Kirk helps do that.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 2, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's not just backing up one guard
he backs up two and plays 30-35 min/game
by hlac on Jul 2, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still waaaaaaaay overpaid.
But if the Bulls do decide to keep him around, I have no problem seeing him get 30 minutes off the bench.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 2, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, Kurt is way overpaid now
but when he signed the contract, he was the starting PG and his contract is reasonable for a legit starter who has many tools in his toolbox (even if not one of the tools is “high-end”).
by kozzer on Jul 2, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's arguable.
He was definitely a little overpaid at the time, although the contract is frontloaded, so it’s not the worst contract ever.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 2, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JR signed Deng to that deal. The JR Smith thing was a Skiles thing as much as anything. Pax (and Gar, presumably)
made efforts to get a post scorer, but JR refused to pay the tax to facilitate deals (namely Pau Gasol and he’s making the same grumblings re: Amare).
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those White Sox rings were cheap also!
I’m sorry classy I think they called them.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I rec this, if that makes sense it's already up?
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
reply fail
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 11, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tsk Tsk Tsk
Such negativity.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 1, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I will wait to be positive
when they do something positive. I am done with potential, mysterious plans, and versatile (aka mediocre) players being championed. Until something good comes from this I am assuming it won’t. They used up all of my benefit of the doubt last summer.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
All this 2010 plan they that say they have could be all bullshit. I want to see some moves, and fast. Otherwise, I’ll ask for GarPaxDorf head…
by bull83 on Jul 2, 2009 5:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as unhappy as us Bulls fans are...
in losing Gordon it looks like most Piston fans are just as unhappy in overspending for him… Rip hates coming off the bench, as does Ben,,, do they play Rip at the 3 and then Prince at the 4?
by wiltfongjr on Jul 1, 2009 10:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. A lose-lose situation!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 1, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben never complained about coming off the bench.
They can still trade Rip.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently they informed Ben that he would be a super sub
Which is fine to him, I would bet, when the person in front of him is Rip Hamilton and not Thabo Sefolosha. Nothing against Thabo, but …
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Chris Duhon
He was more professional than many players would have been if Chris Duhon was starting over them.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Who else started over BG. … Hum. I can’t remember. Perhaps I’ve blocked it out.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stuckey to the bench
Put your best two guards in. Not the greatest handlers, but they’ll be passable.
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Jul 2, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really do want to see this though.
Gordon as PG is … just fun.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 2, 2009 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumars can just beat up Rip
with his own stat sheet. Although Michael Curry is now gone, Rip was a better performer off the bench than he was as a starter.
I’d be surprised if Detroit keeps Rip, but if they do BG will start and Rip will come off the bench.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 2, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last bit of hope
To begin with, I, too, am distraught over the likely loss of Ben Gordon. I do think there is a slim possibility that the Bulls still sign him, though. I believe that upon being given the 5 year 55M offer from the Pistons, Gordon had no choice but to say that he accepts it. By doing so, he kept the Pistons offer solid for the next week while signaling to the Bulls that they better call him and match the Pistons offer before July 8th (when he can officially sign). Therefore, in my opinion, the Bulls will only lose Gordon if they are committed to not paying the Luxury Tax this year and do not believe they can swing trades to get below it with Gordon on the hook for around 10 million this year. With that in mind, I am about 90% confident that the Bulls will let the Pistons offer be their justification for not pursuing Gordon fully under the guise that they weren’t going to overpay for his services. Hopefully JR surprises us all and tries to pay back us fans for our years of buying tickets to watch low payroll, bad, teams.
by smashbrickley on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry man
it’s over :-/
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, but I can hope for one more week.
Cant I?
by smashbrickley on Jul 1, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Pistons lose money and have to shutdown their franchise in the next week.
We can only dream!
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by Andrew7 on Jul 1, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a slim chance
Detroit as a city doesn’t make it to July 8th.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 2, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, your best hope is that somehow, someway the Bulls actually get a good 2010 FA to come here
That probability is not 0, though I believe it to be very low. There is a chance that I’m wrong and the Bulls really do relentlessly pursue making the team better in a big way. I don’t think that will happen, but there is 0 chance that BG is not a Piston.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm giving serious consideration to throwing in the towel on my Bulls fan-dom.
The only reason I’m a Bulls fan is out of some misguided feeling of loyalty to the team that gave a young, impressionable basketball fan the Jordan years when I was in an NBA vortex (Alabama). Upon moving back to the Northeast, instead of switching over to C’s fan-dom, I remained a loyal Bulls fan. And for what? Years of intermittent mediocrity and suckiness? To watch the owner line his wallet year after year and let his best player walk for nothing? I’ve yet to see any indication that this organization is as loyal to its fans as I have been as a fan, so fuck them.
I might come back to the fold, but right now, I’ve had it with the Bulls.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Put your blinders on and try to enjoy Rose and Noah.
That is what I am going to try to do.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly that's about all there is to do if I want to remain a Bulls fan. I just don't know that it makes sense to invest myself
so much in a team whose FO doesn’t give a shit about winning.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I’m going to follow the players and root for them … I think the blinders might still be on, at least for a little bit, but on an intellectual level I can’t root for the Bulls anymore.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im feeling the same
Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens
by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you guys like crazy ???? all this negativity.Ben god rest his sole he could shoot but he gave up alot of points i mean alot of points defensively. The only reason he had to score 30 to win was bc he couldnt guard at the 2 guard he short dosent play defense ball hog and a turnover nightmare.Plus we have derrick rose for the last minute shot he should be are game winning shot taker
by bears rock on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Ben god rest his sole"
angryandy?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
hhahaha
we need angryandy here to cheer us up
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear that guy's a godsend, wait! interesting thought....
is angryandy actually Jerry Reinsdorf in disguise? The level of intellect would seem to suggest it…
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
angryreinsdork
Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens
by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stick a pole in your ass please
Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens
by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"oh my" - Funk
that’s a bit much.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many points? did you count?
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by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Bearsrock...
Everybody quit yer bitchin!!! Ben had his moments but hes a one dimensional player who is NOT WORTH $11 million!!!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 1, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess you are worth 11 million?
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by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen, and Ben lost money!
and Ben lost money over the course of his career so it wasn’t a good move. He could have been starting year 3 of the initial Bulls offer and look to resigned in two years. He delayed signing a big contract by two years for what? “The deal is slightly more than the five-year, $50 million and six-year, $54 million deals Gordon rejected from the Bulls the last two summers”
Who screwed up? 10M x 2 years = 20M. He waits and signs for 11M.
He was only making 3-4 M instead of 10M. A loss of 12 M for waiting!!
Awesome Ben.
The Bulls screwed up how?
by Noe_Valley on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did the math in the other thread. You are off in your numbers.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he signed an extension two years ago
It wouldn’t have kicked in until his current deal was up. So he didn’t lose that money. Correct me if I’m wrong somebody.
by bigballa10 on Jul 1, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that still means he missed out on a year.
I.e., he wouldn’t have been on the QO this past year, but rather his extension. So really, it’s probably a wash.
by arjoseph on Jul 2, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not a wash
I did the math including the QO and alternatives in the other thread. Ben came out $7M ahead.
And that was with me believing it was a 5/$55M contract. Apparently he got 5/$58M.
by Sports2 on Jul 2, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Reinsdorf is cheap...
but this team really isn’t in the terrible shape you propose. There is really no reason to trade Hinrich for expiring contracts now, he is a useful player. There is no purpose in trading Tyrus before a real deal arises, which is self explanatory. I would have preferred Ben stay a Bull, but definitely not at 11 million. No matter how often you attempt to spin the twisted logic that the Bulls overspent on Hinrich and Deng so they should overspend again, it just doesn’t make sense.
I don’t understand denigrating the other players on the team because we liked Gordon. It seems people are hoping for Deng to get hurt again or for Hinrich to be unsuccessful just so Reinsdorf, Paxon and now Forman will be proved wrong. I just don’t think its worth it or reasonable.
There is no reason to like Reinsdorf and I think we all knew that during the collapse of the dynasty (or my dad describes it to me when I forget); furthermore there is no reason to like Paxon and Forman as they are simply an extension of Reinsdorf.
There are reasons to like Deng, Hinrich, Salmons, etc. We don’t need to persecute those we perceive as benefiting from the relative incompetence of our organization as none of that is there own doing.
The Bulls are the Bulls no matter what jackass runs them.
by McCabe on Jul 1, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the Bulls arent interested in useful players
they’re interested in cheap (and I suppose young?) players. They’re waiting for 2010. This is what I keep hearing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like they were waiting for 2000 to sign Grant Hill and T-Mac
Why would any superstar want to sign with this pathetic organization?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funniest Tmac to the Bulls story
Was when the Bulls had Jerry Krause and Bennie the Bull waiting at the airport for T-Mac. Way to spend big, JR! But in hindsight, it’s probably a good thing we lost out on Tracy “First Round Exit” McGrady.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are missing what I am saying.
I just don’t want to be consumed by an anti-organizational/anti-VDN rage that will prevent me from enjoying the thing I use as a diversion from real shit. The Bulls are a product and I know that I have no control over how that product is managed; I just moved to Portland so I could commit to that product, but it signifies absolutely nothing to me and never will. I just don’t believe hating the team you love has purpose.
by McCabe on Jul 1, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
how do you enjoy a product?
if there cheap and keep fucking up, its alright to complain
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if fans never complained
then owners would never spend money and seats would still be full
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the point of blogs
To complain. If it upsets you to hear all this talk about the Bulls. Then don’t come on blogabull. Stay away from the negativity and you’ll be happier. I come on because I find it amusing what people think.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I come on here
because most of my friends aren’t AS into the Bulls as me (which, admittedly, it quite a bit) and I need someplace to vent when this organization consistently annoys and disappoints me.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, that's why I started a blog!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then we are on the same page sir
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow, unintentional, horrible pun
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was pretty good
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Refreshing even.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
i retract the horrible part of that statement
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing wrong with complaining...
there is something wrong with being consumed by those complaints until you hate the thing so much that there isn’t any reason to complain anymore.
by McCabe on Jul 1, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but no reason for you to get upset about it also
Think about it. You’re getting upset about people getting too upset.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not upset...
I am saying I don’t understand the response. I haven’t made any threats or claims.
by McCabe on Jul 1, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit yelling at me!!!!!
yeah people get heated. No point trying to calm them down though.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're getting at
but get in a few days of rage, it’ll be good :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was raging for a day or so after the draft
(as some of you may have noticed by me making some not-so-subtle “threats” at GarPaxDorf on here), but I think this is going to take me through the weekend to get over. I’m just going to miss some of the crazy, out-of-left field shots BG would make every single game. He was always good for at least one, no matter how bad he was shooting that night.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason for blogs is to vent
Share it with people. Now if you go down the street and punch someone in the face because they look like Reinsdorf. Then you got some problems.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, that was kind of my point
not to literally threaten someone, but to vent about actual basketball issues that casual bball fans just don’t realize and/or care about
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suggest we rage "Detroit style" and burn down JR's neighborhood.
I mean, that would be appropriate, right?
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Jul 2, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you love it?
Love and hate defy purpose.
But for me, I like watching good, interesting basketball. There are lots of alternative uses of my time. Movies, TV, exercise, my kids, working more, you name it.
The vast majority of those activities, I both have more control over and will get some actual reward from. So when these clowns make their product worse, they give me one less reason to pay to see it.
by Sports2 on Jul 2, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I enjoy watching good interesting basketball and the Bulls without Gordon and with Deng will play good, interesting basketball. Secondly, I was born in Chicago, remember going to playoff games as a kid, remember mimicking Michael Jordan while posting up my grandma, remember my first pair of Jordans and the Elton Brand jersey I got for Christmas, I remember Derrick Rose getting picked, and I remember the feeling of being in the Boston Garden as silence fell over the stunned Celtics crowd. These things supersede the general operation of activity and point to why one chooses basketball to be truly passionate about.
by McCabe on Jul 3, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BEN was the heart and soul of this team, and he led this FUCKING TEAM back to relevance
3 STRAIGHT PLAYOFF APPEARANCES, while leading the team in scoring, and this is how it wounded up!!!!! AFTER 4 fucking years the 3rd OVERALL PICK in 2004 was let go.
Fuck the world
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by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heart and soul of Ben Gordon
He cared only about himself! Good riddance to the selfish bastard!!!!!
by SlamDunk on Jul 1, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to say he was a midget.
And that he gave Rose the stank eye. Wait, I think there was something else. I forgot!
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon gave the Bulls a chance to match FWIW
Once presented with Dumars’ formal offer, Brothers contacted the Bulls.
But management chose not to enter luxury-tax territory to re-sign someone who averaged 18.5 points per game, shot 41.5 percent on three-pointers and became the first player in NBA history to win Sixth Man of the Year Award as a rookie in 2005.
Gordon stayed true to his word that he wanted to remain a Bull. The Bulls did not stay true to their word that they wanted to re-sign Gordon, or that was their highest priority, or whatever diatribe Forman has been spouting out the past few weeks.
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by Andrew7 on Jul 1, 2009 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Link
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-02-bulls-ben-gordonjul02,0,5953796.story
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by Andrew7 on Jul 1, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes, CHOSE NOT TO ENTER LUXURY TAX TERRITORY
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by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
“I don’t have any regrets, and I don’t have any bitter feelings for the Bulls,” Gordon said after returning to Chicago late Wednesday. “Business is business. I’m going to a situation now where winning is the No. 1 priority. I’m happy with my decision.”
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Zang
Rumor has it Alex Brown keeps Chris Simms' right index finger in his back pocket for good luck.
by HanelucaTC on Jul 1, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm, I maybe a partial Pistons fan for next season
still love my bulls tho
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by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
League Pass might truly be League Pass next year, and not Bulls pass.
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by Andrew7 on Jul 1, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW. Hey LeBron! Hey Dwayne! Chris! Amare! Over here!
Can’t you see this bitter cold city with the greedy owner and a legend’s shadow hanging over your every loss is the best situation for you?! What do you mean fuck off?
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Sure, "Business is Business," Ben Gordon's business
He’d better learn to play some defense with that undersized body at the shooting guard position. His hiring will get Joe Dumars fired!
by SlamDunk on Jul 1, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet if the Bulls had tried to match
Gordon would have told Reinsdorf that his offer to let the Bulls match had expired.That’s what I would have done at least.
by potato0328 on Jul 2, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I would have brought a music player
and put on some classic Ennio Morricone score to set the mood.
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben doesn't get his $$$
and of course the Bulls don’t want to win! News flash BG you aren’t a superstar and you don’t deserve superstar money! Good luck in Detroit but we all knew you weren’t long for Chicago ever since your rookie season when you wanted to be a starter but came off the bench. Thanks for the memories!
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 2, 2009 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, the Bulls want to win
but chase it extremely incompetently?
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 2, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 mil isn't super money.
Just wait until the Bulls try to sign a superstar.
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well first of all if you think 55 million dollars is superstar money
Then no one can help you.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
dude are you gonna change the image on your blog?
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by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to make a new one with both Gordon and Rose
If Gordon re-signed. But there is no need to change it now.
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by Andrew7 on Jul 1, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was still the image of BG, my bad
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by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bullshit about wanting to re-sign BG bugs me as much as anything
I suppose the awful management of talent should bother me more….
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meh...
The middle of several to go as the Bulls try to build a championship team around Rose…does anyone think the players that were here when Rose was drafted would still be around??? Gooden, Hughes and Simmons were already traded, now Gordon is gone…next up, the Bulls will have to move Hinrich and perhaps even Deng and Thomas….the Bulls team that makes the finals will look nothing like the Bulls team from last summer…that is what happens when a team acquires a superstar….look at Cleveland, for example, the only player that remains from the team Lebron was drafted to is Big Z, look at Miami, the only player left on that roster is Haslem…the Lakers, Kobe has Fish, and no one else…
This team must be built around DRose….
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is the root of what is happening. The drafting of Derrick Rose set all of this in motion.
I expect this team to be totally different. They already said so. Hinrich is gone and so is Deng and Thomas. Noah will be the only one who stays from the old core. When Rose was drafted I knew that was the end for Ben, Kirk and Deng.
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the problem
even when rebuilding around a newfound superstar, most teams don’t let their former 3rd overall pick in a draft walk away for nothing. Unless injuries, personality conflicts or the 1996 Orlando Magic are involved, it just doesn’t happen.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, compare this roster
to that Cavs one with LeBron. Does that make BG like Ricky Davis? give me a break.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just shows how cheap and blatant this organization is
do they really think the fans are stupid enough not to notice that kind of stuff? I mean, can you name one other team that does that? Spends a top-3 pick on a guy who turns into the best player of the last decade for your franchise then let him go for nothing?
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can poll my coworkers tomorrow
and they will all be happy to see BG go. They will think what they are told to think. It really is as simple as that. They are also Cubs fans though so I think being a Cubs is their punishment.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right, because
everyone who is happy to see BG go aren’t thinking for themselves. There’s no way one can reasonably not like having a 1-dimensional player get paid $11/yr. Also because the BG contract situation exists in a vacuum.
by kozzer on Jul 2, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually shocked.
My main bball follower was all concerned that Rose would have to take up too much of the offensive load without BG. That Rose might have to play SG and Kirk PG. He thought Salmons was going to have to play SF. I had to remind him we had Deng on the team. Ha! He seemed worried.
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich was
resigned, Deng was resigned, BG didnt get resigned…they even resigned Chandler. I think the Bulls pick and choose who they want and don’t want to pay. Curry and Gordon fell into the latter.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 2, 2009 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are against overpaying guys
then you should hate Deng and Hinrich. They were over paid the day they signed the papers.
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking Hughes was more like Ricky Davis...
…BG is more like an experienced DeJuan Wagner, but I could see you would compare him to Ricky Davis (highest scorer and all)
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 2, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true, but the Bulls fucked up last year when they pulled the deal off of the table. They
could have did a sign and trade last year…even if Gordon decided to wait a few days later. Gordon on the otherhand did a master stroke. He signed for one year qualifier with a no trade clause in his contract, thus ensuring when he leaves that the Bulls would not get shit in return.
Yes I agree…Bulls Management created this debacle today. They did not want to spend on Gordon which is all right, but to make it where they would receive no value in return should have gotten Paxson fired.
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree totally!!
The BG era is OVAH!!! Its a whole new day!!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 1, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This should also be mentioned.
Tyrus Thomas is gone too. Tyrus will have a free agent amount of $12.1 million, which would preclude the Bulls from signing a max free agent.
I don’t have a crystal ball, but this is how I envision 2010 most likely playing out. Lebron stays in Cleveland and Wade stays in Miami. Amare signs with Miami, while Bosh goes to Cleveland. Yao Ming is injured now, and Steve Nash will sign elsewhere than the Bulls.
So the Bulls free agent targets would look like Carlos Boozer, Michael Redd, Richard Jefferson, and Joe Johnson.
When you put all things into perspective (production, efficiency, clutchness, and durability), I’m not so sure any of those players are better than Gordon, and if they are, it’s just a minor upgrade at most.
So we will essentially be giving up Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, and the ability to leverage our $25 million in expiring contracts in trades, for a player, who might not even be better than Gordon is.
2010 a plan to rebuild? It’s not a viable plan for a team like the Bulls to build a contender. For Miami, yes. Cleveland to improve too. But not for the Bulls, who should be a lotto team next year, barring some miracle.
All this is, is Reinsdorf being cheap, which I think most people realize. Keeping Gordon, keeping Tyrus, and leveraging our expiring contracts for longterm commitments would have costed a lot more money. It would have made us a lot better team too, probably a contender, but profits may have not been at their maximum point. The 2010 plan, should get us around maximum profits.
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by Andrew7 on Jul 1, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bosh to bulls.
What does cleveland have to offer Toronto in a sign and trade? As I’m sure your aware Bosh gets more money and year in that scenario.
by robinhood on Jul 1, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland has Lebron
Who Bosh has been rumored to be planning to go wherever he goes in 2010.
by Renobull on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland will have cap space to retain Lebron and sign a max free agent.
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by Andrew7 on Jul 1, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best thing for the Cavs to do
Would be to make it to the Finals next year and lose in Game 7. I feel like if the Cavs won the championship. Lebron would feel like his mission was accomplished. He brought a championship to Cleveland. Now time to go play with Bosh in NYC. or Chicago?
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Johnson is better than Gordon...
In basically every measure of better…I would love the Bulls to acquire him in 2010.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get your hopes up
There will be several teams able to sign the big name guys. If the Bulls were serious about 2010, they would’ve been clearing cap space for it ahead of time. They still could, I just wouldn’t hold my breath.
by bigballa10 on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
next year he's going to be 29
by the time this team becomes a contender, Johnson would be going downhill
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Its a terrible way to win with Vets…nobody wins their first title after 30…rolls eyes
Not every player who the Bulls sign should be 25…that is not a good way to win a title…in fact, a team needs vets to win titles.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 2, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey Dionysus
after skimming the 340+ comments in this post Gordon thread… I agree wtih a lot of points you are making( even though most people arent).
1- I thought the idea that everyone on the roster when Derrick was drafted would be gone by the time the Bulls start competing for chance to go to finals was common knowledge. Now it looks like Noah played himself onto that team but everyone else is expendable.
2- Joe Johnson would be a fine " consolation prize" if free agency goes the way I think it may. I think he’d be a better fit than Wade because Wade and Derrick wouldnt work together. Johnson is more of a spot up 2 guard who doesnt need the ball in his hand 70% of the offense. Plus Johnson can post up a little and remember that the post presence the Bulls need so bad could be a 2 ( MJ, Kobe).
by Jscho316 on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, really?
Johnson is more of a spot up 2 guard who doesnt need the ball in his hand 70% of the offense.
Joe Johnson creates his own shot off the dribble. Within this set he’s also creating for his teammates when the doubles and the help comes over.
He is certainly not a spot up SG.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 2, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is old
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by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This 2010 thing better work
or Reinsdork is gonna look like a jackass. The managment must have gotten a promise from Wade and Bosh the way they are acting.
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by illwill on Jul 1, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it will not work
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by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen this movie before...it always ends the same way
There is no “2010” plan, other than to make a max offer to a FA (I guess Bosh). Lots of other teams with more resources, attractiveness, and the same desire will be competing for these guys. Which is why some good proactive team will get Bosh and sign him before 2010 happens. And Wade is no backup plan, as he is not leaving Miami. Other teams that lose out on the top guys will outbid the Bulls for second tier guys like Johnson (the Bulls aren’t going to the wall for anyone that isn’t a perfect fit).
That’s how you end up signing Ron Mercer.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in any case, we could have kept Gordon and still had max money next year
You know, on the off chance that the superstar coming here would have actually wanted to play for the best possible team.
by Sports2 on Jul 2, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
You are saying that now we will have even more money and the superstars will be more inclined to sign here because we have a better, more balanced team…we just need a stud scorer…a role that these superstars are usually looking to fill…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 2, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talent can coexist.
The Lakers happened after all.
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, as you well know, but pretend to ask
Superstars in the NBA can only be paid up to a certain point, the maximum allowable contract. Hence, we can’t offer them more money.
Thus, we can only offer them a better team to play with, in addition to the price ceiling amount of salary. And since generally speaking, players don’t actually like being the only guy who can score on a team, we’ve just made ourselves less attractive, and less potentially balanced.
Having two or three good scorers is more balanced than having one.
Having zero, I suppose, is balanced in the technical sense of the word, but pretty inferior.
by Sports2 on Jul 2, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose is a good scorer
so are Salmons and Deng (when healthy). Hinrich is an average scorer. Noah has shown he can take advantage of scoring opportunities down low (although he cannot create his own shot).
It’s not like it’s a team made up of Dennis Rodman, Ben Wallace and Tyson Chandler.
by kozzer on Jul 2, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We just subtracted the player that drew the most double teams
I doubt Deng and Salmons combined will draw as many double teams as Ben Gordon has in a single season.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jul 2, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats right.
Reinsdorks ass is on the line now!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 1, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sell the team, cheap owner, sell the team
Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens
by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody agreeing that Gar Forman looks like that cartoon dog
that SAD cartoon dog, i couldn’t remember the name
Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens
by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens
by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate gar forman with all of my heart
Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens
by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel a bit bad for Gar
this was likely way over his head, and he has to be the one who faces the public because the last guy hated it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its jerrys fault
I don’t even think he participated in the draft process either.
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 2, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens
by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Please don't take my shooting guard...he's the only one I have left."
Said in droopy dog voice….
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
signing ben gordon is a priority allright
Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens
by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 1, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gar is off to a rough start here...
First a lame duck draft and now this. Ouch.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
outside of Rubio, Griffin and Curry
The whole draft class was a lame duck
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then trade them away to make some more cap room for BG
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They tried to trade the picks
Or at least said they tried. But no one wants these crappy rookies on their team.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get off the ledge people
Fish is much cheaper. I know he’s not as good as BG but you got Luol coming back.
Laugh now, cry later.
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Fish is much cheaper"
oh thank god!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, let's all forget about the fact
that Salmons is about half as productive at the SG position as compared to SF. Look how his numbers skyrocketed after Luol got hurt. So, by losing BG and getting Deng back we’re also going to be losing production from Salmons. Fantastic.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we really contending next year with BG?
Really now?
C’mon
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the year after that...or the year after that.
He was not a good fit with Rose. I don’t know why people are in denial about this…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 2, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose was ROY right?
So why wasn’t BG a good fit for him? Seriously I want to know.
by Dils on Jul 2, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because there is only one basketball and two guards cannot dominate one basketball.
If Gordon was a shooter only, in the mode of Rip Hamilton or Reggie Miller then keeping him is a no brainer, but Gordon loves to have the ball in his hands and create shots.
If Hinrich was the PG no problem, but not with Rose, who is a real PG, through whom you run an offense thru.
by Bart71 on Jul 2, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salmons will be the same way.
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Salmons is the same...
Bg had the ball in his hands because nobody else had the literal Balls to take and make shots. Should they had ran BG off more screens? Sure. That’s not BG’s fault. Watch what Detroit does with this guy. BG is going to replace Rip Hamilton because he’s going to be used the same way. Just like Ray Allen is in Boston. Everybod has such a little man complex when it comes to BG and it’s just tiring. If the guy wasn’t used right it’s not his fault. Nobody worries about Hamilton or Ray Allen’s defense, they worry about offensive production. We just lost one of the league’s best at that for nothing. SMH
by Dils on Jul 2, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then with Salmons it will be the exact. same. thing.
Or is everyone forgetting John Salmons passed the ball even less then Gordon
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like folks to go back and look at last year's Kings
1- Udrih
2- KMart
3- Salmons
4- Thompson
5- Miller
KMart ~ Deng
Noah > Thompson
Rose > Udrih
For sure, we’re a better team. But it’s not like we’re outlandishly different either. Basically there but for the grace of Derrick Rose go we.
And we were damn lucky to get Derrick Rose.
by Sports2 on Jul 2, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he was starting and there was one less player to share the ball with
Salmons will be the same now that BG is gone. He would’ve been worse coming off the bench. Not that it makes it OK to let BG go. But I don’t think this makes Salmons worse. For that logic to make sense, the Bulls would have to run an actual offense where people have set positions. Instead of everyone just running around hoping that someone gets open.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a year.
Then Rose will have to get used to a third SG in his short career.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Great post.
I think this changed my mind. I was against signing BG before, but this completely makes sense. Why do I feel so depressed?
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
by ScottieG33 on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
managerial fiasco, but hardly a basketball tragedy
you are correct in your condemnation of Reinsdorf for his mistreatment of fans, and your indictment of management for mishandling Ben’s situation over and over again. it’s a travesty, and a reason for pessimism in the foreseeable future.
that said, Bulls may not be worse off without Ben next year. they will be a much different team without him – bigger, with Rose playing a bigger role and learning to become a closer. oh, and vinny still fucking up everything in sight. may be they will win 5 fewer games, may be not. overall, i am not certain that losing a nice talent that is Ben is going to hurt them on the floor THAT much…
by bob horse on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who thinks this sets the wheels in motion for some grand change is delusional
I don’t even care about losing Ben, it was pretty much a formality he was going to go.
This just highlights why the Bulls cannot become a title contender unless almost everything goes perfectly. They don’t care about taking risks, they don’t pay for players who aren’t “good guys”, they value a false sense of team loyalty over legit on-court production. The owner is constantly meddling in affairs of player personnel and coaching matters when he should be trusting what the front office staffers believe, since you know HE FUCKING HIRED THEM.
Fuck Jerry Reinsdorf.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
the only way the Bulls win a title is have the GOAT fall into their laps..
and then it takes them seven years to figure out how to get players around him.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
The only Bulls gear I have is the green Ben Gordon adidas shirt. My GF sleeps in it too. Ehhhh great.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
People are going to read into that.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Gordon love is weird
A year ago, the big offseason Gordon post was Scotter’s “Gordon is better than Hinrich”. As in, we needed a post to convince ourselves that Gordon was better than Kirk “career 41.5 FG%” Hinrich.
Now Gordon leaves and everyone’s throwing in their Bulls towel. What?
We didn’t lose Ben Gordon, Bulls Savior, we lost a zero-time all-star who doesn’t play defense or rebound or pass, and might actually not be as good as Kirk Hinrich (whose salary looks pretty good right now). We’re fine without Gordon, maybe better going forward.
by YaoPau on Jul 1, 2009 11:55 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
yeah, you can take that over to bulls.com
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 2, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
they don’t even have the fact that Gordon left on the official website
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 2, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Smith wrote a blog about it
it’s linked on bulls.com
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 2, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh gotcha
but its not on the main headlines, it’s just a sidenote
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 2, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least someone will sleep well tonight.
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will rec this post when Kirk Hinrich gets traded for Blake and Outlaw
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Rudy if we trade with the Blazers
Homecoming
by illwill on Jul 2, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So would I, but I'm being realistic
Especially if Portland signs Hedo.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy wants to leave if Portland signs Hedo
Maybe we will have a chance to get him
by bull83 on Jul 2, 2009 6:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing i will miss about ben gordon
will be his ability to score the ball in the most pressured situations, that is truly hard to replace. That “game closing” ability. In terms of the rest of his scoring, it will be hard to get to get his 20+ points per game from somewhere else, but its not impossible at all. I really think the bulls are gonna be just as good as they were this year, next year….but its all a gut feeling more than anything….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 2, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how are we going to replace his scoring and clutchness?
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 2, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players who don't shoot as well
will take those shots. Less will go in but eventually, if they shoot enough, something might go in. You just have to remember Kirk misses wide open threes and can’t make a layup. Deng can’t shoot the three and might still be slowed down by injury. Salmons has all of the traits of BG people say they don’t like and will be slower as a SG…yet he is going to be awesome or something. Rose will be good but will have to fight through more double teams. Hopefully he won’t be so much like Wade that he gets hurt because he’ll have to put the team on his back by himself all the time. Tyrus, well, will he be on the team? Noah is good near the basket but has no outside shot. There are a couple rookies that might be ok or might be like Cedric Simmons. But it will work I am told.
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
i already said his clutchness would be hard to be replace….his scoring lets see, deng i am sure will step up his game because i have a few games from this season early in the year and i have the miami series downloaded when we killed them, and deng reminded me of what i liked about his game and that maybe it really was the injury that kept him out of games. Salmons i think can score, and i especially think his ability to finish at the rim is greater than gordons, so i can see him getting a few and 1 plays. I think rose is smart enough to get it, “my teams best scorer is gone, i gotta step my game up or else we are screwed” so im expecting rose to do things that leave my jaw on the floor. I dont know if kirk will stay, but if he does, i expect him to do nothing but work on shooting. This season i felt that kirk worked on being a pg and i noticed the change in his game in that regard, but i think this year he will understand that he is going to be needed more for his defense and ability to shoot the 3 than anything. Hopefully the bulls trade to the blazers, if we get rudy thats awesome and thats a hellava lot of points, if not we still have blake who is a decent 3 pt shooter, plus probably outlaw….
Noah and tyrus should also produce a bit more….also consider that (although im not a whiz with stats here) gordon had an essentially negative effect on the team scoring, meaning his drtg and his ortg canceled each other out, he gave up the points he scored. We should have more players scoring wihtout giving up the same ammount of points this year, so theres that
Again the only thing we wont have is probably the clutchness gordon gave this team….as for the double team that gordon forced on himself, i dont thin those double teams really did much but keep the bulls main offensive weopen (gordon) out of track. teams really will have to figure out how defend the bulls who will now be relying more on balanced scoring to win games….
I think yfbb is looking more at the future of what the bulls could be with gordon (win now, and win later not just win later) but that now isnt this year at any rate, and i see the bulls having the same production this year as they were going to with or without ben….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 2, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not just gordon love - it's management hate
i mostly agree with you on Gordon (although I do think he is better than Kirk).
Many folks are mostly upset with ineptitude of Paxon and cheapskate JR. Ben leaving is the closure of years of mishandling of his situation, worst of which was inability to trade him in a package for a real star after the sweep of Miami.
It is frustration with JR and Paxon and Gar and Vinny not going anywhere.
by bob horse on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree & I was wrong........I think I finally have a super reason to hate the bulls org. Bunch of yes men to JR. OK pulled the offer off the table after BG agreed. Have a chance to match Detroits offer. Nothing....thats what we got nothing dang
(deng) why not match and then do a trade. The raymond brothers got lots of interest a few mid level offers from contenders. IDIOTS
by Ibleedbullsred on Jul 2, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admit I don’t know enough about the rules for trading recently signed players, the cap, and other technicalities, etc.
The bottom line is that the Bulls missed opportunities to trade Deng and Gordon when their value was high, hugely overpaid for one, and let the other walk for nothing after facilitating an embarrassing 2-year-long melodrama. Other major missteps (signing Wallace, trading Aldridge for TT, firing Skiles and hiring Vinny) complete a depressing picture
by bob horse on Jul 2, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for some sanity YaoPau
This Gordon love is a joke. I’ll have a big laugh when he is run out of Detroit with one-dimensional play, not to mention he’s undersized at the two-guard position.
by SlamDunk on Jul 2, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You did finally remember he is short!
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Run out of Detroit
Not for 3-4 more years!!
by hlac on Jul 2, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich is a point guard.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wooo 2 BG Jerseys to put with all my other former Bulls player jerseys!
I’m now down to a Rose and Kirk jersey for current bulls.
Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen. - Gene Wojciechowski
by chibullsfan03 on Jul 2, 2009 12:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what kind of kirk jersey is it
Man ive been looking forever for the kirk jersey with the oldschool alternate bulls away jersey (black with the red pinstripes) or a St. Pattys Day kirk jersey (green’s my favorite color)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 2, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bigger question is
who would buy a kirk jersey?
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 2, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait till he is is in Portland
Homecoming
by illwill on Jul 2, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen a lot of 8 year old suburb boys wear them to games.
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
i would of course…i didnt know that was a big question of some sort…i should be on jeopardy or something in which case….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 2, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well as a season ticket holder, the Bulls sent us all white Kirk jersey's 2-yrs ago...
last year they sent us a championship replica banner, and this year a Rose jersey. So yeah, I guess I could have predicted who the Bulls would hold on to this summer…
by smash! on Jul 2, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a home red one
Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen. - Gene Wojciechowski
by chibullsfan03 on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...home red one
i meant “plain ole” red one
Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen. - Gene Wojciechowski
by chibullsfan03 on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh....
…..(yea thats all i got…)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 2, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I enjoyed a lovely day at the lake
And I somehow had a sense I was going to come home to this – I almost just went to bed to enjoy that relaxed feeling just a bit longer.
JR sucks. Congrats to Ben for winning his big gamble. It will be odd to see him in a different jersey, but I wish him the best until the season actually starts. I hope it works out better with a Ben going the opposite direction for his sake, but I’m not all that enamored of the Pistons team even with Ben on it.
I don’t think the Bulls will be as hideous next season as some others do, but I suppose we shall all see.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Jul 2, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I guess I need to start looking for a new sig. Damn it.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Jul 2, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too...
I have been thinking about another quote from your friendly bulls blogger…
So yeah, fuck you D2.0.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 2, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't play up your 'rebel' status
you’re not interesting enough to do so.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry about that whole thing
just unleashing my anger
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 2, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just afraid what this does to us in 2010
How many people are going to see this trade badly? A team that treats its best player as badly as this?
No one’s gonna sign with us.
Depending on how well 2010 turns out, I might just stop buying tickets altogether.
by Alighieri on Jul 2, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, that point's arguable
That prior to Rose. But he’s still the highest scorer for this team the last 4 years. That counts for something
by Alighieri on Jul 2, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's been better and more consistent?
Hinrich was hurt half this year and sucked worse than Gordon last year.
Deng’s been hurt.
Who else has been on the team the past 5 years?
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by tyger1147 on Jul 2, 2009 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Gordon has missed 12 games in 5 years.
Another reason to overpay. He has a track record of durability. 398 games in 5 years. That’s pretty good. Another reason? He doesn’t play international ball. Totally devoted to his contract.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 2, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he thinking of playing for the British team?
I thought I heard that somewhere. But you make good points in any case.
by kozzer on Jul 2, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i bet he will now since he's got a long term contract
he was going to last season but not if he hadn’t worked out a contract or had to play on the QO (since risk of injury)
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by Jaina on Jul 2, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the end
sadly i think money talks….but then again are the bulls even doing the right things to have enough money to talk or not….? I think matt said this and i agree, the front office should come out and announce some sort of plan…i mean give potential free agents and us fans (especially us fans but ESPECIALLY the free agents) some sort rope to hold on to so that this freakin team doesnt look so damn cluless….if you are losing ben gordon show some poise, unlike when d’antoni signed with new york and reinsdork came out and said “aww he cheated us, didnt even give us a chance”….act like you have a plan even if you dont….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 2, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how is everyone doing on this lovely evening?
"Gordon is a pretty good defender when he wants to be." - Andrew7
by gobulls1124 on Jul 2, 2009 12:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who flagged this?
"Gordon is a pretty good defender when he wants to be." - Andrew7
by gobulls1124 on Jul 2, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: How can you tell when you've been flagged?
Just for personal reference. >:[]
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by cranscape on Jul 2, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got a message that said "don't troll"
I just figured someone flagged me
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by gobulls1124 on Jul 2, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did!
double-shot!
clearly what you were doing there was trolling, no?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't tell
only I can see it. There are not a lot of flags here, believe it or not. Most just insult instead.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I was curious.
I figured someone would have something to say instead of hiding behind a SB Nation warning system.
"Gordon is a pretty good defender when he wants to be." - Andrew7
by gobulls1124 on Jul 2, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, not tough blog commenters like you
huh?
flagging works, I can’t read everything. and not everyone has a right to be here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you know me
Big tough guy
"Gordon is a pretty good defender when he wants to be." - Andrew7
by gobulls1124 on Jul 2, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, seriously,
how much money would each of us have to pitch in to buy this team?
I’m willing to let those college loans go for a while to get this done.